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@uptownsoul Its not 1m ps5s! It's significantly less! That figure was nearly 5 months ago. 😂🙈

@uptownsoul Remember the ps5 hadn't reached 1M units sold at the end of April. So the divide between ps5 install base and total Xbox install base was more in Xbox favour. At this point that gap is closing.

@NEStalgia For the record I'm not attacking you for wanting to buy on digital only Xbox third party games. I've bought tons of games on PSN and I've never felt any level of the piss being took out of me. My digital collection is alive and well and I buy stuff I like and I won't want to return. And now all ps4s can play physical and digital games without a CMOS battery OR internet connection/validation.

@NEStalgia Please explain why Sony will screw you over in digital. And maybe why you are omitting PS4 removing cbomb DRM while rival format still hasn't fixed that?

@Yomogi If you want I can send you a photo of it in its natural habitat. Standing next to a TV 😂

@Ralizah if you love the PS4 still and don't see a need to upgrade I definitely don't recommend playing any on ps5 at 60fps. It'll just sour the PS4 versions.

@Ralizah I platted god of war on ps5. Looks like a dream and I now can't go near 30fps games.

@Ralizah Yeah but once you start playing those games at 60fps there is no going back. You don't get pc players lamenting their new pc playing the games better than the old pc.

@Sakisa Hmmm. What about rocket league and fall guys? Hugely successful metrics on ps plus helped sell those games across all formats. But in general I would agree that Sony should concentrate some more on Indies. But then they do use playstation promotional videos where only show indie games. There is always room for improvement.

@4kgk2 But there's a big problem with telling Xbox users to buy games! A big part of the promotion of Xbox is that your getting all the good first party games nearly free! There would be a huge amount of surprised Pikachu faces if they are now told that buying games is important 🙈

@__jamiie Also extra special mention needs to go to finding zero merit in a good year for ps5. 👍

@Bleachedsmiles It's hard not to look at the strengths of the ps5 and think aloud. On forums 😂

@__jamiie Thank God Sony didn't go and buy returnal Dev then with it being so forgettable 😂

@uptownsoul And this is one of Xbox better markets too...

@Bleachedsmiles I am literally snowed under with games on ps5. All the new games plus 4,500 BC games that all run either better or completely without performance issues from ps4/pro. My cup runeth over. Why would having another console be better? My backlog is so huge I can't imagine doubling it up positive thing. Ps5 is a complete meal.

@4kgk2 And the gap is still in its infancy. It's going to grow more.

@Jacko11 But they like to keep them in garages and warehouses and stare at them.

@PaperAlien aren't you getting this? The scalpers are also buying up all the physical games 🙈. They especially like to buy 1st party and 3rd party games. Those pesky....ooooooooohhhh.....<shakes fists>

@K1LLEGAL I think it's safe to say that gap will only widen. Playstation sales are just too high and ongoing.

@Tharsman Link please evidence digital only indie games sell miniscule amounts on ps. Or link evidence Xbox sales of digital indie games are above ps indie sales.

@uptownsoul The UK is one of the strongest markets for Xbox. I used to work in retail involving games and although playstation was on top, Xbox weren't really slouches. But 3 years later....I thought the 200+m target set by Sony was a bit much. But now I'm not too sure...

@Floki also how many gamepass subscribers are the £1 for 3 month brigade?

@NEStalgia If you are saying investors would rather certainty than uncertainty that probably goes without saying 🙈. But we don't live in that world 😂

@Sakisa I don't say Xbox users DONT buy games full stop. Microsoft typically do not report non favourable statistics.

@Sakisa With the data that available to us so far, it does not look like games are selling as much on Xbox. I'm assuming most people on Xbox have gamepass which is not unreasonable. So I am linking the two. Also Microsoft is not posting figures, and those on gamepass seem to be NDAd to the hilt. Does this mean that there is preferential treatment if you are a higher status publisher? Is ea going to get more of each person's £120 per year per download of a game than say a smaller publisher who is just as prolific? If not, why isn't this information available?

@uptownsoul At which point in the month is this data available? And does it seperate sales within formats?

@Sakisa Can you back up your impression?

@NEStalgia I think we can't assume Xbox digital sales are greater than digital ps sales because their is next to no data, and Xbox isn't as popular as ps. Nor is it likely to really ever sell as much. And ps has those launch physical games dominating. Launch sales are good because they show the immediate flash of popularity of a title, and this shows the potential reverbations of future sales. There are games that start slow and then speed up but they are not numerable.

@Voltan I too am not bashing Xbox. I'm not convinced gamepass is good for the industry. In regards to physical Vs digital, I would ask what is the amount of unique posters on this site over say the last two months? And then I would ask, are they a good demographic to scale up and make that assumption? Anecdotal evidence:. I bought quake on ps5. It has crossplay and most of my friends managed to get xboxes on launch. They gamepassed the game briefly for crossplay multiplayer. They stopped playing after it. I am 80+ hours in and 64% trophies. They didn't buy quake. None of them. 1 ps owner, 4 series X owners. Anecdotal yes. But just as relevent as your own anecdotal evidence(NEStalgia).

@NEStalgia Your implying a lot of ps owners are not only digital. I am only digital. Where are the statistics from Microsoft? Even the NPD counts digital AND physical, and ps games were vastly outselling Xbox equivelents. I can't agree with your viewpoint because there is no backup evidence. 20% extra gp purchases? Fine. Where? Show me the numbers. Have the balls. Otherwise it's not very believable your 'You don't need to see my identification.' reply.

