CDPR released the below statement that suggests they were involved in discussions with Sony that lead to the decision. Whether this is the result they asked for is another matter since they still talk about being able to buy physics versions!
No crashes for me but encountered a few bugs. Managed to break below the game world with a slam attack.. swinging around below NYC! (fixed with fast travel). Bigger one was exiting a mission replay and being stuck as Miles! Couldn’t find a fix but luckily it was time to move on to start NG+
@Cornaboyzzz almost bought Surge 2 in the year end sale this morning as it is super cheap, plus been thinking about picking up the HZD expansion! Paid £35 for a 1 year sub back in June. Value has been excellent in my opinion.
@LiamCroft HZD complete edition was added today on PS Now in UK. Just checked. They also added Stranded Deep and The Surge 2 as well as the others mentioned. A great month.
Yes. This is not news. You can transfer all PS4 saves to use on PS5 for backwards compatibility. CD Project Red are just restating existing Sony guidance on how to do it.
Received and setup. It’s a big boy! Definitely intended vertical. Don’t love it horizontal (exposed base it not the most attractive) but don’t have a choice so will have to get used to. Loving the 4K HDR UI and Astro. Controller is amazing.
Hopefully this will be patched soon. Just hit the arbitrary 1000 save item limit on online saves (still have 95gb space remaining😂) if everything goes on line this needs sorting out ASAP
@TheFrenchiestFry did they buy the rights to Spider-Man 2 after Spider-Man 1 has been a successful multi platform hit? No. They did a deal with Marvel to make an PS exclusive game based on a Marvel character and Insomniac picked Spider-Man. The last standalone Spider-Man game was back in 2012. It was not an active franchise.
The issue is not exclusives. Every platform holder should definitely focus on creating new IP from their studios. What annoys people is acquiring existing IP & pipeline (that you might be invested in / excited for), putting a wall around it, then saying you are pro consumer.
Played Vampyr from Now and really liked it so would encourage people to give it a go and dig into the side stories. Given the type of game I thought the combat was ok, esp when combining different abilities together, though even on a passive run you become totally OP by end of game.
If it's true and is noticeable then I would probably upgrade at that point. Though since I won't have a 4K tv for a while I would also like more system level controls for performance e.g. downsampling to 1080p if not supported by the game or the option to activate "base" mode for any game with pro performance issues.
Underwhelming for me personally. But what is it with Asia PS Plus though? They get LBP3 + Until Dawn + GoW3 Remastered?! Is it with the smaller sub base it doesn't cost them as much to do? Or the games just aren't selling in the region so it costs less for Sony to do a deal?
Been trying to get through my backlog recently so have been lagging behind by at lest six months on the bigger games recently. Whilst they are cheaper to pickup the one thing I have felt is that you miss out on is being part of the conversation when they are released... esp the case where it is something I am interested in and try to blank out all possible spoiler discussion until I have actually played it. Playing something like Bloodborne or Uncharted in the release window feels intrinsically more exciting even if changes nothing about the actual gameplay itself.
Mmm... Titan Souls is showing as a £11.99 charge when I go to check out so be careful not to click through the whole basket without checking as I nearly did.
@NathanUC mmm... the only issue I had was carriage driving in the ripper dlc that destroyed the fps and made those sections virtually unplayable... otherwise had very few issues in the base game and I think only 2 or 3 crashes. if you are a fan of the franchise I would encourage you to give it a go as it can be had pretty cheap now ($15 on psn I think)
@mantralux the xbone s has a slightly higher clock speed that is permanently enabled and has been shown to result in higher or more stable fps for many games. Perhaps the clock speed difference is not enough to break games but you would think we would have heard if it was causing issues by now.
@get2sammyb i get the 4K argument but I think one of the issues highlighted by DF that people are unhappy about is that running at 1080p the Pro is dropping frames vs base due to supersampling. In those instances one option would be to let the user run the game in base mode which is what happens when a non-pro game is played anyway. This could be enabled at a system level as an option and would mean that the Pro could never perform worse than base at 1080p.
@electrolite77 wonder if Sony could release a firmware patch to allow that setting at a system level. I don't see how a slightly higher clock speed would break existing games if that is what they are worried about but at least give people the choice.
