
As I wrote yesterday, fan sentiment in PlayStation is at its lowest ever ebb.
My colleague Rob Ramsey alluded to this prior to last month’s State of Play show, arguing Sony needed to deliver a banger to revive perception of its flagging brand.
I think its event was adequate but I’m not sure it did much to quell the dissatisfaction of enthusiasts. This week it decided to plunge its reputation by killing physical games.
While I think it’s important to criticise the company for its bad decisions, I think we also need to consider where we go from here. Wallowing and whining will only get us so far.
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I don’t expect an overnight recovery, and I will continue to hold the brand to account, but here’s broadly the set of steps I expect from PlayStation next.
PS Store Simply Must Improve

Ideally, I’d like Sony to reverse its decision to stop making physical games, but I’m concerned by the fact that one of its facilities has already started retraining staff as it looks to manufacture other products.
I think fans should keep the pressure on the company to change its stance, but if that’s simply not possible, then I believe the PS Store is in need of a vast and swift upgrade.
There’s no doubt that Sony’s digital storefront is among the worst and least flexible out of all the options, and if the company is going to force us to interact with it then it must take some necessary steps:
- The firm’s refund policy is not fit for purpose and must be completely revised to at least be on par with its contemporaries, like Steam, which provide full refunds on digital games within a two-hour play window.
- Pricing must be more consistent across regions and territories. In some countries like Brazil, digital PS5 games cost significantly more than they do on Xbox or Switch.
- Sony must provide multiple avenues to purchase digital games, including a variety of vouchers from retailers. Currently it only sells PS Store credit top-ups.
- Additional and oft-requested functionality must be added to the PS Store, including the ability to gift games to other users, as well as fixes to wishlists.
- Improvements must be made to account security, especially in the wake of multiple accounts recently falling victim to social engineering scams.
Sony Must Communicate Clearly and Effectively

I’m certainly not advocating for Xbox-style engagement from PlayStation’s upper-brass, but it’s clear its hands-off approach is not fit for purpose anymore.
The company has failed to engage with fans all generation, allowing toxic stories to linger and keeping its executives out of the public eye.
While I don’t believe we need to hear from bosses Hideaki Nishino or Hermen Hulst on a daily basis, I do believe it’s important they address their audience, explaining decisions and outlining their plans in a clear and concise manner.
Even if this is conducted through official channels, like the PS Blog, it’d represent an improvement on the stand-offish nature of the company today.
PlayStation was at its best when it had engaged leaders like Shawn Layden, Andrew House, and Shuhei Yoshida serving as ambassadors. The company today is a shadow of its former self.
PS6 Must Provide a Method to Play Physical Games

While the PS6 looks poised to be a digital-only device, Sony cannot abandon the decade of physical purchases fans have made for the PS5 and PS4.
The company must provide an adequate solution to play these games, whether it’s via an optional disc drive or some kind of physical-to-digital transfer programme.
Furthermore, the company must communicate its solution clearly and effectively; there can be no room for ambiguity here. That goes hand-in-hand with the above, and executives who are able to address fans clearly and consistently.
I do wonder how much the rumoured handheld aspect of the PS6 is factoring into its plans here, as that’s unlikely to support physical media at all. If that’s the reason, then it would be beneficial for Sony to come out and communicate it, rather than take this cloak-and-dagger approach.
Obviously all of the above needs to come alongside a company committed to delivering exceptional games, but among all of the chaos, I do have faith that titles like Marvel’s Wolverine, God of War Laufey, and Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet are going to deliver.
Sony needs to get back to an approach that lets its software sing, and stop shooting itself in the foot with unforced errors like we’ve seen much of this generation.
The above are just a handful of steps I think the company needs to take, but ideally I want it to go above and beyond to win back trust. This situation isn’t irrecoverable, but it’s going to take some real elbow grease as we move into the PS6 era and beyond.





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Surely the only way is up because let's face it they couldn't be any lower right now.
At least in the eyes of those that matter
The fans
Honestly it is back to being a Nintendo gamer only for me after the PS5. Sony will not change because they have no need to. They see Xbox as their only competition and they are the only company in the world that are run more incompetently than Playstation is.
It’s going to take a long time, but in order to do it, I think it needs to do the following:
1. Find some way to keep the appearance of the physical market alive, even if it means a usb game key that just acts as a Switch 2 game key.
2. It must have games that are specifically designed for really hardcore PS fans, Ape Escape, Jak and Daxter, Vib Ribbon, Gravity Rush, stuff that caters specifically to hardcore fans of the brand.
3. COMMUNICATION, they will be completely tone deaf if they just ignore everything and pretend everything is normal once they return to social media.
I don’t know if any of these are possible, but I don’t see a way that Sony can recover the brand damage otherwise.
I really think the PS5 might be my last console if things keep on this way. It's not just the digital only fiasco but this whole thought that the industry has developed that gaming is this fine luxury cuisine or something. I have an entire lifetime of backlog to get through, thousands of amazing masterpieces I haven't played yet. I don't need you, games Industry. I'm not going to be held hostage and forced to pay a premium just for the "privilege" of playing a video game. I don't need you Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Steam.
The PS store need up-grading way before this news even came out. Once again they NEED to implement the disc-to-digital strategy like Xbox, that to me is the best outcome (obvs not ideal) going forward. Oh and they need to have the stream like refund policy.
Meh they're just the first ones to speak up. The writing has been on the wall for a long time regarding physical media.
Sony either just don’t care or have a terribly naive marketing department. Communication has been awful for years.
In regards to ditching physical, they have missed that hardcore fans and collectors may not drive the most revenue, but they maintain a culture that gets others invested in the community. To throw them away is madness.
Not to mention the madness of throwing away the biggest advantage - the games players have collected from past generations locking them into the ecosystem. Now new consoles won’t benefit from that.
The writing has been on the wall a long time though. Since 2018, when a large community of open minded gamers were crapped on in order to pander to non or casual gamers demanding censorship of the games and devs Sony built their name on in many markets.
I only really stayed with Sony due to VR and my history/trophy collection. The former is better on PC unfortunately. The later not enough to keep me.
The only way for Sony to pull this bad PR around is to announce a slew of pro consumer digital changes - return periods and trading of licenses being the big ones.
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Completely agree. While I think the pivot to digital-only is a done deal, there needs to be substantial investment in improving that digital-only experience.
Clearly we just keep making more stories about it to drive engagement and get the faithful all rilled up again?
Nothing has changed for me at all, I'm delighted that they have finally announced their plans to ditch plastic download tickets. I hope whenever some sensible conversations are encouraged again, we can get to talk about ideas for game preservation, changes to the store etc, but till then I guess its just time to cash in on the hate vibe.
Without new physical games, I don't need a PS6. I haven't bought and never will buy a single digital game from the PS Store. In 2028 I'll still have a PS5 for old games. I'll use PC and Switch 2 for new games.
I’m just out.
PS5 Pro is my last Sony made console.
My backlog will not be denied. Sony has zero power over me to make me jump to PS6 and the all-digital no-physical bleh.
Where do we go from here?
If Sony doesn't treat customers well, then we go away from Sony.
For me, it could be PC and Nintendo. Maybe Evercade.
@Titntin I was thinking the same thing to be honest, we best get settled in, with the amount of articles that will come out of this...
Edit: Oh and take a shot every time you see "Last console" or "I'm moving to PC"
There is always basement. I say we go there now
@Damage99 Agreed. To be honest, I think many of these things applied before killing physical games.
@DoTheRoar that's a bit of a stretch with the pearl harbor thing,but okay
I understand why they're doing this. The ps6 is simple going to cost to much, anything that isn't necessary must go in order to lower that price and unfortunately (oh so unfortunately) that means the 15% of us buying physical must lose out a bit.
I don't like it, but I imagine Sony (or Xbox) didn't want to do this either. Who'd want this kind of reaction but what choice did they have?
However, I do believe the ps store needs a lot of improvement now. If they do, I'll (begrudgingly) let it slide.
People being so mad about this when everyone knew every system was going to be digital only in the next few years is a bit much.
Everyone just needs to wait and see if they announce a disc drive option next year. They have no need to talk about this anymore right now because the hate will still be on every post or anything they say.
If the PS6 is digital only, Helix digital only and then eventually the Switch will join them. This is all expected to happen so people just have to deal with it. The rage will be everywhere for a few weeks and when the layoffs happen at Microsoft next week that will be what everyone is talking about.
This was going to happen no matter what. Since most consoles make money of digital anyways.
@Titntin "I hope whenever some sensible conversations are encouraged again, we can get to talk about ideas for game preservation, changes to the store etc, but till then I guess its just time to cash in on the hate vibe."
Are some of these things not exactly what's in the article? Particularly improvements to the Store/digital experience?
Vast majority don't care and Sony don't care that a few people on the internet are angry at them over this. I'm not defending Sony its more i'm being blunt with reality. Sony's shares have gone up with this news do you really think they care Push Square is angry at them? End of the day they care more about money then the feelings of gamers, they aren't are friends they don't care about us or how we feel about them they just care about are money.
Anyone who supported digital gaming have only themselves to blame honestly. Every purchase made on PSN gave Sony more ammo. 85% of people voted with their wallets for digital.
Its going to fun watching all the people angry at this blindly throw money at GTA VI in a few months without a care in the world. If you care that much don't support GTA VI in a few months. By supporting it you're supporting Sony's vision.
Just to think of it, I think we all knew this will be coming, but it would have been much lessen uproar if they done the next gen as the last physical supported consoles. It would have given another 10 years, meaning whole new generation of people that have not known the feel of owning physical media and are used to licenses and subscriptions. PC is the best place to play now, since if Sony goes down in the future, all your money spent will be gone too, but even if steam was to do the same you can still play games unaffected either via gog or any other storefront, or just download your games that you had purchased through the other means if necessary. This won't happen anymore with playstation unless someone actually publish a holy grain of hack that enables custom downloads.
@Oram77 I agree but Sony won't say anything until they officially reveal the PS6.
@Oram77 Yeah the amount of articles talking about "We need a response now" when they just announced it yesterday and it doesn't take place until 2028 are overboard.
People saying "I'm done with Playstation", or "I'm not buying games on the system anymore" will still play games and buy games on the system once they get over it. Especially if they make a disc drive when this whole process happens, if they don't it is what it is.
I will miss good sales on games though but we will see in a year and a half how all of this happens.
Thank goodness some people on here are reasonable and not nonstop angry, just some lol.
I have not been buying to many games this jen because of all the digital games so its only a small step for me to say good by Sony and Microsoft .
@Titntin
Storm in a teacup...I haven't bought a physical game in years, far too lazy to swap discs in and out of the console.
I hope Sony fix up the Store and offer to sell us cheap digital versions of our remaining discs....
@Titntin
You mean “saleable/tradeable download tickets”, which is the main point when digital doesn’t have that option, nor a semblance of a return policy.
@Suur You think PC gaming in 2026 is cheaper then consoles? The Steam Machine is a PC at over 1K and its weaker then a PS5.
The handheld unit could be fine without a disc drive.
