I mean it sucks but its not a dealbreaker. Some people I feel are being a little dramatic. Just run those missing songs through Spotify or something if you really need to but I didn't play these games solely for the soundtrack. It is what it is.
I think it looks pretty great. Does seem like good old P is on a revenge mission against Gepetto and all his inventions. Just like the story I read as a child 😁.
@Jacko11 same! Looking forward to the soundtracks. Vice City and San Andreas has always stuck with me. The radio stations were always great to tune into.
I think the price point is fine but I can understand why others might not be too impressed. I see it as 3 classics with some modern features that are very appealing to me and quite frankly I am surprised at the effort Rockstar put in (I had very low expectations). It won't be for everyone but I am pretty pleased with what they have done and am happy with the price. Vice City and San Andreas are still way above 4 and 5 imo so I am looking forward to reliving those memories. (Fat CJ )
@rykkchii I mean these guys are people like you and me. They deserve a PS5 like any of us and I don't see the problem with sharing the gesture. Imagine not being able to get a PS5 and then your boss gets you one. This is a great news story.
Too many people on here cry, bitch and whine. If you don't see it as worth paying for guess what? You don't have to pay for it!
I'm used to paying for additional content and maybe that's wrong I don't know but this entitled approach is just getting annoying. Why stop there? Why not demand Crossbuy across everything you own?
We've clearly been spoiled by Sony and MS in the past for people to be crying like this. Whichever muppet said we bought new consoles to access the upgraded features for old games for free is deluded. You already bought the game as it was so anything extra is just that "extra". If we get it for free amazing. If there's a charge for doing this then you weigh up the odds if its worth it. If not then simply put your wallet back in your pocket.
The only thing I hold all these publishers responsible for is the dry period the media are going through. I hope they give them something to chew on soon because the articles focusing on this type of stuff shows just how much of a media drought there is.
To go to these lengths this ain't no small indie game. Regardless of what it is it has to be big for all the trouble they are going to and no damage control by Sony . It still wiffs of Kojima so I'm almost convinced it is him and if its not then oh well.
I always thought Blue Box Game Studios was a play on Playstation Studios. Team blue and all that. Blue box being the PlayStation console. Plus the logos are similar too.
@ATaco I'm not 100% on this but I think FF14 would have been crossplay across PS, Xbox and PC but MS wanted their own servers for Xbox players and Square said no.
Yeah MS have adopted crossplay a lot quicker than PS which is surprising considering they were so locked down back then.
@Bleachedsmiles that's actually my plan. Trial it and see if I like it then buy it on Switch most likely for the handheld option.
This one is specific to those that have been there for a while not kind of new games on the service. And with this being a big game I don't want to get half way through and have to start again. A cross save function from the developer would be welcome to alleviate these occurrences. That would be nice indeed!
@Bleachedsmiles OK I cannot resist a response so I will add a response to each paragraph.
I agree there is lazy development but hopefully a subscription service in every corner of the industry wouldn't see this enhanced but it could regardless of what you say.
I didn't say that it was because of GamePass I'm saying it could be. Again I am playing devil's advocate rather than believing this is the way forward before it's proven. And I agree with your view on Xbox Studios currently.
Again I don't have fears about gamepass I have concerns around subs in all corners being the norm. Who is to say every publisher wouldn't want in on the action? As far as I know GamePass is losing money but intentionally as some investments do until they start recuperating the investment. This is basic business. Yes I have shares in MS so I guess I am a shareholder so I have a right I guess. But that again isn't my point. It's not me PERSONALLY who hasn't seen reported profits its THE shareholders because there are no profits to report. They need X amount of subscribers to continue as they are would be the assumption and they've not hit it yet. Which I'd why they continue to curate high profile games to draw us in.
Gamepass is the only real example to reference that can cause disruption to the industry due to its popularity. PS Now is not a disruptor just like EA Access isn't. My point is around subs like GamePass being the norm with the current Xbox userbase being very vocal about the fact that if a game isn't part of a 10.99 sub service then it's a rip off. I can change my example to "popular subscription service" and "users of said service" if this makes it easier. This is why I keep telling you I I have an issue with GP itself but if more of the same model and user base perceptions are adopted this is what could happen.
I'm glad I didn't hurt your feelings.
I know streaming is coming but this argument that this is the only way to consume games is false. You keep touching on physical which I honestly don't give a crap about. I have an all digital PS5 and thebobly reason my XSX has a drive is because I want to watch my 4k Blu Ray's which I have to buy because the compression is garbage when you stream. Digital sales are on the rise as your said which isn't a subscription it is still consumed in the same way it is just a different format. The end result is you don't have to continue to pay for it like a sub and it remains in your library. I keep eyeing up dragon quest on GP but its been on there for a while and I don't know when it's going to be leaving the service. With a game that's 100 hours plus starting on GP knowing it could be gone in two weeks makes me just want to buy the game. There is always going to be an argument for buying games.
To sum up I have concerns because I am a pragmatic person. I can see the pros but I can also see the cons. And don't get me wrong I have reservations about some games and how much the industry is charging for them as a one size fits all model. There is plenty of room for both but I don't want every corner of the industry to pop up with subs. I already have Prime, Disney, Netflix, Now TV, GP, PS Now and PS Plus. They are valid concerns and I've explained to you in each response why. I accept that you think this could all work put because it could and I will happily eat my own words but there is nothing wrong with speculation and not taking everything at face value.
@Bleachedsmiles honestly I cannot be a**** writing paragraphs to you so I will try and keep it short.
Firstly when a company doesn't report profits to its shareholders in 4 years is a pretty telling sign it's because there is no profit. It is very clear they are going through a period of needing to sustain so will be taking a hit until they have the right amount of subscribers. But if you have the source for the profits then fair play.
