That's it for me, I'll probably won't be supporting the game anymore. I don't care about what excuses he's using, people who really want to support the Vita community release their games there no matter what.
@DMG361132 That was the highlight of my month, someone's calling me a sjw while I'm called Nazi right in the next internet corner.
You sure like to talk about me just giving my opinion while you're doing the exact same. You say someone can be against crossplay whitout any reason but I just don't believe it, no one is pro or against something whitout any reason and because people that are against crossplay can't even say why they're against I'll continue to assume the only possible reason in my mind and it's fanboyism.
And more, the fact that you think I "hate" Sony because I don't agree with every decision they make just reinforce my views about fanboys.
@DMG361132 No, I'm saying that there's no reason to not wanting crossplay other than being a fanboy.
And I'm not leaving anything, I'm not stupid, I like to play my games and I like PlayStation exclusives, that doesn't mean I have to support something that's bad for me because it'll be good for a company that has nothing to do with me, it means I won't be playing anything that has the slightest chance of having online crossplay on ps4 because I don't wanna risk get trapped.
And hey, I'm sure Sony will send you a email with a thanks note for protect them against anyone who doesn't lick their boots unconditionally.
I'm really tired of people making this some kind of statement of Bethesda against Sony...It's not, even though the media like to make look like this to get clicks.
Legends is a game that won't work with a closed community, period.
They won't damage the already estabilished community because of Sony's decisions, that's it, there's nothing like "Bethesda is trying to pressure Sony" or anything like that. Jesus Christ, and the PlayStation community nowadays is way worse than Nintendo's, they're both looking like religions. Next thing we'll be having people Killing one another over what is best for the company they think they have to protect..
This game is going to flop very hard, it lost most of the already little fanbase to try to appeal to a broader and more casual public but the casual public never cared about niche games, they just want more god of war, uncharted and CoD, nothing else matters.
And with soul Calibur 6 better than ever and Tekken kicking asses out there, DoA without their old fans is just a niche 3D fighter that's going to drown.
@Paranoimia there's more reasons, the game has tournaments and the ladder can't be separated, the tournaments are more important than having some more players that play exclusively on ps4.
And again, Bethesda is not trying to be a revolutionary leader the journos are making out to be, they just won't damage their community over Sony's decision, it's not a Bethesda vs Sony.
@leucocyte In this case it's a card game, it doesn't have any difference in any platform. When I play on my Android, I'm playing the exact same game with no disavantage over someone playing with me on a pc.
@Flaming_Kaiser and this is why I'm talking about fanboyism, I'm not applauding Xbox or Nintendo for this it's just something that I think it has to be the standard, this is not about comparing consoles I care not about Sony or nintendo success, if they made trillions of dollars it wouldn't make any difference in my life, there isn't a war between consoles the war is just in the imagination of the children, it's just Sony being unfavorable to their consumers for "little" profit, to me this looks exactly like EA modus operandi.
And just so you know, since the original PlayStation, all of my consoles have been from Sony, but when they start to act like greedy bastards they won't have my support.
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together.
So far it has been way better than the fast paced Action RPGs we have nowadays, and I just bought Strider on the flash sale and so far it has been as good as I thought it would be.
@adf86 there's absolutely no reason to not want crossplay, you can just don't care about it but not wanting is being either a fanboy or a Sony shareholder.
The amount of fanboysh comments in this specific article is astonishing.
I'm an elder scrolls legends player and a PlayStation player but I don't want to be traped inside a separated ecosystem, nor I want to start everything again or tie my account to a PlayStation only ecosystem.
Defending this Sony garbage decision is stupidity, unless you're making money out of this fact, consumers gains absolutely nothing from this.
I swear to God, corporatism is worse than communism, people defending companies anti consumer and decisions is insane.
@Paranoimia that's because you're still not a fan of RPGs, since fallout 3 is an action games with RPG elements and fallout New Vegas is a RPG with action
game elements.
Horizon zero down is the sole representative of what I don't like about PlayStation today and I feel bad just to have Aloy as a finalist. I don't care about Nathan, but he had my vote just because I despise Aloy and the dreadful future of generic unpolished mainstream games she represents.