Basically, you would put your disc in a Playstation device (like your PS5 or PS4) and connect it to your PSN account. Then you would be allotted a certain amount of time to play it digitally. Maybe 2 weeks to a month. You would re-verify the game when time runs out and you want to continue to play it on your handheld PS6
That is not perfect or ideal for many, but it is an easy enough workaround, I think.
@DennisReynolds I'm assuming you didn't mean it this way, but your phrasing kind of makes it sound like folks who buy digital games are on the wrong side of history or something.
In the UK, physical editions are a lot cheaper than their digital counterparts (I got Pragmata for £40 day one on Amazon for example).
I'm not against spending £70 or even £80 on some super AAA mega game (Witcher IV for example) but those games are very rare exceptions, I'm not gonna do it for most and I think that's what worries me here.
I'm simple gonna be priced out of day one games which sucks. I like supporting games that do something I like, but my budget only goes so far.
What actually is the value proposition of the PS6? I can't seem to find one. I haven't heard anything that makes me think it is a must buy item.
Likely an overpriced console with more expensive digital only games in a closed eco-system that charges a monthly fee for the "privilege" of playing online and backing up your save games.
Why would anyone want that?
@get2sammyb
But they're not allowed to say mean things about a faceless company because it makes me mad and sad.
@DennisReynolds “a few people angry about this”
I haven’t seen outrage this high over gaming since the Xbox One reveal. If it was just a few angry people, why did Sony feel the need to go silent?
I think that Sony will need to take a hit in their pocketbook before they'll wise up. Would be nice if they had some actual competition to make this happen, but it'll probably be due to their anti-consumer practices and increased prices causing sales to drop. But it'll likely need to be a BIG drop before they actually do anything. They've gotten away with being arrogant for so long now, that it's unlikely they'll change anytime soon.
I think Sony is at an all time low to a certain part of their userbase. However, i think the majority that doesnt follow daily industry news isnt even aware of whats going on tbh. Some will hear about it months later and just shrug
@blah01 First time I seen anyone admit to being lazy to change/swap discs, no joke.
@Titntin As much uproar that's online, they're in the minority. Most gamers are already fully digital. I knew was inevitable, even if I'm not thrilled about it. Still, going to enjoy gaming. This isn't enough to make me quit.
@Nf157
Of course they wanted to do it, they just needed an excuse, even a bad one (and it is a bad one, as 15% of the current market is still way more than 85% of the ps3 market in financial terms).
The reason they want it is virtual store monopoly and the destruction of the second hand game market, giving them greater pricing control. The same reason every publisher wants it.
It’s short sighted as it will reduce the future player base, but then business is designed around short term gains.
@Titntin Yep this same article got posted yesterday. Whose turn is it tomorrow?
All of these cost more money to Sony, so they will do absolutely none of them.
The PS6 will not sell well at first. Price will be too high and incremental improvements will not be enough for many people. On top of that a loss of physical products and a crummy PSN Store experience (as listed in the article including consumer rights/protections).
But I bet the only thing Sony blames is the price and "Market Conditions."
If Sony's going to go all in on digital, then they definitely need to improve their store, cause it needs it.
I am walking away from playstation all together after being there since the ps1. The price tag has gotten out of hand, the exclusives aint what they used to be, now we cant rely on cheap discs on clearance/reselling.
The grass is greener on PC.
@Titntin I’ll stop getting riled up when Sony actually either backtracks or implements some sort of compromise that doesn’t destroy the physical market.
@ShadowRJ The petition you have linked has 3.023 votes. Again I buy most of my games on discs and even I knew we were going down this road, so I've done my part, doesn't look like many others have.
Ever felt the Gaming World not producing enough quality Games.
No problem Digital only PS6 will freshen up the gaming World and nobody will be able to resist what's coming.
I can't say I love the news but as someone that has kind of gone back and forth on physical and digital, all the news has done is make me feel like I should just lean more into digital now as that's just the way the wind is blowing. This is an industry shift, not a Playstation shift.
There have many canaries in the coal mines that this was coming. GTA6 being the biggest one.
I think the most important thing now is to improve the digital experience. (better ownership protections, better refund policies,etc.) I loved physical games as much the next guy but I just don't see any way back to that so we may as well either look forward or become a retro only player.
I feel like this is worse than anything ps3 era sony has ever done and has ever been like. It's just baffling how they don't seem to care how bad theyve looked mostly all gen long
@wildcat_kickz I'm saying those who don't like what Sony are doing should have thought about the possible implications when they bought a digital game that can also be got in disc form. They should also consider the message they're sending when happily buying GTA VI. There's no right or wrong side to this there's just what people wanted and supported most and well that's digital like it or not.
@get2sammyb They are Sammy, but in general we don't get to talk to you. I've found it increasingly difficult to have a sensible conversation on the subjects with the people posting here. I guess theres a lot of anger and hate being spread and people don't have much rationale thought under such conditions.
For what its worth, I thought you came up with a lot of stuff that needs to be talked about! I'm just not that sure the majority of the audience wants to have those discussions, they just seem to want to tell us they are never playing games again or similar 🤷
Edit: Having just read my initial post again, I wasn't at all clear I was refering to chat. And then to make matters worse we had loads of perfectly reasonable posts actually talking about the issue with some more sense.
They do nothing the general public either don’t know or don’t care.
I asked a couple at work today, they went it will be what it is, casual type gamers.
They are in the PS ecosystem they are not going anywhere in their masses.
Sony just need to release some very good games keep great second and third party support, keep the FIFA and COD crowd smiling.
It’s simple, ride the storm and keep smiling.
As for competition for Sony, Nintendo sell game consoles its competition and Sony are starting to get spanked in the monthly console sales chart.
So Sony do have competition, because if the switch and switch 2 did not exist, the gamers and general public would by a PS5, even only 50% did that is tens of millions of PS5 sales.
I see some people outraged about this were the first to argue with me why it does NOT make financial sense for Sony to offer FREE online play like it used to be, because Plus subs keep increasing. Now same Sony thinks it doesn't make financial sense to continue physical and you're crying.
Simple, we keep gaming (assuming it’s still enjoyable). A lot of the social media discourse reminds me of addicts going through withdrawal, and I think it’s important to be mindful and avoid getting to that point.
@Bizzy Well the PS6 has yet to be revealed or priced so no one buy Sony knows. What's the value on a 1500K+ PC weaker then a PS5 Pro?
All good points that I agree with Sammy. Especially the refund policy.
@4fold I don't disagree with you. Improvements to the digital sales path and rights are clearly needed.
@AI-Generation Was speaking to my Sister's BF about this whose a PC gamer and he legit thought PS5 was all digital anyway and shrugged at the news. He's pretty casual and doesn't follow gaming news he just plays whatever looks good to him or what's popular with his brothers or what i recommend. He really doesn't see what the big deal is.
@DennisReynolds I see what you're saying. Markets are gonna market. I don't know if anyone should scrutinize their purchases to that extent, though. Ultimately, the decision was Sony's to make and the blame lies with them. It's an extreme example, but I liken it to blaming a neighbor for global warming if they leave the light on.
@Oram77 even if nothing we do works, there’s no reason why we shouldn’t at least try to get our voice heard. I don’t care if some people here are already fed up of the discourse, I won’t be shutting up about the biggest threat to gaming since the crash of the 1980s
@DennisReynolds A 1500K+ PC offers far more long‑term value than a PS6/PS5/Pro because you’re buying into an open ecosystem where hardware, software and storefronts aren’t locked behind a single company’s rules. Games are typically cheaper thanks to frequent Steam, GOG, and Epic sales, plus true ownership without subscription gating. That same machine also doubles as a full productivity workstation for work, study, creative tools and unrestricted internet access. Giving you far broader utility than a closed console designed primarily for gaming.
@DanijoEX
Thanks... I'm definitely a lazy ***** 😁
@TheArt Becuase you went against the agenda, regarding the online debate, I said in the article they should make another tier purely for online purposes which is at a reduced cost.
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@DennisReynolds let’s put the reverse scenario to your sister’s BF. What if all of a sudden, Valve decided to stop ever doing digital distribution. If you want to play PC games from now on, you have to get discs from stores. Would he see the big deal then?
@ShadowRJ In the grand scheme its a few. 85% are all digital remember. Sony knew they would get backlash so keep quiet for a few days and they back to business when something else has angered the gaming world. Their shares have rose at this news they are most likely celebrating.
The meltdown about this is crazy like all this drama is NOT gonna change the fact the digital media now is at least 80% of the sales, people is gonna still buy they digital media, people are still buying they games and People are DEFINETIVLY buying TONS of the GTA VI copies WITHOUT the disc(if you want change anything i mean trie convence people not buy digital media good luck with that)
Step one: Fire Hermen Hulst
Step two: New IP, new IP, and more New IP from remaining PlayStation Studios. There once was a time when each generation represented new ideas and characters, and the biggest problem for PS6 (besides the price and lack of discs) is that it’ll probably launch with not a single new IP that helps to define it. If they don’t make new IP (and it doesn’t have to be huge and expensive) during that generation, PS6 will be the most boring (and expensive) console to date.
Well Sonys stock market price has actually risen slightly, so I don't think they or their investors give a flying f what us gamers think or want
Sony needs to do this, Sony needs to do that. Sometimes I think people mistake a global (giant) company for a government of a country.
My heart goes out to those that are really sad about this change. Yet, this outrage is as pretentious as any other in the past few years. And it will be dust in the wind by next week. As always.
Sony (and Microsoft who have a worse image) have set out the way they plan to deal with the economy with mass firings, multiple price rises, and changes in customer rights. They seem unable to change this now, desperate to release their new consoles that it seems the entire fandom is apathetic about. They haven’t made this generation of consoles worthwhile to justify abandoning them and expecting even money for a new console.
Frankly I don’t think anything can help either company. They are blindly assuming their brands are more important than the products and business practises they are flogging, saying one thing about getting back to what the customer wants but doing another.
I think Playstation and XBox need a cold shower of reality and need to experience a loss in players and money to realise this isn’t good enough. We get times are tough, but at a certain point no shiny game or improved UI is going to improve trust. I know I’m not willing to gamble thousands of pounds any more that the next generation of consoles will be worth my time.
@DennisReynolds Why do people keep saying this 15 percent when they know it's not the whole truth? Ghosts of Yotei had 23 percent that bought physical for example and Resident Evil nine kept selling out of physical copies it was so popular.
You see the 15 percent and don't factor in that lots of small indy stuff is digital only, and it's all lumped together.
Now I have 0ver 100 digital games and don't give a damn about discs, but I do care about the finer details when people say things.
@Member_the_game Do not underestimate them. I am pretty sure that they still have plenty of bad ideas in their bag of bad ideas.
At this stage, I'm conviced that some Heads at PlayStation are there to sabotage the company.
I'm gonna stick the kettle on and finish 007 First Light.
@hrommar Exactly GTA6 alone has proven that fact.
@ShadowRJ Don't think he cares about a future that will never happen in his lifetime.
What if i got hit by a car today walking to work? What if my sis BF was involved in a car crash while driving to pick me up from up? What if internet was to stop worldwide for good? What if my Cats go missing when i let them out? What if my PS5 Pro explodes?
Yeah most people don't live in what if's world.
Indie devs and hardware less focused on graphics are where we go, IMO.
@DennisReynolds fair enough, bad analogy. The point is that for hardcore physical collectors like myself, this is the equivalent of Sony snapping my neck.
