@MrGawain Video games are video games. Some of the more haughty hobbyists might like to live in ignorance but the fact is that consoles, phones, retro consoles, portables, tablets and PCs are all in direct competition with each other.
Saying otherwise would be like saying that Disney aren’t in competition with Paramount.
It seems the snobbery from console gamers towards the mobile platform is largely baked into the controls rather than the F2P elements. I mean 70% of Fortnite players are on PlayStation so clearly the financial elements are not as off putting as they may seem.
They do have a point in controls. Just like VR, shoe-horning existing genres in rather than attempting to build anything bespoke rarely results in a quality experience.
@KoopaTheGamer It rather depends on your broadband. I’m not trying to brag but I have a 1gig connection at home which is flawless with game streaming. On the road though hotel WiFi at anything less than 100mb is awful.
I still play weekly with my other friends and we’re all in our forties. I know people say the game is for kids but they know exactly who they’re aiming some of the collabs at with Terminator and the X-Men. I like to think of it as a video game version of the wars I used to act out with my action figures in the early 1990s.
The draw is the chaos. Very few games ever really end in the same way. One match could be a shoot out, the next you’re the last guy left in your squad trying to use a car to knock the enemies into the storm.
Given how useless LLMs can be, the rampant hallucinations that only increase with the size of the model and the lack of any profitability from AI companies likely forcing a big ‘pop’ in the next 2 years or so any company reorganising itself around AI isn’t a very sensible one.
@Corc11 I did. There are too many ‘hold for this’ buttons to comfortable switch the controls around in the settings which I call an abject failure of accessibility on behalf of the devs. You count the buttons, add this many actions and leave it at that. If your game requires more, it needs to be simplified
I’m going to assume the game still remains unplayable for those of us who prefer the classic AC control scheme with face buttons for attacks and shoulders for parkour?
Whilst I can understand the criticism of the actual software, there is a thread of console and PC gamers who need to get rid of the chip on their shoulder about mobile gaming in general.
There are still plenty of decent premium releases, innovative mechanics and indie hits to make you completely ignore the F2P cash grabs. Being able to do something as simple as play a few rounds of Balatro whenever I want is enough to make me pick that version over the rest.
I could perhaps understand the sentiment if Square Enix had abandoned traditional platforms but the last decade has seen an obscene amount of quality games from then on consoles.
If anything my criticism is where the heck is the mobile port of Final Fantasy X?!?
The irony being that Destiny Rising has got the player base excited again. It’s actually really good with a good foundation to build on. Perhaps the future of a game like this was always going to be mobile where the weight of mechanics is expected rather than tolerated?
The industry has been Sony vs Nintendo for nearly a decade now. I stuck with Xbox because it still played my favourite 360 games, not because its first party output was any good. That and Forza Horizon.
Perhaps it’s not Sony vs Nintendo at all though. They both seem to coexist by serving different markets.
Xbox on the other hand has no big single player adventure titles and has blindly ignored the family market since the Xbox One launch.
It’s worth a mention that EA has to take out a $20bn loan secured against itself for the buyout which means layoffs, consolidation and even more aggressive monetisation.
I stated some facts about Tetris. It is easy to pick up, infinitely replayable and unreplicable in other mediums. Whether someone likes it or not is beside the point.
My opinion is Balatro is up there with Tetris. Why do you think it’s not?
@Almost_Ghostly Personal opinion has nothing to do with it. Objectively the greatest videogame ever made is Tetris. It's easy to pick up, infinitely repayable and cannot be replicated in any other medium.
Balatro is up there with Tetris. Whilst perhaps not as immediate over it gets it's claws into you you know about it. You don't need to know a thing about poker to have any fun with it. Even if you don't get on with it on a personal level, you cannot deny it's plaudits and impact.
If you treat this as an open-ended freeform space RPG it's actually a really good game. There are loads of things to do and lots of ways to approach it all.
If you've come for the story you're best completely ignoring the main quest line altogether.
@3Above After the island parts of Forbidden West I am kind of hoping they take Aloy to what's left of Hawaii (some secret Faro facility?) and make the next game a futuristic Wind Waker, where you get to hack and ride the tiderippers.
Microsoft just don't know how to run things as a publisher. They should just set the budget at the start, give them a 3-year timeframe and let them get to work.
These sorts of moves are inevitable. It's not 1992 anymore and kids aren't arguing about whether Nathan Drake or Master Chief is the better character. Most online games are cross platform anyway. Who the heck to they think they're playing Call of.Duty or Fortnite against?!
If everyone becomes 3rd party so be it. It didn't hurt Sega.