@get2sammyb not at all but I personally find it a distraction from the art direction if the image looks less than clean shall we say.
For a game in development for nearly 10 years (now 3yrs into PS4 life cycle) and receiving a full priced retail release I would love it to look like a 2016 game. I would have less issue if it was priced in line with gravity rush, nathan drake collection etc. It may well be that in action the game is a spellbinding experience which is why I asked the question.
Sorry but it looks all bit low res and muddy with limited draw distance and some bad textures. Maybe in action it looks better but to me it looks like a remaster of a PS3 game... which I guess it is to be fair.
@Chris0160 be careful though as I don't think this, and other cheaper 4K panels, are HDR capable and that is as big, if not biggger, than the resolution jump. Also need to be aware of input lag esp with HDR enabled. It's a bit of a minefield until it becomes more standardised.
@Vorlon not seen anything official but Amazon are selling with Dishonored 2 for £370. Was really hoping for a Tomb Raider bundle esp since the game seems to be a great advert for enhancements at 4K and 1080p.
@ravzir as you say download speed is due to Sony throttling psn on the server side to manage capacity / demand so no unfortunately it won't improve until Sony decides to invest more in the psn infrastructure.
@PoisonDwarf I could be wrong but I don't think you can just swap in an HDD from one PS4 to another (pro or otherwise). It will force a re-format. You can only swap in/out with the same PS4. If you still have the existing PS4 best option is to transfer to the Pro via Ethernet connnection. I bought an SSD and am waiting to get the Pro before formatting and copying across.
@get2sammyb great detailed review! one thing I was wondering about is motion sickness. There are some reviews out there saying it is a big problem on PSVR even with seated games like Driveclub VR. Did you find this? Does it vary massively person to person?
@AhabSpampurse I am curious to know if you have tried VR wearing no glasses? Surely the screen is so close you don't need to wear them unless you are long sighted?
989% week-on-week sales increase! As Sammy says context is important here as this type of jump is related to a huge spike on the back of a FIFA bundle and low sales the prior week for xbone. Still the PS4 slim is not a great value proposition since on an equal HD size basis the 1TB version is only £50 less than the Pro. Will be interesting to see how things develop over the holiday season as a more competitive market is better for consumers.
Another solid month and they seem to be going in a different direction on vita after a worrying period of psp titles. Have been quite enjoying my first visual novel experience this month.
@BAMozzy thanks for this. I had been waiting on 4K HDR with low input lag and it looks like it is as simple as a firmware update as previously HDR game mode was not available. Perhaps other manafactures will do the same now 4K gaming is on the verge of becoming mainstream and we will have a good choice of TVs to pick from.
@get2sammyb exactly my thoughts. My use of bluray has been minimal in the last few years and never using PS4. Prefer a separate box that anyone in the family can use easily. Coming in on price is more important esp since a larger number of potential buyers (me included) will be still on a 1080p TV for a while yet. By the time I get a 4K TV standalone players will be a lot cheaper. If you already have 4K then it seems likely that you already have a dedicated player since you will have prescious little media to watch otherwise.
There is also a wider issue on uhd bluray and Sony. Despite helping to create the format they still have no player available to the public and have only just announced a non-retail player for pro installers in the US to be released sometime next year. This is in sharp contrast to DVD and bluray when they were at the leading edge.
What are the chances that PS5 abandons any physical media player?
Agreed. The presentation seemed incredibly somber and totally lacking energy. There was absolutely zero reaction when the form factor was revealed but I guess the audience was all journos. It was all a little underwhelming and of course none of the graphical improvements can be appreciated on the video stream. That is going to be a big challenging for selling 4K HDR. Selling a big improvment in 1080 quality (detail / fps) might actually be easier.
If I see more on improvements at 1080p performance then I might jump in as I don't plan to get a 4K TV until the input lag on HDR mode is improved. Most current 4K TVs don't allow HDR when in game mode which means input lag can be 3-4x greater vs SDR game mode. It should change now HDR consoles are coming out as previously HDR was aimed only as AV enthusiasts.
