Pat_trick

@AdamNovice With you everyone who disagrees with Sony is a pot stirrer. You're as biased as he is.

Good on her. Don't feed the trolls.

@Jacko11 generating $1.5bn for Sony, if that's true, being considered "not enough" doesn't mean $400m is insignificant. It means companies evaluate revenue based on profitability, costs, and growth potential, not just the raw number.

A business doesn't look at a $400m revenue stream and say "that's only 1% of our total, ignore it." That's not how financial decisions are made. They ask whether that revenue is profitable, sustainable, and strategically valuable.

The fact that Sony might reject a $1.5bn opportunity under certain circumstances doesn't make $400m "nothing". You're confusing "not enough to justify a particular business decision" with "not a substantial amount of money." Those are completely different arguments.

@Jacko11 Calling $400m "not substantial" because Sony makes $29.8bn is confusing relative size with actual value. A revenue stream doesn't become irrelevant just because it's a smaller percentage of a much larger company.

If Sony applied your logic to every part of its business they would eventually have nothing left. Large companies are built from thousands of individual revenue streams that contribute a smaller piece of the whole.

The fact that Sony is a huge corporation is exactly why the percentage looks small. It doesn't mean the money is insignificant.

$400m is still hundreds of millions of dollars, and anyone who understands business knows you don't casually throw away revenue because it isn't a double-digit percentage of your annual figures.

@8th_Observer That's not what I criticised. I never defended misinformation.

My point was that you used extreme examples to paint a much broader group as irrational.

Whether those examples are true or false doesn't address that criticism.

If your argument is that some people spread misinformation, I agree. If your argument is that this justifies dismissing the wider criticism of Sony, that's the straw-man I was pointing out.

@8th_Observer "Toxicity just turns the average person off from whatever the actual issue is. Beyond that, you can’t reason with these types because they’re so hysterical. The things I’ve seen on Reddit like “Sony deleted all my physical games because I criticized them!!!” that turn out to be just glitches…"

You've used an extreme case to strengthen your argument. That's called straw-manning.

I agree toxicity is bad, I disagree you pointed out accurately what is toxic. Your argument dismisses people who are rightfully criticising Sony's steps towards monopoly.

Maybe your intentions are good, but the presentation of your argument was very disingenuous, accidentally or not.

@Dogbreath "No disc, no buy" isn't a demand that optical media must exist forever It's a consumer preference.

People are saying they won't buy products that can be remotely altered, revoked, delisted or rendered inaccessible.

If a company offers a digital product with equivalent ownership rights, many of those same consumers would likely be perfectly happy.

The fact that some people prefer physical ownership doesn't make them "lunatics" any more than people preferring books over e-books or cash over digital payments.

You claim the real issue is digital licence law, yet you dismiss the very consumers applying pressure for stronger ownership rights.

If nobody objects to losing ownership, why would companies or legislators ever change the rules??

@8th_Observer Did I say that? How incredibly manipulative you are. First you play the victim, then you accuse me of creating infighting.

The enemy is Sony, there's no infighting. They're taking the rights away from us and we are rightfully hurt. I want my voice to be heard and so most people here.

I do find it funny that for someone who is against toxicity you've put words and actions in my mouth, a classic toxic trait.

@Dogbreath Once again you've confused two entirely different arguments.

Nobody is claiming optical media should exist forever. Technology evolves and that's normal.

The issue is whether companies should be allowed to revoke products people have already paid for.

A DVD becoming obsolete because newer technology exists isn't the same thing as a digital purchase disappearing because a licence changed.

Your Stone Age analogy actually proves the opposite of what you think. Stone tools were replaced because something better came along, not because the axe maker came back years later and confiscated them.

@8th_Observer So because I disagree with you, and point out that people who don't fight back get taken advantage of I'm toxic?

You're very thin skinned, buddy.

@8th_Observer Protesting and showing dissatisfaction is not being toxic.

If everyone behaved like you we would be constantly bullied by those in power.