I'm totally on board with the idea but publishers cannot keep the servers on forever for just a few hundred players.
What they should of course is mandate that offline play modes be baked in from the beginning so that players can continue to enjoy their purchases in future.
Apple defenders keep bringing up the Games Industry as examples of closed platforms people are content with, yet there is no gaming platform to my knowledge that has only one storefront. Even digital only consoles like the Series S with no disc drive add-on can purchase discounted codes from places like CDKeys.
A more pressing matter is platform lock-in via digital licences and a lack of consumer ownership. There needs to be a way to let you take your digital purchases from one platform to another (eg PlayStation to Xbox) without paying for everything again.
@Jrs1 There have been rumours about them doing a retro streaming service for ages. Given the mysterious delisting of their own internal titles (which are not 'expired' and the lack of extra games for the Switch Mega Drive app it's only a matter of when, not if.
@Woods-PS Come on, you've got to admit that disembodied hands and teleportation is no way to offer immersion in a game. It's the VR equivalent of touchscreen buttons: a shoehorned control method for games better suited to other platforms.
But the games made specifically for VR, the ones that couldn't have just been done on the Wii? Those games are insane. Tetris Effect is worth buying a Quest 2 just to play. This is what I meant about not needing an expensive headset when a cheaper one will do the job. It's not the same playing it on a TV.
Ultimately the best VR games are titles like Tetris Effect and Rez Infinite that try to do something original with the hardware instead of just shoehorning in a title that would be better elsewhere. Beat Saber could have been a PSMove title and lost nothing.
You don't need an expensive headset to enjoy Tetris Effect.
Sony crashed the bus with the PS5. When parents buy expensive consoles to play ok themselves they will inevitably look for titles to play with their kids. At launch Sackboy was a great example of this strategy.
Since then we've had naff all in terms of family titles. The PS3 was a fantastic console for this, from titles like LBP, Singstar, Super Rubadub etc. This has since fallen off a cliff.
Sony have loads of great developers. Let them make smaller, cheaper titles or something I can play with my kids.
@Jeaz All I'm saying is that to have a valid opinion, to be taken seriously on your thoughts and feelings on a videogame you need to have played it first.
This is why the comments the article mentioned are embarassing for the people who made them. Had Sega released a playable demo, it would be a different story.
@Thumper Absolutely. A trailer is designed to peak your interest, not form an opinion. There is a big, big difference between 'Everest looks really hard to climb' and 'Everest /is/ really hard to climb'.
@Jeaz I will always give a game a fair shot, even if it has reviewed poorly so long as said game is within my tastes. I've enjoyed loads of rough-edged titles over the years that has otherwise been rubbished in the press, conversely I have also disliked a lot of well-rated games I thought I might like.
@Jeaz But there is a big difference between 'This doesn't interest me, so I'll ignore it' and 'This is crap'.
I don't drive and have no interest in cars. I seen maybe one car commercial over the years that made me consider buying a car. I've never driven any of them so cannot possibly comment on whether they are rubbish or not as I have no first-hand experience. So I ignore them.
Its like saying a band is trash without ever listening to their music or saying a food is horrible without tasting it. Its not a valid opinion because it lacks a citation. You wouldn't pay attention to a review of anything if the writer had never actually properly experienced the subject matter.
We cannot possibly comment on the quality of a game until the final gold release is in our hands and we can experience it ourselves.
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Re: The Battle Bus Is Returning to Fortnite, and a Nostalgic Nicktoon Is Along for the Ride
@Fluberuper Here’s hoping for Jorgen Van Strangle from Fairly Odd Parents
Re: PS5 Is Edging Out the Switch 2 in the UK So Far This Year
@MrGawain Video games are video games. Some of the more haughty hobbyists might like to live in ignorance but the fact is that consoles, phones, retro consoles, portables, tablets and PCs are all in direct competition with each other.
Saying otherwise would be like saying that Disney aren’t in competition with Paramount.
Re: PS5 Is Edging Out the Switch 2 in the UK So Far This Year
This is what happens when you charge customers the expected lower-than-launch price of £300 rather than the RRP of £430.
Re: Rumour: Paramount to Collab with Fortnite for Some Fun New Sidekicks
I’ll pay whatever they like for a Momo or Pabu
Re: Valve Won't Subsidise Steam Machine, Expected to Be Pricier Than More Powerful PS5
If they’re not going to uncut Sony on price then what is the point of buying one, really?
Re: 'Financial Viability Is a Big Deal': Emulation Studio on Why More Retro Games Aren't Coming to PS Plus Premium
All of Sony’s current retro titles are or have been on the PSN for sale separately and are still there now.
