@OneWingedAngel Microsoft have never been known to make quality products. They just buy there way into any endeavour that's been created by creative, competent people. They just want to control that which everyone else creates.
@OneWingedAngel Absolutely. They will have to inhabit the same living conditions and curtailment of gaming freedoms like the rest of us. I don't know what can be done about that level of short sightedness.
@teknium_ The problem would then be Microsoft gatekeeping the user paying a specific way. Gamepass would need to take pretty much over the entire system. Sony wouldnt get 30% of the sale. Microsoft:. The parasite that keeps giving 😂
@Col_McCafferty Sometimes I think the afterlife and the survival of self, those you love and those values you cherish can't come quick enough. Safe from all those who just 'hate' and want to control. Who detest humanity at large and abhor our free will.
@gaston Exactly. Nobody has said what a dev gets per download, or if money is held back till a user plays for an hour...or gets a particular achievement(proving interest). I do know that a recent poll showed that even Xbox exclusives user engagement is down. (In terms of relative achievements attained).
@Dweich02 We know Sony isn't Microsoft's competition anymore but I'm not seeing these megacorps trying to tear each other apart. The target is over Sony's head, and those other megacorps could help rebalance the potentials and win a load of favour. Bit will they? I don't see it.
@Carl-G I think I'm gonna get 2x Ragnaroks. Yes, I'm going to support the company I like. I'm not going to be on my deathbed wishing I had just jumped to Xbox 😂
@Sakisa MIcrosoft couldn't be a loss leader if you set fire to half of their cash reserve. Even putting the word 'loss' in the same paragraph as the word 'microsoft' is a deep insult.
@gaston Its a huge new type of abuse cycle in the making. The full third party games that were successful(i.e. downloaded quite a lot) also sold really well on playstation. So Microsoft would pay the Devs money to put the game on gamepass, word would spread. And revenue would come in from sales on other platforms because of word of mouth. Microsoft are looking to stop that happening because the dynamic was still making Sony more of the money. So they are needing to buy entire publishers just so the new games don't come to rival platforms at all. Not just cutting Sony and Nintendo out, but removing all that additional revenue Devs would have got. This is nothing but the biggest in your face power grab in current times regarding our favourite hobby.
@Sakisa If I remember right Sony was worth like 70bn in cash reserve while Microsoft was about 2000bn. Sounds like a legit competition to me with Microsoft buying companies up left and right to boot. If you can't see that as a farce...well...you do you mate.
@mucc Yeah. Coop campaign was a staple in all past halos. At least they can say the microtransaction store is absolutely perfect. And they'd be right on the money.
@Dweich02 Thats great. Things change. Power goes to fews head. We are witnessing this power increasing and have been blindsided into them being cosy and just one of us!
I'll tell you what, if I'm being paranoid and it turns out I'm talking nonsense, GOOD! That's the best scenario, but you could maybe meet me halfway in the meantime by at least looking at human history and not just assuming all this power isn't going to be used against us.
@Dweich02 Of course you would. If you remove all the nuance and simplify things like that you can pretty much get away with morally throwing cash at a huge megacorp while that same megacorp keeps amassing more power.
@Sakisa nobody is saying Bobby Kotick shouldn't have been evicted from his position as corrupt CEO, but your assuming Microsoft is a perfect arbiter and is not also being ruled by a very few people who have eaten one of their own.
Are you going to defend the inevitable gamepass price hikes because of inflation while berating Sony for selling £70 games because of inflation too?
EDIT:. This is a human wide issue masquerading as relief that Kotick is pretty much out and 'just jealous playstation fans'. The wider implications are the issue here.
@Sakisa Yeah, and countless people died in the war for our freedoms. Doesn't mean to say the world should now become dystopic. I've not been living under a rock. I'm fully aware of the human condition when power starts to serve the increasingly few who are posturing morality.
@Dweich02 So the ONLY way to remove Kotick was for the biggest most aggressive company to buy and gatekeep the content? That's like scientists recommending the earth be set on a course to collide with the sun because if they don't an asteroid coming the other way will kill loads of people.
