@LordBakemono said the guy calling everyone "Karen" π Tell me how I'm supposed to take you seriously, buddy π
Your reply is on another level of ignorance and submission, really. Keep being satisfied with whatever crap you're given, but don't lower other people's standards to your incredibly low bar, please.
One has to be really narrow-minded to shout haphazardly "just don't buy them", as if history hadn't already taught us that this kind of mechanic always end up impacting everyone by artificially extending the grind for anyone who doesn't cough up.
These things have no place in games, especially full price releases. Period.
I mean, it's not like you can pump out average tier games with horrible names like Various Daylife (or outright trainwrecks like Forspoken), and expect them to sell like the latest Final Fantasy.
@stayawake "Have you ever thought that people just donβt like these forced agendas on society? Maybe you clowns should consider that reality?"
Erm...here? What are you even going on about? Can you read your own comments before accusing me of not reading them? Btw I'm not gonna waste any more of my time on you, have a good one.
Yeah expected cause you're a PS site, but there's no way GOW:R is a more influential game than ER. ER pushes the boundaries of games, while GOW:R, if it's any similar to the first, doesn't. There is simply no way.
Yeah, because what gaming is in dire need of is aping other media, as if their games weren't rote enough from a gameplay standpoint π€¦πΌββοΈ The sad things is casuals will still call their games "the pinnacle of the industry" or some nonsense like that, just because they have beautiful graphics and a well-acted story, while the gameplay side of things languishes in a corner.
I mean, the first game wasn't original or interesting enough to warrant a single sequel, let alone a trilogy. Truly one of the most overrated series ever.
I really don't understand the "well deserved" and pats on the back CDPR is receiving. So we've all forgotten the scam they pulled at launch? I'm not saying the devs didn't work their a***s off to make it finally playable more than a year after launch (when it should've been at launch), cause they did, but do you think they are the ones reaping the rewards of this sales milestones? Cause the ones doing that are exactly the same managers who pulled the scam in the first place. So no, not well deserved in the slightest.
@gollumb82 so you got around to playing Prey? Let me know how you find it π
This weekend I'll probably just go with Splatoon 3 since there's the first Splatfest! Hype! Someday I'll also manage to finish Elden Ring, but it might be next year if I keep up this pace lol
@Ukpukk ok dude, you have already decided that I'm wrong and my opinion isn't valid cause I went in with a negative mindset, ok. Never mind that I'd been super hyped for CP2077 as my comment history can confirm. You seem like a nice guy and I don't wanna sound rude but I'm having a really hard time having a serious discussion with you to be perfectly honest, seeing as you're dealing in "if's" and not what actually happened. Have a good one.
@Ukpukk I'm not sure why you keep assuming things, but I did not play it at launch. I played it on my Series X after the 1.5 patch dropped, so I managed to play it at a (mostly) stable frame rate, which let me assess the game at its best, and I still came away thoroughly disappointed.
I liked it, don't get me wrong, I never said it's a bad game, but it's a pretty lousy RPG, that's what I'm saying.
But ok, if you insist I missed out on something I'm sure you are the one in the right ππ»
Regarding the last point, erm, no, CP2077 wasn't that well received. Push Square for example gave it a 3.
Prey wasn't as well received as it should've mainly because of the name and the expectations that went with it, it's pretty well documented.
Lastly, I don't put much stock at all in reviews, I find analyses and critiques to be much more useful in assessing the actual quality of a game. A review, by its short format nature, can't amount to much more than an advice on whether a game, intended as a product, is worth buying to you or not, while a critique's job is to analyze a game and its design in a much deeper way, as the piece of art it is.
Check out the numerous retrospectives on Prey online and you'll see that the consensus is that it's a mistreated masterpiece that deserved better reception.
If you don't want to, trust me, I've spent who knows how many hours indulging in Prey-related content.
Also Prey was never, like Arkane's other games, meant to have mass appeal like CP2077 was always supposed to, and that entails, as is often the case, that CP2077 is a much shallower and less focused game.
@gollumb82 I haven't played Mass Effect nor the new AC games, so I cannot comment on those. The things you say about AC though sound to me like they would be rather poor RPG's. It's not that if everyone calls them RPG's then they're automatically good RPG's, that's a non-sequitur. Excited for you to play Prey, hope you enjoy it as much as I did! Have fun!
@Ukpukk I said it sold gangbusters, which means it sold a lot. How you managed to gather the exact opposite from that is beyond me, seriously.
I'm not denying myself anything, as I've played CP2077, so I'm not sure what you're hinting at.
