Well, here we are again – another domino has dropped in the unstoppable march towards corporate consolidation. This time, though, our team has won: Bungie, the legendary creator of Halo and Destiny, is a PlayStation Studio! Except it’s not, but it also kinda is. The industry is weird these days so you’re going to have to stick with us: perhaps the best comparison here is Mojang, which operates under the Xbox Game Studios framework, but remains a mostly independent entity in the ever-growing Microsoft machine, meaning Minecraft remains a fully multiformat franchise. Are you following?
This news comes just weeks after the Team in Green’s near-$70 billion buyout of Activision Blizzard – shots fired, we hear your scream. Except, again, not really – this deal has apparently been rumbling for around six months, and PlayStation boss Jim Ryan was able to sign the $3.6 billion cheque before rival Phil Spencer could arrive. That’s according to Games Beat scribe Jeff Grubb apparently, who hypothesises a bidding war may have occurred behind-the-scenes. We wouldn’t be surprised!
It’s a lot of money, isn’t it? We’re talking roughly half the fee Microsoft paid for the entirety of Bethesda, and that came with highly lucrative franchises like Fallout and The Elder Scrolls, as well as multiple critically acclaimed development studios like Arkane and MachineGames. Is this acquisition half as exciting? We suppose it depends how highly you rate the Destiny games, but we’re of the opinion that it’s not. That’s not to belittle the aforementioned sci-fi shooter, of course – it’s clearly an extremely popular franchise governed by a supremely talented studio.
But what’s in all of this for PlayStation fans? Honestly, it seems like there’s very little to be excited about on the surface; the studio will be installed adjacently to PlayStation Studios, and there’ll be collaboration between the companies, but Bungie will remain independent. It’s interesting that Sony has outright stated its stance: there’s none of the cloak-and-daggers that we’ve seen from Microsoft when it comes to its purchases. There’s not a “desire” to keep Destiny multiformat. No, the company will continue to make games for all platforms it chooses.
And so it raises the question: like, what’s the point? To be totally transparent, our initial reaction was that Sony may have pulled the trigger to prevent someone else from doing so – a defensive, shielding move if you like. At least if it owns Bungie it can guarantee that its games will continue to release on its platforms. But that seems ridiculous when you truly stop and think about it: $3.6 billion to stem the bleeding is absurd – preposterous, unthinkable even.
It’s clear that Sony is beginning to look beyond games when it comes to its intellectual property, and so its perhaps no surprise that there’s the vague hint at movies and television shows bubbling beneath the announcement materials; Bungie even describes itself as a global multimedia entertainment company in the PS Blog post. There’s also talk of shared learning on live service games, and while it may be nightmarish for some PlayStation fans to read, it’s clear that the tenure of Hermen Hulst as PlayStation Studios boss is going to come with a lot of multiplayer-focused titles.
But, among much fluff about collaboration and shared learning, we reckon this quote from the former Guerrilla Games managing director is telling: “I believe that Bungie joining the PlayStation family will increase the capabilities of PlayStation Studios, and of Bungie, and achieve our vision of expanding PlayStation to hundreds of millions of gamers. For game creators, that’s always our goal: to bring our vision to as many people as possible.”
On a day when MLB The Show 22 was announced for all modern consoles, and at a time when Sony is releasing its biggest franchises on PC – it feels like the manufacturer is delicately positioning itself for a world beyond dedicated hardware. The acquisition arms race is on, full-speed ahead, but perhaps we’ve had it wrong all along: this isn’t about selling you a PS5 or even a PS6. No, it strikes us that the company is looking to a future where the hardware is no longer a perceived noose around its collective neck, and its characters and franchises exist everywhere – regardless of console or, indeed, even entertainment medium.
What do you think of Sony’s decision to acquire Bungie? Are you excited by this move, or completely uninterested? What do you make of the consolidation that’s now very clearly occurring in the games industry? Reveal your Destiny in the comments section below.
