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@zhoont clever, but really messed up. Don't joke about that stuff man.

Oh nice. I bought the first one ages ago on PS4. Loved it. Character was pretty original in my opinion, really cool design and voice acting.

Never got around to the second one. This will get me to pick it up sooner now. Glad it's doing well enough to get more pumped out.

@RainbowGazelle Not going to lie, this post had me question if I read that right. That's an insane deal lol. Awesome find.

God, I can't imagine how bad the sales numbers for the next Xbox are going to be. I don't think they'll even bother with some markets, maybe leave some altogether.

What would impressive numers be? If the Next Xbox is $1000 or more?

700 a week at $500-600 each is sad. 700 a week at a MSRP of $1000? Would that be impressive?

Good on Sony for sure.

@Stevemalkpus I figured it was them, a lot of people lately have been aiming at MSFT for owning a big stake in Open AI. Same boat I suppose.

Tragically the US government is just a puppet to corporations now. I know that makes me sound like a tin foil hat guy, I know lol.

Until the 1950s the corporate tax rate here was roughly 70% iirc. Now? It's like 26% with more write off/tax loophole you could ever count. We used to walk in a break up monopolies constantly. AT&T, and three others came out of a big beak up the US Gov. Forced. Now though? Companies get what they want. All Open AI has to do, is slide an envelope over the tab, and no one will stop them.

Perfect example, is our military. When I was in the Army the old timers, and a lot of higher ups, put it bluntly. We are everywhere now, not for peace, but for business. Are promise of protection, gets US companies favorable deals.

It's just business, and no one in the Gov, is immune to a nice sack O' Cash. Even if they did "force rationing", they couldn't make it fair. Hundreds of thousands of US based companies need ram. Who gets what percentage? I'd love to see it happen, but it won't.

@Northern_munkey yep lol. At least its the modern day? Could be worse, like medical knowledge pre 1800s worse.

@Boxmonkey Yeah man. Do what you want, but don't throw a hissy fit. At the end of the day, these are just video games.

@Northern_munkey In the U.S. sure, if you don't mind having debt forever. Idk everything about the healthcare setup in the U.K. in truth, but id say you are waaaaay better off.

I get it's not amazing, and has a ton of red tape or wait times. If you want to love it though, look up costs here in the states lol.

A typical bill for having a baby? Around $20,000. Some can be 30k.

Ambulance bills... Idk if you have to pay for them, we do. The bill for a "Woo Woo Wagon, is some times worse than the ER bill.

3 years ago, had a ambulance take me from work, to the nearby hospital. A 17 mile drive mind you, and I was stuck paying $900 out of pocket. That's after insurance knocked it down from $2400.

Random venting on my part. Still. It's a double edged sword. Yeah Long life, but a long life of bills that only get bigger and happen more often.

@SeaDaVie I'm just a few years shy of the same age. I think at this age gaming in general has taken a back burner to life. I still have my launch Series X. But it's just a thing on my myshlf now. I think the PS5 has done great, I never bought one though. I think the Xbox failures, and the way the industry has changed has just turned me off to gaming a bunch.

I think age was a bigger thing for me honestly. Everyone I know around our age still games ton. I just ended up focusing on other hobbies more.

I'm hoping to snag a PS5 down the road, it's very clear it's a great system to most here. Just need to balance my hobbies a bit more.

@Stevemalkpus its not really one Companies fault. Not defending MSFT if that's who you were refering to.

It's many many many people. Ultimately it's kind of on the main manufacturers. SK Hynix, Samsung, and Micron. They could temp. Ramp up production, but they won't. They can now sit back and enjoy the bidding wars. Idk the number, but hundreds of thousand of companies, not just AI ones, need ram. Finance dept pays what y have to, and write it off as a business expense. They get reimbursed, so they don't care what it costs, which keeps Samsung and the other raising the prices.

Also, these manufacturers are all foreign. Not a lot the gov. Can do tbh. In order to enforce a limit on purchases, they'd have to utilize some form of war time legal "survival mode" type mandate.

And the U.S. is very much beholden to CEOs and Lobbyists. Money talks.

@omadeli The Kinnect idea was good on paper, I will say sometimes they can truly see things on the horizon. Still, no one I knew wnted it forced on them.

The No/ Yes on used games was a massive swing and a miss. I will acknowledge that it sort of leaned into the "Support the devs" type talk. They were making that a feature, but it was actally up to each dev/ publisher if they wanted to opt in. I read they could either say no thanks, all the time, or only some titles use it. Ether way 2013, was still a long ways away from the digital only end point we're headed to.