And yeah, Prey is a masterpiece, by virtue of being one of the best immersive sims of all time. Cyberpunk, though, for as much as it would like to also be an immersive sim, is an RPG, so I'm not sure what you're comparing them for. They're different games from different genres.
@gollumb82 and is it the fans' fault that the main (and for 14+ months only) version was a disaster? At this point you're just sounding apologetic simply because you like the game.
As for the rest, I am into cyberpunk and I found the setting and some of the worldbuilding (along with the writing in general) to be by far the best parts of the game. The game being average is not subjective though, you just have to compare it to other games on the market in the same genre and you'll see that CP2077, as an RPG, falls flat on its face. It's a decent action adventure game, but the RPG systems are quite poorly implemented and in deep conflict with all the other systems they wanted to put in the game to make it the definitive game. It doesn't work as an RPG, nor as an immersive sim, nor as a GTA clone, and that's exactly because they tried to do all of it at once. Lastly, I found the game to be well written, but philosophical in any way? Absolutely not. This game to me is exactly the kind of mindless entertainment you're talking about, nothing more than that. It had a few interesting themes, but nothing really deep. As you said, heavier games tend to not sell well because they put the average person off, but this game sold gangbusters and is widely appreciated by a lot of "casual" gamers, so I'm not sure where you take that from.
@gollumb82 can you blame those you call "fans" for slighting it though? It was hyped up to be this revolutionary game to end all games, and in the end all we got was an incredibly buggy, broken mess, and underneath it an average at best RPG with conflicting game design philosophies that make it less than the sum of its parts.
@Akurusu well, entertaining doesn't mean anything goes. I like things that are structured to make sense and have some kind of logic to them, not this kind of random BS thrown together because "A: popular, B: popular, then A+B: mega popular". If you thought "but it's entertainment" was a gotcha, I'm sorry but it isn't.
Also you don't have to worry about me, I just finished my shift and I'm gonna have a whale of a time with Elden Ring, but thanks regardless π
I mean, I already hate the concept of crunch, but especially if you're wasting people's lives on useless details that won't even be noticeable most of the time (if they even make it into the final release). A sh*tshow all around.
Wow, why am I not surprised at how entitled and outright horrible many people are in here towards their fellow workers? This community really depresses me sometimes.
@Quintumply obviously I understand that, but that's just marketing, not a crossover motivated by some kind of affinity between these two properties or anything. It's exactly that that irks me about crossovers these days.
@riceNpea I know, I know. Still doesn't make any sense though.
It's always comforting when decisions are taken on the basis of profitability over artistic intent, isn't it?! At least he was honest π€·πΌββοΈ
First it was Fortnite, then Space Jam 2, then Multiversus, and now this. Boy do I hate meaningless, nonsense, profit-driven crossovers like this! What do football and superheroes have to do with each other?
The last time R* did anything boundary pushing was GTAIII, so we'll see. Not expecting anything more than an average, overhyped, clunky, unfunny if pretty open world game, so basically more GTAV.
@rachetmarvel maybe I haven't explained myself well, but what I mean is that people are doing those two things at the same time, in the span of a sentence or two. I'm not talking about different comments across different articles. It's enough to read the comments in here to find that do exactly that.
I always find it amazing how the people calling for "leaving the devs alone to create the game they wanna make" are without fail the same people complaining about "forced diversity". So if it's dudes all around it's a creative choice, but if there is even just one woman or POC it suddenly means they "bowed down to the woke crowd"? Talk about double standards!
It's so funny seeing fanboys tripping over themselves to move the goalposts further and further in order to justify splashing 70 (insert currency here) for this completely unnecessary remake, which costs more than the other two (!) already existing versions cost at launch, without even including the multiplayer.
"It's not a cash grab because it's Naughty Dog and they make polished stuff!"
"No, ALL games are cash grabs cause they exist to make money!"
"Wait...EVERYTHING is made to make money, therefore everything is a cash grab!"
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Re: Resident Evil 4 Fans Aren't Exactly Thrilled with Microtransactions on PS5, PS4
@LordBakemono said the guy calling everyone "Karen" π
Tell me how I'm supposed to take you seriously, buddy π
Your reply is on another level of ignorance and submission, really. Keep being satisfied with whatever crap you're given, but don't lower other people's standards to your incredibly low bar, please.
Re: Resident Evil 4 Fans Aren't Exactly Thrilled with Microtransactions on PS5, PS4
One has to be really narrow-minded to shout haphazardly "just don't buy them", as if history hadn't already taught us that this kind of mechanic always end up impacting everyone by artificially extending the grind for anyone who doesn't cough up.