Awesome, I see people complaining on an arms race being bad for gaming. Just like in real life, yes the Cold War was scary, but amazing things came out of it, we went to the moon. When Nintendo and Sega were in an arms race, there was no cross platform and many of the games were different for each console. But the games were great and the PlayStation came out of it. I’m sick of half assed games that come out that are broke as all hell, because a vocal few think we should all hold hands and share. Screw that I want amazing games and games that don’t take a decade to drop. The industry need a shake up, being passionate about Sony, Nintendo or Xbox is a great thing because passion is something this world is lacking. I don’t care about all this whining. Visionaries like Carmack, Romero, Kojima and Miyamoto weren’t worried about crunch, they did whatever they had to become the greatest and will always be remembered. The current group are pathetic and they know it so they do the poor me. Bungie makes amazing FPS and has amazing assets that Sony can now access. Send us back to the moon, to both Sony and Xbox. “ Your either first or your last” -Ricky Bobby
With that kind of money I wonder what other (better) studios could they buy...I mean Destiny 1 and 2 are mediocre, and they don't own Halo so it's a super weird buy from Sony imo...
Yes this is a good dev to make FPS games in case COD goes exclusive, but not much else..
I don't feel good about any of these acquisitions anymore. They're not an inherently good thing, and it makes me cringe seeing people posting their wishlist for Sony buyouts.
I don’t play Destiny, like I don’t play CoD… but what this does do is guarantee that moving forwards, all future bungie games will be playable on PlayStation (regardless of whether they’re still made available on Xbox). That may not have been the case if Sony had just ‘chilled’… and yet again Microsoft would’ve saw an opportunity to flex.
I don’t think Sony like this arms-race for one minute… but they would be fools to ignore it.
Bungie will be helping make the next Mario at this rate
@Quadalog You’re just outright ignoring the human cost of the Cold War. I hate to break Godwin’s Law but using that logic you could say Hitler was a good thing because of the advances in rocketry etc during World War Two. It’s just an incredibly cold and horrible take written by somebody who clearly suffered zero ill effects due to the Cold War.
(I don’t care about acquisitions really but I do think we’d be celebrating this more if we hadn’t spent the past 2 weeks slagging Microsoft off 😂)
Us trying to make sense of this is like looking through a keyhole to see what a house you want to buy looks like inside.
Buying Bungie at the very least ensures they retain a popular FPS title, because otherwise Bungie could've been bought by another company and be taken away from Playstation
If this quote from Jim Ryan doesn’t sum it all up for the future:
“I've been on record talking about increasing the size of the PlayStation community, and expanding beyond our historic console heartland.”
I have no idea how Bungie is worth that much or why Sony made this move other than the obvious of boosting revenue. Is Bungie really worth half of what all of Bethesda and their IP is worth??
Additional note: I'm sure Sony enjoys the optics of the news breaking with mentions and graphics of Halo. The uninformed masses probably think Sony bought Halo.
Yeah I agree, I don’t see players really feeling an impact from this for at least a good while.
@riceNpea speak for yourself, I have all the right answers.
@nessisonett I think he just chose a poor analogy. Pretty sure he's not trying to be offensive.
Seems to me sony bought bungie out of impulse to keep them out of Microsofts hands, as if Microsoft bought them then destiny 3 wouldn't be on playstation.
I kinda see Sony buying devs just to keep their games safe and to stay on playstation consoles. Pretty sad sony have to do that really
@kyleforrester87 ok. What's the bathroom like? Is there a bidet because they don't seem to be fashionable anymore but I want one.
@UltimateOtaku91 Yeah I agree. Sony spotted Bungie at the checkout and went “yeaaaah toss it in!”
This acquisition is as much about whatever game and tech Bungie is working on for the future than anything they've done in the past. Hermen Hulst specifically talks about the exciting technology that Bungie has. They clearly have their eye on using Bungie's online expertise in the backbone of their other MP games.
@riceNpea they make great kitty fountains
@UltimateOtaku91 I agree, it is sad that in all probably Sony do feel forced into moves like this. They (being Sony) certainly didn’t dictate this current situation though… it’s a classic case of cause and effect. The moment Microsoft bought Bethesda, this current course of action was set in stone.
From the perspective of someone who goes to PlayStation exclusively for single player stuff, this is just a giant waste of money. They could have taken that $3.6 billion and funded multiple classic IP titles from different excellent first and third party studios.
I understand the business mindset of why Sony did this, but it means nothing to me personally.
PlayStation doesn't want to exclusively develop for PlayStation anymore. They're delicately navigating a transition as the industry changes dramatically around them, and the landscape is going to look completely different in five to ten years.
