Sony may see itself as the premium platform in the marketplace these days, but it’s up for debate how long dedicated fans will continue to pay for the privilege of playing on the PlayStation 5. While the Japanese giant’s main competitor Microsoft continues to offer outrageous value through its Xbox Game Pass program, the PlayStation maker is hiking prices hard. Today’s announcement of Ghost of Tsushima: Director’s Cut – an otherwise welcome and exciting reveal – is further evidence of that.
The game – already almost a year old – costs $69.99 on the next-gen console, an outrageous sum when you consider that the release has been available since 2020. Yes, it includes the new Iki Island expansion and a variety of other welcomed improvements, but this is effectively a Game of the Year Edition: a re-release that, historically, would retail for a lower price point not more. Sony, instead, is wringing every last cent out of its loyal fans.
The company’s commitment to its new next-gen pricing model means that it’s charging a $9.99 premium to upgrade the PS4 version of the Director’s Cut to the PS5 version, at a time when free PS4 to PS5 upgrades have become a standard. Heck, the platform holder allowed fans to upgrade their copies of Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales and Sackboy: A Big Adventure free of charge less than a year ago.
As far as we can tell, the major differences between Ghost of Tsushima’s PS5 and PS4 versions is the addition of Japanese lipsync, 3D audio, and DualSense support – mostly expected improvements for a next-gen upgrade at this stage. We’re sure there’ll be more under-the-hood work – a PlayStation Blog post refers to drastically improved load times, for example – but otherwise this sounds like fairly standard stuff for a PS4 to PS5 upgrade.
In the defence of Sucker Punch, it did add the excellent Ghost of Tsushima: Legends update for free, supported PS5 backwards compatibility excellently, and will add further content and improvements to all versions of the game for free – that shouldn’t go unnoticed. But with its competition offering such impressive value, PlayStation is beginning to look like the extremely expensive alternative. The platform holder would argue that you’re paying a premium for some of the best games ever made – it’s hard to disagree with that.
Yet, for as cliché and eye-rolling as this conclusion may read, for the players really does appear to be becoming for the payers.
How do you feel about Ghost of Tsushima’s pricey upgrade fee? What are your thoughts on PlayStation’s current pricing model? Cough up in the comments section below.
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Meh, I don't care. Gimme more Ghost.
They should probably have ate the PS5 features cost in this case even though they list the improvements which is cool. I can see a lot of complaining in regards to that. They messed up the reveal in a way imo by not explaining more how extensive the Iki dlc is going more into detail. Instead they showed little cuts, that wasn’t a good move and people will start to look at stuff like the “lip sync” stuff and start to complain about you charging them for that.
My take but i'm excited for this.
We literally just got a hike on the HST tax rate from 13% to 15% just today and Sony decides to announce this lol
Well played
Also the fact that JP lip-sync could ONLY be done on PS5 is goddamn hilarious to me. Truly this is only something the power of next-gen can handle unless you're Yakuza lol
Oh yes, we believe in generations! I think we are now seeing the meaning of this statement to its full extent. I believe that on Xbox, we would just pay for the DLC and get the best version via Smart Delivery (meaning not paying some extra for Series X version nor going through an ordeal).
Nevertheless, I'm still looking forward to revisiting Tsushima. I hope that these complications about upgrades (Tsushima, GreedFall, Final Fantasy VII Intergrade, etc.) backfire on Sony. I feel like they deserve that. They seem being overconfident about their market share.
A "reaction" to this but not about Sony's recent acquisitions?
I think what's really weird about this is how they didn't even mention a season pass or DLC for GoT owners on PS4. You have to "upgrade" to the Director's Cut version, which just seems to be in essence getting the "but it isn't" DLC.
Did they do this so they can technically say GoT never had paid DLC or a season pass? Now it's just a base game or a Director's Cut base game?
Or maybe it's letting them sell the base Director's Cut game on PS5 for $70 alongside the PS4 "base Director's Cut game" for $60? No plain old "base game" on PS5.
If anybody wants a silver lining - and nobody mentioned it in the first article:
You can look at it as getting the $70 PS5 version PLUS the $20 DLC for $70. So the DLC is free on PS5. I know nobody wants to look at it that way, but it is a legit way to look at it.
It’s not exactly a good look from the outside. So for casual players or parents etc, you’re paying £450 for a new console, and then paying more for the privilege of actually getting games on that console. If I was a parent who wasn’t informed about games then I probably would just keep the PS4 for my kids.
@AdamNovice Studio acquisitons don't just magically cancel out something as eye catching as "we're charging 10 extra dollars for you to own the same game on a new console because our upgrade path and way of explaining it is dumb"
I don't mind this specific case as far as the pricing, but Sony really needs to watch it with the nickel and diming they've been doing for a while now. Sony can only coast on high-quality exclusives for so long before these other severe disadvantages to a rival like Xbox start to bite them in the ass.
$mart Delivery
Like you guys said, should’ve been a $40 game of the year edition.
Give free mp and various new features: people sleep.
Give new expansion and next-gen features for money: OMG pls I no pay, I cry and rage.
No wonder gaming community is becoming the most entitled fanbase in the world...
Im getting the ps4 upgrade for it.for thec 20$.just to play the dlc expansion.i already own the game already on my ps4 pro.this should have been a separate purchases.word up son
@TheFrenchiestFry Oh how dare a company charges for extra content and features.
Honestly this should have been a victory lap for Sucker punch, and instead because of a messy and unclear announcement and a nickel and diming of next gen owners, THIS is what we get instead. Sony dropping the ball a lot of late.
$20 for an expansion, assuming it is decent, is absolutely fine.
The $10 PS5 tax and locking the most requested feature, Japanese lip-sync, behind it is not.
Well they got me in a corner there. If I tried a cheaper route by finding a disc for $30, paid for the expansion, then the PS5 upgrade, I'm still looking at $60 (plus tax). Well played.
It's simple. Stop caring about FOMO and buy games after release. If you dodge articles for the first two weeks you can stay mostly spoiler free. Then you benefit from all the post launch patches. You get the best version of the game for the lowest price.
@AdamNovice Yeah how dare they literally put the SAME exact director's cut game on PS4 and then charge again to play it on PS5 when they didn't even do that for Spider-Man or Sackboy
How dare they
Plus because of regional pricing, it'll be more like 20 bucks here in Canada just so people can upgrade from PS4 to the new console. I really don't get how you don't see the problem here
Ahh, THERE'S the melodrama I've come to expect from this site.
It will be on sale in 2 months
The £10 upgrade to ps5 is a kick in the teeth as it means Horizon, GoW and GT7 are all going to be £70 for ps5 (no thanks).
As much as i love Returnal, it hasn't changed my stance on £70 games so i'll be waiting on all of them. I will be getting the GOT director's cut upgrade though and i can't wait.
I'm fine with it, to be honest.
I said it once and I will say it again:
Ghost of Tsushima already had 3D Audio!
Maybe Sony means "improved 3D audio?"
@themightyant Absolutely nothing about this is messy OR unclear. You can upgrade your PS4 version for $20, and then to PS5 later for $10 more, or you can just jump right to PS5 for $30. This is not complicated.