@KayOL77 "We don't want to pull games away from our rivals" while pulling games away from their rivals. I think it's time somebody started collecting all the doublespeak stuff about Phil now we know his true colours. Remember he said delaying halo was the right move to finish it while ommiting most of the features? Nobody batted an eyelid. The hypocrisy is stunning to see.
@Dweich02 Remove Bobby Kotick by buying his company. Gateway an increasingly large part of an entire industry. I think proportionately speaking, that is not the right call for humanity at large.
@Col_McCafferty We are living in a parody version of earth indeed. But for what it's worth, it's a transitory realm. Nobody lives forever and nobody gets to keep material success and wealth past the point at which they take there last breath.
@Col_McCafferty It doesn't help that he looks smug and has all the buying power in the world. And looks to try and remove competition that isn't in the same wealth bracket.
@Col_McCafferty I hope they retroactively apply an actual ps5 patch to god of war taking advantage of the extra ram for higher quality assets and extra GPU to push LOD higher.
@DrClayman I think they could emulate the vast majority of PS3 games, bit there are a few cell specialised games that do crazy things. Good news though is that they are mostly first party games, so PS4/5 will get definitive versions of these games.
@LightningLeader I just stuck a 40gb hd in a PS3 super slim 12gb model. You need to add funds through PS4/5, but then you go to PSN store on PS3 and then...voila.
@djlard We are going to hold you to that! 😂. Nothing wrong with a bit of speculation but to outright claim future reading predictions are true...well 😂
@Martsmall If they can afford to wait 4 years and then still top steam sales, there is no reason NOT to wait and allow their own console timed priority. What were pc players going to do? Turn down a great, well performing masterpiece of a game?
@BeerIsAwesome Yeah, going by that logic, Microsoft should stop older but more popular pc graphics cards from working in peoples PCs. Pure hypocrisy 😂😂😂
@KundaliniRising333 Yes, and the market and the world changed. There are more games on ps5 you can't play on PS4 than the Xbox equivelent. Honestly, like you never saw rain clouds just before you left the house and changed your mind about that t-shirt and went with a jacket. Absolute. Preposterous.
@UltimateOtaku91 Exactly. Ditch PS4 and kiss bye bye to about 40m psplus subscribers. People who expect them to do that while Microsoft has the resources they have just seem really illogical. It's like, they WANT Sony to dig its own grave while looking pro Sony. Hypocrisy.
@Juanalf In Microsoft's situation where Xbox one sold relatively poorly and had pretty much nothing going for it and expensive to make it makes sense to shut it down. In Sony's case where Spartacus is probably also gonna hit PS4 and is still selling it makes sense to keep it going.
@__jamiie I bet all of those games that are cross platform made more money for the Devs than the gamepass version. All those games have sold very well on playstation.
"Why are you making your award winning games cost £10 more?!?"
"Why you not putting you new releases pretty much free to download?!"
Sony. Keep doing what your doing. Make awesome games. Make playstation studios a tour-de-force. Adapt to the conditions of the market as you see fit. Don't listen to people who are forever planning to do specific things then change their mind when new data arises.
@The_Moose Absolutely agree. They don't have to and shouldn't put their top tier games on the service. But if one of the subscriptions be like "Get 30% off first party new releases" that's gonna be helluva captivating.
@The_Moose I don't see just copying gamepass, but if it WAS just a copy of gamepass then it would pretty much neutralise the benefit of the competition. Maybe it will go towards that, but Sony have a tremendous financial safety cushion with all the current profits and ps5 demand. They can afford to be on cruise control and gently change the gears up when supported by awesome software.