@get2sammyb I hope this change is for the better. The industry could use some rearrangement in terms of priorities and quality output. Sony has always been pushing for quality and innovation, with them at the helm, I'd feel a little more confident when buying games.
@kyleforrester87 true. My old pussy loved a good soak in the bidet when she got dirty.
I miss that cat.
They've bought a studio who haven't made a decent game in twelve years for how many billion?
Maybe they can sort out Destiny. It has a good player base but its inaccessible for new comers and has a reputation of squeezing every penny out of you, even among its most loyal players. It just deleted a lot of its best content and a vast amount of story and lore, so new players have little in game context to a lot of content.
I think a trade should be done. Bungie would fit into the mediocre developers of Microsofts Game Studios, Activisions fits much better in the Playstation Family. This is a weird world right now.
@riceNpea I’d agree until they edited the comment to pull the old ‘complaining about poor working conditions = pathetic’ card. Think they just lack an empathetic bone in their body. A true capitalist, end justifies the means.
I think this leaves D2 as a multiplat title... even the eventual D3 could stay that way. Factor in TV/movie potential AND Bungiev resurrecting an IP like Resistance exclusively and I think you have a winning formula. All conjecture at this point but that's what I would do if I were Sony
@jrt87 if it makes it easier for you, in Iranian Rials the value of the acquisition is 151,989,840,000,000.00 IR. Glad to help.
@nessisonett oh it's been edited. Fair enough. 👍 Shame he didn't edit the spelling in the final quote too.
Don’t get me wrong there will consoles for a good while yet, especially for the top end gaming experience will all the bells and whistles.
But the future way ahead will be software only streamed with the full top end experience and these companies need to establish themselves when they just sell software and a controller one day.
I am just pleased we have three major players not just competing with each other but giving us amazing games year after year.
But I for myself will keep cool and won't change my mind so easily like so many fools right now. Sony will strike, I don't intend buying a Series X. And by the way, the current Gen is still in its early steps, it's so stupid saying stuff like "XBox has won this Generation".
Let's all just wait for Sonys answer of Microsofts Gamepass and another AAA games who kills XBox.
@nessisonett what does hitler, nice name drop, having anything to do with the Cold War. He was dead. And yes rockets took us to the moon and made the microchip. Vietnam yes, but that was a proxy war. You wouldn’t have your iPhones, PS, Netflix or pretty much anything if it wasn’t for the Cold War and the urgency that technology needed to be developed. There might not be a tomorrow so you better do all you can today. I did nuke drills in school for 10 years, I know what the USSR was and when I see you talk, you’d make a great comrade to the red army
I am not bothered cause i am not an FPS fan, but this is a move to secure an alternative to Call of Duty when that goes Xbox only in a few years. By that i mean a new IP with a proven developer.
Also, it's leverage. Microsoft plays nice, Playstation plays nice and everyone is happy.
Kinda funny how they went from making games for Microsoft and now they’re going to operate under Sony now. I didn’t like the original Destiny but I heard the sequel was a lot better, and given its free-to-play, maybe I’ll give a go sometime soon. It would be cool if they had Bungie work on the next Killzone or another PlayStaion property. If all this amounts to is Destiny 3 being a PlayStation exclusive… then that doesn’t really do anything for me lol.
Tsk feels like Bethesda should have sold at $30B right now.
@Quadalog we wouldn't have fire if humans didn't rub sticks together and we'd never have progressed. How far back do you want to go?
@Quadalog ….you didn’t read what I wrote, did you? Human suffering as the cost of ‘progress’ might be Ayn Rand’s wet dream but it’s at the expense of the masses. Hitler has to do with the Cold War because that was another case of technological progress directly being connected to a time of human suffering, your exact point. It’s just callous nonsense that comes from the exact same place as people who defend colonisation by saying the invading forces brought technological advancements. Time is linear, everything follows everything else therefore any attempt to say historical mass suffering is good because of ‘progress’ is a moot point. Battlestar Galactica was influenced by post-9/11 attitudes therefore probably wouldn’t exist without 9/11. Does that make 9/11 good? No, that’s an insane fallacy.
@riceNpea I think the microchip and rockets travel will do.
It feels like a weird acquisition like they wasted their money which could have been better spent elsewhere. But I think it's good to allow the games remain multiplatform. It would mean Sony gained a good studio that knows how to make some great shooters that have better chances of reaching CoD numbers. And it means easy money rolling in without worrying about MS snatching them away.