Hopefully you are not referring to me as a fanboy. I am literally platform agnostic. Don't have an issue with MS (apart from big ugly Phil). I play on my Xbox and PS and I have GamePass which is a nice supplementary service to my PS5 where I enjoy my PS exclusives which I have to pay for at full price usually with it being new. Loved spiderman and bought miles morales at full price whilst getting ridiculed for it by Xbox fanboys claiming it is a rip off and Sony hates its fans and this gen is the end of Sony because of Gamepass. Bought Valhalla and Cold War for full price on my XSX too.
Now hopefully I am being clear. I do not hate gamepass and I think it is a good offering. I also think that some xbox fans who are very vocal don't see gamepass as something that supplements our gaming hobby but see it as be gamepass or die. This mentality is what will diminish IP's.
Also I don't buy physical I buy digital and have since ps3 and 360. I play both sides of the fence and I'm entitled to my opinion of not wanting to see a sub only industry, its not like I can stop it. Those who are paying full price play a part in subsidising those getting games at a discounted rate. If you eliminate that and publishers are forced to cut budgets you see a lower quality of game. Maybe that's what happened with Halo Infinite who knows.
You are talking about Sony fanboys being very defensive but you too are being very defensive because I voiced my own opinion about the subscription model being the norm in the industry. If you actually read my original comment I had also added that there is a lot that I probably hadn't considered as part of my thoughts but it is something to think about. I also pondered about the impact of reduced average spend from the gamer on the industry as a whole. You have specifically targeted GamePass as your argument back to me for a very valid point. My point wasn't that GamePass is diminishing diversity AT ALL. My point was that this mentality that not paying a sub and paying for games in full (or on sale) is old and tired is diminishing the perceived value of the IP's that don't reside on GamePass.
Yes yes devs might not have to find a publisher and that could spawn creativity I agree but again you are looking at one side of the argument. It could also spawn an era of lazy development. There is no incentive to drive sales so as long as a game ticks so many boxes for the game to go on gamepass they can crunch dev time and increase margin.
I am sorry if I hurt your feelings but the subscription model is still very new and we don't know the impact it might have on the industry. Trying to convince anyone that this is the way the industry is going without tangible proof that it is sustainable is naive. Bringing a condescending attitude just makes you come across as a d**k.
Well look at that I wrote paragraphs anyway....
Apologies to all having to read this. This will be the last response from me :/
@Bleachedsmiles that is actually my point right there. The value of those games are diminished because the only way people will play them is on a low monthly sub. My point comes from my own experience which I should have added to my point really. In tons of comments paying full price for a game is considered insanity at this point. If its sustainable then fair play I will shut my mouth but we are in the honeymoon period so who knows what the impact will be once MS have to start making a profit on this service. If people don't want to pay high prices for content then they cannot possibly operate at a high quality or would have to look at reducing the content somewhat. The fact that GamePass is making some gamers feel that paying full price for games is an idiot is exactly what I'm driving at.
I have GamePass. If something is on there that I want play I will play it. If I stand to play a better version on my PS5 I will buy it on that. If a PS exclusive comes out I will buy it on my PS. A subscription service does not suit everyone and buying games at full price is something that is still very much OK and shouldn't be seen as Sony or Nintendo punishing their fans and Xbox is the only consumer friendly company. Its just not. They have created a model which is hopefully sustainable but there is no reason for the whole industry to move in this direction.
MLB the Show is a cracking example. MS secured it on GamePass and the Sony fans were mocked for paying full price. No doubt some of the xbox gamepass deals are subsidised by Nintendo and PlayStation consumers having a larger player base than MS.
This is what I am driving at. If you get a game on GP then amazing, that is great news and a great perk. But that doesn't mean the game is only worth your £11 per month sub. The ecosystems need each other to strike balance and drive value and quality for the players. Standardisation is not what the gaming industry needs or wants. It's all about diversity in portfolio and engagement.
I agree with the diversity in GamePass offering. They have reported that gamers are trying more than they ever have since GP which is of course a massive positive and shows the model isn't just negatives as many believe.
@johncalmc THIS! This is what bugs me really badly. I can't remember if it was part of the Series X reveal but Uncle Phil said Xbox don't believe in exclusives as a snide to Sony. A few months later buys Zenimax and pulls all the multiplatform to GP.
This is business and it doesn't bother me that MS did this because they needed to coming off a loss last gen. But the constant u-turning is just embarrassing and the Phil Spencer worshippers lap it all up. When he talks he reminds me of the directors commentaries from season 8 of Game of Thrones. Just making stuff up as they go along to fit the narrative.
Jim Ryan is another one of those too...
My mates and I are bought into all 3 console ecosystems but can't stand these two d***s.
@Enigk I really hope that isn't the case... at least based on the current setup. Subscription is already diminishing the value of individual IP's. At least with the Xbox user base. Anything above a £10 a month subscription is seen as daylight robbery. People were paying £60 per game and happy about it a coupe of years back.
If all current games dropped their spend to a maximum of £120 annually on games (give or take free trials and a £1 for 3 month deal) I'd be interested to know how that would affect the current market.
Imagining a World where it is mostly subs and Sony decided to counter like for like with their own service and existing IP. The two would need to either ramp up the game quality which means more money or drive the price down which no doubt would impact quality.
It will go a lot deeper than this of course and there's a lot more I would need to consider for the argument but from what we are seeing with Netflix they are hiking prices to account for that. My 4K sub just want up from 9.99 to 13.99. That's a 40% increase almost.
These are just things to consider I guess and I would always prefer to own my games and I'm sure there are more people like me.
