
As I wrote yesterday, fan sentiment in PlayStation is at its lowest ever ebb.
My colleague Rob Ramsey alluded to this prior to last month’s State of Play show, arguing Sony needed to deliver a banger to revive perception of its flagging brand.
I think its event was adequate but I’m not sure it did much to quell the dissatisfaction of enthusiasts. This week it decided to plunge its reputation by killing physical games.
While I think it’s important to criticise the company for its bad decisions, I think we also need to consider where we go from here. Wallowing and whining will only get us so far.
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I don’t expect an overnight recovery, and I will continue to hold the brand to account, but here’s broadly the set of steps I expect from PlayStation next.
PS Store Simply Must Improve

Ideally, I’d like Sony to reverse its decision to stop making physical games, but I’m concerned by the fact that one of its facilities has already started retraining staff as it looks to manufacture other products.
I think fans should keep the pressure on the company to change its stance, but if that’s simply not possible, then I believe the PS Store is in need of a vast and swift upgrade.
There’s no doubt that Sony’s digital storefront is among the worst and least flexible out of all the options, and if the company is going to force us to interact with it then it must take some necessary steps:
- The firm’s refund policy is not fit for purpose and must be completely revised to at least be on par with its contemporaries, like Steam, which provide full refunds on digital games within a two-hour play window.
- Pricing must be more consistent across regions and territories. In some countries like Brazil, digital PS5 games cost significantly more than they do on Xbox or Switch.
- Sony must provide multiple avenues to purchase digital games, including a variety of vouchers from retailers. Currently it only sells PS Store credit top-ups.
- Additional and oft-requested functionality must be added to the PS Store, including the ability to gift games to other users, as well as fixes to wishlists.
- Improvements must be made to account security, especially in the wake of multiple accounts recently falling victim to social engineering scams.
Sony Must Communicate Clearly and Effectively

I’m certainly not advocating for Xbox-style engagement from PlayStation’s upper-brass, but it’s clear its hands-off approach is not fit for purpose anymore.
The company has failed to engage with fans all generation, allowing toxic stories to linger and keeping its executives out of the public eye.
While I don’t believe we need to hear from bosses Hideaki Nishino or Hermen Hulst on a daily basis, I do believe it’s important they address their audience, explaining decisions and outlining their plans in a clear and concise manner.
Even if this is conducted through official channels, like the PS Blog, it’d represent an improvement on the stand-offish nature of the company today.
PlayStation was at its best when it had engaged leaders like Shawn Layden, Andrew House, and Shuhei Yoshida serving as ambassadors. The company today is a shadow of its former self.
PS6 Must Provide a Method to Play Physical Games

While the PS6 looks poised to be a digital-only device, Sony cannot abandon the decade of physical purchases fans have made for the PS5 and PS4.
The company must provide an adequate solution to play these games, whether it’s via an optional disc drive or some kind of physical-to-digital transfer programme.
Furthermore, the company must communicate its solution clearly and effectively; there can be no room for ambiguity here. That goes hand-in-hand with the above, and executives who are able to address fans clearly and consistently.
I do wonder how much the rumoured handheld aspect of the PS6 is factoring into its plans here, as that’s unlikely to support physical media at all. If that’s the reason, then it would be beneficial for Sony to come out and communicate it, rather than take this cloak-and-dagger approach.
Obviously all of the above needs to come alongside a company committed to delivering exceptional games, but among all of the chaos, I do have faith that titles like Marvel’s Wolverine, God of War Laufey, and Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet are going to deliver.
Sony needs to get back to an approach that lets its software sing, and stop shooting itself in the foot with unforced errors like we’ve seen much of this generation.
The above are just a handful of steps I think the company needs to take, but ideally I want it to go above and beyond to win back trust. This situation isn’t irrecoverable, but it’s going to take some real elbow grease as we move into the PS6 era and beyond.





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Surely the only way is up because let's face it they couldn't be any lower right now.
At least in the eyes of those that matter
The fans
Honestly it is back to being a Nintendo gamer only for me after the PS5. Sony will not change because they have no need to. They see Xbox as their only competition and they are the only company in the world that are run more incompetently than Playstation is.
It’s going to take a long time, but in order to do it, I think it needs to do the following:
1. Find some way to keep the appearance of the physical market alive, even if it means a usb game key that just acts as a Switch 2 game key.
2. It must have games that are specifically designed for really hardcore PS fans, Ape Escape, Jak and Daxter, Vib Ribbon, Gravity Rush, stuff that caters specifically to hardcore fans of the brand.
3. COMMUNICATION, they will be completely tone deaf if they just ignore everything and pretend everything is normal once they return to social media.
I don’t know if any of these are possible, but I don’t see a way that Sony can recover the brand damage otherwise.
I really think the PS5 might be my last console if things keep on this way. It's not just the digital only fiasco but this whole thought that the industry has developed that gaming is this fine luxury cuisine or something. I have an entire lifetime of backlog to get through, thousands of amazing masterpieces I haven't played yet. I don't need you, games Industry. I'm not going to be held hostage and forced to pay a premium just for the "privilege" of playing a video game. I don't need you Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Steam.
The PS store need up-grading way before this news even came out. Once again they NEED to implement the disc-to-digital strategy like Xbox, that to me is the best outcome (obvs not ideal) going forward. Oh and they need to have the stream like refund policy.
Meh they're just the first ones to speak up. The writing has been on the wall for a long time regarding physical media.
Sony either just don’t care or have a terribly naive marketing department. Communication has been awful for years.
In regards to ditching physical, they have missed that hardcore fans and collectors may not drive the most revenue, but they maintain a culture that gets others invested in the community. To throw them away is madness.