The exclusives were also a weird let down. In truth (ignoring the pc porting dicision), they did have a good amount. They just weren't very good lol. Whoever was signing the checks for content, had a terrible eye for them.

Ryse, Ori, Dead Rising 3, Forza Motorsport 5, Titanfall, killer instinct, and sunset Overdrive were all great. The rest ? Total crap.

I gave a bunch of them honest attempts. Big one I remember was Recore. The game had 10 minute stretches that could be great fun, then bland for an hour.

As the Console began to fall behind, they just stopped caring. They had great ones at the start, but the majority were just garbage. First year I was on PS4, I really wondered if I jumped ship in error. Ultimately saw I made the right choice.

The Xbox One launch screwed my gaming group up as well. 2 to PS4, 2 stayed on Xbox, one didn't like either option lol, and 3 built PCs.

@omadeli I jumped ship from the 360 to the ps4. It truly was a world above the Xbox one. With that being said though, Sony won, but Xbox did 80% percent of the work.

It like two fit, healthy guys fighting on the sidewalk. Toe to toe, then Xbox trips, falls in the path of a big bus. They then refuse to listen to any of the advise they received. Slowly they're injuries only got worse and more fatal. Never taking a moment to plan and heal, they just ignore th damage and kept swinging.

So yeah Sony WON, but all they did was let Xbox die and bleed out. Sony certainly bruised them, but Xbox finished themselves off.

It does make me chuckle though, in regards to the Kinect. Back then, it being bundled in annoyed us for the added cost, and the privacy concerns about a mandatory microphone in the house.

Now though? Pretty much everyone has Gemini, Alexa, Siri, Bixby. In some way, at home or in their pocket. You can turn it off, like you could have done with Xbox Kinect. The amount of people who trust the device at home or phone their pocket ISN'T actually listening is just crazy to think about.

@Oram77 Bullied kinda lol. They had 1 option, that made a 1080p disc like Blu-ray, really had no choice. I think they were kinda screwed eithe way tbh. Not offer a better option to the fan base, or go with the only other option which was a much worse technology.

Picture was fine, but the disc could only hole like 60%? Of what a Blu-ray could. A lot of movies were multi disc due to that format. I think they saw the backlash over the red ring of death, and figured a least try something.

@Robocod Yeah for sure.

@Vaako007 I'm going to assume you're talking about the United States and taiwan. With the whole semiconductor situation not only were the Taiwanese government planners just really good at picking industries to focus on, America spent 30 years not bothering to invest in those sectors. So it is really the US and no other country to blame.

Taiwan not wanting to really give up the semiconductor situation is mainly for defense. The US government needs those chips and we're not ready to make them ourselves so we need taiwan, Taiwan doesn't mind that because they have our protection now. But as soon as those chips are made in the US why would the us then go to war over taiwan.

That's the main gist with the two countries. The AI situation is absolutely ridiculous I'm not a fan of it at all, and I absolutely dislike it more than crypto mining and nfts and I didn't think that was possible.

For any history nerds in here... Taiwan is actually the "Republic of China". They're were pushed off the mainland during the civil war.

The chinese Govt, is actually a political party.

Like the Republicans, or Dems, or Torries. Crazy stuff. Anywhoo, history facts.

@Oram77 I get not seeing them do that. $500's been the starting price for close to 20 years o so.
Let's be honest. Think of, Steam, Nintendo, Sony, Xbox as car companies. Even grocery stores, whatever you want.

Ignore nintendo for this. If msft and steam announce new stores to visit, but the entrance fees expensive, you'll stick to the cheaper store.

Now though... If store A and B are charging $1000 to get inside, why would Store C only charge $500? They "Own you" with digital libraries, and years of being a premium device.

Now they can pick a price between $500- $1000 or more. Who's to say they are in the wrong?

I know if I was the only hamburger not charging $40 for a cheeseburger, id raise it to $30 a burger. I'd make more while still being the cheaper option.

@Oram77 idk if anyone can knock Microsoft for that one. Toshiba made HD-DVD. Sony wasn't going to allow Blu-ray lasers in Xboxes. Microsoft was left with Toshiba as the only upgraded media option.

They truly shouldn't have bothered. The fans would have lost their mind though. Sony ended up making money of the licensing fees to.

*Edit: Not joking, DVD to Blu-ray mainly came down to the Lazer being blue instead of red lol.

A ton of science behind it but that's the jist.

@Oram77 it's going to be expensive lol. They want money, and don't have competition anymore. Like I mentioned before... When Xbox sells their next console for$1000 or $1200, why should/would Sony stay at$500? We're not friends, we're the people they squeeze money out of.