Whereas I wouldn't normally back entitled gamers, this is something they clearly know would get the Silent Hill community roused. They are playing a risky game with marketing here because either it is 100% Silent Hill and they are just messing with the fans or its really not and the backlash will be that whatever they dish out won't be Silent Hill and people won't want to play it.
Either way I think these tactics aren't helping to sell the game. Kojima is definitely up to something though so we just need to wait and see.
Agree with this article completely. It hasn't been good for a while and the fact that a lot of the publishers who have had their own gig recently have been largely successful hasn't helped E3. The way we consume information has changed dramatically in recent years and E3 has ultimately kept to the same format. If you can't evolve then you die out. Basic law of nature!
@ShogunRok I don't think it was just Square to be honest. I felt like everything presented at the show this year (except Xbox showcase) has been filler and the best is being saved for an other event or even their own.
Disappointed with the Square showcase really this time round but I have a feeling they will either do their own with more games in the pipeline or the next Sony event.
At the end of the day there is no one right way of doing things. GamePass will attract the people who want to have a subscription service and there will always be a market for people who want to buy games.
I have purchased GamePass and the model is not for me and I do have real concerns about it if this became the industry standard. The fact is it doesn't have to go that way.
I refuse to lie and say GamePass is not value for money because for the right gamer it certainly is. Nor will I say that £70 per game doesn't bug me, in some cases it does but not for the games I really enjoy so will pay a pretty penny for those experiences.
The dynamic of having GamePass and traditional sales actually offers some form of balance. As long as you are charging a big chunk of cash you need to drive those sales with top quality. Likewise if you want people paying big chunks of cash to spend it on your subscription service you need to ensure you curate/develop a wide range of quality games. As long as both exist they will compete for our cheddar. Win Win if you ask me.
Wishing ill on the competition is only going to allow the side your sat on to become complacent. I have bought 3 out of 4 of the Xbox generation as I always like to keep an open mind but what they are doing simply doesn't work for me but it works for others and I am ok with that.
@Snoober that's not what anyone is saying on here mate.
I am talking about incentivising developers. Nobody knows whether it's profitable or not because MS has not told anyone the numbers so I would not presume to know how much is being made. What I do know is that MS don't pull the full amount for each subscription and we are at the beginning of the GamePass journey so people having concerns about how it turns out after the honeymoon period is perfectly acceptable.
I have played both Forza and Gears because as I have said I DO have an XSX and GP. Gears to me is mediocre garbage whereas Forza Horizon is actually very good. I'd be more interested in Fable and Avowed but it will be years before those are released and if thats all that interests me then by the time I get to play those games I would be expected to pay over £200 which isn't worth it for two games for me.
The model works for some but not for all. Pull your head out of your backside thinking GamePass is a one size fits all because it isn't.
@LocalPenguin I have all these things too in my 30's but I don't share your thoughts on this. Its not about paying the least amount of money it's about playing games you want to play. This is a very one dimensional viewpoint.
Gaming is my hobby and I will play what I want to play not what I want to pay. For some that's not a choice I get that and I am fortunate to have that choice. I choose my own games and don't want a subscription to choose for me. You can't compartmentalise people the way you are suggesting.
@Otherbarry everybody wants to get games cheap but nobody wants to play cheap games.
This is my issue with GamePass if it is to follow suit of Netflix. There are a few good shows on there but mostly it is s**t. This worried me with with development of games. You remove the carrot why put all the effort in. You only need enough to keep people subscribed. Same with PS Now.
I bought 3 years if GP in November when I got my XSX. Nothing has tickled my fancy yet (largely due to my playstation backlog). I played a little bit of Ori and a little bit of that dwarf mining game which was OK. Its good that all these titles will be there day one but all the other garbage in between isn't worth it at least for me.
I thought it was OK but I kind of expected there to be no news on FFR2 or FF16. With them being exclusive we are probably going to see at least FF16 at the next Sony show.
Why the hell would they send the original games to Steam and Mobile and not consoles... I've been wanting 1-6 in one place forever.
@mucc I mean that wasn't my argument at all. Bethesda needed MS to buy them is what I said so no idea how your response is directed at me. And yes I agree with you about MS and its brute force approach. It is basically buying friends.
@MaseSco it would only be reversed for the serious fanboys. If Sony bought Bethesda I would think it was a waste considering the quality of their games the last few years. They needed someone to turn then around which is why it made sense for MS to do this. The only issue is MS don't have the greatest track record for turning developers around either.
Maybe ES6 and Starfield will help turn them around who knows but I think a lot of people overestimate how important western RPG's are to the Playstation community. I like a good western RPG but would prefer a JRPG any day of the week. Of course I'm not saying that people don't play them but I don't see the Bethesda line up as system sellers for most.
@Icey664 do you jump on the Fifa announcements and complain that it's another football game? Commenting on the games that you don't like just to winge about them is probably not doing your health any good. Maybe avoid those negative interactions if you can eh?
Strange comments aside I think this looks great. Hopefully it was worth the wait but looks like they are expanding on the traditional souls formula to bring something more expanded which could be interesting.
@Porco hopefully that's not the case! I am sure it will take off but given the pandemic I think it will be longer than we would have hoped. I think with the generational leap getting smaller with each new console we will see more of these blurred lines between generations. Probably more like the PC gaming scene, same games just better hardware. That's what we are seeing with the PS5 right now I think. Faster storage, compute etc.
@Porco I agree with you and I think I was generalising with my comment rather than specifically talking about Sony. There are tons of games that have been on both last gen and current gen across the third party spectrum. Even games like The Force Unleashed was released across both PS2 and PS3 but had features missing due to the lack of power. Fifa 13 was released for PS2 in 2012! 6 years after the PS3 released.