I'm very surprised with the results until now, but I still believe that Kratos will win, he just got a new game and he already was an overrated character before. Of course I voted for Kat, I had way more fun with gravity than I had with any god of war I ever played.
I almost only create female characters in games because I really find them more stylish. But I truly believe that there where no british women with prosthetic arms fighting in WWII. And by what I know, Battlefield has always had a realistic approach to war, but the trailer of this game looks just like a hero shooter to me.
@Ps4_all_the_way this is not entirely true, nowadays companies usually creates necessities for consumers, in truth, they've been doing this since the invention of cigarettes or even before.
I've been talking about this for years, I'm a huge fan of futurism, and services are the way to go for everything that is possible, it makes way more accessible to everyone and makes more sense. Looking to our music today it's easy to get a glimpse. We pay for a subscription that gives us access to millions of albums, before we had to buy a CD with 14 songs for a price way higher than a subscription fee. Movies followed the same path and it won't be long for games to follow too.
The biggest barrier are people notions of property, and I know that this is delicate but it's something that needs to be further discussed by everyone, not only a tiny niche.
The next one will be the most difficult for me. Sonic was my entire childhood and Metal Gear was the rest of my entire life, I don't think I can vote on that one.
People nowadays are so used to trade smartphones every year, and there's so much newcomers in game industry, that they're starting to think that videogames are as disposable as smartphones.
PS5 will not come this year, there's not a reason to and Sony didn't even made all the money they can with the PS4 yet, there's much to do, I don't even believe that devs explored all the console have to offer.
2020 is more acceptable as a date of announcement with a release in the end of 2020 or in 2021.
@get2sammyb yes, like I said they're in a good position and that's why they're being dicks. An example would be their refusal to allow cross plataform play in many games when even Nintendo is allowing.
Sony is in a high position right now and they are showing their true colors. There's a saying in my country: "You see the true face of someone by how they treat the ones they don't need".
Sony is taking a bunch of decisions that are disappointing me, it's just like Nintendo in the 64 era.
@BAMozzy you ignored everything I said. Not all games have to be realistic, games are games and all games have rules.
No action game will give you full control over your entire team to do exactly what you want at all times.
No AI is capable of acting with the in-depth perception and rational thinking of a human, so again, I like to take full control of my team in an RPG and I like to build strategies with their builds.
Games like, Dragons Dogma, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy XV and others try to cover this lack of control with an AI that is dumber as it gets and just spoil the game in favor of a simpler smashing buttons gameplay.
That said, I don't hate action games, I just think that some times I want to just smash buttons and see my characters doing cool moves, but sometimes I like to think like in a board game. Turn based games offer a different experience, not a inferior one.
@BAMozzy This is exactly the mentality that are completely destroying Final Fantasy, they are starting to do action games and people who genuinely like to play the turn based games are starting to drop the series.
Tabletop RPGs are turn based and people love them, I know I do.
Turn based are a genre to people who like to think over smash buttons, people who want to control a team without having to delegate the job to an stupid AI.
I really love to build a fully customized team and control all of them in a battle.
So, maybe it started because of some technical incapabilities wich I don't believe it's true, but it's a interesting genre, just like trash movies that started because they didn't have the means to do scary things and now it's a established genre with lots of fans.
@PS_Nation 100% Agreed, and more, I'll probably not be in the next Sony generation, the way the handled the Vita was like punch me in the face, I'm still with ps3 and Vita and thinking about not buying the ps4, instead I'll buy a switch because Nintendo cares for their customers.
First they raised the ps plus price, now they reduced the games they give.
It'll continue to be like now, mostly games with one or two months giving good games per year.
They just raised their revenue, that's all and everyone will keep giving them the money, since almost all games now are online and you need plus to be online.
@TheRam I know, he's the favorite of the mainstream gamers and I can't understand why (maybe because of the sword), but I'm a player not a gamer, i like good characters like Cecil or Kefka not overrated ones.
@BLP_Software It's clear that videogames can't grow so much and continue to be like it was in the past, and to me this is a sign that game industry was never meant to be this huge, somethings just have to stay niche.
@FullbringIchigo pre-orders are bad because people buy no matter what. For some reason, people nowdays think that they are obliged to buy stuff from companies, no matter how bad they are.