As I climb upon the highest horse I can find to talk directly down to all the angry little lambs a warm sense of self satisfaction drifts over me.
I am sensible, they are silly. I despair. You should listen to my voice of wisdom as I decry the lack of truly adult conversations. A solitary tear rolls down my cheek as people get angry at Sony.
@Bizzy Then why didn't you jump into PC train much sooner? PC has drawbacks mind you, its costly to get into, requires more storage for games, requires more setting changes to get the game right, has endless dodgy ports from Devs who don't give a damn to do a decent PC port. There's a reason console gaming is super popular still.
@Oram77 😆 Naaaah not you mate, I don't even remember arguing with you, I'm sure I agreed to that free online tier suggestion. My comment is directed at some other people.
Just a bunch of whiners man. PlayStation struck out a couple times chasing the live service trend and then decided to stop making physical games for next gen. What’s going on at Xbox right now actually sucks so let’s cut the bs about PlayStation being at rock bottom.
@Member_the_game 'The only way to go is up...'
Tomorrow's headline: 'Sony insists Harambe deserved it and worse'
@TheArt Oh no I wasn't arguing with you on that, just saying you went against the current agenda and got push back for it, we're all good brother 👍
@glennthefrog Harambe getting mentioned in 2026 is wild....
@DennisReynolds I did! I have a great PC thanks! I have a few actually. I built them all. I love the tinkering and swapping and changing.
I bought every PS since PS1. I have a lovely collection of disc based games. I was looking forward to more of the same from PS6 but the value proposition hasn't been given to me. I was hoping someone like yourself was going to be able to tell me what the USP was.
If you ignore the obvious Xbox and PC trolls then you have a similar amount of genuine backlash as they did when closing Bluepoint, which kinda died down after a week. So I think after people have calmed down and took in the news then more will be accepting of a digital future, especially once they realise it's either the same elsewhere, or is going to be. The same happened with Nintendo when they found out about GKC's, it's now more widely accepted with a few here and there still holding a grudge. But for the bigger picture, it had little to no impact on Switch 2 console or game sales.
I think Sony could still offer something to ease those in genuine uproar over this though, like a disk to digital feature for older games or a GKC alternative.
@LemanRusk Awesome put down, 👏
@ShadowRJ I agree it sucks for you and others. Giving a choice i wouldn't wish physical gaming away its just most don't care nowadays. Its why streaming is king and cinema's and DVD's/BD are suffering. We're at a critical point now where how media consumed is heavily changing and its why i just gave in and embraced it years ago. As soon as Steam arrived the clock started ticking down to when we are now, ironically i used to fear gaming would end up like Steam/PC gaming and while i no longer fear it i was right in my prediction.
Honestly I simply don't care anymore. I am done. It's not them getting rid of physical games, it's just everything that they seem to do is done in this bone headed way that tells me that this company has no executives left that actually understand or care about the gamers.
Even if they reverse this decision, I am done. I don't even care about gta vi anymore. I know it will sell a lot, I know Sony will sell a ton of PS5s due to that but I am just tired man.
Ofcourse it's not just Sony but also the industry as a whole. It's hard to get excited about anything when there are a hundred strings attached, trying to leech every last cent out of us.
I have a pretty backlog, I'll slowly make my way through it. Maybe buy an indie title here and there and maybe I'll buy a PS5 when my current machine dies since I have a very large library on the platform but yeah. The gaming industry execs won. All that's left in me is apathy.
@Bizzy Well if you have a gaming PC already i guess it makes more sense to just stick with that for now then.
Sony absolutely can abandon a decade a physical purchases. It's what they did when PS4 launched - they looked at the last three generations, shrugged, and told people to get over it. They did it with PS Vita when PSP titles weren't even in the same form factor.
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@DennisReynolds
Most general public and casuals won’t worry about it and of course all digital gamers like me don’t really care.
Like I said before on here yesterday, great for the environment, less plastic stuff and machines and energy usage making the disc and cases and the raw materials etc.
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@CheesyOatcake You're arguing against a position nobody took. Nobody called him a fool for liking digital. He's a fool because he caricatured everyone with concerns as outrage merchants instead of engaging with the actual arguments. That's intellectual laziness, not an environmental position.
His smug dismissal of legitimate concerns and his eagerness to run interference for a multi-billion-pound corporation was the foolish act. If you can't tell the difference, you're making my point for me.
Selling us on the PlayStation 6 more and more every day aren’t they.
@AI-Generation As an all digital gamer, in your experience how long does it take for a new AAA gamevto go on sale after release? I'm starting to go all digital from next week starting with Echoes of Aincrad and there's a few games in September I will be looking to get as well but I don't want to be paying the full price for all of them.
I get people want physical discs but with the massive day one patches and months of following performance patches, do you really need the disc? You want to play a broken launch game? Most likely downloading all of the patches is just downloading the fixed game in it's entirety
At this point steam is a likey option for me. I like physical games, but if it goes all digital I can get steam games a lot cheaper then PlayStation, I like first party PlayStation games but there output this gen has be a disgrace, and with steam wouldn't have to pay for online.
@L_R_V The only game I can think of that was perfect straight out of the box with no day 1 patch was Stellar Blade.
I haven't bought a single physical game in 10 years, but this news is just compounding to a lot of bad moves Sony is making.
Price increases in across the board, increasingly poor PS Plus lineups, locking back up saves to PS Plus users, still locking online play for PS Plus users, pushing for GaaS and failing miserably, closing beloved studios, closing of ps3/vita store, movie licensing fiasco, letting slop games fill the store, psn account requirements on pc, account hacking through social engineering, and now the possibility of a 1.000 USD PS6.
It's just been bad news after bad news, but many of us are too invested to pull out now.
@AI-Generation Yeah exactly. I've been digital gaming for nearly 10 years now. Yeah it sucks for disc users and i hope there's an optional disc drive to play PS4/PS5 games but overall nothing has changed for me personally. Hell i just bought a digital game today as i pre- ordered the AC4 remake.
@L_R_V Look at Crimson Desert the game on disc is a very different game to what it is now.
>I do have faith that titles like Marvel’s Wolverine, God of War Laufey, and Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet are going to deliver.
I have faith in neither of those.
I hear and read a lot of emotion about this topic of digital vs. physical. That's to be expected. However, the important debate isn't about how it makes you feel. The important part is the facts concerning removal of physical media.
In a nutshell, With physical media:
-You decide when to play it.
-You decide when to sell it.
-You decide when to lend it.
-No internet required (on most)
-No account required.
-No company approval required.
With digital:
-Your access depends on servers.
-Your access depends on account status.
-Your access depends on licensing agreements.
-Your access depends on DRM.
-Your access depends on a company's continued existence.
One gives you possession.
The other gives you permission.
These are facts, not feelings. This is the objective reality of physical media going away, not the subjective feeling we may or may not have about it.
It’s funny how you say Sony doesn’t care anymore . Wake up. A corporate company has never cared, lol.
Also, the ones moaning with the loudest voice probably only buy a small handful of games a year , and has subscriptions to platforms like Netflix , Hulu , Spotify and so on. So it’s okay for music and movies but not for games . A bit hypocritical, ey .
It's really sad to see people flailing about after finding out they're in the minority.
@UltimateOtaku91 Depends on the Publisher. Ubi for instance is famous for putting games on sale very quick. I think for most you will start seeing discounts within a month. The trick is waiting until a massive sales happens like a summer or xmas one because the discounts are usually much better and they usually impact the ultimate or deluxe versions where they will go for far lower then what the base game originally cost.
It will have as much effect as Rockstar’s silence toward GTA6.
People get angry, I’m not happy about it either , but there isn’t much we can do at this point. Especially, when physical sales are around 12%.
Just throwing it out there, I recently bought Pragmata and 007 physically.
@Member_the_game Oh, there is definitely one more thing that immediately comes to my mind that they could do to take this lower. It wouldn’t surprise me if they removed the family function that way every single user on a single system has to own a game to play it.
Stock went up 3% since the announcement lol
Most people are not bothered by this move.
@Damage99 Wonder will we get the same reaction when the other ones follow suit.
Just stop giving them money. This is what the brass is telling their shareholders:
"For the next-generation platform, rather than simply serving as an alternative to PCs, we aim to deliver value that is unique to PlayStation."
"...we are focusing more on monetizing our user base"
"We expect to recover the costs... through revenue generated from PS Plus"
Nickel and diming us is their goal. Not getting us games, and certainly not games that we can actually own.
I don't think their reputation is at rock bottom at all!!
There's far more lower levels it can reach!!!
The premise of this article is that wallowing and whining will only get you so far, but it then proceeds to just calmly and rationally enumerate a wish list.
I would argue that whining or wishful thinking on a user blog are both equally pointless, from the perspective of the C-suite in charge. They only listen to MONEY.
Do a single thing that is pro-consumer over being pro-shareholder. Just one thing. Does anyone remember the last time they did something for their customers to the detriment of their bottom line? I know... business = profit and all but you have to think beyond the next quarter. They haven't for a long time.
@Pat_trick I've known @Tintin for a long time now and we don't always agree 100% on things including digital vs physical but I can tell you now he's no fool and is probably one of the most level headed contributors to this site. No need to be insulting just because you don't agree with him.
@L_R_V I don’t understand your point. In your worst case scenario, I’ll still have a playable version of the game on disc, and the day 1 patches and subsequent patches will be all there on digital anyway.
Why should they do any of these things? From their perspective profits are through the roof. That’s the only way they measure success.
@UltimateOtaku91
Not sure really as I only really buy big AAA games and never look back. Normally on release day.
Never by FIFA or COD but I think they drop in price quickly.
But once PS go all digital then they won’t reduce as much as there is no second hand disc market.
Probably very slow and small reductions like Nintendo nearly new physical games.
Playstation 6 also needs tons of permanent exclusives in the form of single player games. The PS5 was a huge let down in that regard.
@Northern_munkey I think it’s fair to say that all of us hardcore physical lovers are all very emotional at the moment, and that may result in us being snappish, or reading things the wrong way. This isn’t going to go away any time soon, and I’m sorry in advance if I accidentally insult you at some point, because I’m not going to be shutting up about the matter.
@Northern_munkey Funny how calling everyone who disagrees with him "the faithful" who are "cashing in on the hate vibe" isn't considered insulting, but calling out that smug dismissal suddenly crosses the line. If you want civility, it applies both ways.
@Bingoboyop this. That is word for word how I feel. Apathy and stronger desire to play my backlog which will last well past the ps6. Will I change my mind in the future? It's possible but outside of saying the ps6 will have a disc drive and backward compatibility with the ENTIRE Playstation catalog, I'm good with what I got
@ShadowRJ I'm no hard-core physical lover. I do like my environmentally unfriendly plastic coasters when I can get them cheaper than the wallet gouging digital versions but it's not the end of the world for me if Sony goes all digital as I will only buy their games in sales. I may still jump to pc after this current generation has run its course but I'll just wait and see what happens.
@Titntin Nah we need at least 10 more stories on it for this week alone
Trust and respect are lost quickly and regained slowly.
As for communications, if they have something to say, great but otherwise I prefer stony silence to vacuous Xbox (sorry - XBOX) style wafflings.