@uptownsoul Yes. Xbox owners seem to think that a lot of people have no memories of pleasure from playstation brand and once they buy an s they will be forever converted 😂. It's not also like ps5 is going to become more and more attractive over time. 😂
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Re: Xbox Boss Expresses Desire to 'Keep Call of Duty on PlayStation' After Activision Buyout Is Complete
@anoyonmus Have fun playing god of war Ragnarok on Xbox 😝
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@OneWingedAngel Microsoft have never been known to make quality products. They just buy there way into any endeavour that's been created by creative, competent people. They just want to control that which everyone else creates.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@OneWingedAngel Absolutely. They will have to inhabit the same living conditions and curtailment of gaming freedoms like the rest of us. I don't know what can be done about that level of short sightedness.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@teknium_ The problem would then be Microsoft gatekeeping the user paying a specific way. Gamepass would need to take pretty much over the entire system. Sony wouldnt get 30% of the sale. Microsoft:. The parasite that keeps giving 😂
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Col_McCafferty Sometimes I think the afterlife and the survival of self, those you love and those values you cherish can't come quick enough. Safe from all those who just 'hate' and want to control. Who detest humanity at large and abhor our free will.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@gaston Exactly. Nobody has said what a dev gets per download, or if money is held back till a user plays for an hour...or gets a particular achievement(proving interest). I do know that a recent poll showed that even Xbox exclusives user engagement is down. (In terms of relative achievements attained).
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Dweich02 We know Sony isn't Microsoft's competition anymore but I'm not seeing these megacorps trying to tear each other apart. The target is over Sony's head, and those other megacorps could help rebalance the potentials and win a load of favour. Bit will they? I don't see it.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Carl-G I think I'm gonna get 2x Ragnaroks. Yes, I'm going to support the company I like. I'm not going to be on my deathbed wishing I had just jumped to Xbox 😂
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Sakisa MIcrosoft couldn't be a loss leader if you set fire to half of their cash reserve. Even putting the word 'loss' in the same paragraph as the word 'microsoft' is a deep insult.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@gaston Its a huge new type of abuse cycle in the making. The full third party games that were successful(i.e. downloaded quite a lot) also sold really well on playstation. So Microsoft would pay the Devs money to put the game on gamepass, word would spread. And revenue would come in from sales on other platforms because of word of mouth. Microsoft are looking to stop that happening because the dynamic was still making Sony more of the money. So they are needing to buy entire publishers just so the new games don't come to rival platforms at all. Not just cutting Sony and Nintendo out, but removing all that additional revenue Devs would have got. This is nothing but the biggest in your face power grab in current times regarding our favourite hobby.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Sakisa If I remember right Sony was worth like 70bn in cash reserve while Microsoft was about 2000bn. Sounds like a legit competition to me with Microsoft buying companies up left and right to boot. If you can't see that as a farce...well...you do you mate.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@mucc Yeah. Coop campaign was a staple in all past halos. At least they can say the microtransaction store is absolutely perfect. And they'd be right on the money.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Dweich02 Thats great. Things change. Power goes to fews head. We are witnessing this power increasing and have been blindsided into them being cosy and just one of us!
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Dweich02 They respect people in said megacorp. I'm sure there is a massive elephant sized contradiction in terms going on right there.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
I'll tell you what, if I'm being paranoid and it turns out I'm talking nonsense, GOOD! That's the best scenario, but you could maybe meet me halfway in the meantime by at least looking at human history and not just assuming all this power isn't going to be used against us.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Dweich02 Of course you would. If you remove all the nuance and simplify things like that you can pretty much get away with morally throwing cash at a huge megacorp while that same megacorp keeps amassing more power.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Sakisa nobody is saying Bobby Kotick shouldn't have been evicted from his position as corrupt CEO, but your assuming Microsoft is a perfect arbiter and is not also being ruled by a very few people who have eaten one of their own.
Are you going to defend the inevitable gamepass price hikes because of inflation while berating Sony for selling £70 games because of inflation too?