I am not saying that people do not feel disheartened by the lack of exclusivity at this point but having the expectation that a business would sacrifice over 90% of its consumers by making the majority of their offerings exclusive are woefully misinformed.
My advice to those people is to continue the PS4 generation which is still alive and kicking until the offerings suit their requirements.
@Arugula @Richnj as a PS5 owner I don't feel alienated in any way shape or form. HZD and GoW should come out on PS4 100% and I love that.
My PS5 is me set for the future but I make certain gains on games like spiderman HZD, GoW with the performance upgrades which is great. I am playing Spiderman Remastered now and it's excellent.
As for expectations there isn't anything new going on here. We've had it every generation. You don't just suddenly switch off support for over 100 million people in your player base. Once more consoles are adopted it will shift to more stuff being PS5 only but until then it makes zero sense to have everything exclusive. Cross gen will allow them to close the gap and still reap in the finances needed to fund the next game.
Nobody has been forced to buy next gen and people can still stick to their PS4 and can still sell their PS5 for some margin at places like CEX.
Anyone who went into this generation expecting a hard stop on PS4 game development needs to take their head for a wobble because that's not really how it works.
@nessisonett I hate timed exclusivity too but they have every right if the developer/publisher is willing to accept money to put it in a single place for a timed period.
We should be pointing our fingers at the developer/publisher for putting those rights on sale in the first place.
@BansheeNorn all of the PS5 exclusives are exclusive to PS5. How can a "PS5 exclusive" be on PS4 or PC? Assuming you are meaning PlayStation exclusives (sorry if I'm being pedantic) then some are on PC, PS4 and PS5 either as upgrades or b/c. But that's not the argument. A console player might not want a PC and his point was that there are exclusives on PlayStation not available on other platforms which there are. That sir is fact. Just like you cannot play Halo on a PS. GamePass is MS's golden ticket to drive its customer base just like Sonys fans are driven by the quality of its exclusives. This is pretty much very widely known and accessible information right now.
Two very different approaches to the market. There is no one size fits all (thank god).
@BrainHacker I'm 100% behind you on that statement it is a great addition but it's not the reason I buy next gen. So many stones are thrown at Sony and Nintendo for lack of backwards compatability but they are still selling more than MS . It is very clear to me that backwards compatibility is not the main driver behind buyer behaviour.
@BansheeNorn the guy who wrote this got called out by the guy he wrote it about and the Head of PS Studios. Sackboy, Returnal, Dreams and Asto Bot are clear indicators that this isn't the case.
I can smell xbox fanboy all over you. I don't understand why you fanboys invade comments boards like this. You reek of salt.
Your xbox might be able to play backwards compatible games but that unfortunately is Microsofts sad excuse for not being able to deliver new and innovative games. Might as well continue to deliver the past if you can't deliver the future.
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Re: GTA Trilogy's PS5, PS4 Soundtracks Missing Songs from PS2 Originals
I mean it sucks but its not a dealbreaker. Some people I feel are being a little dramatic. Just run those missing songs through Spotify or something if you really need to but I didn't play these games solely for the soundtrack. It is what it is.
Re: Video: Which Call of Duty Game Is the Best?
MW2 undeniably. I was so addicted to that game at the time.
Re: Glorious Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9 Bestiary Galleries Remind Us of Amazing Monster Designs
@thejoesenone I'm with you on that one. This is literally my favourite game ever and the sneaky slithering little s**t had me stumped for a bit too! 😅
Re: PS5 Action RPG Lies of P Wants to Scratch Your Bloodborne Itch in New Gameplay Trailer
I think it looks pretty great. Does seem like good old P is on a revenge mission against Gepetto and all his inventions. Just like the story I read as a child 😁.
Re: 8 New GTA Trilogy PS5, PS4 Screenshots Show Off Improvements
@Jacko11 same! Looking forward to the soundtracks. Vice City and San Andreas has always stuck with me. The radio stations were always great to tune into.
Re: This Is What the GTA Trilogy Looks Like on PS5, PS4
I think the price point is fine but I can understand why others might not be too impressed. I see it as 3 classics with some modern features that are very appealing to me and quite frankly I am surprised at the effort Rockstar put in (I had very low expectations). It won't be for everyone but I am pretty pleased with what they have done and am happy with the price. Vice City and San Andreas are still way above 4 and 5 imo so I am looking forward to reliving those memories. (Fat CJ )
Re: Project EVE Dev Celebrates PS Showcase Trailer by Buying Entire Team a PS5
@rykkchii I mean these guys are people like you and me. They deserve a PS5 like any of us and I don't see the problem with sharing the gesture. Imagine not being able to get a PS5 and then your boss gets you one. This is a great news story.
Re: Sony Fans Bicker Over Ghost of Tsushima PS5 Paywall
Too many people on here cry, bitch and whine. If you don't see it as worth paying for guess what? You don't have to pay for it!
I'm used to paying for additional content and maybe that's wrong I don't know but this entitled approach is just getting annoying. Why stop there? Why not demand Crossbuy across everything you own?
We've clearly been spoiled by Sony and MS in the past for people to be crying like this. Whichever muppet said we bought new consoles to access the upgraded features for old games for free is deluded. You already bought the game as it was so anything extra is just that "extra". If we get it for free amazing. If there's a charge for doing this then you weigh up the odds if its worth it. If not then simply put your wallet back in your pocket.
The only thing I hold all these publishers responsible for is the dry period the media are going through. I hope they give them something to chew on soon because the articles focusing on this type of stuff shows just how much of a media drought there is.