People have shown they're willing to pay $700 for a console now. I wouldnt be shocked if that was the base PS6 MSRP at launch. Then remember, last time Xbox had scalpers too.

All those scalpers and bots are going to focus on PS only this next time. Sonya going to make a KILLING.

@Gr8VngnzN4esAngr Oh wait. Like when they couldn't photo up that characters skirt?

Silent Hill I think?

@Gr8VngnzN4esAngr lol what? Sorry I don't follow video games much anymore. What do you mean?

@LogicStrikesAgain you aren't in the wrong at all for looking and comparing.

I'd add this, and not in a argumentative manner either.
Steam has big specific sales each year. The weekly or monthly are never too amazing. The genre specific are. They do a big FPS one each year, that one is incredible. It's the big ones that blow you away.

Cdkeys is legit. They've been around for 15 years maybe? I've used them a few times, maybe 6 times. Mainly for window 11 keys, helping family update PCs. The game codes are legitimate.

The big thing is this... PC gives you choices. You can basically window shop on, idk 6 stores, and find a nice price. PSN it's take it r leave it.

I've stated before, a person shouldn't ruin something for anyone else. If you aren't blown away/impressed/excited then so be it. I'd hope a person doesn't trash talk something they have never used or experienced before. Some people here may be excited, and allow the comments to ruin it for them.

Just like movie reviews and scores, you have to try it and see.

I was a god awful Sony fan boy during the PS4 era. Cringe level, no life, loser lever fanboy.

I don't play on pc because it's BETTER THAN ANYTHING!!!. I do because I like cutting edge/ modding/ and the freedom.

I say if it's not your jam, so be it you know? Let's see though, they could have a great little box, and a lot of unwarranted hate.

@Bamila You can already do this lol.

@TheArt so a comment I keep seeing is " I can spend that money on a better GPU".

With PC you have to juggle the bottleneck. Youre held back by either your GPU/RAM/ or CPU.

If I have a 10 year old CPU, I'm wasting money if I buy a $750 GPU, and do not update the CPU too. You WILL have a small boost in Performance, but you have to make sure the CPU and GPU are a great pair to each other. You can veryclearly see that a lot of those against it, have never built/ or maintained a PC. Most haven't even used steam besides scrolling the store out of curiosity.

CPU and GPU have to compliment each other. A 5090 GPU isn't going to help if your computer is 15 years for example.

With the Steam Prices, no one said 100% are cheaper. The main thing, is the wishlist, whic can provide personalized discounts. And second the 3rd party stores.

I have to buy the games at PSN prices, no matter what. On PC I have idk 10 places to shop for example. The steam vs PSN prices is a dump thing to point to. Unless you do it with PSN VS Steam/ gog/cdkeys/epic/greenmangaming etc. UNLESS that happens, your not actually comparing anything IMHO.

Also the big sales are 4 times a year. Some random day in Nov. Isn't going to be a great example.

@Nakatomi_Uk I think a bunch are honestly threatened by it. Plain and simple.

@tselliot Didn't you see? It only sold 3 million something.

Not 80 gazillion-billion-trillion!!! Ignore it.

If it doesn't sell Sony console numbers, it's a Automatic flop. Just a terrible take.

I think we can all ageee, Microsoft doesn't care anymore. Forget Xbox exists lol. Sony can now be the only premium console to choose, without any competition. So yay?

@DonkeyFantasy last year I snagged 32gb Corsair Vengeance 3200. Paid $64 after tax at Best buy, no sales either. 3 weeks ago I saw the same kit for $121.00. I hadnt been aware of the price issues unl that point. And oh my God lol i messed up by waiting. It's still 32gb with a killer XMP profile on the Bios. Just wow though, didn't think I'd see that happen you know.

@ilyn Jesus lol. I deleted the whole post. I'm way too asleep for math. The whole time as I was running numbers I knew something felt off.
Thank you and yeah $480... Much better lol

@KoopaTheGamer yeah you definitely can install windows. It'll be worse at that point for sure. Without running a script to edit a ton in the registry, it'll be a bloated mess. A tool like the "Titus" or the WinDevloat11 helps but a windows update can reset the changes. It's just pointless to bother.

I see where your coming from. I see the hard line issues that either classification of it can leave a person to deal with.

I will say this. Its GPU specs place it right at a 2080 Super a nearly 7 year old GPU. So no, not amazing lol. A video I watched today titled "2080 tested in 2025!" did impress me tbh. In Lies of P, No upscaling, at Native 1440p High settings, it managed an average of 125 fps. In 1080p it averages 190. In GOW Ragnarok, 1440p native, high settings it averages 105fps. In 1080p native it averaged 145fps.