Not to mention the madness of throwing away the biggest advantage - the games players have collected from past generations locking them into the ecosystem. Now new consoles won’t benefit from that.
The writing has been on the wall a long time though. Since 2018, when a large community of open minded gamers were crapped on in order to pander to non or casual gamers demanding censorship of the games and devs Sony built their name on in many markets.
I only really stayed with Sony due to VR and my history/trophy collection. The former is better on PC unfortunately. The later not enough to keep me.
The only way for Sony to pull this bad PR around is to announce a slew of pro consumer digital changes - return periods and trading of licenses being the big ones.
When my PS5 dies, I’ll be investing in a gaming PC. Will not support this scummy company anymore.
Seriously, worst decision the Japanese have made since Pearl Harbour.
Completely agree. While I think the pivot to digital-only is a done deal, there needs to be substantial investment in improving that digital-only experience.
Clearly we just keep making more stories about it to drive engagement and get the faithful all rilled up again?
Nothing has changed for me at all, I'm delighted that they have finally announced their plans to ditch plastic download tickets. I hope whenever some sensible conversations are encouraged again, we can get to talk about ideas for game preservation, changes to the store etc, but till then I guess its just time to cash in on the hate vibe.
Without new physical games, I don't need a PS6. I haven't bought and never will buy a single digital game from the PS Store. In 2028 I'll still have a PS5 for old games. I'll use PC and Switch 2 for new games.
I’m just out.
PS5 Pro is my last Sony made console.
My backlog will not be denied. Sony has zero power over me to make me jump to PS6 and the all-digital no-physical bleh.
Where do we go from here?
If Sony doesn't treat customers well, then we go away from Sony.
For me, it could be PC and Nintendo. Maybe Evercade.
@Titntin I was thinking the same thing to be honest, we best get settled in, with the amount of articles that will come out of this...
Edit: Oh and take a shot every time you see "Last console" or "I'm moving to PC"
There is always basement. I say we go there now
@Damage99 Agreed. To be honest, I think many of these things applied before killing physical games.
@DoTheRoar that's a bit of a stretch with the pearl harbor thing,but okay
I understand why they're doing this. The ps6 is simple going to cost to much, anything that isn't necessary must go in order to lower that price and unfortunately (oh so unfortunately) that means the 15% of us buying physical must lose out a bit.
I don't like it, but I imagine Sony (or Xbox) didn't want to do this either. Who'd want this kind of reaction but what choice did they have?
However, I do believe the ps store needs a lot of improvement now. If they do, I'll (begrudgingly) let it slide.
People being so mad about this when everyone knew every system was going to be digital only in the next few years is a bit much.
Everyone just needs to wait and see if they announce a disc drive option next year. They have no need to talk about this anymore right now because the hate will still be on every post or anything they say.
If the PS6 is digital only, Helix digital only and then eventually the Switch will join them. This is all expected to happen so people just have to deal with it. The rage will be everywhere for a few weeks and when the layoffs happen at Microsoft next week that will be what everyone is talking about.
This was going to happen no matter what. Since most consoles make money of digital anyways.
@Titntin "I hope whenever some sensible conversations are encouraged again, we can get to talk about ideas for game preservation, changes to the store etc, but till then I guess its just time to cash in on the hate vibe."
Are some of these things not exactly what's in the article? Particularly improvements to the Store/digital experience?
Vast majority don't care and Sony don't care that a few people on the internet are angry at them over this. I'm not defending Sony its more i'm being blunt with reality. Sony's shares have gone up with this news do you really think they care Push Square is angry at them? End of the day they care more about money then the feelings of gamers, they aren't are friends they don't care about us or how we feel about them they just care about are money.
Anyone who supported digital gaming have only themselves to blame honestly. Every purchase made on PSN gave Sony more ammo. 85% of people voted with their wallets for digital.
Its going to fun watching all the people angry at this blindly throw money at GTA VI in a few months without a care in the world. If you care that much don't support GTA VI in a few months. By supporting it you're supporting Sony's vision.
Where do we go from here you ask? I dunno, probably PC sometime in 2028-2029 because consoles aside from Switch have lost their meaning. They"re not the cheap option anymore and with the current slow output of exclusives (which don't interest me anyway, I miss the PS2-PS3 days) Sony has nothing to offer me. PCs can also be connected to TVs and controller support is excellent, so the experience can already be very console-like. I don't mind digital games, bur I just won't be locked to single marketplace
Just to think of it, I think we all knew this will be coming, but it would have been much lessen uproar if they done the next gen as the last physical supported consoles. It would have given another 10 years, meaning whole new generation of people that have not known the feel of owning physical media and are used to licenses and subscriptions. PC is the best place to play now, since if Sony goes down in the future, all your money spent will be gone too, but even if steam was to do the same you can still play games unaffected either via gog or any other storefront, or just download your games that you had purchased through the other means if necessary. This won't happen anymore with playstation unless someone actually publish a holy grain of hack that enables custom downloads.
@Oram77 I agree but Sony won't say anything until they officially reveal the PS6.
@Oram77 Yeah the amount of articles talking about "We need a response now" when they just announced it yesterday and it doesn't take place until 2028 are overboard.
People saying "I'm done with Playstation", or "I'm not buying games on the system anymore" will still play games and buy games on the system once they get over it. Especially if they make a disc drive when this whole process happens, if they don't it is what it is.
I will miss good sales on games though but we will see in a year and a half how all of this happens.
Thank goodness some people on here are reasonable and not nonstop angry, just some lol.
I have not been buying to many games this jen because of all the digital games so its only a small step for me to say good by Sony and Microsoft .
@Titntin
Storm in a teacup...I haven't bought a physical game in years, far too lazy to swap discs in and out of the console.