I think it will be very good for TV series and movies too and those new fans might take an interest in the games. Maybe even bring old fans back. I've never played World of Warcraft before but I've been tempted to after watching the Warcraft movie. So maybe the TV series and movies could have that same effect. No matter what we think about the game and the descisions they made, it's a very interesting universe with fascinating lore.
I hope MS allows Activision and Bethesda games that have always been on PlayStation to remain multiplatform too.
@riceNpea I’ve been essentially called a Commie. I’m taking that as a net win.
I personally think this was a waste of money! They could have gotten EA, Take Two who owns GTA or Capcom. Destiny no one cares about. GTA people care about. EA has so many great games it isn't funny. I was hoping they would get one of those but Bungie. Halo is okay but I didn't buy my old Xbox for Halo. I got it for gears of war. They will regret this waste of money. EA is still on the market, Capcom, etc. This is a dumb move. Extremely. Look at all of the Activision games and Bethesda games and then look at Bungie. Huge difference. Smh. Sony smoking something good. 👎👎
Hey Sony I made a FPS on Dreams. I can be purchased for £250,000 if you want?
Sony paid $3.6 billion for one studio that owns one IP.
Microsoft paid $7.5 billion for 8 studios with 11 IPs.
Either Sony got ripped off or Microsoft got one hell of a deal.
@UltimateOtaku91 Kind alike what Sony is doing with Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, etc.?
I don't get the negativity.. this seems like a good business move, and for every Returnal funded you need a Bungie with Destiny money machine to provide.
For people asking how come this acquisition cost half of Bethesda.. it's about profit, not just old IP-s. I believe Destiny 2 makes 1/6 of paid price yearly.. that's a sound investment given their successful track record.
@nessisonett You've been warned I am coming over with a fire extinguisher to put that fire out behind you then cutting off that ridiculous Kramer Afro!🤫👀😂
@nessisonett I thought he was being clumsy with his analogy. I was wrong, you were right. I always like to give people the benefit of the doubt but he's not appreciating the gravity of his comment.
I can understand the core sentiment, that humanity throughout history has made the most progress during times of war and hostility when finance, industrial productivity and science becomes focussed towards a single goal, that's inevitable, but like you said it doesn't mean it's a preferential route for society to take to expedite advancements, and it's certainly not the only way it can be achieved with the same results.
And another studio that has worked closely with sony since 2013, Destiny was unveiled first at the Playstation 4 announcement event, maybe a marketing tie-in at first.
This seems to fill a gap in there knowledge with FPS, plus they could organically grow another studio at Destiny for an exclusive or collaborations - Firesprite / Guerilla Games, VR knowlodge / AAA IP
What’s the point? A multiplayer FPS that will remain multi platform? I mean ok we’re losing overwatch and cod (prob) but we still got Fortnite’s. Dunno if they can make another halo
I'm not fond of these big acquisitions either or Sony starting to put their games on other platforms. I'm old school, exclusivity was clearly defined, if you wanted Halo, buy an Xbox. If you wanted Mario, buy Nintendo and if you wanted God of War buy PlayStation. But those walls are been chipped away and Sony are having to do what's right for them because what's the alternative? If everyone apart from Sony moves from traditional consoles then there going to get left behind fast and without the key investments to catch up.
It also seems true from what I've heard in recent months that Sony spent last year buying studios they've long partnered with but this year will get way more aggressive.
@riceNpea Anything online’s incredibly hard to tell tone, context etc. It usually does take a little bit of back and forth to truly ascertain what somebody really means by a comment!
The Sony that created the PlayStation that I’ve known for so many years is dead. Exclusives is what made them successful, and now, they are completely abandoning it.
I’ve already bought 2 PS5s. One for me, the other for my kids, so, money isn’t that big of an issue for me. What I’m getting at, is it really feels like Sony is trying to push me to PC. I’ve owned every single PlayStation system. Multiple actually, and the handhelds, but it really seems that by 2033 it will not be worth it overall to buy Sony hardware anymore. I guess I’ll be buying multiple PCs.
@Quadalog you know what invention was driven by necessity and was more important that microchips and rockets? The printing press. No wars required.