We still have books, we still have disc/vynil, we still have DVD/Blu-ray.

The games industry would be the first to pioneer an absolutely awful future.

Yeah, people suck.

@TheSingularity "Person yells at cloud because PlayStation news website posts PlayStation news."

Yet it will sell extremely well because of 'member berries.

@Dogbreath I think you're treating two separate things as if they're mutually exclusive.

The reason people still value physical media is because digital consumer rights aren't good enough. Saying "the real issue is legislation" doesn't make physical ownership irrelevant, it actually explains why people still want it.

And The Crew isn't really the gotcha you think it is either. The disc wasn't useless because it's a disc. It was useless because Ubisoft decided the game had to rely on their servers. That's a design choice, not a problem with physical media. Plenty of physical games from 20 or 30 years ago still work perfectly.

And where does this extra "£20 per game" come from? Why is the only option keeping official servers running forever? Developers could release an offline patch, LAN support, peer-to-peer hosting, or dedicated server software when they stop supporting a game. None of that means paying to run servers until the end of time.

I actually agree that consumer rights need updating. But until digital purchases give people the same level of control as physical ownership, it's completely reasonable for people to keep wanting physical copies.

"they will need to focus on hardcore gamers who are willing to spend more than ever.”

So instead of increasing your prospects, you're focusing on whales? That is a horrible strategy that always backfires.

Also most of these hardcore gamers are physical disc buyers.

I've had every Sony console since the PS1 and I see no reason to buy a PS6 over a PC. They lose their USP every generation by making the PlayStation console function more and more like a PC.

I really disliked him in the original. He was jealous and petty, not a good right hand-man at all. Worst character of the group in my opinion.

Hopefully that will improve him a little bit.

Xbox mismanagement knows no bounds.

They've bought extremely talented studios and have done f all with most of them.

I think Bethesda is easily one of the top 10 mismanaged studios in the world.

Good to know it's a somewhat faithful remake bringing some cool new additions. A shame about the Animus hub pushing for microtransactions, a very Ubisoft move.

Thanks for the review!

@Oram77 Not really, but when I see you on every article commenting that you're tired of articles like this, maybe the solution is not reading them. You're complaining more about Push Square than people are complaining about Sony.

@Oram77 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're being accidentally disingenuous.

What's news worthy is the fact that Sony screwed up so badly that people are commenting in droves their dissatisfaction. This is what a modern day social media protest looks like. A message is being sent and you're trying to downplay it.

The good news for Sony is that there are blind biased people that will defend them no matter what they do.

@ThePlaystationStan You joined a few days ago. Clearly a troll account. Ignored!

@Slayer25c Yes, signing things never led to any changes in history!

I mean, treaties and declarations are a thing of fiction right? I guess we should just sit and take it without any protest! That's always helpful!

@ThePlaystationStan You've just earned the award of most insufferable post with zero empathy for 2026 at Push Square.

Also very fitting name. Clearly not a single critical thought in your mind and your username suits perfectly.

Nothing more pathetic than being loyal to a corporation that couldn't give a sh*t about you.

@PercyChuggs It's not Madden 23, it's online games in general, genius.

I'm now sure you're just obtuse, not deliberate.

@PercyChuggs Cool beans bro. If you like being taken for a ride by corpos, fun.

I'll support initiatives like Stop Killing Games so we actually have ownership over games and BS like doesn't happen.

We'll never see eye to eye, so you follow your path and I'll follow mine.

@PercyChuggs Are you being obtuse on purpose? If it happens with one game, it can happen with another.

Wonderful. Old games and PC with GOG games seems to be the way to go.

@dapinionated Yeah, it will be £950. Much better.

Wake up

@Heimdallir "as it counts games that are only offered digitally and free to play games."

Where did I say DLC? Do you know how to read? I said digital only games. Not only a liar, but incapable of basic reading.

@TheFBI Well first I willl...Ah, you almost got me there Mr. FBI!