I hope Sony fix up the Store and offer to sell us cheap digital versions of our remaining discs....
@Titntin
You mean “saleable/tradeable download tickets”, which is the main point when digital doesn’t have that option, nor a semblance of a return policy.
@Suur You think PC gaming in 2026 is cheaper then consoles? The Steam Machine is a PC at over 1K and its weaker then a PS5.
The handheld unit could be fine without a disc drive.
Basically, you would put your disc in a Playstation device (like your PS5 or PS4) and connect it to your PSN account. Then you would be allotted a certain amount of time to play it digitally. Maybe 2 weeks to a month. You would re-verify the game when time runs out and you want to continue to play it on your handheld PS6
That is not perfect or ideal for many, but it is an easy enough workaround, I think.
@DennisReynolds I'm assuming you didn't mean it this way, but your phrasing kind of makes it sound like folks who buy digital games are on the wrong side of history or something.
In the UK, physical editions are a lot cheaper than their digital counterparts (I got Pragmata for £40 day one on Amazon for example).
I'm not against spending £70 or even £80 on some super AAA mega game (Witcher IV for example) but those games are very rare exceptions, I'm not gonna do it for most and I think that's what worries me here.
I'm simple gonna be priced out of day one games which sucks. I like supporting games that do something I like, but my budget only goes so far.
What actually is the value proposition of the PS6? I can't seem to find one. I haven't heard anything that makes me think it is a must buy item.
Likely an overpriced console with more expensive digital only games in a closed eco-system that charges a monthly fee for the "privilege" of playing online and backing up your save games.
Why would anyone want that?
@get2sammyb
But they're not allowed to say mean things about a faceless company because it makes me mad and sad.
@DennisReynolds “a few people angry about this”
I haven’t seen outrage this high over gaming since the Xbox One reveal. If it was just a few angry people, why did Sony feel the need to go silent?
I think that Sony will need to take a hit in their pocketbook before they'll wise up. Would be nice if they had some actual competition to make this happen, but it'll probably be due to their anti-consumer practices and increased prices causing sales to drop. But it'll likely need to be a BIG drop before they actually do anything. They've gotten away with being arrogant for so long now, that it's unlikely they'll change anytime soon.
I think Sony is at an all time low to a certain part of their userbase. However, i think the majority that doesnt follow daily industry news isnt even aware of whats going on tbh. Some will hear about it months later and just shrug
@blah01 First time I seen anyone admit to being lazy to change/swap discs, no joke.
@Titntin As much uproar that's online, they're in the minority. Most gamers are already fully digital. I knew was inevitable, even if I'm not thrilled about it. Still, going to enjoy gaming. This isn't enough to make me quit.
@Nf157
Of course they wanted to do it, they just needed an excuse, even a bad one (and it is a bad one, as 15% of the current market is still way more than 85% of the ps3 market in financial terms).
The reason they want it is virtual store monopoly and the destruction of the second hand game market, giving them greater pricing control. The same reason every publisher wants it.
It’s short sighted as it will reduce the future player base, but then business is designed around short term gains.
@Titntin Yep this same article got posted yesterday. Whose turn is it tomorrow?
All of these cost more money to Sony, so they will do absolutely none of them.
The PS6 will not sell well at first. Price will be too high and incremental improvements will not be enough for many people. On top of that a loss of physical products and a crummy PSN Store experience (as listed in the article including consumer rights/protections).
But I bet the only thing Sony blames is the price and "Market Conditions."
If Sony's going to go all in on digital, then they definitely need to improve their store, cause it needs it.
I am walking away from playstation all together after being there since the ps1. The price tag has gotten out of hand, the exclusives aint what they used to be, now we cant rely on cheap discs on clearance/reselling.
The grass is greener on PC.
@Titntin I’ll stop getting riled up when Sony actually either backtracks or implements some sort of compromise that doesn’t destroy the physical market.
@ShadowRJ The petition you have linked has 3.023 votes. Again I buy most of my games on discs and even I knew we were going down this road, so I've done my part, doesn't look like many others have.
Ever felt the Gaming World not producing enough quality Games.
No problem Digital only PS6 will freshen up the gaming World and nobody will be able to resist what's coming.
I can't say I love the news but as someone that has kind of gone back and forth on physical and digital, all the news has done is make me feel like I should just lean more into digital now as that's just the way the wind is blowing. This is an industry shift, not a Playstation shift.
There have many canaries in the coal mines that this was coming. GTA6 being the biggest one.
I think the most important thing now is to improve the digital experience. (better ownership protections, better refund policies,etc.) I loved physical games as much the next guy but I just don't see any way back to that so we may as well either look forward or become a retro only player.
I feel like this is worse than anything ps3 era sony has ever done and has ever been like. It's just baffling how they don't seem to care how bad theyve looked mostly all gen long
To echo much of what @Titntin has stated recently on these articles;
Sony's future, along with the gaming industry at large is digital, either almost entirely, or entirely.
With that comes the need for reassurance and public briefing on cloud policies and procedures, as in how long is a game license guaranteed to be available server wise in years?
There needs to be improved purchase transparency on terms alongside others, refund policies that buy trust not distrust, and support from a customer service standpoint that’s actually worth mentioning.
So as far as what the future holds, I suspect more of the same, as far as sales output, but from a consumer side of things, hopefully more transparency and support.
@wildcat_kickz I'm saying those who don't like what Sony are doing should have thought about the possible implications when they bought a digital game that can also be got in disc form. They should also consider the message they're sending when happily buying GTA VI. There's no right or wrong side to this there's just what people wanted and supported most and well that's digital like it or not.
@get2sammyb They are Sammy, but in general we don't get to talk to you. I've found it increasingly difficult to have a sensible conversation on the subjects with the people posting here. I guess theres a lot of anger and hate being spread and people don't have much rationale thought under such conditions.