@nessisonett you would say that you commie 😆👍
The only thing I want to know is if this purchase is also cash only like MS' of Activision. If so, boys and girls, dudes and dudettes, money is soon going to take an inflationary nose dive and all these corps are doing is replacing it with assets before it's too late.
@TheDudeElDuderino that much has been obvious since Covid started. Fewer people using cash, places not even accepting it! I've started buying gold and making teeth out of it 😁
@OmegaStriver forget PCs. Stick to consoles and get xboxsX. Multiple.
@OmegaStriver Your comment is not factual. They have tons of exclusives. Bringing God of war and horizon zero dawn to PC doesn't mean they have abandoned the console. No Sony still is keeping 99 percent of their games on console or they would have done that years ago. Microsoft is going full PC. They are making it pointless to buy an Xbox which is why their sales are low.
Between Sony and Nintendo (and slightly MS, only through Halo) I don't like this direction of looking at video games as "multimedia IP properties" such that the point of the game is to manage the brand for merchandising and tie-ins. To think Pokemon would be the norm for the industry....
But this does feel more and more like we're inching into the end of console and exclusive closed systems, save for Nintendo. It could be a good thing, assuming that all of gaming doesn't get reduced to a morass of coop/competitive service games to goof around with friends in. Forget Xbox and Playstation, if it goes that way I think the Playstation fandom will have to reconvene into the Nintendo fandom before long! But, then, Kart, Smash, and Animal Faffing are their biggest draws. Even that's not safe from the insipid landscape of interacting with other humans!
Even though they won't be making any playstation exclusives for the very foreseeable future I'm still exited and as a big destiny fan this will give bungie the stable financial backing they need to fully turn destiny into what I know it can be.
Honestly this sounds like Bungie was way overpriced because MS was also bidding for it. Zenimax and everything that comes with that sounds like its worth more than twice of Destiny to me. Bungie has also had a lot of internal struggles lately so who knows how that will affect their future products.
In the end though, I just think FTC should apply antitrust laws and stop MS's purchase of both Zenimax and Activision, and thus declaring this whole acquisition spree dead in its tracks.
It's not something that will benefit gamers, except maybe the most braindead fanboys out there.
The end of Playstation games as we know it are in the near future under Ryan/Hulst. You'll be able to see soulless live service games as far as the eye can see.
@LiamCroft @get2sammyb Yall better be thinking about your careers outside of this in the next 5 to 10 years.
While I don't agree with these buyouts, this is probably the best case scenario if it does happen. Sony fund and profit, Bungie gets funded to make the games they want and everyone on every system compatible gets to play it. Really this kind of deal is better than pure exclusive.
If Sony can afford $3.5 Billion+ on purchasing Bungie, then they can sure as hell stop overcharging £70 for their first party games and stop trying to continuously charge £10 for a PS4-PS5 upgrade. My takeaway from all this is that Sony isn't the bleeding piggy bank they painted themselves to be, and I'm still not happy they're charging £70 as if it's the same as $70!
@OmegaStriver actually it's the opposite. Sony isn't moving new games into PC, they are moving their best hits after several years to PC. Traditional PC gamers are the target audience to expand PlayStation. I saw several reviews on Steam, where people tried GOW for the first time, loved it, and wanted a PS5 solely to play the sequel... Sounds like good marketing to me.
@Don_Corleone Its going to change. They bought a company today and intend to release all its games to multiplatform. Exclusives are dead in the long run. Sony is hellbent on copying the Xbox business plan.
@NomNom And I’ve saw many PC players that loved GoW and now want Sony to release more to PC, which, will, happen.
It doesn’t just mean “little”, it means virtually nothing. At the very least, nothing to those of us within the PlayStation ecosystem. It’s Sony blatantly saying that not only can you expect all their exclusives to come to PC, you can also expect them to come to Xbox and Nintendo, just the same way MLB: The Show is.
I mean, we’ve seen the escalation occur with Sony getting comfortable releasing games on PC to the point where merely one year after HZD’s PC port we had Hermen Hulst saying that he “values” the PC community. Sony is now opening up an avenue where they’re going to get comfortable releasing “exclusives” on their competitors’ platforms, something that even Microsoft isn’t ready to commit to yet. Because it’s more than clear now that Sony no longer sees any value whatsoever in their exclusive games. Or at the very least, they no longer see any reason to provide their existing users with any benefit to own their system.