Nice to know I now have my personalized agent

@Heimdallir Absolutely supports my argument. DLCs exist exactly to force people into digital. The liar here is you.

@Grapeshot What are you talking about? We do. We literally just got an article about Bungie firing almost 300 people.

Truth is, some people can't admit that Sony has had absolute horrid behaviour recently because of how attached they are to the brand.

@Grapeshot Should they just ignore Playstation news because it doesn't agree with you sensibilities? Don't like it, don't read it.

@ShadowRJ Yeah, the people working for PlayStation will get the brunt of the hate while the corpos responsible for it are shielded by them.

I don't think it will be dead on arrival, but it will most definitely not be as successful as the PS5.

The whole argument about only 15% of games bought being physical is BS as it counts games that are only offered digitally and free to play games.

A lot of people that buy physical and also buy consoles because they're cheaper are not seeing the appeal of the PS6 and I'm one of them.

@CheesyOatcake No worries at all, and thanks for taking the time to come back and write this.

I appreciate the response, and I think we're actually much closer in our views than it first appeared. My frustration has never been with people who prefer digital, I completely understand why so many do. It's more with the increasingly dismissive attitude towards the concerns surrounding ownership, preservation and choice.

You're right that the discussion has become far too tribal. Too many people seem to assume that if you criticise Sony, you must hate digital, or if you use digital, you must be defending every corporate decision. The reality is somewhere in the middle.

Hopefully discussions like this become the norm rather than the exception. We don't all have to agree, but we can at least engage with each other's actual arguments instead of making fun of them.

Thanks again for the thoughtful reply.

@Rich33 That's a fair take, and I agree the GTA 6 pre-orders probably gave Sony confidence that a large proportion of the market would accept a digital-only direction.

My concern is less about this situation and more about the precedent. Companies don't make these decisions in isolation, they test consumer tolerance. If consumers continue buying regardless, the incentive to preserve physical options only gets weaker.

I don't begrudge anyone who prefers digital. My issue is with reducing consumer choice and ownership over time. If physical eventually disappears, people who value it won't have an equivalent alternative, while digital users already have the option they prefer today.

@Titntin Fair enough, and I appreciate the clarification.

I interpreted "the faithful" and "cashing in on the hate vibe" as referring to the people raising concerns rather than just the articles themselves. If that wasn't your intention, then I accept that.

That said, I still think the wording came across as dismissive of the criticism surrounding Sony's decision. There are genuine concerns about ownership, preservation and consumer rights, and a lot of people discussing them aren't motivated by outrage or engagement, they simply disagree with the direction.

We obviously see the issue differently, but I appreciate you explaining what you meant rather than escalating it.

@Northern_munkey Funny how calling everyone who disagrees with him "the faithful" who are "cashing in on the hate vibe" isn't considered insulting, but calling out that smug dismissal suddenly crosses the line. If you want civility, it applies both ways.

@CheesyOatcake You're arguing against a position nobody took. Nobody called him a fool for liking digital. He's a fool because he caricatured everyone with concerns as outrage merchants instead of engaging with the actual arguments. That's intellectual laziness, not an environmental position.

His smug dismissal of legitimate concerns and his eagerness to run interference for a multi-billion-pound corporation was the foolish act. If you can't tell the difference, you're making my point for me.

@Ed_Zeppelin The Steam Machine is apparently simpler than the deck. I'll have to take a look to see if it's that more complex. I feel like Valve's goal is to eventually bridge the gap.

@Gabe250 Fair enough. I see your point

@TDHorizon I would agree with you before the existence of the Steam Machine. They're bridging the gap between consoles and PC. And the new PS console will be so expensive, it won't be that much of a difference between the two.

@Gabe250 With the gift of hindsight, right? Because Nintendo introduced game key cards and everyone here made fun of Nintendo and was happy the PS5 had real physical media. It's easy for you to stand on the pedestal of correctness after the information has been provided.

Who would've thought Nintendo would be the last one standing?

Considering how consoles are becoming more and more like PCs, their appeal diminishes daily.