@Golem25 I don't see any evidence that Xbox digital sales are anywhere near ps digital sales full stop. Microsoft have done a phenomenal job in convincing its customers to absolutely stop funding the industry in any real way.

@Voltan This would be a good time for Sony to update their third party game release timings contract. If ms is going to try and hold the industry ransom for putting games on gamepass, then Sony need to remind the industry that the lion share of the profits are because of Sony's platform. A nice little 'If you want to put a game on our platform, fine, but there will be complications if you choose to release said game on rival format on subscription at launch.'

@Voltan ...and Microsoft will maintain the radio silence regarding the issue.

@Voltan If you go all out advertising a console from a subscription service, the result it seems is that your games sales pretty much die. If we assume Xbox is making up in digital sales, we have to assume ps is doing the same. I don't see how the industry can just ignore this alarming statistic. UK was a good territory for Xbox, one of the better ones in the world.

@yellowdog05 MS spent 7.5bn on a company that has nothing to show for a considerable time yet recouped that money in about 2 months. Microsoft don't make losses. Not at this stage of development. Ther is no fun, no excitement, no romance in watching a Goliath stomp David into the ground. Not for most of us anyways.

@Omnistalgic Absolutely agree mate. Microsoft is about 20 times the size of Sony and cannot spend it's money faster than it recoups it. What we are seeing here is Microsoft attempting to grab a major influencial role in every piece of interactive media on the planet. They just want all competitors out of the market. They are not interested in competition. Having choice in this world is a mark of freedom. Sony who want to spend lots to make exceptionally well made games and sell them to make money and repeat are not the bad guys in this dynamic. Not in the slightest. Microsoft pretending Sony are the Goliath's is an absolute perversion and people celebrating Microsoft coming out on top in this "fair" struggle are unconsciously bringing in a world without choice and hurting humanity beyond words. This is totalitarianism in the making.

@Alpha_Pulse I agree. The definitive versions of first party games on PS4 are on the ps5. I think Sony said they made 5% revenue from ps5 as compared to like 80-90 on PS4, and they see the ps5 jump to about 30% in a year(my figures might be a bit off here). The PS4 was actually a vastly underestimated wildcard at the start of this gen. The more Sony are making, the more they are also investing in new games. Ethically, and also for gamers the PlayStation platform is win-win. They WANT to make good games that sell well, and we WANT good games. Symbiosis. 🤣

@Loftimus In the uk we often pay more...I understand that it is not logical for digital goods to cost more...unless we also pay VAT on digital, I haven’t checked this. I suppose what I’m trying to say is that I paid £70 for it, and it still hasn’t let me go. I’d kind of be a fool to decry it’s worth at a personal subjective level. I feel I AM getting my money’s worth.

@Loftimus If I’ve spent 80 hours on returnal and still not seen it all, but only spent about 20 hours on resi and spent £70 as opposed to £55, do I not have a point in saying returnal has given me more bang for my buck?

@blinx01 Fair enough. Like many others, I really enjoyed old spidey and all the people reflecting in everything. It wasn’t perfect, but then I don’t know what we can class as perfect. Even a 3090 doesn’t render infinitely detailed games.

@Envy You are the contemplator of truth now as opposed to opinion? How can I evolve my soul so I’m on your level?

@blinx01 If you made the ps4pro do exactly the same game as the ps5 version of Spider-Man, it would absolutely crawl. 5-10fps? But if you let it take the time it needed it could and would generate image quality similar to ps5. Except the ps5 belts it along at 60fps. With newly added ML suit/body interaction. The crowd density was cut a little. The streets are still heaving. I don’t understand your not appreciating the new formats capabilities.

@MidnightDragonDX Yes, but will it allow the cartridge combo? The combo is a hugely complete platforming experience.

Does anybody know if this game contains net rollback code?

@KundaliniRising333 I agree. It maybe easier to get that result on one console. But that proves the other needs tlc. Especially as you’ll be selling more probably on that format. I know the ps5 has tremendous capabilities. It might not quite be at the level of xsx, but it’s not THAT big a difference. Not even 1800p? Not even checkerboard 4k? No thanks. Not good enough for my money.

@KundaliniRising333 The difference in resolution killed it for me. I don’t mind 1080p. But when the xsx version hits 4k I can see the priority level at pushing the xsx hardware. If you are going to visibly favour one system then no sale for me. I don’t want an xsx either. So it’s a loss for the company. Which is a shame because the lions share of console sales are playstation sales.

@Voltan Sorry for not being clearer bud. I did mean a single 1-6 play. I was dreading AND relishing that challenge if it were an actual trophy. I’m 70 hours in and I still love it. I’m at B6 but got destroyed in a 4-6 run by a big foe with too much energy 🤣

@Voltan Heya man, is there a trophy for the 6 biome complete playthrough?

@nessisonett If a company decides to invest a lot of money in a game to differentiate itself from the competition, it’s not unreasonable to expect a good return. Fair enough regarding the bugs. I’m very happy with returnal. About 30 hours in. 4th biome. It’s like crack. I’ve just got to have another shot. As long as Sony is willing to make good games(and they are) I’ll reward that. I want more you see.

@nessisonett ahhh cool man. How much do you think it took to make hades vs returnal? 🤣