Sony spent over $3 billion to NOT benefit PlayStation. What does that say about where we’re heading? What does that say about the future of the brand while Ryan and Hulst continue to crush it beneath their thumbs?
War tends to bring out both the best and worst traits of humanity simultaneously. It’s a weird dichotomy.
But you’re right. The Cold War was staggering from solely the cost to human lives. Korea killed 3 million. Vietnam almost four million. Nearly 750,000 dead during Afghanistan the First. 500,000 dead during the Iran-Iraq war. That’s not even including the blood shed across Africa during the fall of colonialism, most of which were Cold War related. Not including the suffering of Eastern Europe under the Soviet system.
People tend to overlook the losses of the Cold War simply because it came after humanity’s two greatest tragedies, the two world wars. But the Cold War was a tragedy in its own right, too.
@Perturbator Do you really think the FTC gives two sh*ts? They may raise a public storm or something to save face, but we all know Microsoft will funnel money to them under the table to ensure the deal goes through.
How do you think Disney has been able to buy Marvel, Star Wars, Fox, ect...?
This is a good move from Sony. They aren’t trying to buy new IPs. They have tons and have proven that they are good at creating new IPs with their first party studios. Sony is focused on buying massive talent, tech and expertise. Bungie has learned a crazy amount about running live service games and their sharing of service-based models and tech is a big boost for Sony that’ll help them recoup the costs of the purchase and then some within the next 5 years. More money coming in means Sony can keep funding big narrative driven games too. And bungie has better backing and access to Sony’s talent pool.
Very experienced studio in MP & Live service games. Sony is mostly king in SP & MS in MP imo.
And this isn't an answer to ActBliz because this takes a lot of negotiation and Bungie was looking for a buyer/sponsor. As long it's Sony, MS or Nintendo who's buying instead of Embracer, Tencent, Facebook/Meta, Amazon,...
@Don_Corleone not really. ea is worth $40b and take two is worth $20b. those are off the table for sony. that said, sony could have grabbed sega for the same price as bungie, or capcom or s-e for slightly more (about $5b). in terms of IP, sony made a terrible decision here when you look at comparable publishers that are potentially available on the market. i mean, we could never get another destiny game again and nobody would care. but final fantasy, dragon quest, tomb raider, deus ex, devil may cry, street fighter, mega man, resident evil, yakuza, sonic the hedgehog, persona, panzer dragoon, shining force, phantasy star, valkyria chronicles, etc... those are franchises that are beloved across the globe and made an impact on the industry in ways that bungie could only dream of. sony needs to make a good move or someone else will. i truly hope it isn't tencent
Agreed. Even though I am a staunch Playstation fan and supporter, I do not support all this consolidation going on with publishers and developers being bought left and right. It benefits nobody. Developers lose their independence and customers lose their options to support whichever platform they want as third-party games become exclusive. At least Destiny will continue to be multiplat unlike what MS did with Starfield. However, I do understand why Sony needs to do it. Microsoft started it by buying two huge publishers and now it is a fight for survival for Sony. They need to secure talented devs and franchises so that they can stop their customers from leaving Playstation as Microsoft continues to steal one franchise after another.
If Destiny was better it would mean more, but the worlds are so bland and there's very little loot. Maybe they can try an Oni sequel or something.
@LiamCroft So Sony should just stand there like a punching bag while MS continues to rip away the biggest names in gaming? They ripped away two of the largest “publishers” in gaming. Names like Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Doom, Dishonored, Rage, Prey, Call of Duty, Overwatch, and Diablo. Most of these will be exclusive, if they haven’t already been confirmed. Sony just bought ONE “dev”. Microsoft isn’t stopping here. All I read (including on parts of this site) is how great the Zenimax and Activision buyouts are. Sony buys one “dev” and suddenly consolidation is bad. Where was that sentiment, especially in the media, when MS subtracted all those games from PlayStation. Maybe you’re content to watch all your content go to a competitor. But if Sony can’t retaliate, I’ll just join team green. And I won’t be the only one. Very poor take on this from a PS mod.
I think this acquisition is all about securing some FPS talent. They are not interested in making Destiny exclusive. This way they at least have an experienced team that knows about developing first-person shooters and they can give Playstation a new FPS IP.