@stevejcrow Thanks. Found it by searching as you said. Seems to be a continuing theme with Vita IGC listings, anyone would think Sony didn't care about it anymore.....
Strange. Switch Galaxy Ultra is free but not showing in the UK plus monthly games section. Instead there is something called Open Me! which is not free.
I am fairly neutral on this at the moment and will probably wait to see if there is a meaningful difference in quality. If the details are correct it seems like the significant GPU upgrade would be bottlenecked by more minor upgrades elsewhere.
To use the PC analogy if Base is Recommended spec and Neo is Ultra then nobody should have a poor experience. The concern would be if Base became the equivalent of Minimum spec over time.
Longer term I see some problems if the next upgrade is PS5. Would PS4.5 then be the "base"? Or cut out entirely which might make for a very short product lifecycle.
Almost bought Zombi a few times in sales so am pleased with that. Vita games don't look bad either. Both have decent steam reviews. Having been going through some of my IGC vita back catalogue on trips recently and have really been enjoying some I overlooked at the time.
I hope this is the case but my concern would be that if this was purely about 4K media, upscaling and integration of the PSVR PSU why is it that they seem to have been talking to so many developers? If there are no performance changes I don't see why they would need detailed discussions etc.
The bundle is not bad value but surely that is the holiday sku and day one adopters would want the stand alone. Really weird marketing decision. I also think it's odd that the base version doesn't come with anything other than the playroom demo. You would think the VR Worlds thing should be a pack in for all versions.
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Re: Sony Removes Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store, Pledges Refunds for All PS Store Purchases
CDPR released the below statement that suggests they were involved in discussions with Sony that lead to the decision. Whether this is the result they asked for is another matter since they still talk about being able to buy physics versions!
https://twitter.com/cyberpunkgame/status/1339846154176126976?s=21
Re: Spider-Man: Miles Morales Crashing Not a Risk to Your PS5, Dev Clarifies
No crashes for me but encountered a few bugs. Managed to break below the game world with a slam attack.. swinging around below NYC! (fixed with fast travel). Bigger one was exiting a mission replay and being stuck as Miles! Couldn’t find a fix but luckily it was time to move on to start NG+
Re: PS Now December 2020 Update Adds Horizon Zero Dawn, Darksiders 3, Wreckfest, More
@Crazybuttocks198 ahh.. didn’t have it back then. This is the complete edition and doesn’t seem to be time limited.
Re: PS Now December 2020 Update Adds Darksiders 3, Wreckfest, More
@Cornaboyzzz almost bought Surge 2 in the year end sale this morning as it is super cheap, plus been thinking about picking up the HZD expansion! Paid £35 for a 1 year sub back in June. Value has been excellent in my opinion.
Re: PS Now December 2020 Update Adds Darksiders 3, Wreckfest, More
@LiamCroft HZD complete edition was added today on PS Now in UK. Just checked. They also added Stranded Deep and The Surge 2 as well as the others mentioned. A great month.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Saves Can Be Transferred from PS4 to PS5
Yes. This is not news. You can transfer all PS4 saves to use on PS5 for backwards compatibility. CD Project Red are just restating existing Sony guidance on how to do it.
Re: Round Up: PS5 Launch in Europe - All Our PlayStation 5 Coverage
Received and setup. It’s a big boy! Definitely intended vertical. Don’t love it horizontal (exposed base it not the most attractive) but don’t have a choice so will have to get used to. Loving the 4K HDR UI and Astro. Controller is amazing.
Re: Round Up: PS5 Launch in Europe - All Our PlayStation 5 Coverage
Mine is in a parcelforce depot down the road being prepared for delivery. The same one that mysteriously “lost” a Wii when it was hot property. 🤞🏻😬
Re: Out Today: PS5, Sony's Biggest and Most Powerful Console
@ankehuber I pre ordered from Base and got charged last week. Order status now says “in dispatch”. Maybe I’ll get early!