Re: Talking Point: Will PlayStation's Mobile Push Be a Success or a Flop?
It seems the snobbery from console gamers towards the mobile platform is largely baked into the controls rather than the F2P elements. I mean 70% of Fortnite players are on PlayStation so clearly the financial elements are not as off putting as they may seem.
They do have a point in controls. Just like VR, shoe-horning existing genres in rather than attempting to build anything bespoke rarely results in a quality experience.
Re: Poll: Does the Steam Machine Pose a Threat to PS5?
It boils down to cost. If Valve charge $500 for a machine without a controller then you may as well just buy a PS5.
Re: Hands On: PS Portal Is a Whole New Device with Cloud Streaming Update
@KoopaTheGamer It rather depends on your broadband. I’m not trying to brag but I have a 1gig connection at home which is flawless with game streaming. On the road though hotel WiFi at anything less than 100mb is awful.
Re: Hands On: PS Portal Is a Whole New Device with Cloud Streaming Update
They need to open this up to mobile now. Heck, charge us more money and we’d still pay for the ability.
Re: These Are All 2,800+ PS5 Games You Can Stream Directly to PS Portal Now
No WipEout. No dice.
Re: PS Portal Gets So Much Better Today in Huge UI, Cloud Streaming Update
Now bring the ability to the iPhone. I’ll happily pay for it.
Re: If You've Never Played Fortnite, This Is the Season to Try on PS5, PS4
I still play weekly with my other friends and we’re all in our forties. I know people say the game is for kids but they know exactly who they’re aiming some of the collabs at with Terminator and the X-Men. I like to think of it as a video game version of the wars I used to act out with my action figures in the early 1990s.
The draw is the chaos. Very few games ever really end in the same way. One match could be a shoot out, the next you’re the last guy left in your squad trying to use a car to knock the enemies into the storm.
Re: PUBG and Hi-Fi Rush Owner Krafton Is Spending $70 Million to Become an 'AI-First Company'
Given how useless LLMs can be, the rampant hallucinations that only increase with the size of the model and the lack of any profitability from AI companies likely forcing a big ‘pop’ in the next 2 years or so any company reorganising itself around AI isn’t a very sensible one.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Update 1.1.4 Brings Major Additions, Full Patch Notes Revealed
@Corc11 I did. There are too many ‘hold for this’ buttons to comfortable switch the controls around in the settings which I call an abject failure of accessibility on behalf of the devs. You count the buttons, add this many actions and leave it at that. If your game requires more, it needs to be simplified
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Update 1.1.4 Brings Major Additions, Full Patch Notes Revealed
I’m going to assume the game still remains unplayable for those of us who prefer the classic AC control scheme with face buttons for attacks and shoulders for parkour?
Re: As Fans Demand inFAMOUS Remasters, Sucker Punch Says It Can Only Work on One Game at a Time
If we’ve learned one thing from the Rise of Skywalker it’s to always ignore the fan base and trust in your creative gut instead.
Re: Backlash Begins as New Dissidia Final Fantasy Game Is Revealed for Mobile
Whilst I can understand the criticism of the actual software, there is a thread of console and PC gamers who need to get rid of the chip on their shoulder about mobile gaming in general.
There are still plenty of decent premium releases, innovative mechanics and indie hits to make you completely ignore the F2P cash grabs. Being able to do something as simple as play a few rounds of Balatro whenever I want is enough to make me pick that version over the rest.
I could perhaps understand the sentiment if Square Enix had abandoned traditional platforms but the last decade has seen an obscene amount of quality games from then on consoles.
If anything my criticism is where the heck is the mobile port of Final Fantasy X?!?
Re: Sony's Acquisition of Bungie Continues to Be Questioned as Destiny 2 Falls Off a Cliff
The irony being that Destiny Rising has got the player base excited again. It’s actually really good with a good foundation to build on. Perhaps the future of a game like this was always going to be mobile where the weight of mechanics is expected rather than tolerated?
Re: PS6 May Go Uncontested as Rumours of Next-Gen Xbox Cancellation Spiral
The industry has been Sony vs Nintendo for nearly a decade now. I stuck with Xbox because it still played my favourite 360 games, not because its first party output was any good. That and Forza Horizon.
Perhaps it’s not Sony vs Nintendo at all though. They both seem to coexist by serving different markets.
Xbox on the other hand has no big single player adventure titles and has blindly ignored the family market since the Xbox One launch.