@OneWingedAngel It benefits the companies being picked up, as it gives them at least some temporary stability as they don't have to worry about making payroll. Long term, they'll find they're at the mercy of their new masters, and if Microsoft decides to downsize or consolidate studios, then the studios no longer have control over their own destiny.
Which is why Bungie wanted to guarantee control over their own Destiny. Ba-da-boom. Thanks, I'll be here all week.
There is nothing wrong with what you said. Fully agreed.
I have zero interest in Bungie or any of their games.
@AFCC Destiny 2 is not mediocre. That's a laughable opinion. People sure do love to abuse that word to describe things they haven't played.
Destiny 2 is highly addictive. Bungie know how to make a good but buggy game. They're definitely at the top when it comes to gunplay. I would hope the buyout leads to the company getting a boost in resources which reduces the bugs.
@get2sammyb I think that could change. This all started when Jim Ryan came into power, and frankly, nothing says it'll keep happening when the next person happens. Exclusives could be exclusive again.
And honestly, I think is also a move to help Sony keep games on it. If MS wants to keep COD off after the contract is off, Sony can threaten them with bungie and Destiny.
I wish we didn't need these buyouts, but I think it sadly can't be stopped since MS made some toxic purchases.
The only thing that this acquisition means is that they're not gonna stop buying studios.
I wonder where does it end?
Are all of the gaming studios gonna be divided between Sony and Microsoft in a few years? 'Cause that sounds bad.
"This time, though, our team has won!"
That's a very cringeworthy, console wars-esque way of putting it.
So Sony finally makes a bold move and you guys don't like it again? Smh, we gamers are a hard bunch to please.
@LiamCroft surely as a gamer you must be excited at the idea of an insomniac developed resident evil or a dragons dogma,or even maybe a naughty dog mgs?
My worry is that both platforms are gonna buy so many studios and ips they won't know what to do with them,which looking at microsofts thats what's gonna happen,we are either never gonna hear from half of them or they are just gonna produce gamepass fodder year on year.
@nessisonett so i'm at work..the radio is on..99 red balloons starts playing and i instantly thought of you my little commie friend..of topic i know but...🤣
@get2sammyb Something has been on my mind since yesterday Sammy. Sony for a long time have slowly grew studios from mid tier into full on AAA ones as well as buying studios they've had a relationship with for a long time. With that in mind do you think Sony's long term plan with Bungie is to turn them into a big publisher? Sony realistically can't get into a bidding war with MS, Tencent etc so maybe they want to expand Bungie into a major publisher of games that they have expertise in.
I was very interested by this quote from Hermen Hulst (head of PS studios) "Bungie makes games with outstanding technology that are enormously fun to play. They also have unmatched dedication to the communities that play their games, and everyone at PlayStation, and PlayStation Studios, will be excited about what we can share and learn from them." . Destiny 2 has one of the best combat loops of any current FPS game, imagine if that tech could be shared out to other Playstation Studios, for example for a new Killzone Game.
@LiamCroft This news is far from depressing, it's the opposite. This has been a game-changer. Now Sony has adapted the model and companies like Sega can be saved from Microsoft's clutches and can be preserved as multiplatform publishers. This move also signals that Sony might be able to buy enough studios to maintain the model of paying for games we like verses the subscription model Microsoft is trying to push on us. Maybe Sony could even do deals with Microsoft to keep Zenimax and Activision games multiplatform in return for Sony acquisitions being kept multiplatform.
@MaccaMUFC Or maybe you don't understand how business works? Microsoft needed IP, they got a lot of them in their very expensive deals. Sony needed multiplayer and game as service expertise and they bought a studio that has that. It came along with 2 IP (Destiny and the Bungie game that is currently being developed). Sony buying Bungie is a very good move, the only thing to debate is whether the price was good.
@NomNom Sony should not be encouraging PC players to get a PS5 while I still can't get hold of one!
@vapidwolf1 Microsoft really do seem to be taking a scattergun approach in that they just want a lot of random content. They are also taking on a lot of studios that have terrible structural problems and will struggle to manage everything.
I wouldn't be suprised if the smaller dev teams get swallowed up by others ,maybe rebrand them all as just xbox studios.
What a waste of $3.6 billion. Could've bought two Mo Salah's for that.
To be honest a lot of people were moaning about Sony lacking FPS and there you go. They will give their expertise to many games like the one from Deviation or from Guerrila.