I'm glad Kojima is with Sony now, I'm not angry about what happened between Kojima and konami, they are and for this, they are destroying metal gear name just to spite Kojima, Metal Gear is my concern, not what happened between Konami and Kojima.
So yeah, I hope this game turns out as a total disaster for Konami, don't need to even play, just by what I see until now it's clear that is just a defence/build/zombie game using metal gear name.
@porhawj2016 you don't really know how games are made nowdays, do you? They say it's optional, but the game is made around the microtrasactions, everything is made to "encourage" people to buy, and by "encourage" i mean that the game is purposely unbalanced to make you buy what they are selling. You gotta be totally naive to think that a multi million company will be playing to lose.
@Lonejester there's always the option of a subscription fee, like WOW, WOW have been running for so much time and has a high quality standard for the balance of the game. And this is because they know how much they have to spend on the game, because is a fixed amount of money for player.
Don't know why people think that paying for a monthly subscription is something bad, when is the better option out there.
It's clear that they are trying to appeal to the only public they have. The sjw. A patch to make a character bisexual, this looks like the last thing to be concerned in this game.
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Re: Shadows Will Die Twice on 22nd March in Sekiro
@NintendoFan4Lyf I agree 100% with you, it makes me so sick when people start saying this stupidity.
Re: Kickstarter Castlevania Successor Bloodstained Cancelled on PS Vita
That's it for me, I'll probably won't be supporting the game anymore.
I don't care about what excuses he's using, people who really want to support the Vita community release their games there no matter what.
Re: The Elder Scrolls Legends May Not Launch on PS4 if Sony Doesn't Allow Cross-Play
@DMG361132 That was the highlight of my month, someone's calling me a sjw while I'm called Nazi right in the next internet corner.
You sure like to talk about me just giving my opinion while you're doing the exact same.
You say someone can be against crossplay whitout any reason but I just don't believe it, no one is pro or against something whitout any reason and because people that are against crossplay can't even say why they're against I'll continue to assume the only possible reason in my mind and it's fanboyism.
And more, the fact that you think I "hate" Sony because I don't agree with every decision they make just reinforce my views about fanboys.
Re: The Elder Scrolls Legends May Not Launch on PS4 if Sony Doesn't Allow Cross-Play
@DMG361132 No, I'm saying that there's no reason to not wanting crossplay other than being a fanboy.
And I'm not leaving anything, I'm not stupid, I like to play my games and I like PlayStation exclusives, that doesn't mean I have to support something that's bad for me because it'll be good for a company that has nothing to do with me, it means I won't be playing anything that has the slightest chance of having online crossplay on ps4 because I don't wanna risk get trapped.
And hey, I'm sure Sony will send you a email with a thanks note for protect them against anyone who doesn't lick their boots unconditionally.
Re: The Elder Scrolls Legends May Not Launch on PS4 if Sony Doesn't Allow Cross-Play
I'm really tired of people making this some kind of statement of Bethesda against Sony...It's not, even though the media like to make look like this to get clicks.
Legends is a game that won't work with a closed community, period.
They won't damage the already estabilished community because of Sony's decisions, that's it, there's nothing like "Bethesda is trying to pressure Sony" or anything like that. Jesus Christ, and the PlayStation community nowadays is way worse than Nintendo's, they're both looking like religions. Next thing we'll be having people Killing one another over what is best for the company they think they have to protect..
Re: Hitomi, Leifang Debut in Dead or Alive 6 Alongside Giant Tentacle
This game is going to flop very hard, it lost most of the already little fanbase to try to appeal to a broader and more casual public but the casual public never cared about niche games, they just want more god of war, uncharted and CoD, nothing else matters.
And with soul Calibur 6 better than ever and Tekken kicking asses out there, DoA without their old fans is just a niche 3D fighter that's going to drown.
Re: Elder Scrolls Legends Cross-Play 'Absolutely Critical', Situation Could Be 'Dire' on PS4
@Paranoimia there's more reasons, the game has tournaments and the ladder can't be separated, the tournaments are more important than having some more players that play exclusively on ps4.
And again, Bethesda is not trying to be a revolutionary leader the journos are making out to be, they just won't damage their community over Sony's decision, it's not a Bethesda vs Sony.