Re: PS5 Game Abandoned Now Proving Its Outsourcing Studios Exist
To go to these lengths this ain't no small indie game. Regardless of what it is it has to be big for all the trouble they are going to and no damage control by Sony . It still wiffs of Kojima so I'm almost convinced it is him and if its not then oh well.
Re: Death Stranding Director's Cut Rating Specifically Mentions Stealth Takedowns
@Nepp67 yessss! That was awesome back then. Can still see my pad moving across the carpet now!
Re: Death Stranding Director's Cut Rating Specifically Mentions Stealth Takedowns
All I need is 60 fps and they can snatch as much money as they want from me.
Re: This Abandoned and Blue Box Game Studio Thing Is Getting Out of Hand
@NeonTiger it's all part of the fun really.
Re: This Abandoned and Blue Box Game Studio Thing Is Getting Out of Hand
I always thought Blue Box Game Studios was a play on Playstation Studios. Team blue and all that. Blue box being the PlayStation console. Plus the logos are similar too.
Re: This Abandoned and Blue Box Game Studio Thing Is Getting Out of Hand
@Loftimus I literally said this to a friend the other day. Can totally see it!
Re: Hideo Kojima Fans Investigate PS5 Exclusive Abandoned, Reads Like Conspiracy Theories
@Pete_Stooge are you familiar with Kojima? He does this kind of stuff. He has gone to greater lengths to conceal his games.
Re: Sony: We Support and Encourage Crossplay Across Consoles
@ATaco I'm not 100% on this but I think FF14 would have been crossplay across PS, Xbox and PC but MS wanted their own servers for Xbox players and Square said no.
Yeah MS have adopted crossplay a lot quicker than PS which is surprising considering they were so locked down back then.
Re: Sony: We Support and Encourage Crossplay Across Consoles
@TheFrenchiestFry yeah they did FF14 cross play with PC back in 2013. Its good that we have this feature keeping game servers populated for longer.
Re: Psychonauts 2 Will Also Release on PS4 This August
@Bleachedsmiles that's actually my plan. Trial it and see if I like it then buy it on Switch most likely for the handheld option.
This one is specific to those that have been there for a while not kind of new games on the service. And with this being a big game I don't want to get half way through and have to start again. A cross save function from the developer would be welcome to alleviate these occurrences. That would be nice indeed!
Re: Psychonauts 2 Will Also Release on PS4 This August
@Bleachedsmiles OK I cannot resist a response so I will add a response to each paragraph.
I agree there is lazy development but hopefully a subscription service in every corner of the industry wouldn't see this enhanced but it could regardless of what you say.
I didn't say that it was because of GamePass I'm saying it could be. Again I am playing devil's advocate rather than believing this is the way forward before it's proven. And I agree with your view on Xbox Studios currently.
Again I don't have fears about gamepass I have concerns around subs in all corners being the norm. Who is to say every publisher wouldn't want in on the action? As far as I know GamePass is losing money but intentionally as some investments do until they start recuperating the investment. This is basic business. Yes I have shares in MS so I guess I am a shareholder so I have a right I guess. But that again isn't my point. It's not me PERSONALLY who hasn't seen reported profits its THE shareholders because there are no profits to report. They need X amount of subscribers to continue as they are would be the assumption and they've not hit it yet. Which I'd why they continue to curate high profile games to draw us in.
Gamepass is the only real example to reference that can cause disruption to the industry due to its popularity. PS Now is not a disruptor just like EA Access isn't. My point is around subs like GamePass being the norm with the current Xbox userbase being very vocal about the fact that if a game isn't part of a 10.99 sub service then it's a rip off. I can change my example to "popular subscription service" and "users of said service" if this makes it easier. This is why I keep telling you I I have an issue with GP itself but if more of the same model and user base perceptions are adopted this is what could happen.
I'm glad I didn't hurt your feelings.
I know streaming is coming but this argument that this is the only way to consume games is false. You keep touching on physical which I honestly don't give a crap about. I have an all digital PS5 and thebobly reason my XSX has a drive is because I want to watch my 4k Blu Ray's which I have to buy because the compression is garbage when you stream. Digital sales are on the rise as your said which isn't a subscription it is still consumed in the same way it is just a different format. The end result is you don't have to continue to pay for it like a sub and it remains in your library. I keep eyeing up dragon quest on GP but its been on there for a while and I don't know when it's going to be leaving the service. With a game that's 100 hours plus starting on GP knowing it could be gone in two weeks makes me just want to buy the game. There is always going to be an argument for buying games.
To sum up I have concerns because I am a pragmatic person. I can see the pros but I can also see the cons. And don't get me wrong I have reservations about some games and how much the industry is charging for them as a one size fits all model. There is plenty of room for both but I don't want every corner of the industry to pop up with subs. I already have Prime, Disney, Netflix, Now TV, GP, PS Now and PS Plus. They are valid concerns and I've explained to you in each response why. I accept that you think this could all work put because it could and I will happily eat my own words but there is nothing wrong with speculation and not taking everything at face value.
Re: Psychonauts 2 Will Also Release on PS4 This August
@Bleachedsmiles honestly I cannot be a**** writing paragraphs to you so I will try and keep it short.
Firstly when a company doesn't report profits to its shareholders in 4 years is a pretty telling sign it's because there is no profit. It is very clear they are going through a period of needing to sustain so will be taking a hit until they have the right amount of subscribers. But if you have the source for the profits then fair play.
Hopefully you are not referring to me as a fanboy. I am literally platform agnostic. Don't have an issue with MS (apart from big ugly Phil). I play on my Xbox and PS and I have GamePass which is a nice supplementary service to my PS5 where I enjoy my PS exclusives which I have to pay for at full price usually with it being new. Loved spiderman and bought miles morales at full price whilst getting ridiculed for it by Xbox fanboys claiming it is a rip off and Sony hates its fans and this gen is the end of Sony because of Gamepass. Bought Valhalla and Cold War for full price on my XSX too.