Removed - unconstructive
Not great, but it could be worse (Spider-Man Remastered).
Removed - harassment
They packaged the expansion. You can't just expect it for free.
Story needs to clarify that it’s not really just $10 to upgrade to the PS5 version. You need to pay $20 first to upgrade to the DC. $30 for someone who isn’t currently interested in the new content yet is ridiculous.
@TheFrenchiestFry Mate give it a rest, those games launched day and date on both consoles so were budgeted for both both platforms. Like Spider-Man Remastered, this required a lot more work so it's fair for them to charge for it. Just because others give upgrades away for free doesn't mean it should be the standard.
Like I get charging money for DLC(has always been a thing) but to charge a full whooping $70 just because it is on the PS5 is ridiculous.
And the meaning of a directors cut is complete nonsense, you telling me this didn't make the original cut?
They were better of calling it the Game of the Year edition instead.
@AFCC could not agree more! Paying for brand new DLC and features is an investment I would gladly pay to a very talented studio. I don't work for free, neither should developers.
I swear, 2021 has to be one of the worst years for Sony in terms of optics that they've ever had... or at least since the 2011 PSN outage.
And it's only just halfway over at this point...
Honestly some on here just love melodrama and sadly Sammy is just adding fuel to that without any good reason.
@AdamNovice This game is literally launching same day on these platforms as well. This argument shouldn't even be used
And no I'm not talking about Remastered, I'm talking about Miles Morales. Upgrading from PS4 to PS5 was free of charge both there and Sackboy, but apparently Ghost of Tsushima is too cool for that. They can't even do as much as put the DLC seperately on PS Store for those who might not want to pay extra for the upgrade and are content with just playing the game as is
I believe it adds 4k resolution and haptic feedback as well. If they upgraded the base game for free and charged for the DLC i wouldnt see an issue. Locking that upgrade essentially behind a dlc purchase for existing owners feels off.
@get2sammyb In the EU it's difference of €20; €60 for the PS4 version and €80 for the PS5 version. That's $23.70! Makes the $9.99 look like a steal.
I'm not upgrading or buying the DLC despite enjoying the original game immensely.
That being said I do not agree with what Sony is doing. A free upgrade should be standard, not a re-release. Then just charge for the DLC. A much less messy approach.
In a time when they need good PR to convince people to buy their shiny new console all they're doing is potentially pushing people away.
And yet Jim said "we want players to transition to PS5 as soon as possible".
You want to be careful Jim because they might just transition to Xbox.
@art_of_the_kill Good job "optics" have no bearing in the real world cos Playstation is as strong as ever.
I don't think there's a single Sammy article where he doesn't mention Gamepass. It just makes me laugh how you laud its incredible value when you own NOTHING. At the end of the day you'll be paying hundreds of dollars for temporary games other than first party stuff, which you lose if you don't resub. I'll gladly wait for a sale rather than pay $15 to rent something for a few months.
There's a saying of a decision being "Penny smart and dollar foolish" (sorry European people don't know what Euro cents are called lol). Thats indicative of decisions like this. While you'll make a bit more money in the short term, these decisions can add up and hurt you for far much more in the long term.
I don't see why everybody is complaining. $30 upgrade if you already own the PS4 game. $70 for the full game/Plus Expansion on PS5 actually makes sense a bit for the PS5 because this game will look and run even better on PS5 with the enhancements Sucker Punch has done for it.
The $60 PS4 version even makes sense because it has the DLC in it which would probably be $20 so your paying $40 for Ghost and $20 for the DLC. The upgrade being $20 on their isn't bad either. Your basically paying for the DLC. The extra $10 for PS5(if and when you get one) is worth it.
I don't see a issue with this one bit. It's not a free upgrade but did you really expect it to be for Ghost especially with them doing DLC too? After they gave us the free Legends Mode. I didn't.
All's well and good.
@ShadowWolf712 But that is my point. How you have put it makes it simple and clear it really ISN'T that complicated but the manner of them delivering it IS messy and complicated.
Look both here and the PS Blog at how many people are erroneously saying "so it's $20 to upgrade to PS5" or similar (it's actually $30) it's been poorly communicated.
The $10 next gen tax is just a separate complaint but is part of the confusion as it's been communicated so poorly.
Ultimately what should have been a big celebration is now filled with negative news.
it still baffles me that we have to pay money for what is essentially to move a graphical slider from "medium" to "high" in a graphical settings. paid updates are a scam. I'm not a PC player but it doesnt take one to see what bs this is.
But other than that, hey I'm pretty excited for the expansion.
No big deal in my eyes. I'll be upgrading my PS4 version. Ill worry about the "PS5 Tax" When I finally get a PS5.
@Octane Pretty sure its €70 and €80, so a €10 difference
The price will drop in a few months, and it will still be the same game.
I'll get it at launch. Happily. But there's nothing wrong with waiting a while either.
@Octane IMO, the regional pricing difference is even more of a scam than the extra money for PS5 versions. 20 euro is nonsense.
@Voltan No, the PS4 game is 60, the PS5 version is 80, same as every other PS4 and PS5 game.
Really just feel bad for the consumer who is very confused on how these upgrade paths work. Could turn many people away
I'm cool with it...ya'll being cheap, and honestly this is how most people will react to it IRL. Or just wait for a sale.
If PushSquare mentions Gamepass in another Playstation article I'm gonna stop coming here. MS has a GAZILLION Dollars in the bank and is the richest tech company in the world. (Apple?) No one could afford to front the ballooning costs of AAA game development like that besides them and a handful of companies. To keep using it as some knock against Sony and Nintendo is not only insulting to the devs but an illogical comparison as the parent companies of Sony/Nintendo can't afford it - period. I know the fine folks at Pushsquare don't think MS expanded GamePass and acquired a publisher with the profits they made from the Xbox division right?
They already gave a free update to us ps5 players plus the awesome legends mode so I’m not going to cry about a ten dollar upgrade when they did work that should be compensated. If you don’t want to pay it don’t pay it just get the expansion for 20 and call it a day.
@Omnistalgic gamepass gamepass gamepass!
It's £30/$30 if you have standard version of ghosts on ps4 to upgrade to ps5 directors cut you're not paying £70/$70 again thats if you don't own previous game. Depends how big dlc is to justify if that's worth it or not.
The reason sony add the upgrade fee is to stop people purposely buying the ps4 version just to get the ps5 cheaper even if they don't even own a ps4
They probably should have kept this priced at $60 for new players regardless of PS4 or PS5 but that's kind of the only issue I see with it besides just how messy all the different prices depending on your situation is.
For me personally the $30 is primarily for the expansion with the rest of the game getting fully updated with the dual sense features and whatnot
as a bonus. Sucker Punch has never let me down so I doubt they will here either.
Though I will agree the lip-sync being PS5 only is very silly! 😂
@Octane This isn't the Director's Cut but I'm not sure where you're getting the "60 as every other PS4 game" thing from... they're 69.99
@Voltan I meant the physical version. I keep forgetting there's a €10 difference between those two as well...