So it is "weak" compared to new cards, but the specs suggest it can actually hit the standard sought by most of 60fps, no problem.
We shall see I guess.

You mention " not every game is compatible" and that's a issue with proton in general. Devs/or Steam need to work on the game a bit.

I just checked, and it shows that over 19,000 games are playable on steam deck, which means they'd play on steamOS and the Steam Machine. It's not EVERY game no, but it's a ton. I can't see where a person wouldn't be able to find or enjoy something that's available to them.

I don't mean to argue, I think the mods have dealt with it enough today (myself being removed earlier too).

Anyways, it is capable it seems of at least hitting some great graphics settings. Which will only be better on games less demanding than those I mentioned above. It will also have a ton of games available out the gate.

I agree with many here. It's shortcomings are a concern. We will have to wait I suppose. I think that not having ANY of it be upgradable is a really dumb mistake. You can tell with that they really are aiming for the most laid back casuals in existence. Even PS5 only gamers know that SSD Upgrades are an almost necessary thing to be able to do now.

Good chat. I hope it does well, only time will tell.

@twitchtvpat The same can be said about consoles though? You can't upgrade them either. Without Devs actively optimizing each title, they would end up running terribly.

It's completely feasible that the steam machine will have its own "Dev Kit", like the Steam Deck.

I understand your concern of course, please know that I do acknowledge it's a valid worry to have. However I see this as a Android vs IOS type situation.

IOS apps are always better, more polished, since IOS is very limited on what devices run it, and the devs can focus on a specific group of devices only.

Android is super spread out running on THOUSANDS of different handsets and Android versions. The App developers can't ensure the app works great with everything. Some big namesdo get attention though, Samsung for example.

So I think of PC like android, it can be hit or miss, based on hardware. Steam Machine can be seen as a sort of IOS setup. 1 maybe 2 configurations, making optimization a heck of a lot easier.

So again it's true, you can't upgrade the hardware. Th devs can and most likely will, optimize for Steam Machine as time goes on.

@EfYI Not to be pedantic lol, but it'll be on TWO platforms at launch.

Jokes aside, don't forget a lot of people don't deal with FOMO, or feel the excitement for things like launches. GTA is going to be insane fun, some don't mind waiting though. Stating his stupidity knows no bounds, is a bit much.

@InJeffable most of the OG ones in 2015 were $400 to $600. So $650 or even $700 is pretty great, we shall see.

I agree with some comments above. A massive amount of commenters, really want thist o be a new console war.

Nintendo's on its own, Microsoft failed 2 gens ago. Most here seem to be realizing that Sony can and most likely WILL take advantage of this.

Why should they keep the console MSRP low, when they aren't battling Xbox? Why not raise prices here, or there. Why bother with any future disc drive consoles?

Idk if you remember the Vita much, I do. Sony chose to make proprietary Memory cards, and my god were they expensive. Thought MSFT was bad with the expantion cads? Look at what Sony was charging.

Ps Vita TV. Wouldn't play half? Maybe 40%? Of Vita games. They legit said nope, that's for Portable Vita only.

After they stopped making them, someone figured out how to unlock the blacklist. You could email a text file to yourself, and it would remove the lock. And guess what? Sony kept patching it, to prevent that. These games weren't priated, these were the actual on card fully legit games. For absolutely no reason at all.

Sony has chosen to do crummy things in the past. Not having competition, will increase the money grab ing antics.

That seems to truly sare some of those here. Next Xbox might be $1200? Why should they price the ps6 a $500? Why stop there? Why not enjoy that new amount of wiggle room in where to price it.

Sorry, don't blame MSFT. Don't seek out new competitors. Accept the fact it's over, Xbox is finally irrelevant, and Sony has nothing keeping them in check now.

@nomither6 This. A lot of this here want to win the console war. Well Sony won, we all know it. Steam machine isn't trying to compete.

You don't want it? Don't buy it.

@kmtrain83 No lol, you dont.

SteamOS is it's own operating system. You shouldn't need to change anything. You can opt to add some "add ons" to allow for new features.

You do not need to do or learn anything extra at all.

What I was referring to was different versions of Linux.

1. You have Linux.
2. You have many different modified versions, with different apps included, or different themes.
3. On top you have two main "Skins" or Desktop Environments.

• Gnome
• KDE Plasma.

You can either download a full/ prepackaged OS of either one.

Or you can "Distro Hop". Where you try one, and change it out for a different flavor.

It's really not hard honestly. And I'm saying that as someone who tried it on a whim one winter day. Steam OS does not require anything extra by the user.