Re: The Elder Scrolls Legends May Not Launch on PS4 if Sony Doesn't Allow Cross-Play
@leucocyte In this case it's a card game, it doesn't have any difference in any platform. When I play on my Android, I'm playing the exact same game with no disavantage over someone playing with me on a pc.
@Flaming_Kaiser and this is why I'm talking about fanboyism, I'm not applauding Xbox or Nintendo for this it's just something that I think it has to be the standard, this is not about comparing consoles I care not about Sony or nintendo success, if they made trillions of dollars it wouldn't make any difference in my life, there isn't a war between consoles the war is just in the imagination of the children, it's just Sony being unfavorable to their consumers for "little" profit, to me this looks exactly like EA modus operandi.
And just so you know, since the original PlayStation, all of my consoles have been from Sony, but when they start to act like greedy bastards they won't have my support.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 232
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together.
So far it has been way better than the fast paced Action RPGs we have nowadays, and I just bought Strider on the flash sale and so far it has been as good as I thought it would be.
Re: The Elder Scrolls Legends May Not Launch on PS4 if Sony Doesn't Allow Cross-Play
@adf86 there's absolutely no reason to not want crossplay, you can just don't care about it but not wanting is being either a fanboy or a Sony shareholder.
Re: The Elder Scrolls Legends May Not Launch on PS4 if Sony Doesn't Allow Cross-Play
The amount of fanboysh comments in this specific article is astonishing.
I'm an elder scrolls legends player and a PlayStation player but I don't want to be traped inside a separated ecosystem, nor I want to start everything again or tie my account to a PlayStation only ecosystem.
Defending this Sony garbage decision is stupidity, unless you're making money out of this fact, consumers gains absolutely nothing from this.
I swear to God, corporatism is worse than communism, people defending companies anti consumer and decisions is insane.
Re: A Fallout: New Vegas Situation Is Unlikely to Happen Again, Says Bethesda
@Paranoimia that's because you're still not a fan of RPGs, since fallout 3 is an action games with RPG elements and fallout New Vegas is a RPG with action
game elements.
Re: Poll: Ultimate PlayStation Character Tournament: Grand Final
Horizon zero down is the sole representative of what I don't like about PlayStation today and I feel bad just to have Aloy as a finalist.
I don't care about Nathan, but he had my vote just because I despise Aloy and the dreadful future of generic unpolished mainstream games she represents.
Re: Amy Hennig Leaves EA, Goes Independent
I bet that this game will be just another EA/Star Wars/Disney failure, it's all they've been doing nowadays.
Re: Poll: Ultimate PlayStation Character Tournament: Top 8 - Match 122
I'm very surprised with the results until now, but I still believe that Kratos will win, he just got a new game and he already was an overrated character before.
Of course I voted for Kat, I had way more fun with gravity than I had with any god of war I ever played.
Re: EA Gives the Middle Finger to Those Against Women in Battlefield V
I almost only create female characters in games because I really find them more stylish.
But I truly believe that there where no british women with prosthetic arms fighting in WWII.
And by what I know, Battlefield has always had a realistic approach to war, but the trailer of this game looks just like a hero shooter to me.
Re: Poll: Ultimate PlayStation Character Tournament: Top 8 - Match 121
@jim_bob_89 Cloud is the probably the most overrated character ever made.
Re: PS5 Will Be the Last Console Before Streaming Takes Over, Says Ubisoft Boss
@Ps4_all_the_way this is not entirely true, nowadays companies usually creates necessities for consumers, in truth, they've been doing this since the invention of cigarettes or even before.
Re: PS5 Will Be the Last Console Before Streaming Takes Over, Says Ubisoft Boss
I've been talking about this for years, I'm a huge fan of futurism, and services are the way to go for everything that is possible, it makes way more accessible to everyone and makes more sense.
Looking to our music today it's easy to get a glimpse.
We pay for a subscription that gives us access to millions of albums, before we had to buy a CD with 14 songs for a price way higher than a subscription fee.
Movies followed the same path and it won't be long for games to follow too.
The biggest barrier are people notions of property, and I know that this is delicate but it's something that needs to be further discussed by everyone, not only a tiny niche.
Re: Poll: Ultimate PlayStation Character Tournament: Top 8 - Match 121
@Tasuki what did I said that's inappropriate?