Re: PS5 Doesn't Support Save Transfers via USB
Hopefully this will be patched soon. Just hit the arbitrary 1000 save item limit on online saves (still have 95gb space remaining😂) if everything goes on line this needs sorting out ASAP
Re: Bethesda Games Are Looking Increasingly Unlikely on PS5
@TheFrenchiestFry did they buy the rights to Spider-Man 2 after Spider-Man 1 has been a successful multi platform hit? No. They did a deal with Marvel to make an PS exclusive game based on a Marvel character and Insomniac picked Spider-Man. The last standalone Spider-Man game was back in 2012. It was not an active franchise.
Re: Bethesda Games Are Looking Increasingly Unlikely on PS5
The issue is not exclusives. Every platform holder should definitely focus on creating new IP from their studios. What annoys people is acquiring existing IP & pipeline (that you might be invested in / excited for), putting a wall around it, then saying you are pro consumer.
Re: These Are the PS4 Games That Won't Play on PS5
Love the fact Sony felt it necessary to state “ PS4 game discs can’t be used with the PlayStation®5 Digital Edition” 😂
Re: Poll: What's Your New PlayStation Trophy Level?
25 to 388 (63 plat). Had to earn a trophy for it to update.
Re: PS Plus October 2020 PS4 Games Announced
Played Vampyr from Now and really liked it so would encourage people to give it a go and dig into the side stories. Given the type of game I thought the combat was ok, esp when combining different abilities together, though even on a passive run you become totally OP by end of game.
Re: Poll: Will You Buy a PS5?
Will wait until maybe March ‘21 - got to get a 4k TV as well to make it worth while. That is the biggest cost for upgrading!
Re: Talking Point: Did the PS5 Showcase Event Deliver?
Blog post is now saying Spider-Man and Demon Souls are both launch games. All Sony studio launch games are listed.
https://blog.playstation.com/2020/09/16/playstation-5-launches-in-november-starting-at-399-for-ps5-digital-edition-and-499-for-ps5-with-ultra-hd-blu-ray-disc-drive/
Re: Rumour: PS4 Update to Add Pro 'Boost Mode', Upping Frame Rate of Unpatched Games
If it's true and is noticeable then I would probably upgrade at that point. Though since I won't have a 4K tv for a while I would also like more system level controls for performance e.g. downsampling to 1080p if not supported by the game or the option to activate "base" mode for any game with pro performance issues.
Re: February PlayStation Plus Games Revealed
Underwhelming for me personally. But what is it with Asia PS Plus though? They get LBP3 + Until Dawn + GoW3 Remastered?! Is it with the smaller sub base it doesn't cost them as much to do? Or the games just aren't selling in the region so it costs less for Sony to do a deal?
Re: Talking Point: Has Holiday 2016 Devalued New Games?
Been trying to get through my backlog recently so have been lagging behind by at lest six months on the bigger games recently. Whilst they are cheaper to pickup the one thing I have felt is that you miss out on is being part of the conversation when they are released... esp the case where it is something I am interested in and try to blank out all possible spoiler discussion until I have actually played it. Playing something like Bloodborne or Uncharted in the release window feels intrinsically more exciting even if changes nothing about the actual gameplay itself.
Re: January's PlayStation Plus Games Are Available to Download Now
Mmm... Titan Souls is showing as a £11.99 charge when I go to check out so be careful not to click through the whole basket without checking as I nearly did.
Re: Assassin's Creed Syndicate Polished Up with PS4 Pro Patch
@NathanUC mmm... the only issue I had was carriage driving in the ripper dlc that destroyed the fps and made those sections virtually unplayable... otherwise had very few issues in the base game and I think only 2 or 3 crashes. if you are a fan of the franchise I would encourage you to give it a go as it can be had pretty cheap now ($15 on psn I think)
Re: Assassin's Creed Syndicate Polished Up with PS4 Pro Patch
@NathanUC Syndicate ran well for me plus story was pretty good and two protagonists gave it some variety. Much better than unity in my view.
Re: PS4 Firmware Update 4.06 Improves the Quality of Your Console
@mantralux the xbone s has a slightly higher clock speed that is permanently enabled and has been shown to result in higher or more stable fps for many games. Perhaps the clock speed difference is not enough to break games but you would think we would have heard if it was causing issues by now.