For what its worth, I thought you came up with a lot of stuff that needs to be talked about! I'm just not that sure the majority of the audience wants to have those discussions, they just seem to want to tell us they are never playing games again or similar 🤷
Edit: Having just read my initial post again, I wasn't at all clear I was refering to chat. And then to make matters worse we had loads of perfectly reasonable posts actually talking about the issue with some more sense.
They do nothing the general public either don’t know or don’t care.
I asked a couple at work today, they went it will be what it is, casual type gamers.
They are in the PS ecosystem they are not going anywhere in their masses.
Sony just need to release some very good games keep great second and third party support, keep the FIFA and COD crowd smiling.
It’s simple, ride the storm and keep smiling.
As for competition for Sony, Nintendo sell game consoles its competition and Sony are starting to get spanked in the monthly console sales chart.
So Sony do have competition, because if the switch and switch 2 did not exist, the gamers and general public would by a PS5, even only 50% did that is tens of millions of PS5 sales.
I see some people outraged about this were the first to argue with me why it does NOT make financial sense for Sony to offer FREE online play like it used to be, because Plus subs keep increasing. Now same Sony thinks it doesn't make financial sense to continue physical and you're crying.
Simple, we keep gaming (assuming it’s still enjoyable). A lot of the social media discourse reminds me of addicts going through withdrawal, and I think it’s important to be mindful and avoid getting to that point.
@Bizzy Well the PS6 has yet to be revealed or priced so no one buy Sony knows. What's the value on a 1500K+ PC weaker then a PS5 Pro?
All good points that I agree with Sammy. Especially the refund policy.
@4fold I don't disagree with you. Improvements to the digital sales path and rights are clearly needed.
I’m a digital only gamer but I do feel sorry about this decision.
Can’t the make an add disc drive for the ps6 home console or a blanking plate for it to slot in if people want a disc drive.
I guess Sony are prepared for this and hoping GTA6 distracts everyone.
@AI-Generation Was speaking to my Sister's BF about this whose a PC gamer and he legit thought PS5 was all digital anyway and shrugged at the news. He's pretty casual and doesn't follow gaming news he just plays whatever looks good to him or what's popular with his brothers or what i recommend. He really doesn't see what the big deal is.
@DennisReynolds I see what you're saying. Markets are gonna market. I don't know if anyone should scrutinize their purchases to that extent, though. Ultimately, the decision was Sony's to make and the blame lies with them. It's an extreme example, but I liken it to blaming a neighbor for global warming if they leave the light on.
@Titntin And also agreed with what you mentioned previously directed at Sammy. A lot lately on here are so reminiscent of old IGN comment bloatware of PS3-4 era, it’s tiring.
I yearn for the time when I used to actually talk to people about games on many sites, but now it’s people actually disagreeing with me for the sake of it. Yet if they actually used reading comprehension they’d realise I agree with them.
I just have never witnessed a community swallow itself this quickly. It isn’t just PlayStation as a brand that people need to realise is failing and falling in appeal to many.
@Oram77 even if nothing we do works, there’s no reason why we shouldn’t at least try to get our voice heard. I don’t care if some people here are already fed up of the discourse, I won’t be shutting up about the biggest threat to gaming since the crash of the 1980s
@DennisReynolds A 1500K+ PC offers far more long‑term value than a PS6/PS5/Pro because you’re buying into an open ecosystem where hardware, software and storefronts aren’t locked behind a single company’s rules. Games are typically cheaper thanks to frequent Steam, GOG, and Epic sales, plus true ownership without subscription gating. That same machine also doubles as a full productivity workstation for work, study, creative tools and unrestricted internet access. Giving you far broader utility than a closed console designed primarily for gaming.
@DanijoEX
Thanks... I'm definitely a lazy ***** 😁
@TheArt Becuase you went against the agenda, regarding the online debate, I said in the article they should make another tier purely for online purposes which is at a reduced cost.
@Titntin Just because you're a fool who doesn't understand the depth of the issue, it does not mean everyone else is.
Some people are clever enough to not go defense mode for a huge corporation like Sony, whose goal is to take the most while providing the least.
@DennisReynolds let’s put the reverse scenario to your sister’s BF. What if all of a sudden, Valve decided to stop ever doing digital distribution. If you want to play PC games from now on, you have to get discs from stores. Would he see the big deal then?
In an ideal world you say sorry, reverse decision and accounce PS6 will launch with full backwards compatibility out the gate.
@ShadowRJ In the grand scheme its a few. 85% are all digital remember. Sony knew they would get backlash so keep quiet for a few days and they back to business when something else has angered the gaming world. Their shares have rose at this news they are most likely celebrating.
The meltdown about this is crazy like all this drama is NOT gonna change the fact the digital media now is at least 80% of the sales, people is gonna still buy they digital media, people are still buying they games and People are DEFINETIVLY buying TONS of the GTA VI copies WITHOUT the disc(if you want change anything i mean trie convence people not buy digital media good luck with that)
@Titntin 100% this
Step one: Fire Hermen Hulst
Step two: New IP, new IP, and more New IP from remaining PlayStation Studios. There once was a time when each generation represented new ideas and characters, and the biggest problem for PS6 (besides the price and lack of discs) is that it’ll probably launch with not a single new IP that helps to define it. If they don’t make new IP (and it doesn’t have to be huge and expensive) during that generation, PS6 will be the most boring (and expensive) console to date.
Well Sonys stock market price has actually risen slightly, so I don't think they or their investors give a flying f what us gamers think or want
Sony needs to do this, Sony needs to do that. Sometimes I think people mistake a global (giant) company for a government of a country.