EDIT:. This is a human wide issue masquerading as relief that Kotick is pretty much out and 'just jealous playstation fans'. The wider implications are the issue here.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Sakisa Yeah, and countless people died in the war for our freedoms. Doesn't mean to say the world should now become dystopic. I've not been living under a rock. I'm fully aware of the human condition when power starts to serve the increasingly few who are posturing morality.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Dweich02 So the ONLY way to remove Kotick was for the biggest most aggressive company to buy and gatekeep the content? That's like scientists recommending the earth be set on a course to collide with the sun because if they don't an asteroid coming the other way will kill loads of people.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@KayOL77 "We don't want to pull games away from our rivals" while pulling games away from their rivals. I think it's time somebody started collecting all the doublespeak stuff about Phil now we know his true colours. Remember he said delaying halo was the right move to finish it while ommiting most of the features? Nobody batted an eyelid. The hypocrisy is stunning to see.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Shepherd_Tallon Its called Doublespeak 😂
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Dweich02 Remove Bobby Kotick by buying his company. Gateway an increasingly large part of an entire industry. I think proportionately speaking, that is not the right call for humanity at large.
Re: Sony Stock Value Loses $20 Billion, But Will Likely Recover
@Col_McCafferty We are living in a parody version of earth indeed. But for what it's worth, it's a transitory realm. Nobody lives forever and nobody gets to keep material success and wealth past the point at which they take there last breath.
Re: PlayStation Indies Evangelist Shuhei Yoshida to Speak at Asia-Pacific Game Summit This Week
People, don't sleep on shadowman. A great game from on back.
Re: Xbox Boss Reacts to PS Plus, PS Now Rumours, Says It's the 'Right Answer'
@killileahihoo No, mobile games in general made 116bn. Not just Sony ones 🙈
Re: Xbox Boss Reacts to PS Plus, PS Now Rumours, Says It's the 'Right Answer'
@Col_McCafferty It doesn't help that he looks smug and has all the buying power in the world. And looks to try and remove competition that isn't in the same wealth bracket.
Re: Sony's Own First-Party Studios Championed PC Ports
@Col_McCafferty I hope they retroactively apply an actual ps5 patch to god of war taking advantage of the extra ram for higher quality assets and extra GPU to push LOD higher.
Re: PS3 Games Spotted on PS5 Store, Fuelling PS Plus Rumours - But It's Nothing New
@DrClayman I think they could emulate the vast majority of PS3 games, bit there are a few cell specialised games that do crazy things. Good news though is that they are mostly first party games, so PS4/5 will get definitive versions of these games.
Re: PS3 Games Spotted on PS5 Store, Fuelling PS Plus Rumours - But It's Nothing New
@LightningLeader I just stuck a 40gb hd in a PS3 super slim 12gb model. You need to add funds through PS4/5, but then you go to PSN store on PS3 and then...voila.
Re: PS3 Games Spotted on PS5 Store, Fuelling PS Plus Rumours - But It's Nothing New
@djlard We are going to hold you to that! 😂. Nothing wrong with a bit of speculation but to outright claim future reading predictions are true...well 😂
Re: This Is Why PlayStation Wants to Make Smartphone Games
@Tharsman It may be that Roblox can incorporate patches that include unauthorised executable code, thereby be a big security hazard...?
Re: Cory Barlog Has 'No Idea' if God of War Ragnarok Will Come to PC
@Martsmall If they can afford to wait 4 years and then still top steam sales, there is no reason NOT to wait and allow their own console timed priority. What were pc players going to do? Turn down a great, well performing masterpiece of a game?
Re: Reaction: Can We Chill Out About Sony's Commitment to PS4, Please?
@BeerIsAwesome Yeah, going by that logic, Microsoft should stop older but more popular pc graphics cards from working in peoples PCs. Pure hypocrisy 😂😂😂
Re: Reaction: Can We Chill Out About Sony's Commitment to PS4, Please?
@KundaliniRising333 Yes, and the market and the world changed. There are more games on ps5 you can't play on PS4 than the Xbox equivelent. Honestly, like you never saw rain clouds just before you left the house and changed your mind about that t-shirt and went with a jacket. Absolute. Preposterous.
