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Makes me think the handheld would be around the same price as Switch 2 and then the home console is more expensive than PS5 Pro.

@Porco I think Sony's aggressive pricing strategy will be GTA6 PS5 hardware bundles next year like $399 for PS5 digital edition + GTA6 download code for Days of Play.

Looks like the September SoP is probably September 23rd then.

@wiiware I think PvP not being on the disc might be about there being no bot matches for PvP so when the servers shut down the PvP will be unplayable irrelevant of whether it's on the disc or not.

@MFTWrecks Scope of the event, showcases are more a roadmap for the future of PS meanwhile SoP tends to look more short term.

The last showcase was the infamous one in May 2023 where all the PS Studios games present except Spider-Man 2 were live service.

Geoff's hype trailer for ONL confirmed that Ghost of Yotei will be at the event:

As Sunbreak was announced 6 months after MH Rise released, maybe a September SoP announces the MH Wilds expansion and then it's present here?

I think the "one more thing" will be Silksong.

Interested to see more about Titanic Scion, I liked the first Daemon X Machina and the new game is one of the very few Switch 2 3rd party games that are fully on the cart.

@AdamNovice I think the whole situation about Steam on the next gen Xbox complicates things about what Sony are willing to port over as in that scenario, Sony's exclusives are on Xbox by default as a result of the PC strategy.

Theoretically this'll mean little because if the next gen Xbox has Steam, you'll be able to play Sony's exclusives on Xbox anyway. I just hope future announcements have better timing, the Helldivers 2 Xbox announcement should've been delayed a week or so.

@Fiendish-Beaver I could see it being the parity clause that resulted in E-Day. Start on Gears 6, discover that the vision has to be compromised too much to get the game running on Series S with feature parity so pivot to a more linear game (E-Day). By the time Gears 6 releases, the game would be coming to PC/next gen only so the Series S problem is no longer present.

@UltimateOtaku91 I think the next Direct would be more of an indicator of what 3rd party support looks like for Switch 2. Nintendo commonly saves 3rd party reveals for Directs and there's been very few Switch 2 3rd party announcements in general post-April 2nd (a few Switch 2 editions of games coming to Switch 1 and Virtua Fighter 5).

The sooner Nadella is gone from Microsoft the better.

They waited until FH5 released before announcing Gears of War Reloaded so I think Halo's PS5 debut will be announced after August (probably October at Halo World Championships considering the teases about that event).

My guess is that a Direct has Sea of Thieves, CoD (BO6 or BO7) and Starfield/DOOM The Dark Ages/Indiana Jones. Then Gamescom gets Flight Sim 2024 alongside more info on already announced stuff.

I guess it's because Sony's upcoming 1st party lineup isn't large enough (in terms of quantity) to have a booth at Gamescom.

A theoretical Sony Gamescom 2025 booth would've been Ghost of Yotei and a bunch of 3rd party games meanwhile with there being no booth, the 3rd party games may still be at the event anyway.

In contrast Sony's Gamescom 2019 booth had quite a sizeable number of 1st party games like Dreams, Concrete Genie, MediEvil remake and Death Stranding.

I don't think they'd have added new content to the game recently after a very long gap of nothing new if it wasn't coming to new platforms soon. The question becomes who will announce it, Rockstar (via a standalone trailer), Nintendo (via a Direct) or some other source?

I'm leaning towards Nintendo Direct Partner Showcase.

I think they're waiting on Nintendo, very few 3rd party games have been announced for Switch 2 after the initial batch in the April 2nd Switch 2 Direct but naturally if FFIX remake existed Square Enix would want to announce it for Switch 2.

Didn't the FTC trial already provide the evidence that Game Pass was unsustainable?

The timing of this game announcement is disturbing as it distracts from this week's horrific Xbox news. Xbox execs won't have any accountability for their actions and instead the big message of this week becomes about whether Sony is going 3rd party by bringing Helldivers 2 to Xbox.

PS+ was at its best during the PS3 era, just an optional bonus on the side while online multiplayer was free.

I wonder if Elden Ring will be here considering the Switch 2 version hasn't gotten a release date yet and the extra content is coming to the other platforms.

That's disappointing on two levels:
1) It would've been really nice for there to have been a PS5/Switch 1 physical version
2) While the absence on newer Nintendo hardware could be resolved via Gamecube NSO (Switch 2), PS players are left out unless Sony finds some way to do native PS3 games on PS5

@OldGamer999 If you make physical games more expensive than digital, you're essentially trying to force people into the digital only future. Same thing about the existence of Key Cards/Discs instead of putting the game on the cart/disc.

How companies act if the digital only future arrives is a problem in itself but the focus should be on trying to prevent the digital only future from happening in the first place.

If they won this, wouldn't Sony just make physical more expensive than digital like what Nintendo's done with Switch 2 1st party exclusives outside NA (e.g. physical DK Bananza is £66.99 while digital is £58.99)?

@somnambulance @LofiPie27 I think release pacing will be a big challenge regarding sales of an individual title. Tactics in September, FF7 Remake in winter, Rebirth probably in 2026, the 3rd part could be early 2027 coinciding with the PS1 game’s anniversary. Add in the elusive FF9 Remake somewhere and you may end up with a FF release approximately every 3 months, for example:

• September 2025 - Tactics
• December 2025 - FF7 Remake (Switch 2/Series X|S)
• March 2026 - FF16 (Switch 2)
• June 2026 - Rebirth (Switch 2/Series X|S)
• September 2026 - FF9 Remake (PS5/PC/Switch 2/Series X|S)
• January 2027 - 3rd part of FF7 Remake trilogy (PS5/PC/Switch 2/Series X|S)

Sounds like an effective way to avoid GTA6. Let Switch 2 players catch up on recent releases like P3R and Metaphor before GTA6 followed by P4R releasing on all platforms coming out a sizeable gap after GTA6.