Re: Mega Publisher EA Agrees to $55 Billion Buyout by Saudi Arabia, Silver Lake, Affinity Partners
It’s worth a mention that EA has to take out a $20bn loan secured against itself for the buyout which means layoffs, consolidation and even more aggressive monetisation.
Re: Mega Publisher EA Agrees to $55 Billion Buyout by Saudi Arabia, Silver Lake, Affinity Partners
@EYEBALL I theorised years ago that the merger was partially a protectionist move to protect those IP from going to Amazon, Google or worse.
Re: Rumour: PS6 Will Have a Detachable Disc Drive, Much Simpler Design
Still waiting for a PS5 that fits under my TV.
Re: Preview: Lumines Arise on PS5 Is the Eye-Popping Glow-Up the Series Deserves
@JayJ To me that has personal GOTY written all over it. Lumines is my favourite puzzle title and Tetris Effect is phenomenal. Mix them up and….. woah
Re: Rumour: Leaked PS6 Specs Reveal Affordable, Power Efficient Next-Gen Console for 2027
@Almost_Ghostly Time remains a great judge. The greatest board game of all time is Chess. Tetris is surely the video game equivalent?
Re: Rumour: Leaked PS6 Specs Reveal Affordable, Power Efficient Next-Gen Console for 2027
@Almost_Ghostly ?????
I stated some facts about Tetris. It is easy to pick up, infinitely replayable and unreplicable in other mediums. Whether someone likes it or not is beside the point.
My opinion is Balatro is up there with Tetris. Why do you think it’s not?
Re: Rumour: Leaked PS6 Specs Reveal Affordable, Power Efficient Next-Gen Console for 2027
@Almost_Ghostly Personal opinion has nothing to do with it. Objectively the greatest videogame ever made is Tetris. It's easy to pick up, infinitely repayable and cannot be replicated in any other medium.
Balatro is up there with Tetris. Whilst perhaps not as immediate over it gets it's claws into you you know about it. You don't need to know a thing about poker to have any fun with it. Even if you don't get on with it on a personal level, you cannot deny it's plaudits and impact.
But on topic, it could also run on a SNES.
Re: Rumour: Starfield PS5 to Take Flight Alongside New Expansion Next Year
If you treat this as an open-ended freeform space RPG it's actually a really good game. There are loads of things to do and lots of ways to approach it all.
If you've come for the story you're best completely ignoring the main quest line altogether.
Re: Rumour: Leaked PS6 Specs Reveal Affordable, Power Efficient Next-Gen Console
The specs arms race is dead anyway. The best game of the last decade is Balatro and you could probably run that on a SNES if you tried.
Re: Rumour: Sony to Put More First-Party PS5 Games on Xbox
How is it any different to porting the games to PC? Has this hurt the brand in any way?
Re: Tencent's Take on Horizon Would Have Taken Aloy to Asia
@3Above After the island parts of Forbidden West I am kind of hoping they take Aloy to what's left of Hawaii (some secret Faro facility?) and make the next game a futuristic Wind Waker, where you get to hack and ride the tiderippers.
Re: Mini Review: Patapon 1+2 Replay (PS5) - The Best Versions of Two PSP Classics in One Package
NOW DO LOCOROCO
Re: Xbox's Promising MMORPG Sounds Like the Most Baffling Cancellation
Microsoft just don't know how to run things as a publisher. They should just set the budget at the start, give them a 3-year timeframe and let them get to work.
Re: PS5 Fans Divided Over Helldivers 2 on Xbox Pivot
These sorts of moves are inevitable. It's not 1992 anymore and kids aren't arguing about whether Nathan Drake or Master Chief is the better character. Most online games are cross platform anyway. Who the heck to they think they're playing Call of.Duty or Fortnite against?!
If everyone becomes 3rd party so be it. It didn't hurt Sega.
Re: Stop Killing Games Fights to Stop Publishers from Revoking Access to Full-Price Products
I'm totally on board with the idea but publishers cannot keep the servers on forever for just a few hundred players.
What they should of course is mandate that offline play modes be baked in from the beginning so that players can continue to enjoy their purchases in future.
Re: Sony Sued for 'Abusing Its Dominant Position in the Console Market'
Apple defenders keep bringing up the Games Industry as examples of closed platforms people are content with, yet there is no gaming platform to my knowledge that has only one storefront. Even digital only consoles like the Series S with no disc drive add-on can purchase discounted codes from places like CDKeys.
A more pressing matter is platform lock-in via digital licences and a lack of consumer ownership. There needs to be a way to let you take your digital purchases from one platform to another (eg PlayStation to Xbox) without paying for everything again.