Re: PS4 Sales Triple in UK Following Pro Launch
@get2sammyb i get the 4K argument but I think one of the issues highlighted by DF that people are unhappy about is that running at 1080p the Pro is dropping frames vs base due to supersampling. In those instances one option would be to let the user run the game in base mode which is what happens when a non-pro game is played anyway. This could be enabled at a system level as an option and would mean that the Pro could never perform worse than base at 1080p.
Re: Poll: Did You Buy a PS4 Pro?
@electrolite77 wonder if Sony could release a firmware patch to allow that setting at a system level. I don't see how a slightly higher clock speed would break existing games if that is what they are worried about but at least give people the choice.
Re: PS4's The Last Guardian Looks Bewilderingly Beautiful in New Screens
@get2sammyb not at all but I personally find it a distraction from the art direction if the image looks less than clean shall we say.
For a game in development for nearly 10 years (now 3yrs into PS4 life cycle) and receiving a full priced retail release I would love it to look like a 2016 game. I would have less issue if it was priced in line with gravity rush, nathan drake collection etc. It may well be that in action the game is a spellbinding experience which is why I asked the question.
Re: PS4's The Last Guardian Looks Bewilderingly Beautiful in New Screens
Sorry but it looks all bit low res and muddy with limited draw distance and some bad textures. Maybe in action it looks better but to me it looks like a remaster of a PS3 game... which I guess it is to be fair.
Re: Feature: Should You Buy the PS4 Pro?
@Chris0160 be careful though as I don't think this, and other cheaper 4K panels, are HDR capable and that is as big, if not biggger, than the resolution jump. Also need to be aware of input lag esp with HDR enabled. It's a bit of a minefield until it becomes more standardised.
Re: Hands On: Quit Bitchin'! PS4 Pro Is a Big, Beautiful Step Forward
@Vorlon not seen anything official but Amazon are selling with Dishonored 2 for £370. Was really hoping for a Tomb Raider bundle esp since the game seems to be a great advert for enhancements at 4K and 1080p.
Re: Hands On: Quit Bitchin'! PS4 Pro Is a Big, Beautiful Step Forward
@ravzir as you say download speed is due to Sony throttling psn on the server side to manage capacity / demand so no unfortunately it won't improve until Sony decides to invest more in the psn infrastructure.
Re: PS4 Pro Sold Out Until After Christmas, Says Amazon UK
It is back available again on Amazon.
Re: PS4 Pro Is Already Being Sold in Some Stores
@PoisonDwarf I could be wrong but I don't think you can just swap in an HDD from one PS4 to another (pro or otherwise). It will force a re-format. You can only swap in/out with the same PS4. If you still have the existing PS4 best option is to transfer to the Pro via Ethernet connnection. I bought an SSD and am waiting to get the Pro before formatting and copying across.
Re: PS4 Exclusive Days Gone Looks Insane on PS4 Pro
Hoping there will be a Horizon bundle. Will probably jump in at that point.
Re: Hardware Review: PlayStation VR - The Future of Play
@get2sammyb great detailed review! one thing I was wondering about is motion sickness. There are some reviews out there saying it is a big problem on PSVR even with seated games like Driveclub VR. Did you find this? Does it vary massively person to person?
Re: Soapbox: I Played PlayStation VR for Over an Hour and Didn't Chunder
@AhabSpampurse 👍😀 I had laser surgery a couple of years ago... obviously in anticipation of the VR revolution!😜 So I'm good to go.
Re: Soapbox: I Played PlayStation VR for Over an Hour and Didn't Chunder
@AhabSpampurse I am curious to know if you have tried VR wearing no glasses? Surely the screen is so close you don't need to wear them unless you are long sighted?
Re: PS4 Slim Sales Off to a Slow Start in the UK
989% week-on-week sales increase! As Sammy says context is important here as this type of jump is related to a huge spike on the back of a FIFA bundle and low sales the prior week for xbone. Still the PS4 slim is not a great value proposition since on an equal HD size basis the 1TB version is only £50 less than the Pro. Will be interesting to see how things develop over the holiday season as a more competitive market is better for consumers.
Re: PlayStation Plus October Includes Resident Evil and Transformers on PS4
Another solid month and they seem to be going in a different direction on vita after a worrying period of psp titles. Have been quite enjoying my first visual novel experience this month.