These things have no place in games, especially full price releases. Period.
Re: Indie Not on PlayStation Beats PS5, PS4's Biggest Hits to BAFTA's Game of the Year
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Re: Surprise! Forspoken and Other Square Enix Games Didn't Meet Sales Expectations
I mean, it's not like you can pump out average tier games with horrible names like Various Daylife (or outright trainwrecks like Forspoken), and expect them to sell like the latest Final Fantasy.
Re: Funko Pop Tossing Over $30 Million Worth of Stock into a Landfill
If I hated Funko Pops before, then I think I despise them even more now.
Re: Naughty Dog May Move On from The Last of Us Like It Did with Uncharted
@Th3solution ahahahahahahahaha those two are both hilarious! Thanks for the laugh!
Re: Preview: Forspoken on PS5 Feels Like a Weird Tech Demo
Never expected anything good to come out of this, to be honest.
It always looked and sounded like a terrible, soulless mishmash of uninspired choices.
Re: Forspoken Continues to Divide Opinion Following PS5 Demo
@stayawake "Have you ever thought that people just donβt like these forced agendas on society? Maybe you clowns should consider that reality?"
Erm...here? What are you even going on about? Can you read your own comments before accusing me of not reading them?
Btw I'm not gonna waste any more of my time on you, have a good one.
Re: Forspoken Continues to Divide Opinion Following PS5 Demo
@stayawake what examples? That the main character is a woman of color? Seriously? Is that an agenda to you?
Re: Forspoken Continues to Divide Opinion Following PS5 Demo
@stayawake calls people clowns while complaining about "forced agendas" they can't even make an example of lol
Re: Rumour: Sci-Fi RPG from Sony Supposedly Leaked
Sony's answer to Starfield?
Re: Game of the Year: #2 - Elden Ring
Yeah expected cause you're a PS site, but there's no way GOW:R is a more influential game than ER. ER pushes the boundaries of games, while GOW:R, if it's any similar to the first, doesn't.
There is simply no way.
Re: Naughty Dog Structuring Next Major PS5 Project 'More Like a TV Show'
Yeah, because what gaming is in dire need of is aping other media, as if their games weren't rote enough from a gameplay standpoint π€¦πΌββοΈ
The sad things is casuals will still call their games "the pinnacle of the industry" or some nonsense like that, just because they have beautiful graphics and a well-acted story, while the gameplay side of things languishes in a corner.
Re: Game of the Year: #7 - Sonic Frontiers
Ok now this is getting ridiculous π this game in a GOTY list really is a bad joke lol
Re: Game of the Year: Robert's Top 5 PS5, PS4 Games of 2022
It's an opinion and all, but personally I would never award CDPR for having an average RPG finally work as intended 2 years later.
Re: Rumour: The Last of Us 3 Is In Development at Naughty Dog
I mean, the first game wasn't original or interesting enough to warrant a single sequel, let alone a trilogy.
Truly one of the most overrated series ever.
Re: Sonic Frontiers, Genshin Impact Fans at War Over Players' Voice Award
Both terrible games, one of which is not even from this year.
Just goes to show how meaningless these awards are.
Re: Development Nearly Complete for Pinnochio-Inspired Soulslike Lies of P
It's Pinocchio, not Pinnochio π
Re: The Last of Us Was 'Ahead of Its Time', Sony Wanted 'Definitive Version'
Ahead of its time ahahahahahahahahah
Wait, he's serious?
Tell me one thing that doesn't make it exactly a product of its time, from the zombies to the gameplay to everything in between.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Tops 20 Million Copies Sold
I really don't understand the "well deserved" and pats on the back CDPR is receiving.
So we've all forgotten the scam they pulled at launch?
I'm not saying the devs didn't work their a***s off to make it finally playable more than a year after launch (when it should've been at launch), cause they did, but do you think they are the ones reaping the rewards of this sales milestones? Cause the ones doing that are exactly the same managers who pulled the scam in the first place.
So no, not well deserved in the slightest.
Re: Onimusha Finally Returns... As a Netflix Anime
All I can think reading Takashi Miike's name are his cameos and name-drops in No More Heroes ahahahah
So, a Miike-directed NMH movie when? π
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 444
@gollumb82 nice, glad you're enjoying it! π
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 444
@gollumb82 so you got around to playing Prey? Let me know how you find it π
This weekend I'll probably just go with Splatoon 3 since there's the first Splatfest! Hype!