Most I these next gen upgrades are just pointless really anyway. I still haven't played it but will probably just get the basic PS4 version anyway + Gamepass WILL go up in price once everyone is on it anyway Can't anyone see that coming?!?! Hmm.
It should have been a free upgrade. Then the expansion costs $20 or whatever. That makes way more sense to me. This upgrade process just comes off as Sony milking wallets.
Sony seem to be doing their best to lose market share and player sentiment this gen.
I am kind of confused on the pricing models. I own the original for PS4 (although I bought it on PS5). How much will it cost for an upgrade?
@Snoober Upgrading directly from the PS4 game to the Director's Cut on PS5 is $30.
@4kgk2 lol
I mean there is an expansion. If we can demand expansions for free now ok, I don't mind 💁♂️
But let's talk about Ganepass, of course 🙅♂️🙅♀️
It's crazy...
@Omnistalgic dude I own and love my PS5, but this is ridiculous. You're advocating for a company that is asking their fans to fork out money to upgrade a game they already bought lol. You don't even have to mention Game Pass: Smart Delivery on Xbox would solve this issue. Sony is basically nickel and diming their fans to death.
I think its important to wait and see how expansive the Iki island content is. Lets be honest, THAT is the reason for buying into the Director's cut - and i'll be upgrading my PS4 edition for the £30 quid or whatever it ends up being.
That is a steep upgrade and i can't believe that the extra content will be anything less then 10 to 15 hours for the price, regardless of the PS5 upgrades and enhancements that come with it. I think its way too early for people to start calling for Sony to commit seppuku over this.
Im not sure i'm seeing the problem here. The upgrades sound pretty meaty, and justify payment, unlike some 'free upgrades' i've played 😕 i loved Yakuza Like a Dragon, but the PS5 version came with save transfer issues, no haptic feedback etc - whereas this sounds like Sucker Punch have had to overhaul big chunks of code to implement enhanced features for PS5.
I'll be upgrading at launch regardless, and can't wait to experience it. 2 days before my birthday too. Couldn't think of a better game to celebrate with
This is an expansion as well. Those cost money. Why does everyone expect everything for free?
I'm not exactly happy about it, but part of me is thinking why should Sony devalue some of there timeless games, just because it's been out longer than 3-6 months. I'd understand why they would perhaps want to take the position "this is a PlayStation studios game which comes with a expected level of quality", just like Nintendo does. If I get a switch today, should I find breath of the wild in a bargain bin, between a bunch of ubi and ea junk? I can find Uncharted and Bloodborne there, and while I like everyone else love a good deal, it does make my gamer heart bleed just a little bit.
Inexcusable. Sony's greed just keeps pushing me further away from PlayStation tbh.
So PS5 price for the PS5 game snd PS4 price for the PS4 game. Or pay some extra if you are upgrading and either do or do not want the expansion? All seems quite normal for me. I guess they could have given a non expansion next gen upgrade for free, but I’ll give them a pass due to the previous free expansion.
I mean, do you guys only see Sony doing this? Because I swear I’ve seen (decades) old games on other consoles release for the same price they were at original release. Not excusing this but you all are acting as if this is a Sony thing. It’s not.
@Snoober I'm not advocating anything, I'm saying this isn't any real level of money to be getting fussed about, and it's GREAT value for the millions of people who didn't buy the game. Not everyone plays games as soon as they release, and now you have an improved experience on PS5 with new features and content. So you saying they are nickel and dimel fans are only speaking to players who already purchased, not the massive user base as a whole. Only thing I'm advocating is people votes with their wallets and stop acting like this business isn't expensive and we don't spend $15 on a random Tuesday at Chick-fil-a
And I'm sorry this isn't just an upgrade, it's an entire new island to explore? how much cheaper should it have been for there not to be outrage? $10?? like seriously lol
Oh stop shoving Xbox game pass down people's throats! I don't want it!
It is NOT good value to not own your games.
This is about Sony and PS5. Nothing to do with Xbox.
At this point just move on. I'm so tired of this constant desire to string out previous releases. It really doesn't affect me really cause I got my fill and don't want any more, but it's a shame to see them carry on dragging out every release with updates and extra bits and pieces. Meh, I'm getting old I think, I like a complete experience that starts and ends with the possibility of another complete sequel at some point that evolves and improves the original down the line.
Ghosts of Tsushima was good, but the last thing I want is just more of the same. That was the fundamental problem with the original release.
@Omnistalgic Okay then, in that logic, it still should have been free to upgrade with the expansion for PS5. Look at Gears 5: MS gave it a next gen upgrade that would run in 120 fps (even faster than GoS) and a new expansion, all for free if you owned it. There's no excuses here.
You guys miss Shawn Layden yet?
@Old-Red Not trolling i promise, but for all we know the expansion could mix things up cpmpletely. Its too early to judge surely. I bet Sucker Punch will be trying out new things that they can apply to an inevitable sequel. The way its been described draws parallels with Horizon Zero Dawn: The Frozen Wilds to me, and that was the best bit of added content ive played!
@Snoober no one is trying to make an excuse. There's no right or wrong here and you're trying to frame it as one. I don't give a crap about how much Gears upgrade path costs because its pricing strategy is irrelevant. There's no generalized publisher agreement on what upgrades should costs. There's no objective way of looking at value. There's no limit to what a publisher/developer can claim their content is worth. Value is subjective, you vote with your wallet. That's all there is to it. This is one of the last examples we should be bringing out the moral police for. If you don't see the value, don't buy it...
I have GoT on PS4 and now it costs me 530 euro to upgrade to PS5 (game + PS5)!!! So unfair from Sony!
Sony love a cash grab, but I guess they know their business well enough to do it.
Also Doom External PS5 upgrade you can’t bring your PS4 safe over, you have to start again.
£70 games
Sony are the kings at the moment, but they not being that consumer friendly.
Perhaps they are turning into their TV division slowly, more expensive with no real advantage over other top end competition models with less features and HDMI 2.1 sockets. No ALLM, No VRR.
I’m beginning not to like Sony, they have already lost my new TV sale with this year’s 2021 models.
Typical Sony.
Also, I find it funny how people say "Shuttup telling about game pass!!!" You guys sure never stop talking about the exclusives PS has over Xbox. Turn about is fair play. Literally Sony is basically advertising the Series X with these anti consumer moves, and anyone who defends them are the same ones who'd be first on the bandwagon to bash Microsoft had they done it.
playstation is becoming more and more an elitist product and an expensive hobby.
£10 extra just to use the hardware you've already bought is not a good thing. Far too many fans defending this and that's exactly why Sony are doing this because they know they can do.
Miles Morales was a free upgrade
Metro Exodus went above and beyond with it's ray tracing as free upgrade
Resident Evil Village, free upgrade
Borderlands 3, free upgrade, Doom Eternal just did it plus many more.
What if they'd have done this with PS4 Pro? We're not talking bringing a game to a completely different platform, it's playable on that hardware and they will already be making their money (and quite rightly) with the expansion. If it were EA or Activision doing this I suspect many of the responses would be different
Perhaps they are turning into their TV division slowly, more expensive with no real advantage over other top end competition models with less features and HDMI 2.1 sockets. No ALLM, No VRR.