@Pat_trick OK bud 👍
PlayStation is NOT at rock bottom. Hermen can still close some studios which didn’t release a new game for a while or never.
Bend?
Haven?
Media Molecule?
Nixxes?
So many opportunities. Choose one!
Naugh…
@DoTheRoar
Ermm but you won't have physical games on pc either, just a digital drm encoded library also
@ShadowRJ Playable? Like Cyberpunk 2077 or Borderlands 4? Good luck to you because games are only going to get worse on disc.
@L_R_V but those games were like that as a pre patched download too
"Where Do We Go from Here?"
Easy you get rid of leadership and replace with competent leadership, problem solved ✌🏻
Rock bottom? Maybe on the internet people are upset but the good majority of gamers don’t sit and complain all day. Digital gaming is over 80% of the purchases made in regards to modern gaming.
PS6 launch titles:
The Last of Us PS6 version
The Last of Us 2 PS6 version
The Kratos Saga Remastered
The Horizon Saga Remastered
Only £50 to upgrade if you own the PS4 or PS5 versions
So I am very distanced from this as my Ps5 is my tertiary console, but I think the only thing Sony can and will do is make more games and spend more on marketing. They delayed sunsetting the older stores before and they aren’t going to (not likely anyway) roll that back again. Especially with the shutdown starting in a month for some.
Honestly these changes seem like calculated losses/risk. Do it now before PS6 because most consumers have short memories or aren’t impacted/care about the issues (Sony has been slowly pivoting to digital for a while by making a digital only Ps5… same as microsoft) and then blow out marketing so people run out and buy the next big box.
@Pat_trick Seeing as you seem offended and I don't really wish to be insulting I'll explain:
"cashing in on the hate vibe" was entirely aimed at the number of such articles we are getting.
"the faithful" was intended to refer to all those who seem to love them so much. I wasn't aware that refering anyone as being faithful was so offensive, so I apologise if that's a dreadful insult and you feel it applies to yourself.
I think the fact you were so offended at words not aimed at you, illustrates that the issue is still very heated and not always subject to rationality. I did not and do not intend to insult.
@Swirly they will when we don’t buy a PS6 mate
@Northern_munkey Kind of you to say that mate, appreciated. But maybe I should just get wasted and not bother posting, I seem to have upset a few
@Titntin fake ragers need it sometimes 👍
My opinion about this is that while it is frustrating, games will likely follow the movie industry's path. Production companies make movies, and physical media companies buy the copyrights to release them on DVD or Blu-ray one to six months later; games will probably do the same. This means physical media won't be Sony's responsibility anymore, but rather the distributing company's. These companies will have to release expensive editions—including manuals, maps, stickers, and steelbooks much more—to encourage sales exclusively to collectors, as regular gamers won't be interested at that price point. Be ready for a scalper's paradise when this happens. However, it will also give new companies an opportunity to shine by adding creative items to physical editions. Sony will likely sell a common accessory, a Blu-ray drive, for the PS6 or PS7, making good money by charging collector-level prices for it.
Nothing to improve on, you’re all hypocrites and will bite immediately for the next releases.
@Anthony_Daniels no but games are much cheaper and you can buy from third party sellers. There are WAY more options on PC. And Sony’s first party games aren’t even that great anymore. New Sony don’t take risks, so their first party games are polished within an inch of their lives, which removes their personality and makes them indistinguishable from one another. Stale open world game with Spider-man… stale open world game with Aloy… stale open world game with Kratos or his wife. Their last truly great game was TLoU (PS3) and ND are a shadow of their former selves - one failure away from being shuttered. Do you really have faith in Intergalactic? Does anyone? They may as well close shop now because that game is going to bomb hard.
If it result in PlayStation game codes being sold at some third party sites like Fanatical, Playsum or Nuuvem like what happens with Steam, I guess I wouldn't be as much mad about the whole situation. But hard to believe that will happen... It's ***** Sony we are talking about... And even worse, a Sony being helmed by a suit who publicly said that he addicted to growth... It will still get way worse before it (if?) gets better.
I have to say this is no different than magnums being the size of half a Milky Way these days, but the same price, don’t kick each other about it, the logistics and manufacturing which goes into you receiving these keep safes is wasted profit.
Personally I have all the gran turismo games on disc, because I love them sitting on my shelves with my best films, but actually I play a digital version because it stops me having to put a disc in and take it out or hear the damn thing spin. These are the times we live in folks,
And so far as everyone hating PlayStation, they don’t care whilst they keep churning out the best tech and games and we keep lining their pockets. I only play gran turismo so I’ve done extremely well from my £60 however many years ago I brought it and the ps pro I brought when I probably didn’t need it
Re: refunds. The reason Steam gives refunds is a game may not run on your specific hardware, that isn’t really an issue on PlayStation with fixed hardware.
Games are entertainment and I’m not sure you should get a refund if you end up not liking it. Same for movies, sports or other entertainment, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
I agree with most of your other points.
@Titntin I have to be honest, when I first saw you say “the faithful” I thought you were talking about the hardcore physical lovers, rather than the people who just dwell in negativity. Thank you for explaining the context.
Fully agree on PS6 needing a way to play physical PS4 and PS5 games. This is now my single biggest concern for PS6.
Give us new Ape Escape and Parappa! Port Vib Ribbon now! Just me on that? 😅
But seriously, I feel like PS has been in an epic freefall since Shu left. Maybe even since Jim Ryan retired
I'm not buying the ps6 you know the ps6 pro will come.sony really want to control you.im a old school gamer and I love physical games.word up son
Meh. Back to PC. That's where it looks like I'm going. I've mostly stayed PlayStation for laziness... Err... Familiarity! And Gran Turismo, but even PD pissed me off with the launch of 7. Maybe I'll pick up one of those Steam Box things...?
No physical no ps6
Playstation need new leadership asap before current incompetent people damage the brand even more...
$1000+ digital box = Absolutely zero chance i buy PS6.
Where do we go? Sony doesn't care and won't care until the outcry isn't just hollow words yelled from the current bandwagon of the day. You want change, vote with your lack of giving them money. It's the only route to change.
Where does Sony go from here? I think once this takes effect your are really going to see how important it was that most gamers basically just shrugged their shoulders and moved kn everytime they pulled a scum move. They have history to show the drones will eventually just fall in line.
One scum move in particular, that was quickly forgotten, but will soon become one hell of an ugly beast post all digital: Sony's ps store dynamic pricing scheme.
@LiamOliver you could get a better pc for the same price.
@themightyant I see the logic in that, but being locked to a store that doesn't let you resell games means buying any game becomes increasingly risky. I guess time will tell with game codes from other retailers how prices are affected, but maybe they'll start letting people have an hour with a game?
I've raised this with the CMA, remembering to use simple language, but then, they're about as useful as a chocolate fireguard anyway.
Anyone thinking all of this is going to lead to an improved digital store, cheaper games etc are simply living in delulu-land.
What you're gonna get is higher priced first party games, even worse sale prices, those £56.22p sale prices on PS5 games will seem like the golden age and to top it all off, dynamic pricing for everyone with a delicious side serving of more AI rot integrated into the UI as a lovely side dish.
BLEAK
@Northern_munkey Oh, yeah, I know. Hell, I've the bones of one here already, but it really was laziness over familiarity. I mean, how long have component makers had to get their heads around CEC?!?
What do you mean "Where do we go from here?"
I instantly hardpassed PS5 on release date.
So, I gave total of 0 (zero) penny in this disgraceful generation.
No PS5
No PS5 Pro
Not a single PS5 game, I ever purchased.
Nada!
I may also hardpass PS6 if sony continues on it's anti-consumer policies.
In a way, dynamic pricing will still mean you can get your games at cheaper prices once the hype dies down, so I don’t know what the fuss is about, ppl wait these days for prices to drop, won’t be any different, I can imagine GTA6 of 10 years time might cost a small fortune, if everyone buys it day 1, but remember, if we don’t buy these guys can’t price high
There is absolutely no conceivable situation where I buy a PS6. At this point, there could not be a greater waste of my money.
@DoTheRoar
Lol ok then, good thing you're quitting playstation since their games are so boring to you.
They're no longer on PC so you won't have to worry about intergalactic and the rest ever again
@Intr1n5ic
Its a really good game. Done 2 full run throughs now, and completed all challenges in the main story (ie not tacsim), and git all collectibles.
As this impacts the life of small businesses and the high street, culture in terms of collectors, the ability of people without a superfast connection to play any game, and the fact Sony now has a complete pricing monopoly, which they use to negatively inflate prices at the expense of the consumer, I believe this is a matter for the CMA and government, and have written to my MP to express that opinion. I recommend everyone else do the same.
I have the PS5 Pro & it's my last PlayStation, no way I'm buying a PS6.
Nice article @get2sammyb and I totally agree “PlayStation was at its best when it had engaged leaders like Shawn Layden, Andrew House, and Shuhei Yoshida.”
It’s crazy how much Sony have dropped the ball since that change of execs. It’s like their old slogan “for the players” translates now to “for ourselves.”
Sony should get their cheque book out and get those execs out of retirement to right this ship. Give them whatever they want to stop the rot the current fools have started.
@Norkren same. I can see myself having a switch and steamdeck or whatever else has multiple storefronts.
My interest in PS6 fell through the floor overnight.
@Titntin Fair enough, and I appreciate the clarification.
I interpreted "the faithful" and "cashing in on the hate vibe" as referring to the people raising concerns rather than just the articles themselves. If that wasn't your intention, then I accept that.
That said, I still think the wording came across as dismissive of the criticism surrounding Sony's decision. There are genuine concerns about ownership, preservation and consumer rights, and a lot of people discussing them aren't motivated by outrage or engagement, they simply disagree with the direction.
We obviously see the issue differently, but I appreciate you explaining what you meant rather than escalating it.
first, let's acknowledge that the ps5 was sony's worst console in its history. that is only too obvious at this point. i suppose i was earlier than most in accepting this sad reality, but here we are. the ps6 was going to be a very difficult sell, even outside of the absurd price point and lack of physical media...
where do we go from here? easy. to pc.
sony's handful of cookie-cutter 1st party games simply aren't enough to safeguard its demise. sony overvalues its exclusives and thinks it's nintendo. sony's exclusives have been a real disappointment since the ps5 launched outside of a few exceptions so it has already been going in a downward trajectory for years now. there are no new ideas coming out of sony and it's output has become stale. sony took no lessons from its string of mismanaged, live service trash and is full steam ahead with more to come. if sony thinks a god of war laufey sequel is going to keep people on its future $1000 platform, they are in for a rude awakening.
there are no real solutions for sony simply because it has caused too much damage and ruffled too many feathers already. playstation won't die anytime soon, but i have no doubt that the ps6 will have a much smaller install base than the ps5 (which was already in decline vs the ps4). don't be surprised if sony sells only 50m ps6's putting the ps7 in jeopardy.
Where do I go? Simple: won't touch another PS console and will stop playing every PS game I have !!!
(written while Ghost of Yotei is booting up)
Do PS plus games count towards the digital sales numbers? If so, how many are downloaded to a users library, but have never been opened?
Maybe you all can finally agree with me Sony has been horrid this entire generation and this was a chefs kiss on a disastrous gaming generation.