@SeaDaVie that that is correct. I should have clarified... That a 2080, a nearly 7 year old card... Yada yada yada.

@McSavage yeah no problem man lol. Glad you have it sorted, your reply shows you know what your doing lol. I've used Linux for around 8 years now, but only Mint cinnamon. About 2 years ago I started divingn into KDE Plasma more. I just installed KDE Fedora last night too switched out Kubuntu.

Not a genius with it, but it's a ton easier than some would believe. Hopefully Steam OS allows for better integrations in the future too. I heard Retroarch can even be loaded through the steam app now.

@McSavage I think the average person will like it tbh. It'll be a great first rig.

With the Steam os issues, have you used the command line to update anything? Switch to desktop mode, try running a sudo prompt.

If not maybe swap it out, I run Bazzite on a ITX build with Decky installed.

You can always get the Steam OS image and reformat. I'd try the prompt first, might need to sync so a back end repository. Usually faster too. Then maybe re-image to Bazzite with Decky Front end.

@Toot1st how? How will it be outdated?

What are we comparing it too?

@Neonix the mods are my favorite. Adding Ray tracing to just about every game I can now lol. Msft screwed up not adding ray tracing to mine craft. So I added it myself lol.

I used Marty's mod and reshade to add raytracing to Metro 1 and 2 as well.

@UltimateOtaku91 I reread your original statement, I better see now what you were getting at.

I'm just surprised at the amount of commenters here that aren't aware of what older cards can do. A RTX 2070 or 2080 still runs lapse around PS5 and Series X.

I'm pretty sure that's what the stea machines are going to amount to, a side rig, or basic starting point. Steam couldn't care less about sony or Xbox.

@Bizzy for sure. And I'm all for this. Ive seen people talk of the OG steam machine being a flop. It absolutely was. It was a flop do to the lack of supported games. They did not have Proton back then.

Also the cost comparison with consoles. Sony heavily subsided the cost for a lower selling point. They also have the power to buy bulk parts at super disconted rates.

Steam isn't going to subsidize this thing. They can't force you to buy from only them. How much would the PS5 be if Sony didn't subsidize it?

Third, the 70% noted, for the steam user specs.

Somone here called it a secret that's been leaked, the truth is out now type deal. It's not, they report that every single year lol.

Also a lot of non pc gamers seem to fail at understanding memory interface sizes.

A 4060 "base" with only 8g of vram, runs the same as a 4060 TI overclock Edition which has 16gb.

The 4060 TI runs games roughly 4% better, even with TWICE the ram. Why? How?

Because the two cards are limited to 128bit interfaces, that's why... See 8gb is more powerful than 16gb, when given a higher bit interface.

160, 192, 256, 320... Those are the bit that you want to see. So the steamc machine "only" having 8gb means nothing. If it's 192bit it's going to be better than 16gb at 128 or lower.

Ignore the 8gb spec for the love of God lol.

The AMD 3DX CPU has a IGPU. And I've seen people play BF6 at high settings and hit 78-89fps. Most console only gamers, REALLY REALLY do not know what they are talking about.

@Flaming_Kaiser You do know that even Sony says you do not own the games you buy right? The terms of service are like any others, your buying access. The only seller without ANY DRM is Gog.com.

They do not force a storefront or launcher. You can download, keep offline forever. They even advise you to burn the game to a disc for safe keeping.

Can't diss steam and act like Sony is better. I loved my PS4 Launch ed., my PS4 Pro, my Vita, and my PS3. I do hold sony in high regards, but to act like they are any different than steam is ridiculous.

@UltimateOtaku91 Why would PC players leave powerful PCs, to the weaker Steam Machine? Then leave that to a PS console, that is weaker than the PC they originally left? Who would possibly do that lol?

They should allow for "stereoscopic 3d".

On some phones, and mainly PC, you can use psvr to turn non-VR games in vr. It's not in depth worlds like true VR, but it turns the game 3d. So it's as if all the characters were there on a table in front of you. Things like crash bandicoot, Mario 64, GOWR, are so much more fun that way. They'd probably sell more headsets if they simpy made that a thing. They just need to show the same image to both eyes at the same time. Trinus on PC can do it, and that's free. Idk why Sony hasn't done something like that. Really would make the headset waaaay more worthwhile having.

@Toot1st what do GAAS have to do with putting 1st party IP on sub day one? I'm referencing Xbox screwing their sales, by doing that. IDGF about GAAS.

@UltimateOtaku91 Xbox scewed up by putting the games on game pass. Sony isn't that dumb. If sonys console base starts shrinking what should they do? Ignore it? They should accept the future, and move on. They can maintain now but will need to open up a bit.