I’m beginning not to like Sony, they have already lost my new TV sale with this year’s 2021 models.
Good article and it's about time we, as loyal paying fans, start being more vocal and take the blinkers off, that we aren't happy with these money grabbing practices from Sony.
How can your slogan be "For the Players" when it's anything but that?
Imagine if the recent Doom Eternal upgrade charged you $30 to upgrade because they'd tied the DLC to the base game and called it a 'Directors Cut'? We'd be raging!
@Snoober I see this hypocrisy all the time, Twitter is full of those criticising Gamepass for just renting games all whilst celebrating the latest PS Plus games
All come over to the side that gives you some love at least. I have changed this generation to Xbox with series x and GPU and now the games are starting come FH5, HALO etc and other game save advantages etc. I think I’ve made the right choice.
Did you know if my series x is my home console all my family get cloud saves.
PS4 and PS5 only the owner of the account gets the cloud saves. Tight or what.
@carlos82 you and me both, dude. Hey, nice profile gif by the way
Shame you cant buy the expansion separately like the frozen wilds thing for horizon or a more direct comparison , Infamous :First Light done by the same studio behind Ghost of Tsushima.
I’ve already been pretty hard on Sony for what was a £20 increase here for their exclusive titles, now they want £10 /30 to upgrade from a game we already own HAHAHAHA.
Absolute disgrace, Sony ain’t the same company they used to be and still they have fans blindly defending them over anything they do on sites like this.
I do somewhat understand that the Game Pass comparisons get tedious, but the industry simply doesn't exist in a vacuum.
Regardless of whether Microsoft has deeper pockets or not, you can't argue with the value proposition being made elsewhere. And I think the big issue for Sony is that its main competitor is offering such great value while it tries to move prices in the opposite direction.
None of this means PlayStation is dead or any overreaction like that, but it is still worth acknowledging and the company's going to have to do better or it will eventually burn away goodwill.
@ShogunRok Not gonna lie, I'm paying it, but it is a scummy thing. Me getting the $20 director's cut should be more than enough. the greed around some of these upgrades is getting out of control. I might pay this time, but stuff like FF7R Plus version not upgrading ruined FF7's value preposition. I'm only willing to play the next gen version, but all you can sell is the upgrade, for $70......... Yeah, no.
I just happen to be nutcase that got the collector's edition of Ghost of Tsushima and so am too committed to the game to skip out.
@Dezzy70 What? To be fair, they haven't proven one of those games will be good. Also, everyone on a console with a main account with Plus gets Plus privilege's. What on earth are you talking about? Some of this stuff is scummy and MS has done better with some conveniences, but that's all they've proven so far.
A small price to pay for Japanese lipsync.
@GamingFan4Lyf the sony blog post said, "enhancements to 3D audio* on PS5".
PlayStation does not have daddy’s wallet to fall back on. Sony has earned their place in the industry and Xbox has purchased their way in. They are a major disruptor for sure but are locked on a business model I don’t care for. I’m already sick of the subscription model of set and forget. I waste countless dollars on platforms I forget that I’ve signed up for. This is exactly what M’Soft is hoping for too. I believe they are on two different tracks now playing a totally different game.
It’s hilarious that these two corps get lumped together when Sony and Nintendo share a more similar model. For some reason, games media gives Nintendo a pass and ***** all over Sony. These companies can’t afford the losses that Xbox can.
It would be nice to see the games media do a deep dive to analyze the realities of these companies and their differences of instead of constantly promoting Gamepass as this incredible deal. It might be some day but as of now, no thanks.
At least you'll get a new trophy list for the extra payment.
I'll probably get the upgrade at some point in the future..i own the ps4 disc so i'm not too fussed about the upgrade price to the ps5 edition seeing as it includes the new expansion..we have all bought add ons,expansions etc before so having to pay isn't really that much of a biggie if its a game worthy of it and to me ghost most definately is..this isn't a new thing as i bought dark souls (ps3) then shelled out for dark souls remastered (ps4) so things like this should be expected by now..game pass being mentioned again ffs 🙄..
I am glad I have not opened the copy i got from Amazon, time to return it if I still have time....
@Omnistalgic Absolutely agree mate. Microsoft is about 20 times the size of Sony and cannot spend it's money faster than it recoups it. What we are seeing here is Microsoft attempting to grab a major influencial role in every piece of interactive media on the planet. They just want all competitors out of the market. They are not interested in competition. Having choice in this world is a mark of freedom. Sony who want to spend lots to make exceptionally well made games and sell them to make money and repeat are not the bad guys in this dynamic. Not in the slightest. Microsoft pretending Sony are the Goliath's is an absolute perversion and people celebrating Microsoft coming out on top in this "fair" struggle are unconsciously bringing in a world without choice and hurting humanity beyond words. This is totalitarianism in the making.
@Jaz007
The owner will get the cloud save privileges
With plus, but your other logged in family accounts do not get the cloud save privileges.
Yes they get to play your games and game saves to console but not their own account cloud saves.
Try it if you don’t believe me.
@yellowdog05 MS spent 7.5bn on a company that has nothing to show for a considerable time yet recouped that money in about 2 months. Microsoft don't make losses. Not at this stage of development. Ther is no fun, no excitement, no romance in watching a Goliath stomp David into the ground. Not for most of us anyways.
The update all together is $30 if you have the game. What's the issue?
Same Price on PS4 and PS5. I don't see why everybody is complaining about $30 when your getting a ton of content for a $30 upgrade, especially on the PS5.
@Jaz007
We will have to wait for reviews etc to see if the games are good. But we know FH5 is looking a sure fire review hit etc.
Sony just annoy me lately, more with their tv division attitude, like I said they lost my tv sale this year. Also over the years the once mighty top of the pile tv brand is now third below, Samsung and LG due to lack of current technology features or being tight with the consumer.
@get2sammyb I do somewhat understand that the Game Pass comparisons get tedious, but the industry simply doesn't exist in a vacuum.
Honestly, although I dont defend Sony on this, I dont think this specific thing is an apples to apples comparison if you bring in Game Pass. Lets compare Game Pass to PS Now, I say.
Better competition comparisons are the fact that MS would had allowed anyone that bought a digital copy to get a refund after this announcement, but even more important: they would just given the upgrade for free just as they did with the Gears 5's upgrade.
I fell for that Ghost sale, but I did so on a physical copy. Considering right now if I return it and just wait for the game to be on sale for PS5 next year. Honestly, at this point if I keep the game and play it on PS4, that is me just giving up on Sony and giving up on ever buying a PS5.
Good thing I haven't bought it. I'll wait for a sale for the PS5 version.
187,479 thumbs up and 442 thumbs down as of this comment. Math isn't that hard, people are excited about this and a ton of work went into it. I have no issues paying for this:)
I really can't think of any other hobby where people fret and moan so much over relatively small amounts of money.
Especially when within 2 years most things have depreciated to peanuts and their functionality remains the same, if not improved (patches etc).
This is the most convoluted and absurd upgrade options ever seen. There is no way I will pay for this, especially considering the game was already enhanced on the ps5 and I play it then. Just to vote with my wallet alone and say hell no is reason enough to shun this garbage.