All I can say is I told you all Sony sucks!
I told you all Sony does not care about their fanbase anymore!
I told you all the lack of competition have given Sony a path to push forward with no fear of reprisals.!
And I told you all my PS5 pro is my last PS branded anything!
Last thing. PS6 will be at least $1,200 because Sony gives zero *****!
Whilst I agree with everything you have suggested in this article, i cant see Sony changing anything for the better. They are making record profits just now with their radio silence behaviour. We are enthusiasts mostly on this site and so probably in the minority. If the majority keep purchasing their microtransactions on Fifa, Fortnite etc etc I just cant see Sony changing anything
I really don't like it but at the same time I don't think complaining isn't going to change anything, I doubt Sony is going to reverse this decision since the majority of people buy digital and want their convenience over owning the game, also thanks to capitalism. I still don't fully trust Sony with all digital since they deleted hundreds of movies from peoples accounts recently and they're going to shut down the Vita and PS3 stores soon. I'm guessing I'm going to lose a couple of JRPG's on the Vita since I bought them digitally.
I don't see much point of buying PS5 games physically anymore since there's no word if PS6 will have a drive add on and it won't have a disc drive built in, so the games will be stuck on PS5.
I have a good gaming PC and if I'm going digital I'm more comfortable there since stores haven't been shut down yet and there's multiple key resellers for me to buy games cheaper. I still don't like having to pay for licenses with no ownership and I usually don't buy them at full price because of it.
Physical copies ending has really put a sour taste in my mouth and I don't know or care about PS6 anymore.
@Propaperpusher Nothing worse than "i told you so" posts. Give yourself a well deserved pat on the back 👍🏻
@jackst The CMA and Government cannot stop Sony from scrapping physical games. The pricing monopoly is something they could get involved in and I believe Sony are already being sued over it hence why they announced they will be allowing retailers to sell digital copies of playstation games, so technically that has been resolved.
If you buy a digital game from the PSStore do not download it until you are absolutely sure you want it, you can only get a refund currently if you do not download the game and within a two week window of purchase. Found out the hard way when I purchased NBA:The Run thinking NBA Street is back! only to find out it's an online only GAS reading the description after I hit "purchase" and the game was downloading. I immediately opened the app to try and refund. Nope, since the game was downloaded(not opened), actually downloading, I was SOL. Was told only if the game/media is not downloaded could I refund a digital purchase. I just wanted to play a new NBA Street, alone, not whatever NBA The Run is. And I won't know because I deleted and hid my shame. Never again Sony.
The thing is with the current Sony there is no reason to keep a console around. They are just as expensive as a PC no physical games to resell, bad store, bad digital policies. I think Xbox is going to outlast Playstation at this rate. A more simple PC with a smaller form factor with GOG as DRM free option who still needs Sony. Also your physical collection get obsolete plus a PS5 is terribly repairable with everything soldered on there.
And.... ps5 will keep on selling.
Unfortunately this is just the way of the times and its not even a business or greed push. Its a consumer judt buying majority digital anyway and make 0 sense to have cost of making a disc and a box.
It aint really for money, its just business.
They make money either way so in reality it must cost them alot to produce the discs and isnt worth it anymore.
@QBGaming12 I can guarantee that every person dying on the hill with this argument for physical vs digital has purchased plenty of digital goods.
@Shinnok789 Peak satire.
@Pat_trick
As per @Northern_munkey , I've had a fair few conversations with @TitnTin before, and he (I am assuming 'he' is correct) seems like a good guy.
I do not think he is having a go specifically at users either.
For my part, I am practically all digital, but I do have very mixed views over this move from Sony. I prefer the option of Physical to be there, but mostly because some really like that option. I also don't think the 85% figure is wholly representative of the situation.
However, there is one part that I really have to question.
In my opinion this has been done on the back of the massive pre-orders for GTA6 which is digital only. I seriously wonder how many people, to whom Physical is important, went and pre-ordered that game.
Don't get me wrong, I think Sony wanted to do this, but the support for GTA6 effectively green lit it for them.
Sony after GTA 6 is released:
The exact same ***** is going to happen with the PS6. Everyone whines and calls for a boycott when it’s announced, but the moment a specific game gets revealed (Bloodborne 2, for example), Sony has you by the balls again.
Seriously, gamers are by far the biggest spineless idiots, and these corporations know it.
I will definitely draw conclusions from this whole debate. But I’m not a hypocrite who calls on others to boycott or switch to Steam or Nintendo—the latter being much worse than Sony, by the way.
I don't care about reputation on social media. So far PlayStation was the best gaming platform for me, which while being not perfect gives me more than any other. So I'm staying. I don't care what people on Twitter are saying and never did.
One thing you forgot to mention under the PS Store section is the shovelware they seriously need to clamp on that ***** if they do push for this all digital gaming. Its still really bad now and if they want the PS Store to be it's forefront for purchases then they will have to change a lot and shovelware is one of it's biggest issues
Be that as it may those that moan won't be going anywhere they have you locked in you've invested in a lot with the playstation echo system, I have but I've got a lot of physical games especially from the PS4 era I don't have many digital games as I've seen them cheap in CEX. PS5 gen has been incredible lacklustre compared to PS4, PS3 was awful at first but it found it's way near the end, its been years was PS2 hands down
I will be going back to PC at that time as it will be time for a new PC build anyway I've been investing into the GOG echo system for a while now due to their DRM free games, you get to download them for free forever and keep it as a back-up, and they are pushing for Game Preservation so for me I am good
I was also thinking of moving on from the hobby since I spend too much time and money on this stuff or I'll just play my live service games like Fortnite and those gacha games.
I have no idea what Playstation brings to the table anymore
The normies will sure continue to play this. That's why GTA VI wil sell huge numbers on PS5, despite going full digital. But the Sony of old is long gone now. What remains is a corpse too busy creating the next Concord.
@DoTheRoar How's physical media support on PC? Many windows game releases on disks? And unless you are going to buy everything on GoG, Steam can revoke your games or lock your account with a snap of Gabe's fingers. Not saying they will do it, but they have the same digital control, as Sony.
@KawakiisaFraud The company that released games in the likes of Bloodborne is not there anymore. They are incapable of releasing such games nowadays. Too busy chasing the live service trend and using their studios in the worst way possible.
I am going to keep playing my PS5 Pro. Waiting for Wolverine and GTA VI. Life is good no hate for Sony from me. I'm gonna keep buying the games I want to succeed on day one no sale, and I am going to do the same with hardware. Playstation for life, everything plays better on it, not just GTA VI!!! PS6 cant wait whoop whoop, it will be the portable we thought the switch 2 was gonna be.
@Rich33 👍
@Oldstalk Ghost of Yotei, Astrobot, Wolverine, Saros, Tokon, Laufey all beg to differ, you personally don't have to like them but they are still great games.
@viktorcode well if all else fails, drink up me hearties yo ho 👌
The only way up is by sales plummeting, people who make myopic decisions being fired and replaced by people who have a proper understanding of the gaming industry.
@Rich33 I'm enjoying it. I'm not sure they got the feel of Bond right at this stage, but I am liking what they've created.
Always good to see IO have success though, they've had a rough history so I'm glad it worked out for them.
All very sensible steps Sammy...& unfortunately based off the cowardly weak, aloof & arrogant Playstation leadership team they'll completely ignore every single step!🙄
That the best they could do was hide behind veteran Communications Director Sid Shuman's Chat GPT Word salad announcement & then bunker down in silence like it was the Winchester & hope it'll all blow over speaks volumes.
Meantime, Microsoft is already leaking via Windows Central about a likely all digital future but spinning a plan to roll-over physical discs into digital library free upgrades.
What has Sony done when the obvious question of ps4/ps5 physical backwards compatibility been asked since? Go quiet, go dark....again.
Remember when they promised PS Deluxe would expand with PS Classics as would games streaming territories that had didn't have Premium? How did that go? PS plus been hiked up multiple times & territories like mine Down Under got locked of of subscription discounts in Days of Play entirely!🤯😤
Remember when they shuttered PS Stars with the vague promise,we have something better planned? How did that work out? Oh, overpriced merch to VIP's, nothing for the plebs!
Gaming executives ala Adam Boyes, Shuhei Yoshida, Shawn Layden,etc. brought us along because not only did they acknowledge the arrogance & mistakes, but tried to be honest so like we heard you PS3 was too expensive, so here is the ps4...the trade off is no backwards compatibility to PS3 but we won't charge you the earth for remasters & first party games had deep discounts.
Compare & contrast Hermen Hulst (& Jim Ryan etc),here's full priced PS5 remasters of Until Dawn, TLOU,TLOU2 etc. No upgrade path, pay more & sometimes get less content & be happy, pay up suckers!🤡
They could've changed direction after Jim Ryan's departure...Hermen stayed the disastrous course of live services, keeping PS3 IP's locked in the attic chest & treating gamers with silence,& shutting studios that don't meet his impossible demands & we seen veteran creatives leave Worldwide Studios to be replaced by aloof ones ala Neil Druckman.
This isn't the Playstation that launched CD & DVD consoles & cut console prices & budget Platnium labels of first & third party greatest hits...this is one full of arrogant suits whom think Playstation is Apple & they dictate to their customers to swallow their slop & milk us like cashcows & just go silent when they intend to profiteer on them like their all digital future!🙄
That's fine Sony...you sure made your silence clear of intent,so it makes the expensive option of a PC As a choice of emulation of when Playstation was good & indie games easier despite the rip-offs & Microsoft snoopware & AI slop there too...at least there's still DRM free options ala GOG store.
@Brigurugi That is the funniest post I read on here.
@KawakiisaFraud not all of us are spineless idiots. i can promise you that. people like me exist... i put my foot down with sony 5 years ago and refused to purchase a ps5. i haven't played any of their "exclusive" games this entire console generation. i don't feel like i missed out on anything worthwhile and won't need or miss the ps6 either.
i agree that many hypocrites exist who are all talk and no action, but if even 5% of the fans stand for something, it will hurt sony's revenue substantially... like in the hundreds of millions, if not billions. a smaller install base for the ps6 is inevitable at this point and sony may need to change its tune if it doesn't want to regress further.
Sony wants to kill PS6 before it even announces it.
The physical option was one of a few advantages consoles had over PC. Without it, I'm just not seeing the value in going for consoles.
Honestly? The news doesn’t change much for me. I haven’t bought a physical PS game in quite some time. In most cases, if you’re patient, the digital store has better sales than anything I can find on physical games. The secondhand market for physical stuff has priced me out in recent years.
I’m just not sure how many consumers value physical games anymore. I don’t think Sony made this move purely out of spite. If it was profitable, they would’ve kept pumping out discs. So sure, among the hardcore fans their reputation is taking a hit, but among the casual, average consumer who just wants to play console games? I’m not sure this will change anything for them. Time will tell, though.
@Rich33 That's a fair take, and I agree the GTA 6 pre-orders probably gave Sony confidence that a large proportion of the market would accept a digital-only direction.
My concern is less about this situation and more about the precedent. Companies don't make these decisions in isolation, they test consumer tolerance. If consumers continue buying regardless, the incentive to preserve physical options only gets weaker.