Someday I'll also manage to finish Elden Ring, but it might be next year if I keep up this pace lol
Re: The Award-Winning Outer Wilds Is Now Available on PS5, Free Upgrade for PS4 Owners
The GOAT π (nothing more to say FFS)
Re: No More Cyberpunk 2077 Expansions Planned After Phantom Liberty
@Ukpukk ok dude, you have already decided that I'm wrong and my opinion isn't valid cause I went in with a negative mindset, ok. Never mind that I'd been super hyped for CP2077 as my comment history can confirm.
You seem like a nice guy and I don't wanna sound rude but I'm having a really hard time having a serious discussion with you to be perfectly honest, seeing as you're dealing in "if's" and not what actually happened.
Have a good one.
Re: No More Cyberpunk 2077 Expansions Planned After Phantom Liberty
@Jaz007 I have it but I haven't gotten around to play it yet, so I'll reserve judgement.
I've heard that complain leveled at the game, though.
Re: No More Cyberpunk 2077 Expansions Planned After Phantom Liberty
@Ukpukk I'm not sure why you keep assuming things, but I did not play it at launch. I played it on my Series X after the 1.5 patch dropped, so I managed to play it at a (mostly) stable frame rate, which let me assess the game at its best, and I still came away thoroughly disappointed.
I liked it, don't get me wrong, I never said it's a bad game, but it's a pretty lousy RPG, that's what I'm saying.
But ok, if you insist I missed out on something I'm sure you are the one in the right ππ»
Regarding the last point, erm, no, CP2077 wasn't that well received. Push Square for example gave it a 3.
Prey wasn't as well received as it should've mainly because of the name and the expectations that went with it, it's pretty well documented.
Lastly, I don't put much stock at all in reviews, I find analyses and critiques to be much more useful in assessing the actual quality of a game. A review, by its short format nature, can't amount to much more than an advice on whether a game, intended as a product, is worth buying to you or not, while a critique's job is to analyze a game and its design in a much deeper way, as the piece of art it is.
Check out the numerous retrospectives on Prey online and you'll see that the consensus is that it's a mistreated masterpiece that deserved better reception.
If you don't want to, trust me, I've spent who knows how many hours indulging in Prey-related content.
Also Prey was never, like Arkane's other games, meant to have mass appeal like CP2077 was always supposed to, and that entails, as is often the case, that CP2077 is a much shallower and less focused game.
Re: No More Cyberpunk 2077 Expansions Planned After Phantom Liberty
@gollumb82 I haven't played Mass Effect nor the new AC games, so I cannot comment on those. The things you say about AC though sound to me like they would be rather poor RPG's.
It's not that if everyone calls them RPG's then they're automatically good RPG's, that's a non-sequitur.
Excited for you to play Prey, hope you enjoy it as much as I did! Have fun!
Re: No More Cyberpunk 2077 Expansions Planned After Phantom Liberty
@Ukpukk I said it sold gangbusters, which means it sold a lot. How you managed to gather the exact opposite from that is beyond me, seriously.
I'm not denying myself anything, as I've played CP2077, so I'm not sure what you're hinting at.
And yeah, Prey is a masterpiece, by virtue of being one of the best immersive sims of all time.
Cyberpunk, though, for as much as it would like to also be an immersive sim, is an RPG, so I'm not sure what you're comparing them for. They're different games from different genres.
Re: No More Cyberpunk 2077 Expansions Planned After Phantom Liberty
@gollumb82 and is it the fans' fault that the main (and for 14+ months only) version was a disaster? At this point you're just sounding apologetic simply because you like the game.
As for the rest, I am into cyberpunk and I found the setting and some of the worldbuilding (along with the writing in general) to be by far the best parts of the game.
The game being average is not subjective though, you just have to compare it to other games on the market in the same genre and you'll see that CP2077, as an RPG, falls flat on its face. It's a decent action adventure game, but the RPG systems are quite poorly implemented and in deep conflict with all the other systems they wanted to put in the game to make it the definitive game. It doesn't work as an RPG, nor as an immersive sim, nor as a GTA clone, and that's exactly because they tried to do all of it at once.
Lastly, I found the game to be well written, but philosophical in any way? Absolutely not. This game to me is exactly the kind of mindless entertainment you're talking about, nothing more than that. It had a few interesting themes, but nothing really deep.
As you said, heavier games tend to not sell well because they put the average person off, but this game sold gangbusters and is widely appreciated by a lot of "casual" gamers, so I'm not sure where you take that from.
Re: No More Cyberpunk 2077 Expansions Planned After Phantom Liberty
@gollumb82 can you blame those you call "fans" for slighting it though?