I’m not interested in FPS and I’d rather they secure From Soft games for instance but you got to be honest here and not claim you didn’t ask for it didn’t you Mr Push?
Oh I see it’s doom and gloom time again on Push who was claiming Sony can’t do anything last week.
Dam if you do dam if you don’t.
I’m out of here hiding in a bush then haha
Your right but it’s no surprise. Push can be very short sighted and there were rumours Ms was trying to buy Bungie back.
So with every line of hardware from Sony struggling (digital cameras, cell phones, TVs, etc.) except the PlayStation consoles, which is thriving, Sony strategy is spend billions setting up a future where consoles will be irrelevant? Are you serious?
Sony can go to a thousand places. Want to make series or movies with their franchises? Fine, go to town. If it is good, people will watch. But setting up a future where this will all go without the PlayStation console is like a person that sells his house to go travel. I am sorry to say that, but this is what people that just discover that don't have much more time to live do.
No other piece of technology have proven to be as resilient as the video game console (boxes). It existed before I was alive and it is still going strong and stronger as the times passes. There are no lack of attempts to put out options to gaming without console and they all failed. If Bungie acquisition have anything to do with that, whoever made that move, digged the first hole in what will become Sony's grave.
@vict0RGM uhmm yeah ok..
I've played the first destiny ( bought the limited edition white destiny edition ps4) and i really enjoyed it..i always thought that was the way halo should have gone but i only ever played destiny 2 when it was given away free so my question is this..is destiny 2 worth buying with the expansions because i'm gathering that the campaign was absent from the f2p version..is this right and should i purchase it?
Well I think it doesn’t have to be extreme either way and compromise is often a good way to go.
I mean they certainly are opening to multiplatform and I think Bungie is what they mean in the way they mentioned it. They can still have some games show casing the PS5 power and not available elsewhere.
That what’s I think they are still going for and it doesn’t have to be extreme one way or another.
Well I hope so because they shouldn’t play into Ms agenda which has been, I believe for years, trying to make console gaming irrelevant to grab PC gaming leadership facing only fewer but bigger competition.
It does not do anything for Sony owners, it does however negate the argument that Sony makes acquisitions to make exclusives, and makes that Microsoft's schtick. It also negates the idea that Sony relies on organic growth.
What this article fails to see are a few things. Yes MS bought a lot of ip's as it needs them due to a lack of creativity. PlayStation has a ton of ip that is not used an is developing a ton of new ip (half of the games they are making now is new ip). So PlayStation doesn't need that. Remember that an ip is as good or bad as the people who are making it. Look at Disney, muppets and Star Wars where great ip's but now are almost dead in the water.
What PS needs is to diversify it's portfolio and a shooter and a game as a service is missing. Bungie showed they are the best at both and PS can learn a lot from them while raking in money from the successful studio. Above that Bungie is a 900+ people studio, that is huge, they are about to open a new studio in Amsterdam and are making a new game that could be exclusive or not.
On the other hand MS bought studio's that have a ton of problems and don't do well. Their ip's (for a large part) isn't doing great and a lot of key players have left those companies and more and more of them are working with PlayStation (like former Cod developers that now formed Deviation Studio's).
So what this acquisition lacks in quantity of ip it makes up for it in quality and that is what PS is striving for. In that respect it's a huge win for PlayStation customers.
@LiamCroft i agree... i dont like to see MS and Sony buying out gaming. not good. it'll fragment gaming. im not buying 2 or 3 consoles. no time to play ALL of the games. also, i dont like MS at all, i quit using windows and xbox years ago. not another dime from me. gamers cheering this on shows how immature gamers still are, how they arent aware of the bigger picture or implications of buyouts down the road. im sure most of the ones cheering are under 35.
as for my own opinion....... i dont care for bungie. they've made woke statements kinda recently and i dont like them as a company nor am i a fan of halo. destiny was OK for literally a few weeks and then i was over it. to me, this was a pointless buyout. i was against MS buying out bethesda and activision... and im against sony now buying out devs.
@JohntheRaptor I played Destiny 2. A few weeks of multiplayer, and complete the main story. Decent, but the bullet sponges and lack of variety in missions are pretty mediocre imo, but hey that's my opinion
This console war thing is kind of annoying
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