Re: SEGA's Accidentally Outed Sales Numbers Put a Lot into Context
@Jrs1 There have been rumours about them doing a retro streaming service for ages. Given the mysterious delisting of their own internal titles (which are not 'expired' and the lack of extra games for the Switch Mega Drive app it's only a matter of when, not if.
Re: Talking Point: Is It Officially Game Over for PSVR2?
@Woods-PS Come on, you've got to admit that disembodied hands and teleportation is no way to offer immersion in a game. It's the VR equivalent of touchscreen buttons: a shoehorned control method for games better suited to other platforms.
But the games made specifically for VR, the ones that couldn't have just been done on the Wii? Those games are insane. Tetris Effect is worth buying a Quest 2 just to play. This is what I meant about not needing an expensive headset when a cheaper one will do the job. It's not the same playing it on a TV.
Re: Talking Point: Is It Officially Game Over for PSVR2?
Ultimately the best VR games are titles like Tetris Effect and Rez Infinite that try to do something original with the hardware instead of just shoehorning in a title that would be better elsewhere. Beat Saber could have been a PSMove title and lost nothing.
You don't need an expensive headset to enjoy Tetris Effect.
Re: Sony Seems Eager to Explore Anime to Appeal to Younger Audiences
Sony crashed the bus with the PS5. When parents buy expensive consoles to play ok themselves they will inevitably look for titles to play with their kids. At launch Sackboy was a great example of this strategy.
Since then we've had naff all in terms of family titles. The PS3 was a fantastic console for this, from titles like LBP, Singstar, Super Rubadub etc. This has since fallen off a cliff.
Sony have loads of great developers. Let them make smaller, cheaper titles or something I can play with my kids.
Re: Atlus Says It's 'Actively Preparing' for the Future of Persona as Revival Gets Rough Reception
@Jeaz All I'm saying is that to have a valid opinion, to be taken seriously on your thoughts and feelings on a videogame you need to have played it first.
This is why the comments the article mentioned are embarassing for the people who made them. Had Sega released a playable demo, it would be a different story.
Re: Atlus Says It's 'Actively Preparing' for the Future of Persona as Revival Gets Rough Reception
@Thumper Absolutely. A trailer is designed to peak your interest, not form an opinion. There is a big, big difference between 'Everest looks really hard to climb' and 'Everest /is/ really hard to climb'.
Re: Atlus Says It's 'Actively Preparing' for the Future of Persona as Revival Gets Rough Reception
@Jeaz I will always give a game a fair shot, even if it has reviewed poorly so long as said game is within my tastes. I've enjoyed loads of rough-edged titles over the years that has otherwise been rubbished in the press, conversely I have also disliked a lot of well-rated games I thought I might like.
Re: Atlus Says It's 'Actively Preparing' for the Future of Persona as Revival Gets Rough Reception
@Jeaz But there is a big difference between 'This doesn't interest me, so I'll ignore it' and 'This is crap'.
I don't drive and have no interest in cars. I seen maybe one car commercial over the years that made me consider buying a car. I've never driven any of them so cannot possibly comment on whether they are rubbish or not as I have no first-hand experience. So I ignore them.
Its like saying a band is trash without ever listening to their music or saying a food is horrible without tasting it. Its not a valid opinion because it lacks a citation. You wouldn't pay attention to a review of anything if the writer had never actually properly experienced the subject matter.
We cannot possibly comment on the quality of a game until the final gold release is in our hands and we can experience it ourselves.
Re: Atlus Says It's 'Actively Preparing' for the Future of Persona as Revival Gets Rough Reception
@Deoxyr1bose It’s a game. You play it. It’s like saying you don’t like a book because you don’t like the trailer when you haven’t read it!
Re: Atlus Says It's 'Actively Preparing' for the Future of Persona as Revival Gets Rough Reception
@naruball It’s like disliking something has become a form of entertainment. Maybe someone should make a game about it!
Re: Atlus Says It's 'Actively Preparing' for the Future of Persona as Revival Gets Rough Reception
“It’s not out yet and I haven’t played it so cannot form a valid opinion…. But I hate it!”
Is the dumbest thing the internet ever does.
Re: Lumines Arise Brings the Puzzler Back in Gorgeous Style on PS5
“Tetris Effect, but Lumines” is the most exciting gaming news I’ve heard all year! Sign me up.
Re: Persona 4 Remake Inevitable as Voice Actor Mentions Project
I’d genuinely miss the voices from Golden, but it might be that they are just being cheap!
Re: Final Fantasy 9 Remake Talk Returns as Website Updates with New Character Profiles
Imagine if they’ve done a remake in the style of Octopath.