Re: First Impressions: PS4 Pro Represents a Sizeable Step Forward
@BAMozzy thanks for this. I had been waiting on 4K HDR with low input lag and it looks like it is as simple as a firmware update as previously HDR game mode was not available. Perhaps other manafactures will do the same now 4K gaming is on the verge of becoming mainstream and we will have a good choice of TVs to pick from.
Re: Poll: Should the PS4 Pro Have a UHD Blu-ray Player?
@get2sammyb exactly my thoughts. My use of bluray has been minimal in the last few years and never using PS4. Prefer a separate box that anyone in the family can use easily. Coming in on price is more important esp since a larger number of potential buyers (me included) will be still on a 1080p TV for a while yet. By the time I get a 4K TV standalone players will be a lot cheaper. If you already have 4K then it seems likely that you already have a dedicated player since you will have prescious little media to watch otherwise.
There is also a wider issue on uhd bluray and Sony. Despite helping to create the format they still have no player available to the public and have only just announced a non-retail player for pro installers in the US to be released sometime next year. This is in sharp contrast to DVD and bluray when they were at the leading edge.
What are the chances that PS5 abandons any physical media player?
Re: This Is the Best PS4 Pro Sales Pitch You'll See Today
Agreed. The presentation seemed incredibly somber and totally lacking energy. There was absolutely zero reaction when the form factor was revealed but I guess the audience was all journos. It was all a little underwhelming and of course none of the graphical improvements can be appreciated on the video stream. That is going to be a big challenging for selling 4K HDR. Selling a big improvment in 1080 quality (detail / fps) might actually be easier.
Re: This Is the Best PS4 Pro Sales Pitch You'll See Today
If I see more on improvements at 1080p performance then I might jump in as I don't plan to get a 4K TV until the input lag on HDR mode is improved. Most current 4K TVs don't allow HDR when in game mode which means input lag can be 3-4x greater vs SDR game mode. It should change now HDR consoles are coming out as previously HDR was aimed only as AV enthusiasts.
Re: Your Free PlayStation Plus Games for May Are Available Now
No. This is a PSP game only playable on Vita.
Re: Your Free PlayStation Plus Games for May Are Available Now
@stevejcrow Thanks. Found it by searching as you said. Seems to be a continuing theme with Vita IGC listings, anyone would think Sony didn't care about it anymore.....
Re: Your Free PlayStation Plus Games for May Are Available Now
Strange. Switch Galaxy Ultra is free but not showing in the UK plus monthly games section. Instead there is something called Open Me! which is not free.
Re: Soapbox: Sony Needs to Set the Record Straight on PS4K Soon
I am fairly neutral on this at the moment and will probably wait to see if there is a meaningful difference in quality. If the details are correct it seems like the significant GPU upgrade would be bottlenecked by more minor upgrades elsewhere.
To use the PC analogy if Base is Recommended spec and Neo is Ultra then nobody should have a poor experience. The concern would be if Base became the equivalent of Minimum spec over time.
Longer term I see some problems if the next upgrade is PS5. Would PS4.5 then be the "base"? Or cut out entirely which might make for a very short product lifecycle.
Re: Take Cover, Your April PlayStation Plus Games Have Been Announced
Almost bought Zombi a few times in sales so am pleased with that. Vita games don't look bad either. Both have decent steam reviews. Having been going through some of my IGC vita back catalogue on trips recently and have really been enjoying some I overlooked at the time.
Re: Sony Really Is Making a 4K Compatible Superpowered PS4, Sources Say
I hope this is the case but my concern would be that if this was purely about 4K media, upscaling and integration of the PSVR PSU why is it that they seem to have been talking to so many developers? If there are no performance changes I don't see why they would need detailed discussions etc.
Re: PlayStation VR's US Pre-Order Bundle Costs More Than $399
The bundle is not bad value but surely that is the holiday sku and day one adopters would want the stand alone. Really weird marketing decision. I also think it's odd that the base version doesn't come with anything other than the playroom demo. You would think the VR Worlds thing should be a pack in for all versions.