Earlier this week, we got our first insight into the development of GTA 6. The game – due out in a couple of years thanks to a more tolerable working culture at developer Rockstar – will apparently plot a Bonnie & Clyde-style story in modern Miami, marking the franchise’s “first female protagonist”. Except it’s not – as pointed out by a few frustrated know-it-alls on Twitter.
We’re not talking about GTA Online’s customisable silent protagonist here either! In fact, all the way back in 1997, the original GTA had four female protagonists – however, they were absent from the PS1 version of the game, which is probable the one most of you played. The characters – Divine, Katie, Mikki, and Ulrika – all featured in the original PC release, as well as the Game Boy Color port. A further two playable female characters, Gretchen and Candy, would also later star in the GBC adaptation of GTA 2.
Of course, those original GTA games are dramatically different to the more modern releases, and the character you selected had basically zero bearing on the plot and gameplay. So, while it’s technically true that the series has had female protagonists before, we’re expecting a lot more depth from the latest game’s lead.
Still, this story should help dispel those nonsense insinuations that Rockstar has suddenly become “woke” – turns out it has been all along!
[source twitter.com, via timeextension.com]
There's nothing "woke" solely about having a female protagonist anyway... Will be great to see some humour from a female-lead perspective in a GTA title, even if they do end up removing some of its 'claws' in the humour department overall hehe (which of course they really shouldn't!)
Ah back when we didn't have a culture war to fight and people weren't obsessed with identity politics.
When people didn't really care what skin colour the protagonist was or what they had between their legs, they simply said "ah I hope the story and gameplay are good".
Can we please find another word to use? I am sick of people on both sides of this culture war using it.
@The_Moose You gotta admit it's now an extremely rich zeitgeist for satirising though!
Wait so female equals woke? So all these years since the time I was playing the original Tomb Raider on PS1 I've actually been woke and didn't even know it!?
That or is just a stupid word that's applied to anything that the individual who uses it hates, could be either one or both apparently 🤷😑
Ah yes, classic example of journalists copy and pasting without doing the research.
Granted I was 1 when the first game came out so I didn’t know either.
@Gloamin Yeah, I've thought that for a while. It seems things like this can't be unseen by either side.
A female protagonist at one time was just taken as maybe a bit of a quirk but certainly nothing to get excited or upset over.
Now one side screams about how "empowering" it is and brilliant for bringing "those who we deem victims of the western straight white patriarchy" to the fore. The other side can only see it as either "well they only did it to please the woke diversity obsessed Twitter mobs" or feel the need to tell us in no uncertain terms "I ain't playing as no hoe".
Frightening thing is this narrative is played out in the media and out on the streets more and more, even the most rational "I don't care I just want everyone to get on with each other and make the best of life" people are getting sucked into this vortex.
The more people get sucked in, the more it gets ramped up and nastier it becomes.
@Juanalf Little did we know we were woke before it was woke to be woke.
@The_Moose One can only question why something so celebratory and monumental requires a condescending reply in these scenarios. As if it's a bad thing the marginalized can feel more welcome.
@The_Moose 100%. And its why the indiscriminate humour we make of it all is more important than ever. It's how we cope, deconstruct, educate and evolve on cultural issues like this.
Tis a shame how it's always such a small proportion of ideologues in society that ruin it for the rest of us.
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@WadeIsInsane But the point is this stuff isn't monumental. Games have been doing this since their inception. Samus and Lara Croft, both video game icons, were conceived, active and kicking ass decades ago.
Those who are celebrating this are quite late. I honestly blame the pervasive narrative out there that there is apparently a huge contingent of the population who are racist, sexist and transphobic and that we must make a big song and dance about the addition of any character who ticks some "victim" box to a video game or movie.
Little do such people realise there are many iconic characters in history who fit the bill for what should be "celebrated" today.
@Gloamin Then let us continue to point out the flaws where we see them and make light of the situation as much as possible.
Happy hunting friend!
@Goober1 This is my worry. GTA's whole vibe will be very different if they keep the humour PC now. The latest comments from the R* team don't exactly fill me with confidence on this front...
@SamMR Why not?