Now hopefully I am being clear. I do not hate gamepass and I think it is a good offering. I also think that some xbox fans who are very vocal don't see gamepass as something that supplements our gaming hobby but see it as be gamepass or die. This mentality is what will diminish IP's.
Also I don't buy physical I buy digital and have since ps3 and 360. I play both sides of the fence and I'm entitled to my opinion of not wanting to see a sub only industry, its not like I can stop it. Those who are paying full price play a part in subsidising those getting games at a discounted rate. If you eliminate that and publishers are forced to cut budgets you see a lower quality of game. Maybe that's what happened with Halo Infinite who knows.
You are talking about Sony fanboys being very defensive but you too are being very defensive because I voiced my own opinion about the subscription model being the norm in the industry. If you actually read my original comment I had also added that there is a lot that I probably hadn't considered as part of my thoughts but it is something to think about. I also pondered about the impact of reduced average spend from the gamer on the industry as a whole. You have specifically targeted GamePass as your argument back to me for a very valid point. My point wasn't that GamePass is diminishing diversity AT ALL. My point was that this mentality that not paying a sub and paying for games in full (or on sale) is old and tired is diminishing the perceived value of the IP's that don't reside on GamePass.
Yes yes devs might not have to find a publisher and that could spawn creativity I agree but again you are looking at one side of the argument. It could also spawn an era of lazy development. There is no incentive to drive sales so as long as a game ticks so many boxes for the game to go on gamepass they can crunch dev time and increase margin.
I am sorry if I hurt your feelings but the subscription model is still very new and we don't know the impact it might have on the industry. Trying to convince anyone that this is the way the industry is going without tangible proof that it is sustainable is naive. Bringing a condescending attitude just makes you come across as a d**k.
Well look at that I wrote paragraphs anyway....
Apologies to all having to read this. This will be the last response from me :/
Re: Psychonauts 2 Will Also Release on PS4 This August
@Bleachedsmiles that is actually my point right there. The value of those games are diminished because the only way people will play them is on a low monthly sub. My point comes from my own experience which I should have added to my point really. In tons of comments paying full price for a game is considered insanity at this point. If its sustainable then fair play I will shut my mouth but we are in the honeymoon period so who knows what the impact will be once MS have to start making a profit on this service. If people don't want to pay high prices for content then they cannot possibly operate at a high quality or would have to look at reducing the content somewhat. The fact that GamePass is making some gamers feel that paying full price for games is an idiot is exactly what I'm driving at.
I have GamePass. If something is on there that I want play I will play it. If I stand to play a better version on my PS5 I will buy it on that. If a PS exclusive comes out I will buy it on my PS. A subscription service does not suit everyone and buying games at full price is something that is still very much OK and shouldn't be seen as Sony or Nintendo punishing their fans and Xbox is the only consumer friendly company. Its just not. They have created a model which is hopefully sustainable but there is no reason for the whole industry to move in this direction.
MLB the Show is a cracking example. MS secured it on GamePass and the Sony fans were mocked for paying full price. No doubt some of the xbox gamepass deals are subsidised by Nintendo and PlayStation consumers having a larger player base than MS.
This is what I am driving at. If you get a game on GP then amazing, that is great news and a great perk. But that doesn't mean the game is only worth your £11 per month sub. The ecosystems need each other to strike balance and drive value and quality for the players. Standardisation is not what the gaming industry needs or wants. It's all about diversity in portfolio and engagement.
I agree with the diversity in GamePass offering. They have reported that gamers are trying more than they ever have since GP which is of course a massive positive and shows the model isn't just negatives as many believe.
Re: Bethesda Apologises to PS5, PS4 Fans 'P*ssed' at Exclusivity
@johncalmc THIS! This is what bugs me really badly. I can't remember if it was part of the Series X reveal but Uncle Phil said Xbox don't believe in exclusives as a snide to Sony. A few months later buys Zenimax and pulls all the multiplatform to GP.
This is business and it doesn't bother me that MS did this because they needed to coming off a loss last gen. But the constant u-turning is just embarrassing and the Phil Spencer worshippers lap it all up. When he talks he reminds me of the directors commentaries from season 8 of Game of Thrones. Just making stuff up as they go along to fit the narrative.
Jim Ryan is another one of those too...
My mates and I are bought into all 3 console ecosystems but can't stand these two d***s.
Re: Psychonauts 2 Will Also Release on PS4 This August
@Enigk I really hope that isn't the case... at least based on the current setup. Subscription is already diminishing the value of individual IP's. At least with the Xbox user base. Anything above a £10 a month subscription is seen as daylight robbery. People were paying £60 per game and happy about it a coupe of years back.
If all current games dropped their spend to a maximum of £120 annually on games (give or take free trials and a £1 for 3 month deal) I'd be interested to know how that would affect the current market.
Imagining a World where it is mostly subs and Sony decided to counter like for like with their own service and existing IP. The two would need to either ramp up the game quality which means more money or drive the price down which no doubt would impact quality.
It will go a lot deeper than this of course and there's a lot more I would need to consider for the argument but from what we are seeing with Netflix they are hiking prices to account for that. My 4K sub just want up from 9.99 to 13.99. That's a 40% increase almost.
These are just things to consider I guess and I would always prefer to own my games and I'm sure there are more people like me.
Re: Psychonauts 2 Will Also Release on PS4 This August
@Jayslow Xcloud is actually pretty solid. I tried Ori on my phone and performance wise it was really good.