Re: Poll: Ultimate PlayStation Character Tournament: Top 8 - Match 121
Came only to vote against Cloud, a terrible character from a mediocre Final Fantasy that's overrated because of casuals.
And we all know that Kratos will win, even though he's as overrated as Cloud, but at least he's a PlayStation character.
Re: Poll: Ultimate PlayStation Character Tournament: Top 16 - Matches 117-118
The next one will be the most difficult for me.
Sonic was my entire childhood and Metal Gear was the rest of my entire life, I don't think I can vote on that one.
Re: PS5 Is a Long Way Away, Or So Sources Say
People nowadays are so used to trade smartphones every year, and there's so much newcomers in game industry, that they're starting to think that videogames are as disposable as smartphones.
PS5 will not come this year, there's not a reason to and Sony didn't even made all the money they can with the PS4 yet, there's much to do, I don't even believe that devs explored all the console have to offer.
2020 is more acceptable as a date of announcement with a release in the end of 2020 or in 2021.
Re: NIS America: Sony Isn't Friendly with Small Publishers Like Us
@Areus yes, the same and only company that bring us all those niche titles we wouldn't see otherwise
Re: NIS America: Sony Isn't Friendly with Small Publishers Like Us
@get2sammyb yes, like I said they're in a good position and that's why they're being dicks.
An example would be their refusal to allow cross plataform play in many games when even Nintendo is allowing.
Re: NIS America: Sony Isn't Friendly with Small Publishers Like Us
Sony is in a high position right now and they are showing their true colors.
There's a saying in my country: "You see the true face of someone by how they treat the ones they don't need".
Sony is taking a bunch of decisions that are disappointing me, it's just like Nintendo in the 64 era.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 210
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga, again.
Re: Poll: Ultimate PlayStation Character Tournament: Round 2 - Matches 77-80
How in hell Ryu is losing like that!? I guess I really am just a old man....
Re: Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden Looks Like a Tactical PS4 RPG to Keep an Eye On
@BAMozzy you ignored everything I said.
Not all games have to be realistic, games are games and all games have rules.
No action game will give you full control over your entire team to do exactly what you want at all times.
No AI is capable of acting with the in-depth perception and rational thinking of a human, so again, I like to take full control of my team in an RPG and I like to build strategies with their builds.
Games like, Dragons Dogma, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy XV and others try to cover this lack of control with an AI that is dumber as it gets and just spoil the game in favor of a simpler smashing buttons gameplay.
That said, I don't hate action games, I just think that some times I want to just smash buttons and see my characters doing cool moves, but sometimes I like to think like in a board game.
Turn based games offer a different experience, not a inferior one.
Re: Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden Looks Like a Tactical PS4 RPG to Keep an Eye On
@BAMozzy This is exactly the mentality that are completely destroying Final Fantasy, they are starting to do action games and people who genuinely like to play the turn based games are starting to drop the series.
Tabletop RPGs are turn based and people love them, I know I do.
Turn based are a genre to people who like to think over smash buttons, people who want to control a team without having to delegate the job to an stupid AI.
I really love to build a fully customized team and control all of them in a battle.
So, maybe it started because of some technical incapabilities wich I don't believe it's true, but it's a interesting genre, just like trash movies that started because they didn't have the means to do scary things and now it's a established genre with lots of fans.
Re: PS Plus Members Will Get Two Games Per Month from March 2019
@PS_Nation 100% Agreed, and more, I'll probably not be in the next Sony generation, the way the handled the Vita was like punch me in the face, I'm still with ps3 and Vita and thinking about not buying the ps4, instead I'll buy a switch because Nintendo cares for their customers.
Re: PS Plus Members Will Get Two Games Per Month from March 2019
First they raised the ps plus price, now they reduced the games they give.
It'll continue to be like now, mostly games with one or two months giving good games per year.
They just raised their revenue, that's all and everyone will keep giving them the money, since almost all games now are online and you need plus to be online.
Re: Poll: Ultimate PlayStation Character Tournament: Round 1 - Matches 9-12
@TheRam I know, he's the favorite of the mainstream gamers and I can't understand why (maybe because of the sword), but I'm a player not a gamer, i like good characters like Cecil or Kefka not overrated ones.