My heart goes out to those that are really sad about this change. Yet, this outrage is as pretentious as any other in the past few years. And it will be dust in the wind by next week. As always.
You gotta love this kind of virtue signaling.
You know what is going to happen? Everyone on this site, and most people involved with gaming overall, will still buy all the things they were going to buy anyway. Digital GTA 6, PS6, stupid accessories, and put up with all the ***** practices enforced by Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.
Sony is going to have its "best fiscal year yet" every and each year, and all the outrage will die down as it always does.
And in three years people will be wondering how things got so poor.
All of this is just karma farming, really. If you people cared about changing things and having a better gaming landscape, you wouldn't have bought all the things you did, promoted all the things you did, defended all the companies as you all did.
People can't mention emulation on this site without an angry mob lecturing them on law matters. And now you're all outraged that Sony is not your friend?
P.S.: Not a jab at Push Square writers, you people are just doing your job. It is more about the comments I am reading here about all of it.
Sony (and Microsoft who have a worse image) have set out the way they plan to deal with the economy with mass firings, multiple price rises, and changes in customer rights. They seem unable to change this now, desperate to release their new consoles that it seems the entire fandom is apathetic about. They haven’t made this generation of consoles worthwhile to justify abandoning them and expecting even money for a new console.
Frankly I don’t think anything can help either company. They are blindly assuming their brands are more important than the products and business practises they are flogging, saying one thing about getting back to what the customer wants but doing another.
I think Playstation and XBox need a cold shower of reality and need to experience a loss in players and money to realise this isn’t good enough. We get times are tough, but at a certain point no shiny game or improved UI is going to improve trust. I know I’m not willing to gamble thousands of pounds any more that the next generation of consoles will be worth my time.
@DennisReynolds Why do people keep saying this 15 percent when they know it's not the whole truth? Ghosts of Yotei had 23 percent that bought physical for example and Resident Evil nine kept selling out of physical copies it was so popular.
You see the 15 percent and don't factor in that lots of small indy stuff is digital only, and it's all lumped together.
Now I have 0ver 100 digital games and don't give a damn about discs, but I do care about the finer details when people say things.
@Member_the_game Do not underestimate them. I am pretty sure that they still have plenty of bad ideas in their bag of bad ideas.
At this stage, I'm conviced that some Heads at PlayStation are there to sabotage the company.
I'm gonna stick the kettle on and finish 007 First Light.
@hrommar Exactly GTA6 alone has proven that fact.
@ShadowRJ Don't think he cares about a future that will never happen in his lifetime.
What if i got hit by a car today walking to work? What if my sis BF was involved in a car crash while driving to pick me up from up? What if internet was to stop worldwide for good? What if my Cats go missing when i let them out? What if my PS5 Pro explodes?
Yeah most people don't live in what if's world.
I hope we see some action from regulators going forward.
Let's hope the legal action in the UK over the PS Store monopoly succeeds.
Let's hope Playstation will now qualify as a gatekeeper under the EU digital markets act to result in some decent changes.
I know certain fanboys around here don't like those things but they are necessary to prevent companies abusing their dominant market position.
Indie devs and hardware less focused on graphics are where we go, IMO.
@DennisReynolds fair enough, bad analogy. The point is that for hardcore physical collectors like myself, this is the equivalent of Sony snapping my neck.
As I climb upon the highest horse I can find to talk directly down to all the angry little lambs a warm sense of self satisfaction drifts over me.
I am sensible, they are silly. I despair. You should listen to my voice of wisdom as I decry the lack of truly adult conversations. A solitary tear rolls down my cheek as people get angry at Sony.
@Bizzy Then why didn't you jump into PC train much sooner? PC has drawbacks mind you, its costly to get into, requires more storage for games, requires more setting changes to get the game right, has endless dodgy ports from Devs who don't give a damn to do a decent PC port. There's a reason console gaming is super popular still.
@Oram77 😆 Naaaah not you mate, I don't even remember arguing with you, I'm sure I agreed to that free online tier suggestion. My comment is directed at some other people.
@MrGawain They don't care about trust. They care about money. They would give up on any semblance of trust, whatsoever, if it made them more money.
PS6 rolls out, sells out, Sony has its best fiscal year yet, while Reddit is outraged with its practices. Guess how much will they care about it?
Just a bunch of whiners man. PlayStation struck out a couple times chasing the live service trend and then decided to stop making physical games for next gen. What’s going on at Xbox right now actually sucks so let’s cut the bs about PlayStation being at rock bottom.
@Member_the_game 'The only way to go is up...'
Tomorrow's headline: 'Sony insists Harambe deserved it and worse'
@TheArt Oh no I wasn't arguing with you on that, just saying you went against the current agenda and got push back for it, we're all good brother 👍
@glennthefrog Harambe getting mentioned in 2026 is wild....
@DennisReynolds I did! I have a great PC thanks! I have a few actually. I built them all. I love the tinkering and swapping and changing.
I bought every PS since PS1. I have a lovely collection of disc based games. I was looking forward to more of the same from PS6 but the value proposition hasn't been given to me. I was hoping someone like yourself was going to be able to tell me what the USP was.
If you ignore the obvious Xbox and PC trolls then you have a similar amount of genuine backlash as they did when closing Bluepoint, which kinda died down after a week. So I think after people have calmed down and took in the news then more will be accepting of a digital future, especially once they realise it's either the same elsewhere, or is going to be. The same happened with Nintendo when they found out about GKC's, it's now more widely accepted with a few here and there still holding a grudge. But for the bigger picture, it had little to no impact on Switch 2 console or game sales.
I think Sony could still offer something to ease those in genuine uproar over this though, like a disk to digital feature for older games or a GKC alternative.