I don't begrudge anyone who prefers digital. My issue is with reducing consumer choice and ownership over time. If physical eventually disappears, people who value it won't have an equivalent alternative, while digital users already have the option they prefer today.
I think you're reading to much into it, it's not like consumers have much of a choice. To most it's either PS or Xbox, PC remains to expensive and finicky and Nintendo are non runners. I'm sure some here will argue PC and Nintendo are options but the vast majority won't. PS will be fine as I'm sure Xbox will be. Only on forums will this be doom and gloom and media sites will make a much bigger deal out of this than it actually is. I'm not saying it isn't a problem but console gaming will go on as business as usual for 90% of people.
This question should be asked to Sony’s shareholders. It’s not as if we gamers decide their direction in any way.
@SBBuds Switch and Switch 2 are both actually on pace to outsell any PS and Xbox system (apart from PS2 for now). So calling Nintendo non runners doesn’t make sense.
@Friendly I know how popular thd Switch is supposed to be I read about it as well but I don't actually see it happening. Only on media sites, I don't actually think they are. I know a lot of people over the years through gaming amd none are gaming on Switch or even consider Switch. More like a distraction that kids get bored of easily. Like I said some people will disagree but that's how I and literally everyone I know think about the Switch.
Players can always play their disc games on PS5, there was no guarantee PS6 will support them. I think this whole outrage is blown by a very vocal minority of collectors. Casual gamer don't care anymore it was inevitable to happen sooner or later. Lets focus on the future
@DennisReynolds ah but nothing else matters except GTA 6 as everyone keeps telling me....workers rights, all digital, Crunch being inhumane, people virtue signalling all goes out the window once GTA6 arrives.
@Ooccoo_Jr ah yes, buying 10 year old games for day one prices...Nintendo are defo consumer friendly and the antidote to Sony's methods 👍
Stock price may have gone up since the news was shared but stock can go down if we vote with our wallet. Sony may not list to people whining on the internet but will listen to the language of money. The fact that Sony will have a monopoly on gaming price is a huge concern. Frankly speaking after the support I have given to Sony since PS1 is game over for me. It is not just about physical media being killed off, is the fact that Sony does not give a damn about customers and, once again, it has become so arrogant to believe they can do whatever they want. Remember when the launched the PS4 after the poor performance of PS3 (high RRP, difficult to develop, etc)? They became humble and said they had learned their lesson. We are back to an arrogant Sony, who continues to pursue live service games when the vast majority of people do not care as they either busy with Minecraft, Roblox and Fortnite or prefer single play experiences. An arrogant Sony that wants to dictated the market direction, that can sell you something you will never, ever own. This is only possible if we, the customers, allow them to do so. If we refuse to follow the trend and vote with our wallet let’s see what happens to the stock price
@DoTheRoar not a japan based company anymore though, thats why we are in this mess.
@SBBuds 156 million units and more than 1.5 billion software sales. Almost more console sales than any other gaming device. More software sales than PS2, PS4, PS5, etc.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html
Oh it was popular alright.
Switch 2 is now the 2nd fastest selling console in both Japan and US, after the GBA. More powerful than the Series S in handheld, that’s crazy.
@dimi prices will go up as a result. No choice, no competition. If you don’t care about that then you have infinite money.
Also, no rights as a consumer. Things can and will be taken away whenever Sony or any other publisher pleases. As they’ve shown a few days ago.
This has nothing to do just with collectors.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2026/06/sony-will-permanently-delete-550plus-movies-you-already-paid-for
@subechin exactly. When a US or Saudi based suit or shareholder group takes over, gone are consumer rights.
I think it's worth clarifying something as Nintendo systems get brought up as a pro-physical alternative: the Switch 2 has had around 20 confirmed full-cartridge releases since launch, out of hundreds of titles. That's actually one of the lowest ratios of any major console, with the vast majority of "physical" releases being Game-Key Cards or codes in a box. It's one of the most digitally-driven systems in recent memory, so it might be worth doing a bit of research before recommending it to physical game collectors! A really sad silver lining is PlayStation is being clear.
@Nei incorrect, currently more than 85 and it’s increasing pace since Nintendo has developed smaller-sized cartridges:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TuiBR9zYummF-nRDMGubwbqVpntJqyzycBBOohaDh2E/edit?usp=drivesdk
Worth noting that it at least gives the option for physical games. Whereas that option will not exist for PS6 since discs will not be created.
No.. PlayStation will hit true rock bottom when they announce a £1000 PS6 digital only console... oh and increase the PS5 retail price by another 100 to 200, which they will do from the predictions of component cost increases....
@Friendly I had an outdated list but even if they were 85 it's still a tragically low number and it's happening now and in a very misleading way. On your (very handy!) list many games are yet to be released.
@subechin Yeap, it's been run by corporate America, woke America at that, since it closed all it's global offices and moved it all to California.. and I have to say it has been noticeable too. PS3 and PS4 days it isn't.
Where do we go from here...
The only thing i'm gonna do as a PS fans and customers is vote with my wallet. If Sony didn't reverse this decision then i'm done with them. There's no reason for me to keeps swallow up Sony stupid decisions and now they don't even care nor respect my customers right.
Yes i'm sure i'm in the small minority with this decision. But i don't want to be part of the majority who keeps consuming without thinking and will own nothing and be happy.
PS5 will be my last Sony console and i'm okay with that since i have a huge collection and backlog that can last for decades until i bite the dust. I probably will buy a couple more new games including from Sony like Wolverine and Tokon.
Also i'm not gonna jump to Xbox, Nintendo, or even PC which already gone full digital way longer than PS. But i'm gonna get some retro consoles like PS2 and Sega Genesis / Dreamcast. It's time to go retro. No day 1 patch, no always online bs, full physical copy, and no companies who can delisted my games from my shelf.
Removed - trolling/baiting
@Nei yes, as I said it is increasing its pace.
Also, almost all first party games have been released on a cartridge. Only pokopia didn’t. So the choice is up to 3rd developers, not Nintendo. Bethesda did try out releasing Indiana Jones on a cartridge and are now publishing Oblivion on a cartridge too. They must have seen they sold way more compared to their code in a box of fallout 4.
And these developers are now more and more reaching out to limited game publishers like super rare games (indies like minishoot adventures) or limited run games (tomb raider).
So yeah, the option is there at least. For conservation and competition.
@Friendly yes sadly so. Living in Japan for over 10 years, what Sony does now is something a fully japanese company just wouldn’t do as it would deeply disappoint their customers. Yes, the Saudis own part of Nintendo but Nintendo still very much runs their own show. Its so sad to see where Sony went.
@KawakiisaFraud did you read the rest of the comment and did you click on the link?
Game key cards is an option and 3rd party publishers are using it, not Nintendo. Nintendo has released only one game on a game key-card: Pokopia. The rest is all on a game card.
@PuppetMaster Bye then
@Friendly
An option just like the Digital PS5 was merely an option... Seriously, you’re Guys so naive; if you really believe Nintendo doesn't want to head in the same direction as Sony, MS, or Valve, you’re in for a rude awakening.
Why do you think Nintendo is promoting third-party titles so heavily? Because Furukawa realized how much money Sony makes from the PSN Store.
Nintendo wants the 30% too, and they will do whatever it takes to get it. But hey, that’s fine—after all, Nintendo are the "good guys."
@Friendly I understand your angle but I'd argue the Switch 2 is more of a console for Nintendo fans than alternative for physical game collectors in general and honestly, that's fine, it's just worth being clear about it.
The technical limitations are real: developers have openly stated that cartridge sizes are too restricted and transfer speeds aren't sufficient for games originally built on higher-spec platforms. The consequence is that if you buy something like Pragmata or Final Fantasy VII Rebirth on Switch 2 in physical form, you're essentially purchasing a digital game dressed up in physical packaging — and on top of that, likely the worst-performing version of that game available on the market. Digital for digital I'll play on Steam or PlayStation Store and get a way better performance. Heck, right now I will get the best performance and an actual game on the disc on PS!
That's what actually makes Sony's recent decision to drop physical media sting a little more for me. At least their approach for the future is transparent. Nintendo, by contrast, seems to be leaning into "physical-looking" formats like Game-Key Cards without being fully upfront about what casual buyers (and some commenters on video game sites, if you read some of these comments >_<) are actually getting and I think that's a disservice to consumers who reasonably expect a cartridge to contain the game they paid for.
@Oram77 I'm surprised there's a Sony rep here who bother to say bye for a random and not important customer like me.
@PuppetMaster safe travels 🫡
Has anyone even mentioned by upgrading to a 6 not only does your old physical PlayStation library go out the window…. So does all the music cds dvds and Blu-ray’s a person as accumulated over time.
One of the huge reasons I went with ps1 is it could play my music.
One of the huge reasons I went with ps2 is it could could play my DVDs (was my first dvd player)
PlayStation 3-5 music, dvds, bluerays.
PlayStation was the total entertainment system.
Now they will want over $1000+ for a digital game playing machine. They lost their mind and my support after 6 comes out
@Nei i do agree with everything you say here.
Still. Especially for indies and all games that dó fit on a 64 GB cartridge, from 2028 onwards Nintendo’s console will be the way to go if you want to be able to provide a full physical version.
@KawakiisaFraud Where am I saying any of the stuff you mentioned in your post?
I will be buying everything digital from this point. Problem solved.
@Ooccoo_Jr Switch 2 has game key cards and Nintendo is notorious for releasing games and then completely taking them off the market.
But continue your noble stand!
I see it has been found out Sony has been planning to ditch disks for a while, the factory that makes them has re-invested 30 million odd into new equipment to manufacture something totally different, so they aren't going to change their minds on it...
Also more rumours circulating about more PSN price increases, oh and lets not forget the multiple court cases around the globe against Sony claiming it's PSN store is monopolistic..
@PercyChuggs Like what games are Nintendo notorious for removing than? Also you can buy digital keys for Nintendo games so you can get them much cheaper.. can't do that with PlayStation.
Garbage company. Garbage attitude. Extreme hubris. PS5 is quite possibly my last PlayStation console. Not paying 1K+ with no physical disc support. Eat me, Hulst. 🤡 🌎
@S1ayeR74 Mario 3D All Stars.
If you think Nintendo is going to be your pro-consumer bastion of physical game safety...well good luck with that.
"Protest" by purchasing a physical copy of Wolverine and cancel your digital one.
Put your money where your mouth is and ACTUALLY support physical games.
@PercyChuggs Don't buy it at all. Stop giving these companies money. But you guys can't live without your pretend worlds.
I'm in this weird place as I watch the price of tech skyrocket. My lifelong hobby of gaming, with earliest memories going back to 1984 or 85 on Atari, seems like it might have to end, or become something of a rare treat.
@Damage99 Today's gamers are cry babies like u said this was bound to happen this has been a rumor for years that physical media could be no more in the gaming industry
I wonder how much of a focus streaming games will be. They've got that going pretty good on the Portal. I wonder if we're going all in streaming...
Everything related to the video game industry is so gloomy, negative and tiresome... and the future is NOT looking any better.
This strangling push from companies to extract the maximum amount of revenue and money and value from their customers to appease to shareholders and show record profits, while laying off their workforce and make ***** anti-consumer decisions... so exhausting.