Re: Final Fantasy VII Remake Has Undergone Some Big Visual Changes, Reports Say
Maybe he'll be back to his hero appearance, this "emo cloud" is disgusting and only edgy kids born in a post ps2 era like him.
Re: Talking Point: What Free December 2017 PlayStation Plus Games Do You Want?
@Th3solution that would be so good, but we probably get 2 indies nobody really care, because even the good indies don't come out with plus anymore.
Watch the language please
Re: Poll: Are You Buying Star Wars Battlefront 2?
@Big_Steve_74 the lootboxes in this game are not cosmetics only, they literally have powerboosts like more damage, aim assistance, more resistance...
Re: 'We Will Fix This' Says Star Wars Battlefront 2 Dev as Loot Box Outrage Rumbles On
@dryrain no amount of skill can compensate for a unfairly balanced game, you can shill as much as you want.
Re: 'We Will Fix This' Says Star Wars Battlefront 2 Dev as Loot Box Outrage Rumbles On
@Deadlyblack and sadly it's the only true answer they gave in the AMA.
People who buy more lootcrates, will be more stronger the the others.
Re: Soapbox: After the Vita's Failure, Why Do People Now Want Console Games on the Go?
@NathanUC I agree 100%
Re: Poll: Ultimate PlayStation Character Tournament: Round 1 - Matches 9-12
Cloud is the worst final fantasy character ever made.
Re: Telltale Culls a Quarter of Its Staff As It Refocuses on Quality
@BLP_Software It's clear that videogames can't grow so much and continue to be like it was in the past, and to me this is a sign that game industry was never meant to be this huge, somethings just have to stay niche.
Re: Poll: Is The Last of Us: Part II's New Trailer Too Much?
People nowdays are extremely sensitive to everything.
The trailer was perfectly fine because the game is about violence in a world without any rules.
This kind of thing and worse happens in our world and we don't have a infestation of a zombie parasite, so, i don't even see a reason to discuss this.
Re: Metal Gear Survive Scavenges an Early 2018 Release Date on PS4
@ToddlerNaruto don't feel bad for the devs, they'll be paid and with luck, they'll get a job in a better company.
And thanks, All-Might is the best.
Re: Poll: Ultimate PlayStation Character Tournament Round 1 - Matches 1-4
Damn, Adol just got into a hard fight right in the beginning...I hope he can win.
Re: Assassin's Creed Origins Microtransactions Confirmed, Helix Credits Make a Comeback
@Wunters as long as people keep buying, they don't care.
Re: Metal Gear Survive Scavenges an Early 2018 Release Date on PS4
@FullbringIchigo pre-orders are bad because people buy no matter what.
For some reason, people nowdays think that they are obliged to buy stuff from companies, no matter how bad they are.
Re: Metal Gear Survive Scavenges an Early 2018 Release Date on PS4
@HungryWolf I respect who have respect for me.
I'm glad Kojima is with Sony now, I'm not angry about what happened between Kojima and konami, they are and for this, they are destroying metal gear name just to spite Kojima, Metal Gear is my concern, not what happened between Konami and Kojima.
So yeah, I hope this game turns out as a total disaster for Konami, don't need to even play, just by what I see until now it's clear that is just a defence/build/zombie game using metal gear name.
Re: Assassin's Creed Origins Microtransactions Confirmed, Helix Credits Make a Comeback
@porhawj2016 you don't really know how games are made nowdays, do you?
They say it's optional, but the game is made around the microtrasactions, everything is made to "encourage" people to buy, and by "encourage" i mean that the game is purposely unbalanced to make you buy what they are selling.
You gotta be totally naive to think that a multi million company will be playing to lose.
Re: Poll: Where Do You Stand on Microtransactions?
@Lonejester there's always the option of a subscription fee, like WOW, WOW have been running for so much time and has a high quality standard for the balance of the game. And this is because they know how much they have to spend on the game, because is a fixed amount of money for player.
Don't know why people think that paying for a monthly subscription is something bad, when is the better option out there.
Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda PS4 Patch 1.08 Makes Jaal Bisexual, Fixes a Few Things
It's clear that they are trying to appeal to the only public they have. The sjw.
A patch to make a character bisexual, this looks like the last thing to be concerned in this game.