@LemanRusk Awesome put down, 👏
@ShadowRJ I agree it sucks for you and others. Giving a choice i wouldn't wish physical gaming away its just most don't care nowadays. Its why streaming is king and cinema's and DVD's/BD are suffering. We're at a critical point now where how media consumed is heavily changing and its why i just gave in and embraced it years ago. As soon as Steam arrived the clock started ticking down to when we are now, ironically i used to fear gaming would end up like Steam/PC gaming and while i no longer fear it i was right in my prediction.
Honestly I simply don't care anymore. I am done. It's not them getting rid of physical games, it's just everything that they seem to do is done in this bone headed way that tells me that this company has no executives left that actually understand or care about the gamers.
Even if they reverse this decision, I am done. I don't even care about gta vi anymore. I know it will sell a lot, I know Sony will sell a ton of PS5s due to that but I am just tired man.
Ofcourse it's not just Sony but also the industry as a whole. It's hard to get excited about anything when there are a hundred strings attached, trying to leech every last cent out of us.
I have a pretty backlog, I'll slowly make my way through it. Maybe buy an indie title here and there and maybe I'll buy a PS5 when my current machine dies since I have a very large library on the platform but yeah. The gaming industry execs won. All that's left in me is apathy.
@Pat_trick Stating his preference for digital convenience and less waste for the environment doesn’t make him a fool in any sense of the word.
You’re just throwing an insult around because you’re sitting high on your hill of plastic waste. Come on now, you can do better than to call someone having preferences for using less oil and machinery and liking convenience a fool.
I too echo @Tintin (sorry to tag, seems rude not to), feelings on much of this, however I’m no fool and do not tolerate them easily either.
Though I can’t speak for Tintin on this, I personally do not defend Sony, I’ve worked for them many moons ago and actually left that situation due to my own personal grievances with them at the time.
I also stand front and centre in acknowledging physical is an undeniable audience and I believe that audience should be supported for as long as is physically and financially possible.
We all can have a discussion and not share the same preference but still not want gamers at large to get shafted. I don’t need to be a child in a war torn country to understand they shouldn’t be treated in the manner they are.
There’s nothing wrong you supporting physical purchases of physical items, but as Mensa will inform you, that doesn’t make you any less of a consumer and any more intelligent than anyone else.
I, as many do, support your desire for physical purchases, I support your ability to continue having use of them, despite the rather obvious flaws in the distribution model, which we are all aware of.
So maybe don’t go calling people fools who actually support you enjoying the hobby in a way in which you prefer.
The majority of us enjoy orgasms, the way in which we climax is neither your concern nor mine, we can all just be happy with getting there.
@Bizzy Well if you have a gaming PC already i guess it makes more sense to just stick with that for now then.
Sony absolutely can abandon a decade a physical purchases. It's what they did when PS4 launched - they looked at the last three generations, shrugged, and told people to get over it. They did it with PS Vita when PSP titles weren't even in the same form factor.
Removed - current gen piracy/emulation
@DennisReynolds
Most general public and casuals won’t worry about it and of course all digital gamers like me don’t really care.
Like I said before on here yesterday, great for the environment, less plastic stuff and machines and energy usage making the disc and cases and the raw materials etc.
away hopefully
@CheesyOatcake You're arguing against a position nobody took. Nobody called him a fool for liking digital. He's a fool because he caricatured everyone with concerns as outrage merchants instead of engaging with the actual arguments. That's intellectual laziness, not an environmental position.
His smug dismissal of legitimate concerns and his eagerness to run interference for a multi-billion-pound corporation was the foolish act. If you can't tell the difference, you're making my point for me.
Selling us on the PlayStation 6 more and more every day aren’t they.
@AI-Generation As an all digital gamer, in your experience how long does it take for a new AAA gamevto go on sale after release? I'm starting to go all digital from next week starting with Echoes of Aincrad and there's a few games in September I will be looking to get as well but I don't want to be paying the full price for all of them.
I get people want physical discs but with the massive day one patches and months of following performance patches, do you really need the disc? You want to play a broken launch game? Most likely downloading all of the patches is just downloading the fixed game in it's entirety
At this point steam is a likey option for me. I like physical games, but if it goes all digital I can get steam games a lot cheaper then PlayStation, I like first party PlayStation games but there output this gen has be a disgrace, and with steam wouldn't have to pay for online.
@L_R_V The only game I can think of that was perfect straight out of the box with no day 1 patch was Stellar Blade.
I haven't bought a single physical game in 10 years, but this news is just compounding to a lot of bad moves Sony is making.
Price increases in across the board, increasingly poor PS Plus lineups, locking back up saves to PS Plus users, still locking online play for PS Plus users, pushing for GaaS and failing miserably, closing beloved studios, closing of ps3/vita store, movie licensing fiasco, letting slop games fill the store, psn account requirements on pc, account hacking through social engineering, and now the possibility of a 1.000 USD PS6.
It's just been bad news after bad news, but many of us are too invested to pull out now.
@AI-Generation Yeah exactly. I've been digital gaming for nearly 10 years now. Yeah it sucks for disc users and i hope there's an optional disc drive to play PS4/PS5 games but overall nothing has changed for me personally. Hell i just bought a digital game today as i pre- ordered the AC4 remake.
@L_R_V Look at Crimson Desert the game on disc is a very different game to what it is now.
>I do have faith that titles like Marvel’s Wolverine, God of War Laufey, and Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet are going to deliver.
I have faith in neither of those.
I hear and read a lot of emotion about this topic of digital vs. physical. That's to be expected. However, the important debate isn't about how it makes you feel. The important part is the facts concerning removal of physical media.
In a nutshell, With physical media:
-You decide when to play it.
-You decide when to sell it.
-You decide when to lend it.
-No internet required (on most)
-No account required.