Makes me wonder if PS6 doesn’t support PSVR or PSVR2 much like how Series X|S doesn’t support Kinect.

I think PS6’s biggest challenge will be price, I don’t see either next gen device (PS6/next Xbox) being cheaper than PS5 Pro and considering crossgen has essentially been confirmed for similar length as PS4 during the PS5 generation I think the most common combo years into the PS6 generation will be PS5 + Switch 2.

@Scarface82G1 I think they will have an upgrade path because they increased the price of the PS4 version. Same tactic Sony used for Horizon Zero Dawn.

@Dman10 Considering the timeframe, I could see it being announced in a Direct and then the other versions being announced outside the Direct at the same time. Legends Z-A and Splatoon Raiders news does make general Direct seem less likely at this point but a Partner Showcase would still solve Switch 2’s upcoming 3rd party drought.

I don’t think they have learned from Concord because of Marathon and Fairgame$.

I also have a bad feeling that Nintendo will make Mario Kart World go full live service (battle passes + cosmetics store) at some point post-launch resulting in even more live service chasing from other companies much like how many companies went chasing open world as a result of BotW.

@AdamNovice Nintendo’s usually the source of the annual Just Dance reveal and considering Switch 2 was almost completely absent from both SGF + Xbox showcase, I think it’s a safe guess at this point that there’s a June Nintendo Direct.

That was a rough show, though what I was hoping for the most was a release date for Sonic Racing CrossWorlds which happened. September is very packed.

It was a very good SoP, both in terms of announcements themselves and the pacing. It also makes me wonder what Sony saved (if anything) for SGF, it’s not Ghost of Yotei because next info is July SoP and it’s probably not DS2 either because that game has its own event this month.

I think OD will be the Xbox exclusive coming to PS announced at SGF. DS2 has its own event which suggests Kojima’s presence at SGF is for a different reason.

@DonkeyFantasy I could see them releasing CoD 2025 as $80 DLC for Black Ops 6 as a way to get out of their commitment to releasing CoD day 1 on Game Pass. It would also explain the PS5 Black Ops 6 hardware bundle and the rumours of Black Ops 6 coming to Switch 2.

@Oram77 They are allowing you to avoid the news if you want to go in blind, it’s not like “surprise, here’s a 10 minute trailer at SGF or the next SoP”. Reminds me of how Nintendo promoted Xenoblade Chronicles 3 in 2022.

@get2sammyb I think Sony’s problem is that the good is close to the bad. For example we see the console price drops and the positivity surrounding DS2 + GoY but close by there’s the mess surrounding Marathon and Fairgame$.

I could see it being OD shown off as DS2 has been getting its own events more recently like the TGS and SXSW presentations.

@Vivisapprentice I don’t see DQ12 news until 2026 to be honest. Square Enix are making a big effort to get Nintendo players into their newer FF releases, DQ12 would probably overshadow that effort.

Meanwhile if Geoff got the opportunity to showcase a Square Enix game at the Game Awards this year it would be more likely to be KH4.

Seeing Sony's live service strategy fall apart very fast, I think what they'll do is give Geoff a Ghost of Yotei trailer (perhaps also the next PS Studios PC port) and then coast off the Xbox showcase effectively being a 3rd party SoP.

Maybe they do a showcase in September.

@S1ayeR74 Mario Kart World is £75 physically and in general for most of the world physical is more expensive than digital with Switch 2 (US is an exception but in the bad sense of $80 being both). PS5 has the better deal as most 3rd party games have the full game on the disc and physical is usually cheaper than digital.

@Th3solution True, an example that would've made my point clearer is remastering Killzone over Horizon Zero Dawn.

When mentioning Jak & Daxter, I was treating the PS2 classics emulation as separate. The Wind Waker situation on Switch 2 came to mind, GCN original is emulated for NSO but plenty of people would want a native port of the Wii U remaster.

@Th3solution I'm certain people would be praising Sony about remasters if they were picking games that didn't already have native PS4 versions. Like if instead of TLoU 1 and 2 for PS5, they remastered the Jak & Daxter games.

Key Cards/Discs is a lose-lose situation for physical. If they are successful then that'll tell publishers to not bother with real physical versions meanwhile if they flop then publishers will get the impression that there's no need for any sort of physical release.

@stu123 @rjejr When faced with the choice of Key Card or digital, I think more people will go towards digital as most of the benefits of physical are erased with Key Cards.

I think 2025 will be even worse for physical because of most Switch 2 games being Key Cards and Nintendo's 1st party Switch 2 games being cheaper digitally (e.g. Mario Kart World £35 digital via the bundle meanwhile it's £75 physically).

It's really disappointing how Nintendo changed from being the champion of physical media to actively wanting to destroy it.

@Dimey Gears of War 2 was the game that introduced horde mode and they didn't add it into the 2015 remaster of the first game so I don't think it's in the new remaster of the first game either. By mutliplayer they're talking about PvP.

Considering how they started with just the first Gears of War game and those rumours about a Halo 1 remake, I think MCC for PS5 would start with just Reach (not a remake) and then remake the original trilogy before adding in ODST + 4 (not remakes).