This will become the norm if we condone it. I'm literally baffled that they would try and cash in on a game's hype a year later with full pricing, unless the expansion is at least half or more the content of the original, this is robbery. Sony is really tanking this console release on so many fronts. That trailer certainly made the new content look like copy and past environments with new armor. Nope, not happening.
@KayOL77 you’re right, M’soft doesn’t takes losses overall but Xbox certainly has and still does. PlayStation can’t afford to take those losses as it would kill Sony. Sony will always have to be more strategic with money. That will never be a problem for Xbox. The media treats these two Corps as equals but they are not even close.
If you own the base game, the expansion is $20 on PS4 and $30 on PS5.
Not sure what's messy about that. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
They're squeezing an extra $10 out of us PS5 owners for the Japanese VO lip sync and the DualSense features. Still not an unreasonable price for an expansion in my opinion.
It's up to folks to decide if it's worth it. Is there anything here that makes me want to get my pitchforks and torches? No. But yeah, let's bring Game Pass into this one too because... reasons.
What irks me is that I already paid $60 for the PS4 version. Now I have to pay $30 to get the PS5 upgrade and extra contest. So, I'm paying $90 for everything, where people who buy it for the first time on PS5 only have to pay $70? No thanks.
Is it already for sale?
@cherryghost41 Did you notice the Ubisoft games €90 for a gold edition its the same thing.
@awp69 yea I was a bit confused too, so I have it on PS4 so I will need to fork out 30 for the dlc and ps5 version yes? From what I read it sounded like an extra 9.99 to upgrade. Confused hahaha
You do realize it includes a full on expansion to boot, not just extra enhancements? Hell, a beefy expansion for $20 is NOT expensive. Don't see what the outcry is about.
@slampog 20 for an expansion is fine, 10 extra for a PS5 upgrade is not
@Flaming_Kaiser No, I honestly don't play many Ubisoft games. Even still this is kind of a different situation. When you pay $90 for a gold or premium edition of a game, you are assumedly getting more content than the base $60 or $70 version. In this situation, I will have paid $90 for the same amount of content as someone who is buying the game for thirst time for $70.
Could they not have just marketed this as a $30 dlc with a free ps5 upgrade? I am not worried about the cost of these upgrades so much as the potential laziness this could introduce to Sony development ecosystem. We have death stranding director's cut. Now this as well. The issues people have with this is far more complex than "I don't want to pay more". Also Nintendo does not have a new shiny console so so it's fair to not to include Nintendo in this upgrade business discussion. Hopefully PlayStation continues with the excellent run of first party games but if I start seeing more of these paid upgrades than new proper ps5 games, then I'm going to get suspicious.
I don't normally get all het up about stuff like this, you either buy it or you don't. talk with your wallet. But I want this so much. I loved GOT. Bought it Day one. So once again, Day one supporters, the actual peopel who made the game a 'success' in the first place getting hosed. All in if I want to get Director's Cut on PS5 I'll end up paying £90 for the whole shebang. I could go on and on but doubtless every previous comment is saying the same thing. I'm not buying this. I have a PS5 and I have yet to buy a PS5 game for it. I'm not paying £70 for a game. I'll pickup launch titles physical cheaper in a bit.
I suppose they had to recoup the cost of sending out free red and black controllers to every streamer in the world somehow. Just disappointed this was they way.
A lot of people missing the point. The concern isn’t there being a charge, it’s that paying the same as a brand new game for a game that’s definitely not that without a marked change to the entire game (Mass Effect Legendary Edition - even this came with three games) is an absolute joke.
Shame on Sony.
Sony im sorry you should have just charged for the DLC upgrades should be free.
If the directors cut is a code and not on the disc your really are taking the ....
this type of upgrading will stop me buying your games on release as i know im wasting my money and would be better off waiting a year for the directors cut and buying that
wont buy horizon 2 now on release will wait for the directors cut
wont buy god of war ragnarok on release will wait for directors cut
The message from Sony is very clear: if you want another PS4 gen with all the best exclusives and partnerships, it's gonna be at a very premium price.
The more they push, the more I'll think twice about pre ordering and what not, but I've seen the other side with how low quality game pass games can be (let's be real, that's what this article is about), so I'll take the good with the bad.
Very Simple for me: keep delivering AAA-Single Player-Exclusives and we're good.
@Flaming_Kaiser Ubisoft "Gold" games are about 90 at launch. Eventually, months later, they lower the price, they don't effectively increase it, and next-gen upgrades for all their games have been, so far, free even if you don't buy the season pass content.
paying for dlc is fine
paying for a game of the year edition is fine
paying for an upgrade isnt fine
People here always saying how there is no reason to upgrade to a PS5 for 1 or 2 2 years because everything is coming to PS4 now all have a PS5 (and want to play a crossgen DLC) 😅
I have a PS5 and getting the $20 one for my PS4 copy. It has 60fps + fast loading via GameBoost anyway.
Improved load times? I don't think they can get any faster tbf!
This is akin to Sony thinking they can charge $600 for a PS3 and get away with it. The difference now is that the corporations have managed to trick consumers into thinking that we should be grateful for whatever they offer us and that we should be happy to pay a premium on an old game.
I blame everyone picking up games for $70. I just keep seeing consumers throw away their power for instant gratification.
Why should i care if Microsoft has deeper pockets than Sony? It’s up to Sony to find a solution to that, and if their solution is to pass the cost to me, then it’s no good. Why would a consumer support these anti consumer practices i can not understand.
For comparison , Control ultimate edition for PS5 launched at 39.99 eu.
Sonys pricing strategy is really the biggest gripe I have with them at the moment. In Sweden, instead of the 16%ish increase that was made in Euro and Dollars, in SEK we got almost 30% increase for Sonys 1st party titles.
I bet the dlc is download code as well so you have to buy a new copy
If you haven't played this game I don't see the issue. If you have then obviously don't buy it, you're only making it an issue for yourself if you choose to double dip.
It's amazing that people that put in time to make something are expecting to get paid for it. If anyone disagrees Don't buy it!
I was waiting to get the PS4 version for cheap. I might pick it up the Director's Cut for PS5 in a few years at this point I guess.
Yeah, Sony's definitely in arrogant SONY/PS3 or MS/Xbox One mode. They switch like bloody clockwork, don't they?
I'll get the PS4 version of GOT: Gold Edition (on sale) as I never played it at launch, but once I've cleared my PS4 backlog, I'm going to be very much on the fence about whether I get an XSX + GamePass or a PS5. I'll have to see where both companies are in a year or so's time. £70 a game vs £10-ish a month for unlimited games is bloody ridiculous. If MS get Game Pass streaming working on my crummy laptop, I won't need any consoles at all! Sony need to think things through.
I guess this can be skipped by most PS players so it's finnnne as for me who hasn't played it yet or any others I'll buy it..considering also all added content too
Sony quickly becoming the Neo Geo of this gen.