-No company approval required.
With digital:
-Your access depends on servers.
-Your access depends on account status.
-Your access depends on licensing agreements.
-Your access depends on DRM.
-Your access depends on a company's continued existence.
One gives you possession.
The other gives you permission.
These are facts, not feelings. This is the objective reality of physical media going away, not the subjective feeling we may or may not have about it.
It’s funny how you say Sony doesn’t care anymore . Wake up. A corporate company has never cared, lol.
Also, the ones moaning with the loudest voice probably only buy a small handful of games a year , and has subscriptions to platforms like Netflix , Hulu , Spotify and so on. So it’s okay for music and movies but not for games . A bit hypocritical, ey .
It's really sad to see people flailing about after finding out they're in the minority.
@UltimateOtaku91 Depends on the Publisher. Ubi for instance is famous for putting games on sale very quick. I think for most you will start seeing discounts within a month. The trick is waiting until a massive sales happens like a summer or xmas one because the discounts are usually much better and they usually impact the ultimate or deluxe versions where they will go for far lower then what the base game originally cost.
It will have as much effect as Rockstar’s silence toward GTA6.
People get angry, I’m not happy about it either , but there isn’t much we can do at this point. Especially, when physical sales are around 12%.
Just throwing it out there, I recently bought Pragmata and 007 physically.
@Member_the_game Oh, there is definitely one more thing that immediately comes to my mind that they could do to take this lower. It wouldn’t surprise me if they removed the family function that way every single user on a single system has to own a game to play it.
Stock went up 3% since the announcement lol
Most people are not bothered by this move.
They're the most successful ever, so where should they go?
There never will be a going back. It's the cycle of a capitalistic and mainstream world. The bigger and more succesful a company gets, the more it loses everything it once stand for and loses their original core audience, but have the mainstream behind them. Sony is gone. There might be a new company someday. Rinse and repeat.
@darylb24 no sh*t
@Damage99 Wonder will we get the same reaction when the other ones follow suit.
Just stop giving them money. This is what the brass is telling their shareholders:
"For the next-generation platform, rather than simply serving as an alternative to PCs, we aim to deliver value that is unique to PlayStation."
"...we are focusing more on monetizing our user base"
"We expect to recover the costs... through revenue generated from PS Plus"
Nickel and diming us is their goal. Not getting us games, and certainly not games that we can actually own.
I don't think their reputation is at rock bottom at all!!
There's far more lower levels it can reach!!!
The premise of this article is that wallowing and whining will only get you so far, but it then proceeds to just calmly and rationally enumerate a wish list.
I would argue that whining or wishful thinking on a user blog are both equally pointless, from the perspective of the C-suite in charge. They only listen to MONEY.
Do a single thing that is pro-consumer over being pro-shareholder. Just one thing. Does anyone remember the last time they did something for their customers to the detriment of their bottom line? I know... business = profit and all but you have to think beyond the next quarter. They haven't for a long time.
@Pat_trick I've known @Tintin for a long time now and we don't always agree 100% on things including digital vs physical but I can tell you now he's no fool and is probably one of the most level headed contributors to this site. No need to be insulting just because you don't agree with him.
@L_R_V I don’t understand your point. In your worst case scenario, I’ll still have a playable version of the game on disc, and the day 1 patches and subsequent patches will be all there on digital anyway.
Sony definitely have a lot of questions to answer around how they will future proof people's physical library, how they will preserve games and how they will open up the marketplace to competition. But the reality is that most people will move on and find something else to be angry about within the next week or two, including many of those who say they will never buy a Sony. And if they announce a nice shiny new GoW/Uncharted/The Last of Us/Spider-Man title to accompany the launch of the PS6 and I suspect even more will suddenly forget their concerns.
The likely high cost of the PS6 will be far more damaging to its success than going all digital will be.
Why should they do any of these things? From their perspective profits are through the roof. That’s the only way they measure success.
@UltimateOtaku91
Not sure really as I only really buy big AAA games and never look back. Normally on release day.
Never by FIFA or COD but I think they drop in price quickly.
But once PS go all digital then they won’t reduce as much as there is no second hand disc market.
Probably very slow and small reductions like Nintendo nearly new physical games.
Playstation 6 also needs tons of permanent exclusives in the form of single player games. The PS5 was a huge let down in that regard.
@Northern_munkey I think it’s fair to say that all of us hardcore physical lovers are all very emotional at the moment, and that may result in us being snappish, or reading things the wrong way. This isn’t going to go away any time soon, and I’m sorry in advance if I accidentally insult you at some point, because I’m not going to be shutting up about the matter.
@Northern_munkey Funny how calling everyone who disagrees with him "the faithful" who are "cashing in on the hate vibe" isn't considered insulting, but calling out that smug dismissal suddenly crosses the line. If you want civility, it applies both ways.
@Bingoboyop this. That is word for word how I feel. Apathy and stronger desire to play my backlog which will last well past the ps6. Will I change my mind in the future? It's possible but outside of saying the ps6 will have a disc drive and backward compatibility with the ENTIRE Playstation catalog, I'm good with what I got
@ShadowRJ I'm no hard-core physical lover. I do like my environmentally unfriendly plastic coasters when I can get them cheaper than the wallet gouging digital versions but it's not the end of the world for me if Sony goes all digital as I will only buy their games in sales. I may still jump to pc after this current generation has run its course but I'll just wait and see what happens.
@Titntin Nah we need at least 10 more stories on it for this week alone
Trust and respect are lost quickly and regained slowly.
As for communications, if they have something to say, great but otherwise I prefer stony silence to vacuous Xbox (sorry - XBOX) style wafflings.
@Pat_trick OK bud 👍
PlayStation is NOT at rock bottom. Hermen can still close some studios which didn’t release a new game for a while or never.