At this rate what's the point in being REMOTELY interested in video games? In reading the news? In even considering buying a console or games? The worst part is that they don't care and they know people will buy either or. Well, congrats Sony, don't count me in to sponsor these pieces of c**p practices, I'd much rather touch grass and find more affordable and peaceful hobbies.
Edit: Typo.
@GroundPlay yes, i agree. The suits took over 10-15 years ago and are selling their shares one by one to even bigger conglomerates like Microsoft and Saudi shareholders. It’s why I havent bought anything from EA or ActiBlizz in the last 5 years.
Luckily there’s a thriving Indie scene with passionate people. It’s what gives us gems like Expedition 33, Hollow Knight and Mina the Hollower. In addition to games made in places where most of the old staff was still around, like Nintendo, Capcom or Rare. (Where the old passionate people are now also sadly going away one by one - i pray for the best follow-up there)
Sony somehow has managed to grab defeat from the jaws of victory. Sony abandoned the ps3 and vita 5 years ago when they first decided to close the stores. The stores on the vita and ps3 are still working but they are a mess. But if you take the time to check out the mess you can occasionally find a few hidden gems here and there. The Playstation is dominating and they are throwing that away by announcing that they are getting rid of physical discs and making the ps6 likely all digital.
@Eld I don't care about owning games. I got into this hobby to play them, not own them. I buy maybe 2 full priced AAA games a year, everything else I either rent from Gamefly, check out from the local library, or purchase at a deep discount. I'll pay full price for indies or games from developers I like, but otherwise no.
Gamers (especially the ones who post on sites like these) are so myopic and hysterical, ready to GIVE UP GAMING FOR GOOD. No you won't. Get real. You're Mad Online, and by September when Wolverine, Onimusha, Silent Hill and Control are all out, most of your will buy them all...and digitally.
I have enough games to play till the day I die, if I need more, I guess its pc and Nintendo going forward.
None of that matters. I'm done with their platform. They don't want my business. And they won't get it.
@WhoderMan agreed, I for one will carry on with my Evercade console
@Titntin
” Clearly we just keep making more stories about it to drive engagement and get the faithful all rilled up again?
Nothing has changed for me at all, I'm delighted that they have finally announced their plans to ditch plastic download tickets. I hope whenever some sensible conversations are encouraged again, we can get to talk about ideas for game preservation, changes to the store etc, but till then I guess its just time to cash in on the hate vibe.”
Oh my god.. Yeah, because ONE single store for PlayStation Gamers, where Sony dictates everything, is the right way to go??
The huge ultra difference between PC and consoles, is that on PC there is competition and a free market. There are several stores, and each and every one of them are cheaper than the PlayStation(console) stores. They are all better as well, and Steam is leagues ahead in every department.
One of my favorite things about consoles is the ability to buy physical games, so I can either collect, or sell them later and gain money back. Nintendo at least gave us a chance to resell the games (kudos!).
Nah. You can blame it on ”hating” all you want. I’ve been gaming since the mid 80’s, and this isn’t hate, it’s Sony not being the Sony they used to be. ***** has to change at Sony.
Its simple, people must decide what they condone and what they tolerate and vote accordingly with their wallets. Me personally, PS5 will be my last Sony console. This gen has been incredibly lacklustre and with everything being what it is I see no incentive at all to buy a PS6
The outrage comes mainly from the fact that physical games cost as much on day one as their digital / store variant. People have it in their nature - to judge things base on the very first impression..."I'm forced to go digital, yet the prices stay the same - why on earth??" ... if a day one release goes fore 39,99 in PSN, why not? The Disc can keep it's 69,99 tag, but digital should be cheaper imho...that's one logical first impression I know I would accept.
@tofuman86
Yeah. Discs can always be gotten cheaper physical though, always (in most countries at least). And, they can be bought second hand even cheaper. And their prices drop faster in stores.
Going digital with only one, very expensive, store is horrible.
Like I’ve said several times, on PC there are at least a free market and several stores. All of them are cheaper than the console stores. And all of them (especially Steam) are overall better experiences. And they all have better refund policies. The list goes on..
Oh, and no paying for online MP gaming.
@LiamOliver I should have made it clearer I'd personally welcome a better refund policy.
But I was mostly pushing back against the idea that they need to match Steam. PC and Console aren't the same and there's an important reason why you can refund a game after 1 or 2 hours on Steam as the game LITERALLY might not work well, or at all, on your hardware. PlayStation doesn't have this issue.
If it was me I would offer a limited number of refunds after up to 1-2 hours play, but having a limit to prevent chancers taking the piss.
PlayStation really is benefitting from the complete collapse of Xbox as a viable platform. Where else is there to go? I play all my games on PlayStation - not really out of loyalty or anything, but because it's the console with the most of the types of game I like. But they're making it hard. Fortunately (for them) there's no credible other option.
Still, a big company being terrible isn't exactly new. I'd just rather they were less terrible.
Sony need to listen to the fans - Imagine if all the fans just said STOP: and hit them with an action, a sort of strike - 1 week, or 1 month etc of no purchasing anything, cancel PSPlus memberships, no buying from the store etc - the revenue hit would be massive. It would hit Sony where it hurts - it's wallet. Then they may sit up and listen
UP THE REVOLUTION ......
@themightyant This is true. Although I never had any issues when on PC (well, nothing a driver update or minor system tweaks wouldn't fix), it was always in the back of my mind.
Although I am seriously considering getting a GPU to revive my old system.
@LiamOliver I did actually just buy a new PC... but it's more for work (I did slap an RTX 5070 in it for a bit of gaming) because I think the prices are only going to get worse and worse over the next 2+ years unless something drastic happens.
@RamboMike I don't understand how you can go to the bother of quoting my post and then act like it stated a single store was the way forward? At no point did I suggest or imply that at all?
I'd welcome changes to the PS store to start matching some of what Steam does, my own steam account is over 16 years old.
I'm certainly not blaming peoples frustration on hate. But I AM blaming peoples inability to have reasonable discourse and actually discuss issues on their desire to spew some hate onto the screen ASAP. The fact that you just completely misrepresented my words is prime example of how people are barely thinking ATM.
Whilst I don't side with those who wish for physical to live for ever, I do sympathise with those as upset as you are and I would hope that change could be achieved with DRM, refunds and lots of other things which have always needed improvement. But these wont come if people are unable to have discussions and come up with a unified set of ideas that can be messaged to Sony.
Stamping your feet and shouting loudly is not the way to achieve this in my opinion, and the site posting as many articles as it can with such an obvious agenda is not helping.
I hope we get some long overdue changes to the way the store works, but I'm not holding my breath. I hope you have a better day.
@Pat_trick
There is nothing in your reply to me I disagree with. Let me also reiterate that whilst I do not really buy Physical games, that does NOT mean I don't want them to exist.
Changes to the PS store would also be welcome.
I do not want consoles to ship with disc drives (as it costs me money), but I do want optional drives.
I have very strong requirements / opinions on framerates (60fps).
In recent articles on opinions as to whether GTA6 will be 60fps, it was staggering to see a few people defend GTA6 if it can't sustain 60fps based on the selfish argument of "most people don't care" (which I think is BS, I think requirements are on an upwards trend, and some will be in for a shock if 30fps is all that's available).
I'm sure that I have seen a few of those same people in articles around this recent announcement from Sony, complaining that their minority (and in requirement terms downwards trending) Physical options aren't going to be available, and how unfair it is.
If GTA6 or any game isn't a strong 60fps, I will NOT buy it. And I know others won't too.
If I held Physical games as important to me, no way would I buy any AAA game that didn't have a proper Physical Edition. No exceptions.
Sadly, I think very few have been sticking to this, and as you rightly say, Sony have seen this - they have seen that people have been making exceptions (GTA6 in particular) and buying digital (or what I would consider fake Physical). If not, the timing is very coincidental.
If I were in the Physical is important to me camp here, I would not just be complaining or signing a petition- I would be cancelling my pre-order of GTA6, and any other similar non-physical game, and encouraging others to do the same.
I'm sure Sony will be monitoring for this behaviour.
It’s terrible but it was always coming. They’re going to have to overhaul/build a new PSN/Store and people need to get on reporting the refund rules to whatever government department deals with those practices as they’ve always been borderline/over the line illegal.
Closed network PS6 via monthly payments incoming. Just like your phone.
@themightyant
"there's an important reason why you can refund a game after 1 or 2 hours on Steam as the game LITERALLY might not work well, or at all, on your hardware. PlayStation doesn't have this issue."
I beg to differ, though the issue is not as clear cut on console and I get your overall point.
We have had some real stinkers on console too on occasion.
There have also been plenty of occasions I have not bought games because I haven't been confident in their framerates (for example if no DF analysis or no repeat analysis following a key 'performance patch') .
Though I, and others (because I said to have a go and they got back to me), have had refunds from Sony in the past based on framerates.
Sony really needs a customer friendly refund option, and in my opinion need to go further than steam, for more expensive games.
The higher the purchase price of a game / edition, the more it should be able to withstand scrutiny.
At least this might help (in a small way) to incentivise devs to realistically price their games.
Edit: removed unintentional Emoji yet again...
Rich33 wrote:
We have, though comparatively few, and in these cases Sony has typically given refunds - Cyberpunk, Dragon's Dogma 2, MH: Wilds etc. it isn't a widespread problem in the same way it is on Steam.
I want to reiterate I am not against a refund policy, I just don't think it needs to be as open as Steam's where it can be abused. Perhaps a couple a year per account and 1-2 hours played max. Basically don't allow chancers to constantly refund games.
Playstation's reputation isn't at rock bottom. I've been told time and time again from everybody under the sun that Playstation is primarily used by casuals that only play Call of Duty and Fifa.
And if thats truly case, i can tell you those people do not care.
Without a physical option I highly doubt I will be buying a PS6 which is gutting but as others have said we are the minority and they won't care, they can ride our losses no problem
@Titntin
” I don't understand how you can go to the bother of quoting my post and then act like it stated a single store was the way forward? At no point did I suggest or imply that at all?
I'd welcome changes to the PS store to start matching some of what Steam does, my own steam account is over 16 years old.
I'm certainly not blaming peoples frustration on hate. But I AM blaming peoples inability to have reasonable discourse and actually discuss issues on their desire to spew some hate onto the screen ASAP. The fact that you just completely misrepresented my words is prime example of how people are barely thinking ATM.
Whilst I don't side with those who wish for physical to live for ever, I do sympathise with those as upset as you are and I would hope that change could be achieved with DRM, refunds and lots of other things which have always needed improvement. But these wont come if people are unable to have discussions and come up with a unified set of ideas that can be messaged to Sony.
Stamping your feet and shouting loudly is not the way to achieve this in my opinion, and the site posting as many articles as it can with such an obvious agenda is not helping.
I hope we get some long overdue changes to the way the store works, but I'm not holding my breath. I hope you have a better day.”
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No, you didn’t state a single store is the way forward. But you basically did. You do understand, I hope, that there will never be several stores on a PlayStation or Nintendo console as long as they keep going the ”pure console” path, right? That is a sure fire way of them ”losing” money. They want one store, their own store, where they can make all the money (and 30% profit from all third party sales). And I do not agree that people not acting upset would somehow change that? If anything, people acting upset and making their voices heard is the only way to make changes (unlikely, but it’s still the only way). Keeping quiet and basically saying; ”good, who wants those plastic bits of physical media anyway” is exactly what they want.