@KayOL77 You speak the truth, but honestly, most would label this fear-mongering despite all the evidence. MS has made a play in every single tech industry, the proof is right there. (Bing, Zoom, Nokia, Mixer, Surface, Windows Phone, etc...) I can't believe the press is championing the richest company ever as the underdog lol. This is not true competition, Xbox lost 2 out of 3 gens now and the people chose Sony and Nintendo. Normal competition would remove them and make way for someone else. What happens when Xbox loses? Phil gets the parent company to buy an entire publisher! Yaaaay let's celebrate the underdog giving Sony competition! This is not to say I won't enjoy Xbox when Starfield or something else amazing comes but let's not kid ourselves, that would have been a game available on Xbox/PS/PC if not for MS competitive goals. But these things have a way of working themselves out...I don't think they will ever get a grasp of this industry like they do in the workforce. Gaming is too creative IMHO and mobile, which MS doesn't have a majority stake is almost half the gaming industry.
@The_New_Butler Thank you for being a voice of reason...Value is all up to our own prerogative at the end of the day. I have a little bit of both I will buy some classic Nintendo stuff at full price and some of Sony's must-play experiences.
This issue doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the PS3 and Vita store closures. I think $20 for the DLC is fine and the $10 for a PS5 upgrade sucks, but doesn’t really get me to heated. I payed $46 for Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Tsushima together during an Amazon sale, so basically with the DLC and PS5 upgrade I’ll only have spent around $52.50 on it in total.
Also, people act like they’re being forced to pay $30 for the DLC and PS5 upgrade, but at the end of the day, that’s a choice to buy it at full price right at release. You always have the option to wait for a sale or decrease in price. Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to buy luxury products at full price.
I swear, patience is becoming an extinct human trait.
What's so strange here is that they have burned so much goodwill with this. They did 60 fps 4k patch for ps5 released the legends mode without any charge. It was almost an exemplar for treating your fans right. That's all disappeared now. I wonder how much better the ps5 version of this looks as what I'm playing right now is stunning 😍. As for dlc, unless they add something new game mechanics wise, I'll pass for now. The game is very one note already
$10 for upgrade isn't a big deal for me since I played ghost more than 70 hours lol, this game earn it.
Edit: Wait, it's actually cost $30 to upgrade from ps4 ghost to director cut ps5. I think I'll wait for discount since that's a bit much. Unless that iki expansion is really good.
@get2sammyb its not about PS being dead, but they literally cannot respond in kind to Gamepass without a huge amount of risk. The parent companies are worlds apart, MS can afford to pay all of their employees for a century if they stopped making money today. So when media perpetuate this notion that its just a "decision" Sony could easily make (funny how Nintendo is NEVER in this debate) it adds validity to Sony being greedy, selfish, and not caring about its fans. "Why aren't they being awesome like MS and giving us Playstation pass?" They cannot afford to, not on the scale MS can. And we just keep ignoring that fact? It's not about being in a vacuum, this is MS strategy, it's a subscription model where they likely want 100+ million subs for it to sustain itself. They can afford for it to be a loss leader for decades. Nintendo doing that would go out of business if they didn't gain 150M subs. MS doesn't bat an eye lol...
@Voltan you, sir, are the problem.
I see some good points in these comments, but here's the simple fact: Sony doesn't care about anything anybody here posts. They care about sales figures.
If you gripe that $20 is too much for DLC (and that's basically what this is if you're buying the upgrade), and that $10 is too much a premium for the PS5 version, BUT you buy it anyway day 1, then the message Sony gets is that this pricing plan was brilliant and we're all sheep waiting to get fleeced (I use those terms assuming you're griping about the price, remember).
If you want Sony to backtrack from this, then don't (just) waste your time posting comments - more importantly, don't buy it Day One. Wait for the inevitable sale. There's a chance it will be cheaper before the end of the year, maybe right after Christmas - and a better chance it will be cheaper next year. Wait. THAT will tell Sony you want lower prices much better than complaining will.
If you can't wait and buy it anyway, then you have just confirmed that Sony's price is right.
@AhmadSumadi Nintendo Does Stuff Like This All the Time And For Less And Get's Away With It At Least With Sony The Price Will Go Down With Big N Your Stuck With The Same Price For Life.
@Omnistalgic Wonderfully said.
I get that Gamepass is a great deal, hell, I subscribe to it, but it's REALLY annoying how people including authors at this site antagonize other companies just because they want to - gasp - charge for stuff like it's some sort of crime.
This was a badly written and conceived article in my opinion.
What a stupid angry piece. If you already have the game then £10 to buy the new island expansion is perfectly reasonable. If you dont have it already and want to buy the ps5 version with the extra island its same price as Ratchet, not cheap, but premium price for a premium product. I thought the only unhinged dramitists were in the comment section, but it appears that they write the articles here at push square.
Imagine paying more for extra content, the horror!
so if i want this expansion i have to buy a whole new version of the game? i'll happily play the ps4 version i just want the new content
as for load times......... as i recall the load times were shockingly fast on this game already even the ps4 version jsut running on the ps5 is likely to be all but instant
@Werewius Technically Final Fantasy 7 Remake is a free upgrade unless you never actually bought it (PS Plus version not included of course). Maybe you are referring to that, or maybe the DLC costing $15, I don't know. I don't have a problem with any of that, aside from maybe the DLC being a bit overpriced.
Now, this, it's unfortunate timing when they are already looking bad in the media of late. I'm not saying it's good or awful, as I don't really care to get into a heated debate about all of the negativety that has been out there in the media of late about Sony. $30 to upgrade it with the DLC included is high. Yes, most other games offer the upgrades for free, as this one should be as well (the actual upgrade, not the DLC). Still, if the DLC ends up being remotely on the same level as the original game, I'll still get it. Call me an enabler or a whatever, but honestly all I care about at this point is enjoying my PS5 (and Series X). All of these recent debates aren't for me. If I don't think something is worth it, I'll skip it, but I'm still looking forward to this and will pay if it turns out to be good. I wouldn't mind revisiting the game just like I will be shortly with Final Fantasy 7 Remake.
@Scoobijohn "If you already own Ghost of Tsushima on PS4 and wish to upgrade to the PS4 version of Director's Cut, it will cost $20. If you want to upgrade a standard PS4 version of Ghost of Tsushima to the Director's Cut on PS5, it will cost $30. If you buy the PS4 version of Director's Cut and then wish to grab the PS5 version, it'll set you back $10."
Im starting to smell greed and feel particularly stung as a PS5 owner. Really interested in the new island (Ikishima) expansion, but I already played the sh1t out of the original campaign on PS4, they had my money day 1 preorder on original release. Now if I want in on the expansion I need to pay another £70.....ey? (I have traded in Ghost PS4 BTW and to buy it back cheapest I found was £34.99, so you might as well shell out the £70 for the Dcut at that point, e.g. 34.99 plus £30 to upgrade on PS5). This feels harsh and as a massive Playstation fan right here, starting to feel a little screwed....I have 3 kids not bottomless cash pockets! 🤪
@RobN that was my plan, await the price drop to get in on that tasty new island, well said. No denying though, Sony are becoming greedier...as much as I love the platform!