Bend?
Haven?
Media Molecule?
Nixxes?
So many opportunities. Choose one!
Naugh…
@DoTheRoar
Ermm but you won't have physical games on pc either, just a digital drm encoded library also
@ShadowRJ Playable? Like Cyberpunk 2077 or Borderlands 4? Good luck to you because games are only going to get worse on disc.
@L_R_V but those games were like that as a pre patched download too
"Where Do We Go from Here?"
Easy you get rid of leadership and replace with competent leadership, problem solved ✌🏻
Rock bottom? Maybe on the internet people are upset but the good majority of gamers don’t sit and complain all day. Digital gaming is over 80% of the purchases made in regards to modern gaming.
PS6 launch titles:
The Last of Us PS6 version
The Last of Us 2 PS6 version
The Kratos Saga Remastered
The Horizon Saga Remastered
Only £50 to upgrade if you own the PS4 or PS5 versions
So I am very distanced from this as my Ps5 is my tertiary console, but I think the only thing Sony can and will do is make more games and spend more on marketing. They delayed sunsetting the older stores before and they aren’t going to (not likely anyway) roll that back again. Especially with the shutdown starting in a month for some.
Honestly these changes seem like calculated losses/risk. Do it now before PS6 because most consumers have short memories or aren’t impacted/care about the issues (Sony has been slowly pivoting to digital for a while by making a digital only Ps5… same as microsoft) and then blow out marketing so people run out and buy the next big box.
@Pat_trick Seeing as you seem offended and I don't really wish to be insulting I'll explain:
"cashing in on the hate vibe" was entirely aimed at the number of such articles we are getting.
"the faithful" was intended to refer to all those who seem to love them so much. I wasn't aware that refering anyone as being faithful was so offensive, so I apologise if that's a dreadful insult and you feel it applies to yourself.
I think the fact you were so offended at words not aimed at you, illustrates that the issue is still very heated and not always subject to rationality. I did not and do not intend to insult.
@Swirly they will when we don’t buy a PS6 mate
@Northern_munkey Kind of you to say that mate, appreciated. But maybe I should just get wasted and not bother posting, I seem to have upset a few
@Titntin fake ragers need it sometimes 👍
My opinion about this is that while it is frustrating, games will likely follow the movie industry's path. Production companies make movies, and physical media companies buy the copyrights to release them on DVD or Blu-ray one to six months later; games will probably do the same. This means physical media won't be Sony's responsibility anymore, but rather the distributing company's. These companies will have to release expensive editions—including manuals, maps, stickers, and steelbooks much more—to encourage sales exclusively to collectors, as regular gamers won't be interested at that price point. Be ready for a scalper's paradise when this happens. However, it will also give new companies an opportunity to shine by adding creative items to physical editions. Sony will likely sell a common accessory, a Blu-ray drive, for the PS6 or PS7, making good money by charging collector-level prices for it.
Nothing to improve on, you’re all hypocrites and will bite immediately for the next releases.
@Anthony_Daniels no but games are much cheaper and you can buy from third party sellers. There are WAY more options on PC. And Sony’s first party games aren’t even that great anymore. New Sony don’t take risks, so their first party games are polished within an inch of their lives, which removes their personality and makes them indistinguishable from one another. Stale open world game with Spider-man… stale open world game with Aloy… stale open world game with Kratos or his wife. Their last truly great game was TLoU (PS3) and ND are a shadow of their former selves - one failure away from being shuttered. Do you really have faith in Intergalactic? Does anyone? They may as well close shop now because that game is going to bomb hard.
If it result in PlayStation game codes being sold at some third party sites like Fanatical, Playsum or Nuuvem like what happens with Steam, I guess I wouldn't be as much mad about the whole situation. But hard to believe that will happen... It's ***** Sony we are talking about... And even worse, a Sony being helmed by a suit who publicly said that he addicted to growth... It will still get way worse before it (if?) gets better.
I have to say this is no different than magnums being the size of half a Milky Way these days, but the same price, don’t kick each other about it, the logistics and manufacturing which goes into you receiving these keep safes is wasted profit.
Personally I have all the gran turismo games on disc, because I love them sitting on my shelves with my best films, but actually I play a digital version because it stops me having to put a disc in and take it out or hear the damn thing spin. These are the times we live in folks,
And so far as everyone hating PlayStation, they don’t care whilst they keep churning out the best tech and games and we keep lining their pockets. I only play gran turismo so I’ve done extremely well from my £60 however many years ago I brought it and the ps pro I brought when I probably didn’t need it
Re: refunds. The reason Steam gives refunds is a game may not run on your specific hardware, that isn’t really an issue on PlayStation with fixed hardware.
Games are entertainment and I’m not sure you should get a refund if you end up not liking it. Same for movies, sports or other entertainment, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
I agree with most of your other points.
@Titntin I have to be honest, when I first saw you say “the faithful” I thought you were talking about the hardcore physical lovers, rather than the people who just dwell in negativity. Thank you for explaining the context.
Fully agree on PS6 needing a way to play physical PS4 and PS5 games. This is now my single biggest concern for PS6.
Give us new Ape Escape and Parappa! Port Vib Ribbon now! Just me on that? 😅
But seriously, I feel like PS has been in an epic freefall since Shu left. Maybe even since Jim Ryan retired
I'm not buying the ps6 you know the ps6 pro will come.sony really want to control you.im a old school gamer and I love physical games.word up son
Meh. Back to PC. That's where it looks like I'm going. I've mostly stayed PlayStation for laziness... Err... Familiarity! And Gran Turismo, but even PD pissed me off with the launch of 7. Maybe I'll pick up one of those Steam Box things...?
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