It was hyped up to be this revolutionary game to end all games, and in the end all we got was an incredibly buggy, broken mess, and underneath it an average at best RPG with conflicting game design philosophies that make it less than the sum of its parts.
Re: Rick and Morty Explore the Nine Realms in God of War Ragnarok Promo
@Akurusu well, entertaining doesn't mean anything goes. I like things that are structured to make sense and have some kind of logic to them, not this kind of random BS thrown together because "A: popular, B: popular, then A+B: mega popular".
If you thought "but it's entertainment" was a gotcha, I'm sorry but it isn't.
Also you don't have to worry about me, I just finished my shift and I'm gonna have a whale of a time with Elden Ring, but thanks regardless π
Re: Callisto Protocol Features 'The Most Realistic Characters You'll See in a Game', Says Dev
I mean, I already hate the concept of crunch, but especially if you're wasting people's lives on useless details that won't even be noticeable most of the time (if they even make it into the final release).
A sh*tshow all around.
Re: The Callisto Protocol's Boss Underfire for Appearing to Glorify 15 Hour Shifts
Wow, why am I not surprised at how entitled and outright horrible many people are in here towards their fellow workers?
This community really depresses me sometimes.
Re: Fans Think They've Found Naughty Dog's New IP in The Last of Us
Maybe this time they'll actually develop some decent gameplay for this setting lol
Re: Rick and Morty Explore the Nine Realms in God of War Ragnarok Promo
@Quintumply obviously I understand that, but that's just marketing, not a crossover motivated by some kind of affinity between these two properties or anything. It's exactly that that irks me about crossovers these days.
@riceNpea I know, I know. Still doesn't make any sense though.
Re: Rick and Morty Explore the Nine Realms in God of War Ragnarok Promo
What do these two properties have in common? I hate the age of mind-numbingly stupid crossovers.
Re: Mini Review: Inscryption (PS5) - The Most Unique Game You Will Play All Year
GOTY 2021 if you ask me π
Re: Bungie No Longer Removing Destiny 2 Expansions People Paid For
@NEStalgia ah, the ol' ship of Theseus conundrum!
Re: Final Fantasy 16 Producer Knows That Its Combat System Won't Satisfy Everyone
It's always comforting when decisions are taken on the basis of profitability over artistic intent, isn't it?!
At least he was honest π€·πΌββοΈ
Re: Ooh La La! SEGA Plotting Space Channel 5, Comix Zone Movies
@Sqush-Pare ???
Re: All-Time Low Prices in New PS Store Bethesda Sale
Lots of talk about Dishonored (and rightly so!), but no love for Prey? It's such a masterpiece!
Re: FIFA 23 Collaborates with Marvel for FUT Heroes in Ultimate Team
First it was Fortnite, then Space Jam 2, then Multiversus, and now this.
Boy do I hate meaningless, nonsense, profit-driven crossovers like this! What do football and superheroes have to do with each other?
Re: GTA 6 Will Set 'Creative Benchmarks' for All Entertainment
The last time R* did anything boundary pushing was GTAIII, so we'll see.
Not expecting anything more than an average, overhyped, clunky, unfunny if pretty open world game, so basically more GTAV.
Re: You're All Wrong! GTA 6 Won't Have the Franchise's First Female Protagonist
@rachetmarvel maybe I haven't explained myself well, but what I mean is that people are doing those two things at the same time, in the span of a sentence or two.
I'm not talking about different comments across different articles.
It's enough to read the comments in here to find that do exactly that.
Re: You're All Wrong! GTA 6 Won't Have the Franchise's First Female Protagonist
I always find it amazing how the people calling for "leaving the devs alone to create the game they wanna make" are without fail the same people complaining about "forced diversity".
So if it's dudes all around it's a creative choice, but if there is even just one woman or POC it suddenly means they "bowed down to the woke crowd"? Talk about double standards!
Re: The Critically Acclaimed Inscryption Hits PS5, PS4 on 30th August
GOTY last year for me!
If you can go in as blind as possible, do it!
Re: Poll: Is The Last of Us: Part 1 Really a 'Cash Grab'?
It's so funny seeing fanboys tripping over themselves to move the goalposts further and further in order to justify splashing 70 (insert currency here) for this completely unnecessary remake, which costs more than the other two (!) already existing versions cost at launch, without even including the multiplayer.
"It's not a cash grab because it's Naughty Dog and they make polished stuff!"
"No, ALL games are cash grabs cause they exist to make money!"
"Wait...EVERYTHING is made to make money, therefore everything is a cash grab!"
Never change π