And I don’t agree that people are spewing hate, I know I’m not. But people are obviously upset (rightly so). And I’m having a great day, thank you very much. I’m not having sleepless nights over this 😂. I just think it sucks, big time. And, call me a dinosaur (I turn 46 in December) but I do NOT want physical media to go away. Even though I understand that that’s where we’ll end up. I also buy quite a lot of digital games (on all platforms, 100% on PC, obviously). But I do buy a lot of physical games for my consoles (so I can sell them after I’m done with them, plus it’s cheaper — Especially if bought second hand).
I’m totally OK with digital only on PC, where we have more stores and ways to buy games (plus it’s always cheaper compared to the console platform holders’ stores), and Sony has to change a LOT on their own store if they want to go this way. Refunds, UI, etc. But it still won’t matter much, ’cause it’ll be the only store you can buy PlayStation games from, which will suck.
If MS release a console/PC (basically a PC) it’ll solve these issues at least (probably will still be digital only though..). But Sony is even worse than Nintendo now (well, soon). Remember everyone screaming about Nintendo’s Game Key Cards? Those look like diamonds now, ’cause those can still be resold and loaned out.
@Titntin
I respect that you think this is ok (ie: end of physical on PlayStation), I just don’t, I don’t have faith Sony can solve half of the issues i have with it. But people voicing their concerns is the only way they will. And doing that in a calmly matter (most are calm though) doesn’t work against a mega corporation. Public outcry is what gets mega corpos to change.
I have been gaming for many many years, way before PlayStation existed. I've been of fan since PS1. But this news feels like a kick on Bollocks. They either think twice & revert back to physical on PS6 or basically im done. Its sad but that's me I thoughts on this.
@Mostik
Yeah. Sadly many people don’t think that far. They’re ”fine” with paying a premium from a single store, paying for a license to use the game. A license that can be revoked for several reasons.
If more stores were available on PS5 and Switch 2 for example, and with lower prices (like on PC) and better refund possibilities (and more) than this would not be an issue for me.
Microsoft proposed a bit similar a dozen years ago before release of the Xbox
ONETHREE.The somewhat discless policy never implemented due to consumer backlash.
@CheesyOatcake No worries at all, and thanks for taking the time to come back and write this.
I appreciate the response, and I think we're actually much closer in our views than it first appeared. My frustration has never been with people who prefer digital, I completely understand why so many do. It's more with the increasingly dismissive attitude towards the concerns surrounding ownership, preservation and choice.
You're right that the discussion has become far too tribal. Too many people seem to assume that if you criticise Sony, you must hate digital, or if you use digital, you must be defending every corporate decision. The reality is somewhere in the middle.
Hopefully discussions like this become the norm rather than the exception. We don't all have to agree, but we can at least engage with each other's actual arguments instead of making fun of them.
Thanks again for the thoughtful reply.
I've been a ps plus member for over ten years. I've let my subscription run out and I'll not be renewing it. If you really care about Sony stopping physical media I suggest you do the same. If their profits go down significantly they might reconsider. It's amazing what we can do if we stick together. I've been collecting games since PS1 days and there's no need for these measures other than greed.
@RamboMike OK mate I hear what you are saying, and respect that.
I'm not huge believer that gamers attacking each other in forums will achieve anything, especially seeing as everybody knew this was coming sooner or later from all platforms.
However, though I have my own reasons for being all digital, I'm able to accept that people want change and if outcry is how you see that being achieved then you have that right.
I'm hopeful we may at least see some changes to DRM policy or store policy - I guess we will see
What can they do when their new mission statement is to screw over loyal and new users alike? Switch 2 numbers will be rising given this "no physical" announcement and there's no chance Nintendo will follow suit.
Only thing they could do it to reverse these stupid policies and get more fan friendly.
I mean, can anyone imagine this s*** show in the days of Shawn Layden and Shuhei Yoshida? It all went wrong when Layden was ousted so they could put an accountant in charge of the PS division.
@RamboMike They are unfortunately, whilst I don't like the game card approach of Nintendo as least you get something physical you can re-sell it if you wish!
I have no interest in converting my physical library to digital so if they follow Xbox whilst it is great for others it has no value to me
@Titntin Yeah I think I might go back to Nintendo for my next console, haven't picked a Switch 2 up yet as don't use my Switch that often and didn't see the value but it just become more appealing.
There is something bitter sweet about going back to Nintendo who are directly responsible for my love of gaming! For me the SNES was the best console of all time
@Mostik Enjoy it mate, I have a switch 2 too. Its nice enough and great if you need or use portable ( I don't unfortunately). I've not found tonnes that I don't prefer playing elsewhere, but I keep trying. Just started another Zelda run, but I fear I'm losing interest already.
I remember the Snes with very fond memories as well, some great games back then!
I've bought just about every single console since the Atari VCS was released - I was 13 in 77 and bought that with my own savings. I've tried to buy everything since, even the weird ones that never reached the west. I will continue to buy and use every games machine I can and Sony's decision here was expected and doesn't actually affect my use of their machines at all. Its still not nice to see so many people being unhappy and aggressive at each other though. Where ever you go, I hope you still enjoy your gaming!
Sony doesn't need to do anything 99% of PlayStation users do not care about any of this they will keep on buying consoles and their annual sports games
@TDHorizon exactly this people on game sites are such a tiny minority of the bigger gaming audience, if i ask every one in my office who owns a ps5 what thier thoughts are on sony they wouldnt know what im talking about, they dont even know what 60 fps is
@Titntin Thanks buddy, my first console/gaming machine was the Spectrum 128K ah those were the days, I never had VCS but I did play one, the one console that got away from me was the Neo Geo as it was just too expensive for me as a child but I have the AES+ pre-ordered and can't wait.
Like you I think I will keep up with modern gaming through the Switch and just continue to grow my retro collection where physical is available.
@Mostik Watching all those coloured lines moving as the code loaded, and then, Knight lore, or Horrace goes skiing!
Now we are talking 👍
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I guess we'll see how much Sony actually needs the enthusiasts vs general consumer. Are the 20% who still bought discs going to avoid ps6 altogether?
I lost enthusiasm for Nintendo many years ago. Was always a PS enjoyer but never hardcore. They're all just companies.
Sony’s announcement that it will end disc-based physical game production starting January 2028 has sent PlayStation’s reputation to rock bottom, with fans furious about the shift to a fully digital future that will likely make the PS6 a digital-only console. Yet I still don’t understand the panic — Valve built Steam into a beloved empire without ever selling physical games, and digital downloads are faster and more convenient than slow Blu-ray installs anyway. The preservation fears are overblown: future OS and server changes will render 2026 physical discs obsolete without online updates, as the article itself notes the writing has been on the wall for years. For true long-term access, the community has already proven the way with jailbroken abandoned hardware like the PS3, where custom patches keep games alive. Sony should absolutely improve the PS Store with Steam-like refunds, better pricing, gifting, and security as the article suggests, but killing fragile physical media is simply acknowledging consumer trends and industry reality — the future is digital, and clinging to discs won’t change that.
@Nei Actually its around a 100 games for Switch that are on actual cartridges already.
@subechin Actually at the moment they are 39, with some more to be released in the forthcoming months. Take a look at the useful spreadsheet that was provided in this thread by @Friendly
The EU should split up the Sony PlayStation business and allow the use of independent game stores—just like the EU forced Apple to do in Europe.
There will be no discs in the new console—I'm not buying a PS6... and I had/have a PS2, PS3, PS4, and PS5. No more Sony arrogance for me.
The refund policy is a huge one. I've had a couple games recently that I tried to refund, and Sony just nope'd out of that conversation with me. Even outright lied to me and said they couldn't replicate the issues I was experiencing (when even the developer acknowledged it).
I'd be Suprised if Sony cared.
It will benefit them and share holders in the end. Remember that most that buy a Co sole and some games don't really care about games being digital and what Sony is doing
Also the PS still feels such a pain too use
@Nei found a video of it with all of them in it. Its 100 to be exact. Didnt try to argue here but it is more than many think https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kG6rCZQ9mNc&pp=0gcJCWQCo7VqN5tD&ra=m
PS5 and Xbox Series X are my last consoles I'll ever buy except if Nintendo comes out with something groundbreaking and it doesn' t cost $1000 or more. By the time the next gen consoles come out the games will probably cost $100 also and with Sony's walled garden, there's no way to get them cheaper unless they say so. PC gaming for me here on out cuz at least I have cheaper options even though it's all digital there also.
The way things are going with Steam and Epic online download thats the future. But if the PS6 has no disc drive and costs over 1000 i think people will switch to Steam i think it's just the way the future is going sadly.
@subechin of course, I’m never arguing for the sake of it I will gladly look into it as it would be my hope they would produce more games on cartridges.
Down to the lake I fear…
@Nei some are Japanese exclusives I think though. Either way, lets all hope for the best and that we have a choice again so that all sides can be happy, digital and physical.
There are so many fake Outrages out there, it's unbelievable.
I'm almost certain that physical sales won't even see any kind of increase next month...
The other things I would add to this list are:
1) Make it possible to resell digital games. That could be a legitimate and helpful use for NFTs.
2) If selling digital codes in stores, PLEASE make them more than just sheet of paper or plastic with a number on. I miss the days of getting instructions, notes, maps etc. in physical editions. It would be great if some of this could be brought back.
@PanFriedSoup Oh I know. They might buy physical half and half with digital. If your super mad about the the future becoming all digital(which we knew was going to happen) you have to be a all physical person with no digital games. If you have a good amount of digital games then you have helped this change happen.
Hey, everyone. I spent the last 20 years slowly working my way up the ranks through the tech industry (non-games) as a technical writer, slowly accumulating more responsibilities and a higher wage as I went. I eventually, in so many words, cracked and went a bit crazy because of what I saw. We are at the end phase of whatever economic order has gotten us to this point, and are entering a new one. They know most people aren't going to have the money to do this stuff, it's a bargain they had to make in pushing the economy as far off the cliff as they already have. They also know damn well that climate change, for example, is going to destabilize everything and cause mass migration, but it's just they think they've figured out how to keep making money off the people who will have more and more wealth as everyone else wipes out. My brain broke on seeing how everything was going BEFORE generative AI got rolled out. All that ends up being is a way to extend this current bubble. During this time, they are just going to raise prices and hope any old sucker comes along and pays up, but they don't expect to keep most of their customer base - they understand most of us are going to wind up losers who can't afford their exorbitant gouge pricing anymore. If parents can't afford it, think of how these companies are setting their kids up to think of them. It's despicable for a hobby that has always been at least affordable if you're willing to, for example, go one generation back on a console and get all your games used at a Gamestop (which will soon no longer exist aside from maybe being a collectibles emporium).
I know this is a games site and so people make things about politics all the time and that's very obnoxious and I can't stand that, really, but there is an element to this that is very much connected to what has been pushed down our throats on that score over the last few years, more in terms of the hyperbolic reactions people have to seeing different types of people represented in games, etc. They figured out how to turn that into complete financial world domination, so GGs toxic gamers out there.
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