@The_New_Butler totally agree very inciteful. Sony believe Playstation to have achieved god tier ahem* I mean Nintendo tier status with their fan base and whats that fan base, oh yes a cool 100million install base on PS4....And as much as Im having a moan about this Ghost of T situation, I bought both Returnal and Demon's Souls day 1 at £70 (dont regret either), so any moaning I've just had you're right is somewhat redundant. Lets be honest theres just something about PS IP's they're just special...I mean look at Horizon FW! I will be a £70 day 1ner again, so whos laughing in the end...I think they've got me 🙈
I’m thinking back to Sony’s, ‘This is how you share your games on PS4’ diss video in the early days of the PS4 launch... and thinking how this is the exact opposite of that. They got so much right back then but this is far too complex (and greedier) than it needs to be. It’s a real shame.
Sony being anti-consumer and allowing Microsoft to embarrass them on a monthly basis since launch. In other news, water is still wet.
@AdamNovice Imagine being a company fanboy in 2021, cringe.
At this point Im starting to look like Im spamming the forum, but whilst we're on the gamepass front...I decided (as a PS5 owner) to see if I truly was missing out. So I perused through the entire gamepass library and the PSNow library. I did not see anything in the current GP library that made me go WOW I must sell my PS5 and go get a Series X, there is the 'promise' of divisive future titles such as Starfield, Fallout etc but they dont exist. And is everyone just ignoring the fact we still havent seen ANY gameplay of Starfield, despite apparently having been in development for years! PS Now and Gamepass libraries are similar in age quality etc, with yes perhaps a more regular refresh of the GP library/'promise' of more day 1 AAA drops. I find it strange all the hype its getting, if GP was a sub service with day 1 drops of IP's akin to Playstation Studios, yes it would be game over I'd own an xbox, I honestly dont think that day will EVER come, the creative pipeline is slow and waaaaaayyyyyy behind the Sony curve at team green.
I don't mind paying to upgrade from the PS4 version to the PS5 since it has an expansion and improvements. I don't expect them to have to do any of that for free. It's just crazy that if you don't own it already, you'll have to pay $70 straight up.
I bought the game on sale so I'll be in it at between $55-60 or something all together but you'd think Sony would have done it like Sack boy, $50 and $60. That $10 means more to some people than Sony realizes.
Then again Nintendo can repackage Wii U games and sell 20+ million copies at $60. What tf do I know.
If you break it down
£40 for the game
£20 for DLC
£10 for PS5 upgrade
I think the sour point is the upgrade fee? Or the overall price? And the competition? I think there is a bit of denial here that Sony is consumer friendly.
Did people think they were going to get all this for free?
@Jslade Xbox owners do. It's called PlayAnywhere. Buy, say, Middle Earth: Shadow of War, you can play it on Xbox One, Xbox Series X and Windows 10 (and share all save files among all devices.)
All first party titles have it, minimum.
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/xbox-play-anywhere
Sony COULD do the same thing, you know.
the more you complain about this, the more our future looks like fortnites battlefields and call of dutys; lower budget projects with repeat editions every year.
Complaining about paying money for a game that took these guys years and so much effort and talent and focus to make, is NOT going to make them say “hey, lets spend more money on these, but give them away for free”
all they are going to do is try to find ways to spend LESS money on projects and generate more money. this is business. We live in a capitalist society its how it will always be.
No one is going to spend more, to make less.its just logic.
Microsoft are a ginormous company that is now pulling money from its other avenues and investing it into its gaming projects. They are constantly in the red with stuff like game pass. They only do it because it for PR, and they are trying to run the industry, and know people will make articles like this, its doesnt matter if they kill the industry in the end, they aren’t thinking about that. If microsoft didnt have incredibly strong competition, game pass would not be 14.99 and as strong as it is.
The future with all this complaining and spoiledness just looks like a future of Games-as-a-service and Fortnite microtransations, or lower budget projects to me. Im sure no smaller companies want to risk anything on a ghost of tsushima or last of us 2 scale project with all the complaning, at this point. i wouldnt for godsake. Imagine making a large scale game as a small company like bend did with days gone, and having ppl complaing about having to pay for a dlc that they worked day and nite on when Sony doesnt even want to even give financial support for them to make a sequel for the game because it didnt sell enough. jesus. Frustrating life for these developers man.
@Voltan fully agree man
Well, I didn't buy the excellent Demon's Souls yet due to its price, Ghost won't be different, I'll wait a few years. It's way too high for entertainment products.
Kinda sucks but 20 dollars for the expansion isn't bad. Atleast there is an upgrade path. Can't say the same about Persona 5 Royal.
That's cool, when I pick up a used PS5 in a year or two I bet I'll be able to get either a disc edition or digital copy for maybe £20 on sale, all I have to do is wait. There's so many great titles dropping on Series X in that time it'll fly by.
@The_New_Butler If I was coming across as defending the price, It wasn't my intention. I'm not debating whether this is a good deal or not, my only point is that's it's subjective as value itself is subjective. For me, I never played Ghost, so this is my first time purchasing and I'm getting a lot of content. For others, this might be too steep. I have no problem with folks not ok with the price, I'm just rebutting the outrage of Sony charging what they want for their software.
Don't get what the fuss is all about tbh it's a already amazing game and they want to make it better and add loads of new stuff and everyone is complaining?! This is ghost of tsushima we're talking about here! I also don't get what the fuss is about game pass.... You don't own the games! As soon as your stop paying your monthly payment you can't play! Id take a full price game that I actually own over that any day!
@JonahFalcon I'm well aware of that Xbox feature. This isn't like that at all, is it? This is the game updated with all new DLC and
bunch of other new content. Why would you expect that to be free?
@Residentsteven If they renamed it Push X they could cover both Xbox and PS as both have X buttons on the right don't they.
@zekepliskin Xbox has an "x". Playstation has a cross.
@Floki They're basically interchangeable; try not to be such a pedant, get a sense of humour etc 😂
i was going to pay 40$ for a stand alone ghost expansion , so 30$ for an upgrade/expansion sounds even better to me.
What's so hard or difficult about this? You have options. Me? I'm getting the the PS5 version even though I already have the PS4 version. Why? Because I can.
Really regret getting the PS5 now. I picked the wrong horse
@nessisonett if I was a parent (which I am, by the way) I would buy the Xbox+gamepass combo. The value is insane. Playstation is more Paystation than ever. And I love(d) my PS2, PS4 and PS5... But this is getting out of control.
@snowfreak2574 Sony charging $70 when gamepass is around is a conversation point and should be brought up. $70 games and what Sony is doing is unsustainable.
@YorkshireNed for the exclusives?
@Jaz007 don't get me wrong i love game pass i play tons of games on it , but i'll happily pay 70$ for a great ps5 exclusive. rachet and clank was 100% worth full price. if 70$ is too much though , that person shouldn't be buying 500$ ps5's at launch then.
Tl;dr
Fanboys are okay with this practice, while gamers aren't
Well done with disinformation.
(for PS5 owners)
The expansion is $30.
The upgrade (from the original game) is free.
What is hard to understand?
Spiderman expansions a few weeks after the main game was greedy but pushsquare supported them.