This is true and all but let's be honest GTA didn't really "start" until GTAIII. I say this as one of the few who had played GTA on PS1...never finished it that's for sure. It's like saying Street Fighter 1 was where Street Fighter began. Sure technically it's true, but Street Fighter II was the actual "start" if you know what I mean!😉
I'm down for a female character and toning down the jokes a bit. V was over the top with edgy humor, I prefer the way IV handled it and the Ps2 GTA games.
"I honestly blame the pervasive narrative out there that there is apparently a huge contingent of the population who are racist, sexist and transphobic and that we must make a big song and dance about the addition of any character who ticks some "victim" box to a video game or movie."
It's amazing how just a simple "first _ character" can be this triggering. I personally just see it and think "Cool, weird that it took this long" and then move on.
I wake up every day, sometimes multiple times a day. So I guess you could say I'm pretty aware of social issues and whatnot. Probably moreso than whoever is reading this comment, as I do take a lot of naps.
Thanks for attending my Ted Talk.
Most people probably think GTA3 is the first game though.
@The_Moose And this in turn makes people suspicious because it’s so over celebrated, and then the word sexist gets thrown around like crazy. Some people go crazy over the firsts, giving valid reason for suspicion. It’s not like that hasn’t happened before with stuff like Ghostbusters. People overreact on both sides.
I'm latino. Having a female protagonist isn't woke, it is obviously woke when nowadays they force said character to be multiple minorities at once, lesbian, male-like with big muscles, non-white, for no reason, just for the sake of representation (representating 1% of the global population that is, we aren't even talking about 49%), and her antagonist will likely be a white heterosexual male, because companies nowadays fear to make a black or latino character the villain to not be called out as "racist", so they are forced to send the fake message that all white heterosexual people are bad and evil, and all minorities are Mother Teresa.
Like I said I'm latino, there are good latin people and there are bad latin people. There are good white people and there are bad white people.
Its a pity companies nowadays from both the movie industry and game industry aren't being fair and balancing that out, out of fear of getting "cancelled" by Twitter people who represents 5% of the population, while the rest doesn't care about said dumb representations.
Didn't buy a GTA since San Andreas, I just lost interest in it! Being angry because of a female protagonist is dumb, but who knows maybe there is 2 main characters since they mentioned they are basing here on Bonnie from Bonnie a Clyde criminals, it kinda doesn't make sense if one is playable and not the other, since here fame came from the couple thing!
Hopefully the edgy narrative and humor doesn't get PC!
So when is the RDR 1 remaster coming out?
Am I the only person who didn't like playing as three protagonists, and managing their money, weapons, etc?
I'm not against diversity in games..what i cant get behind is that it feels as though game creators are not able to make the game they envisioned without being made to feel as if somehow they are deliberatly excluding people of colour or any other kind of person and i'm only saying "other kind of person" because i'm not even sure what i'm allowed to call/label certain individuals (that may be wrong) because it seems to change every month a bit like my wifes personality once a month..yeah i went there...at the end of the day its a video game and it really dosnt matter what the main character(s) are...more games and less pressurising the creators to include people they think they have to..
@Finozzi1696 i agree although i'm not sure your percentage figures are correct but i get the idea you are making..
@UnlimitedSevens i sleep with one eye open..
Amazingly, this was maybe even more annyoing to me than all the people crying about GTA going "woke". Yeah, good job, you could pick a female character in the first game, where it made zero difference, like mentioned above.
I said this in the comments of the original story, even in GTA 3 the character doesn't have a voice or story of his own. I think the word woke needs to sod off because it basically has no meaning anymore. Having female versions of characters or leads is nothing special or new as comics/ films have been doing it for decades
@WadeIsInsane Well yeah imagine a "first character" causing people to celebrate. Some people are just overreacting whilst the vast majority of people don't care and simply want to experience the game.
The more I know huh, thanks for sharing this revealing info!
@SamMR As long as she's not a super-feminine girly-girl, over-sexualized, flirty, manipulative, or otherwise matching annoying stereotypes about women, that's fine.
That said, I'd much rather play as a butch or tomboyish woman than the kind of female characters that usually show up in GTAs.