Re: Reaction: Can We Chill Out About Sony's Commitment to PS4, Please?
@UltimateOtaku91 Exactly. Ditch PS4 and kiss bye bye to about 40m psplus subscribers. People who expect them to do that while Microsoft has the resources they have just seem really illogical. It's like, they WANT Sony to dig its own grave while looking pro Sony. Hypocrisy.
Re: Reaction: Can We Chill Out About Sony's Commitment to PS4, Please?
@Juanalf In Microsoft's situation where Xbox one sold relatively poorly and had pretty much nothing going for it and expensive to make it makes sense to shut it down. In Sony's case where Spartacus is probably also gonna hit PS4 and is still selling it makes sense to keep it going.
Re: Sony Removing PS Now Subscription Cards in UK Ahead of Supposed PS Plus Overhaul
@__jamiie I bet all of those games that are cross platform made more money for the Devs than the gamepass version. All those games have sold very well on playstation.
Re: Reaction: Can We Chill Out About Sony's Commitment to PS4, Please?
@lolwhatno I just think it's an awesome coincidence that you remembered that specific quote and then applied it perfectly to the situation.
Re: Reaction: Can We Chill Out About Sony's Commitment to PS4, Please?
Haters:
"Stop supporting PS4!"
"Why you putting our games on pc?!"
"Why are you making your award winning games cost £10 more?!?"
"Why you not putting you new releases pretty much free to download?!"
Sony. Keep doing what your doing. Make awesome games. Make playstation studios a tour-de-force. Adapt to the conditions of the market as you see fit. Don't listen to people who are forever planning to do specific things then change their mind when new data arises.
Re: Reaction: Can We Chill Out About Sony's Commitment to PS4, Please?
If the Spartacus announcement introduces old gen emulation to PS4 that's gonna be awesome.
Re: Reaction: Can We Chill Out About Sony's Commitment to PS4, Please?
@lolwhatno Damn that was a good catch! 😂
Re: Sony Removing PS Now Subscription Cards in UK Ahead of Supposed PS Plus Overhaul
@Milktastrophe Yeah there is no benefit from streaming a game. It changes the quality on so many levels visually and responsivity sucks.
Re: Sony Removing PS Now Subscription Cards in UK Ahead of Supposed PS Plus Overhaul
@The_Moose Absolutely agree. They don't have to and shouldn't put their top tier games on the service. But if one of the subscriptions be like "Get 30% off first party new releases" that's gonna be helluva captivating.
Re: Sony Removing PS Now Subscription Cards in UK Ahead of Supposed PS Plus Overhaul
@The_Moose I don't see just copying gamepass, but if it WAS just a copy of gamepass then it would pretty much neutralise the benefit of the competition. Maybe it will go towards that, but Sony have a tremendous financial safety cushion with all the current profits and ps5 demand. They can afford to be on cruise control and gently change the gears up when supported by awesome software.
Re: Sony Removing PS Now Subscription Cards in UK Ahead of Supposed PS Plus Overhaul
@The_Moose What if Sony can more effectively compete with Gamepass PLUS keep their awesome game production at the top of the class?
Re: PS5 Hardware Has Second Biggest Month in UK on Back of 28% Bounce
@redcorpuscle Indeed, and many xbox users just now will find in time they also jump on ps5.
Re: PS5 Hardware Has Second Biggest Month in UK on Back of 28% Bounce
@Martsmall Im not insulting you.
Re: PS5 Hardware Has Second Biggest Month in UK on Back of 28% Bounce
@uptownsoul Yes. Xbox owners seem to think that a lot of people have no memories of pleasure from playstation brand and once they buy an s they will be forever converted 😂. It's not also like ps5 is going to become more and more attractive over time. 😂
Re: PS5 Hardware Has Second Biggest Month in UK on Back of 28% Bounce
@Martsmall You think the pendulum swings one way and just stops?
Re: PS5 Hardware Has Second Biggest Month in UK on Back of 28% Bounce
@MatthewJP It will be reported whatever looks more favourable.