Re: Blue Box Game Studios Apologises for Misjudged Silent Hill Message
Whereas I wouldn't normally back entitled gamers, this is something they clearly know would get the Silent Hill community roused. They are playing a risky game with marketing here because either it is 100% Silent Hill and they are just messing with the fans or its really not and the backlash will be that whatever they dish out won't be Silent Hill and people won't want to play it.
Either way I think these tactics aren't helping to sell the game. Kojima is definitely up to something though so we just need to wait and see.
Re: Reaction: E3 Is a Relic Desperately Clinging to Relevancy
@ShogunRok I know right! I had skimmed over everything but the Square Enix presentation which I was looking forward to and even that was s***.
I will stick to trailers on YouTube and State of Play from now on.
Re: Reaction: E3 Is a Relic Desperately Clinging to Relevancy
Agree with this article completely. It hasn't been good for a while and the fact that a lot of the publishers who have had their own gig recently have been largely successful hasn't helped E3. The way we consume information has changed dramatically in recent years and E3 has ultimately kept to the same format. If you can't evolve then you die out. Basic law of nature!
Re: Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster Isn't on PS5, PS4, And Fans Are Baffled
@ShogunRok I don't think it was just Square to be honest. I felt like everything presented at the show this year (except Xbox showcase) has been filler and the best is being saved for an other event or even their own.
Disappointed with the Square showcase really this time round but I have a feeling they will either do their own with more games in the pipeline or the next Sony event.
Re: Reaction: Xbox Game Pass Is the Thorn in PS5's Side
At the end of the day there is no one right way of doing things. GamePass will attract the people who want to have a subscription service and there will always be a market for people who want to buy games.
I have purchased GamePass and the model is not for me and I do have real concerns about it if this became the industry standard. The fact is it doesn't have to go that way.
I refuse to lie and say GamePass is not value for money because for the right gamer it certainly is. Nor will I say that £70 per game doesn't bug me, in some cases it does but not for the games I really enjoy so will pay a pretty penny for those experiences.
The dynamic of having GamePass and traditional sales actually offers some form of balance. As long as you are charging a big chunk of cash you need to drive those sales with top quality. Likewise if you want people paying big chunks of cash to spend it on your subscription service you need to ensure you curate/develop a wide range of quality games. As long as both exist they will compete for our cheddar. Win Win if you ask me.
Wishing ill on the competition is only going to allow the side your sat on to become complacent. I have bought 3 out of 4 of the Xbox generation as I always like to keep an open mind but what they are doing simply doesn't work for me but it works for others and I am ok with that.
Re: Reaction: Xbox Game Pass Is the Thorn in PS5's Side
@Snoober that's not what anyone is saying on here mate.
I am talking about incentivising developers. Nobody knows whether it's profitable or not because MS has not told anyone the numbers so I would not presume to know how much is being made. What I do know is that MS don't pull the full amount for each subscription and we are at the beginning of the GamePass journey so people having concerns about how it turns out after the honeymoon period is perfectly acceptable.
I have played both Forza and Gears because as I have said I DO have an XSX and GP. Gears to me is mediocre garbage whereas Forza Horizon is actually very good. I'd be more interested in Fable and Avowed but it will be years before those are released and if thats all that interests me then by the time I get to play those games I would be expected to pay over £200 which isn't worth it for two games for me.
The model works for some but not for all. Pull your head out of your backside thinking GamePass is a one size fits all because it isn't.
Re: Reaction: Xbox Game Pass Is the Thorn in PS5's Side
@LocalPenguin I have all these things too in my 30's but I don't share your thoughts on this. Its not about paying the least amount of money it's about playing games you want to play. This is a very one dimensional viewpoint.
Gaming is my hobby and I will play what I want to play not what I want to pay. For some that's not a choice I get that and I am fortunate to have that choice. I choose my own games and don't want a subscription to choose for me. You can't compartmentalise people the way you are suggesting.
Re: Reaction: Xbox Game Pass Is the Thorn in PS5's Side
@Otherbarry everybody wants to get games cheap but nobody wants to play cheap games.
This is my issue with GamePass if it is to follow suit of Netflix. There are a few good shows on there but mostly it is s**t. This worried me with with development of games. You remove the carrot why put all the effort in. You only need enough to keep people subscribed. Same with PS Now.
I bought 3 years if GP in November when I got my XSX. Nothing has tickled my fancy yet (largely due to my playstation backlog). I played a little bit of Ori and a little bit of that dwarf mining game which was OK. Its good that all these titles will be there day one but all the other garbage in between isn't worth it at least for me.
Re: Talking Point: Did You Enjoy the Square Enix Presents Showcase?
I thought it was OK but I kind of expected there to be no news on FFR2 or FF16. With them being exclusive we are probably going to see at least FF16 at the next Sony show.
Why the hell would they send the original games to Steam and Mobile and not consoles... I've been wanting 1-6 in one place forever.
Re: Actually, PlayStation Boss Jim Ryan Doesn't Hate Old Games
@Tharsman agreed. Both him and Phil Spencer just need to walk away from the spotlight. They are both snakes.
Re: Reaction: Partnerships Show PlayStation Empowering Creators, And Avoiding an Acquisition War
@mucc I mean that wasn't my argument at all. Bethesda needed MS to buy them is what I said so no idea how your response is directed at me. And yes I agree with you about MS and its brute force approach. It is basically buying friends.
Re: Reaction: Partnerships Show PlayStation Empowering Creators, And Avoiding an Acquisition War
It's all good news. Developers getting funding to realise their vision and I get to play them at some point in the future. My reaction is 👍
Re: Reaction: Partnerships Show PlayStation Empowering Creators, And Avoiding an Acquisition War
@MaseSco it would only be reversed for the serious fanboys. If Sony bought Bethesda I would think it was a waste considering the quality of their games the last few years. They needed someone to turn then around which is why it made sense for MS to do this. The only issue is MS don't have the greatest track record for turning developers around either.