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@Finozzi1696 well said 👏
@The_Moose And most of the overreaction is from those who have an issue with this. Yep, most people, in the end, don't care and will be happy to play another GTA that isn't a V port again.
Can people just leave devs alone to create the best possible experience they can? Leave all this noise for real life.
"Objective: Clean the dishes"
I've been playing GTA with a female character for the past 6 years. Sure, she's a mute and looks like a bloke and gets wasted a lot by kids on flying death bikes but she's still a lady.
I always find it amazing how the people calling for "leaving the devs alone to create the game they wanna make" are without fail the same people complaining about "forced diversity".
So if it's dudes all around it's a creative choice, but if there is even just one woman or POC it suddenly means they "bowed down to the woke crowd"? Talk about double standards!
@clvr I honestly doubt that they are the exact same people lol.
@MiaowMinx "As long as she's not a super-feminine girly-girl, over-sexualized, flirty, manipulative, or otherwise matching annoying stereotypes about women, that's fine."
So as long as she doesn't act like an actual female human being, then she is fine.
Seriously, your statement reminds me why good female character representation isn't still on the level as good male character representation in video games, because female characters aren't as diverse as a character like their male counter part.
FFS,I would take a manipulative female lead over another pure stoic or "manly" female heroine character not trying to look attractive.
All in all, what I am trying to say is that the traits that you don't want in the female lead, shouldn't be neglected on the assumption that it makes the female characters feel less.
My little sister is 18 years old, I'm 34, big gap obviously. I grew up when feminism focused on not taking no for an answer, a guy says you can't do something because you're a girl go out and do it anyway, if possible better than him.
She grew up being told all men are sexual predators and the patriarchy won't "let" her do things.
I'm a security guard. I've been a gamer since before I was supposed to be angry that women were underrepresented in gaming. She's afraid of men and she doesn't even try at anything she's been told has a glass ceiling.
This is all getting very backwards. Movement is not automatically progress. I find it extremely disturbing that there is a willingness by the mainstream to actively erase women's previous visibility to score culture war points today. They piss on our grandmothers and that is not feminism.
@The_Moose Only psychos "fight" a "culture war".
Live and let live is the mature, well-adjusted, adult mindset.
I've never met a gamer who refuses to play as a female protagonist. We all do and have done forever. R* isn't going "woke" or not what this site perceives to be woke anyway. They would be dumb to do so, woke comedy is trash, woke satire even more.
@pyrrhic_victory no, you aren’t the only one. I found that GTA V went in a completely different direction, but they just went the wrong way. I’ve tried playing it a few times now and I just can’t get into it. I kinda hope they go back to just one character instead!
So I can’t own a prostitution racket as a Madam?
@Oopsyloopsy91 Yeah it was pretty weird after GTA 4 where you just played as Nico, and then 5 where you're bouncing around between characters. I would've preferred if the character swapping was just limited to the heists, or if they let you pick a character at the beginning of the story
@rachetmarvel maybe I haven't explained myself well, but what I mean is that people are doing those two things at the same time, in the span of a sentence or two.
I'm not talking about different comments across different articles.
It's enough to read the comments in here to find that do exactly that.
Woke for having a female protagonist? Jokes.. now if the protagonist was noted as "They" then that woke me up. Haha
@The_Moose What are you talking about? Representation has always mattered in gaming, movies, etc. etc. I don't know what world you live in but people of all races and genders have always wanted to see ourselves in major roles in video games forever. That's not "woke". You can have a great story as well as make sure different races and genders are represented.
@stridernyc "You can have a great story as well as make sure different races and genders are represented."
You can, but you only need to look at the recent M-SHE- U movies/series and most BBC dramas these days to reveal when the diversity box ticking takes priority over story.
Representation has only taken priority in the media in the last decade or so, really gathering steam in the last few years, which shows in the decline of quality of TV and other media products of late.
Here's hoping it's Catalina. She's already been Bonnie and Clydesque with a couple of GTA's protagonists. And she's right up there with Trevor in the psychotic stakes. She certainly deserves a leading role.
as long as it's has no holds barred craic everyone gets roasted. been re-playing old gtas very very funny stuff. looking forward to finding out more of this game 2 year window but will be doing some advertising to get the interest out there.
This aged well.
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