Maybe ES6 and Starfield will help turn them around who knows but I think a lot of people overestimate how important western RPG's are to the Playstation community. I like a good western RPG but would prefer a JRPG any day of the week. Of course I'm not saying that people don't play them but I don't see the Bethesda line up as system sellers for most.
Re: Sony Announces Partnership with Deviation Games to Make New IP
@-Sigma- yes more JRPG development and there is a gap for western RPG too that they could potentially fill.
Re: Gallery: Elden Ring Screenshots Are a Sight to Behold
@Icey664 do you jump on the Fifa announcements and complain that it's another football game? Commenting on the games that you don't like just to winge about them is probably not doing your health any good. Maybe avoid those negative interactions if you can eh?
Strange comments aside I think this looks great. Hopefully it was worth the wait but looks like they are expanding on the traditional souls formula to bring something more expanded which could be interesting.
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Has 60FPS, Ray Tracing Mode at Launch
@Porco hopefully that's not the case! I am sure it will take off but given the pandemic I think it will be longer than we would have hoped. I think with the generational leap getting smaller with each new console we will see more of these blurred lines between generations. Probably more like the PC gaming scene, same games just better hardware. That's what we are seeing with the PS5 right now I think. Faster storage, compute etc.
Re: New Battlefield Game Teases Flood Social Media
@xRetrox my thoughts exactly...
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Has 60FPS, Ray Tracing Mode at Launch
@Porco I agree with you and I think I was generalising with my comment rather than specifically talking about Sony. There are tons of games that have been on both last gen and current gen across the third party spectrum. Even games like The Force Unleashed was released across both PS2 and PS3 but had features missing due to the lack of power. Fifa 13 was released for PS2 in 2012! 6 years after the PS3 released.
I am not saying that people do not feel disheartened by the lack of exclusivity at this point but having the expectation that a business would sacrifice over 90% of its consumers by making the majority of their offerings exclusive are woefully misinformed.
My advice to those people is to continue the PS4 generation which is still alive and kicking until the offerings suit their requirements.
Re: Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Has 60FPS, Ray Tracing Mode at Launch
@Arugula @Richnj as a PS5 owner I don't feel alienated in any way shape or form. HZD and GoW should come out on PS4 100% and I love that.
My PS5 is me set for the future but I make certain gains on games like spiderman HZD, GoW with the performance upgrades which is great. I am playing Spiderman Remastered now and it's excellent.
As for expectations there isn't anything new going on here. We've had it every generation. You don't just suddenly switch off support for over 100 million people in your player base. Once more consoles are adopted it will shift to more stuff being PS5 only but until then it makes zero sense to have everything exclusive. Cross gen will allow them to close the gap and still reap in the finances needed to fund the next game.
Nobody has been forced to buy next gen and people can still stick to their PS4 and can still sell their PS5 for some margin at places like CEX.
Anyone who went into this generation expecting a hard stop on PS4 game development needs to take their head for a wobble because that's not really how it works.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 377
Just Mass Effect for me and a little bit of ffx-2 platinum (Trema at this point).
Re: Don't Hold Your Breath for Bethesda's Starfield on PS5, PS4
I don't know enough about this game even if I did care so don't really know what I'm missing???
If I hadn't been so disappointed with the last few Bethesda games I think I would have a bigger reaction. Only time will tell...
Re: Sony on Upcoming PS5 Games: Wait Until You See What's Coming from Our Third-Party Partners
@nessisonett I hate timed exclusivity too but they have every right if the developer/publisher is willing to accept money to put it in a single place for a timed period.
We should be pointing our fingers at the developer/publisher for putting those rights on sale in the first place.
Re: Leaked Document Reveals Xbox's Opinion of The Last of Us 2
@nessisonett I agree. I saw the review and I thought is was very fair.
Re: Sony Sold 58.4 Million PS5, PS4 Exclusives Last Year
@BansheeNorn all of the PS5 exclusives are exclusive to PS5. How can a "PS5 exclusive" be on PS4 or PC? Assuming you are meaning PlayStation exclusives (sorry if I'm being pedantic) then some are on PC, PS4 and PS5 either as upgrades or b/c. But that's not the argument. A console player might not want a PC and his point was that there are exclusives on PlayStation not available on other platforms which there are. That sir is fact. Just like you cannot play Halo on a PS. GamePass is MS's golden ticket to drive its customer base just like Sonys fans are driven by the quality of its exclusives. This is pretty much very widely known and accessible information right now.
Two very different approaches to the market. There is no one size fits all (thank god).
Re: Sony Sold 58.4 Million PS5, PS4 Exclusives Last Year
@BrainHacker I'm 100% behind you on that statement it is a great addition but it's not the reason I buy next gen. So many stones are thrown at Sony and Nintendo for lack of backwards compatability but they are still selling more than MS . It is very clear to me that backwards compatibility is not the main driver behind buyer behaviour.
Re: Sony Sold 58.4 Million PS5, PS4 Exclusives Last Year
@BansheeNorn the guy who wrote this got called out by the guy he wrote it about and the Head of PS Studios. Sackboy, Returnal, Dreams and Asto Bot are clear indicators that this isn't the case.
I can smell xbox fanboy all over you. I don't understand why you fanboys invade comments boards like this. You reek of salt.
Your xbox might be able to play backwards compatible games but that unfortunately is Microsofts sad excuse for not being able to deliver new and innovative games. Might as well continue to deliver the past if you can't deliver the future.