Literally just yesterday you guys posted how Sony/we should support the developers and not charge them for advertising on the PS store.
Today you’re complaining we have to pay $10 to, you know, SUPPORT THE DEVS FOR THEIR WORK. We already got a ton of free stuff for the game but $10 for and upgrade is too much.
You guys make me laugh. You bring up Xbox GamePass talking about how good of value it is and what not. Xbox doesn’t have a controller that they need to program the haptics, adaptive triggers, and speaker for. Give me a break. If people don’t wanna pay a measly $10 for the upgrade then DON’T. Just play PS4 version.
Pretty disappointed in PushSquare recently with these dumb contradictory articles.
@mucc sometimes I think I'm on purebox, the amount of articles mention how great xbox is
It's nice that these things happen from time to time so that gamers can express their anger for a change.
I mean, if they think the price is too high, they could simply wait till it's cheap enough for them to justify the purchase, but noooooooooooo.
"HOW DARE THEY?!!!1"
"The ps3 level arrogance level days are back!!111"
@Waffles12415 it's all about clicks. It's been this way for a while, sadly. At least moderation is quite good and insults, racist and homophobic remarks are not allowed.
@naruball I don’t think we bought PS5s already to wait for bad prices to come down.
TMW Sony tries to do the “Switch Tax”
@NoxAeturnus But I bought this game for $55 in March when I got my PS5. If I knew this was coming I would have just waited and paid $70 for the proper PS5 version with the expansion. Now it will be another $30, so $85 altogether for me if I wanted it that badly. This whole transition in general has been pretty ugly imo
@JapaneseSonic @Werewius Game Pass has been getting new release 3rd party titles added the day they come out. Outriders was on GamePass day one. Back4Blood is another title going to GamePass day one. Sony is giving us the shaft.
@JapaneseSonic I spend more time on my Series X than I do my PS5.
SP have already given us more than enough for free and the upgrade path couldn't be simpler. I'll be getting the dlc and the ps5 upgrade day 1.
Nintendo has been charging big bucks for recycled IP for decades...yet Sony gets all the hate in 2021. C'mon, they need to make up for those Cyberpunk refunds in some way...
My issue is the upgrade fee. I purchased GoT full price at launch, I supported it and now they want more money just to play the game with some enhancements on PS5, nahhh I’ll pass.
Charging for an expansion is okay, I’d expect to pay around £15 depending on the size of it but Sony has made a mess of this whole thing and how anyone can defend it is beyond me. If you do you are the problem as to why they keep doing these ***** anti consumer price hikes.
@get2sammyb
Sammy, no this does not exist in a Vacuum, but the medium is not the whole video games industry, it's the playstation eco-system.
This is about an upgrade to a PS4 game on PS5. We compare it to other upgraded versions of PS4 games on PS5 by third and first parties. For example, the recent FF7 remake.
Xbox has literally nothing to do with it because Microsoft does not publish games on PS4/PS5 and Ghost of Tsushima is a PS exclusive. Even if i throw all my money at game pass, i will never get an upgraded version of Ghost of Tsushima.
So, lets keep things in the perspective they are in, i'd say.
@Nem but you can compare PlayStations eco system to any other eco system and that’s fair.
Take Gears 5, it had a substantial Series X upgrade for free and they released Hivebusters as a separate expansion you can either play day 1 on Gamepass or buy if you want. There was no silly upgrade fee if you owned the Xbox one version.
When you compare that to Sony it’s completely fair to compare to 2 eco systems and to see who’s ripping off their own player base.
@Jaz007 if you don't mind paying extra, you get the game. If you do, you wait. Simple as that. You can't have everything in life just cause you want to.
@BleedingDreamer "Game Pass has been getting new release 3rd party titles added the day they come out. Outriders was on GamePass day one. Back4Blood is another title going to GamePass day one. Sony is giving us the shaft."
No, they're not. It's unrealistic to expect so many games with what you pay for. Just because a company with deep pockets doesn't mind bleeding money just to hurt the competition, it doesn't mean that everyone else should or even could follow their example. It's why small shops close all the time.
Here we go again every thread turns into selext as appropriate ,Xbox Vs ps ,Xbox has all the money in the world ,Xbox doesn't make money on game pass ,I don't like game pass, game pass is destroying the world blah blah
No matter which way you look at it game pass is great value for the players and all these critics on these forums think they know best , game pass don't make money ? So you work for Microsoft?chances are not no one knows for sure if Microsoft make money but I'd bet they do they don't turn into a trillion dollar company by making lots of losses and even game companys have come out and said game pass has been good for them.
For me agree or not I don't care your choice , I love game pass and it's what keeps me from buying big games on ps it's only lthe exclusives that keep me going back and even then it's wow £70 for a game I'll prob complete in a week or two and never go back to till I buy dlc sod that and I know I'm just one player but I'm pretty sure there are more that think like me and for Sony that is a BIG problem that needs to be addressed quickly and making the players pay more is not the way to do it
@nessisonett
"It’s not exactly a good look from the outside. So for casual players or parents etc, you’re paying £450 for a new console, and then paying more for the privilege of actually getting games on that console. If I was a parent who wasn’t informed about games then I probably would just keep the PS4 for my kids"
Eh? That doesn't make a whole heap of sense. It doesn't matter what console a player or parents buy, they're still going to have to buy games for it!
I am not taking up for Sony here, but their greed here doesn't hold a candle to what Nintendo does. They literally sell ports without giving you a cut if you bought it last gen or not for full priced.
@JJ2 Erm no, you cannot upgrade to the PS5 version for free. It's £10 to keep the base game and upgrade to native PS5. If you want the dlc thrown in it's £30 then. So the disinformation is coming from you. £20 for dlc, £10 for upgrade. Either way it's more expensive for those fans who have already bought the game, you know, the ones who made the thing a hit in the first place.
I mean, i'm not buying it either way. Just for the principle I'm gonna wait and buy the dlc when it's on sale and I'll wait and pick up the directors cut physical in a years or so when it's down to a tenner. If they'd made the upgrade free, I'd have paid for the dlc day one. 'shrugs'
Really looking forward to playing GOT but looks like I'll have to wait much longer until its at a price point I'm willing to pay - this gen I'll basically be playing PS games a few years behind most other people but will be playing Xbox games day 1 due to game pass. I think that will be quite telling as the generation plays out.
@CieloAzure They've likely called it directors cut just to lean into the whole movie theme/inspiration that they had for the game, not that they had content that didn't make the original cut. The devs said many times the game was inspired by old Japanese movies. They even have that Kurosawa mode
Vote with your wallet people!
I'll be getting it but I'll be waiting for it to be half that price at least.
Wish you would stop comparing game pass to sonys pricing ,while I dont agree with Sonys 70 quid a pop dynamic ,game pass is a rental service, you own nothing.
@GKT I rented this game for free from my library last year, because quarantine boredom. And because I knew it would eventually get a GOTY edition or DLC or a PS5 version in the next 1-1.5 years-ish. Because it always happens. And because I buy physical, and I wait for that "definitive version" that has all the important patches on the disc before owning a game. Honestly, data management and video games has been a mess for two generations now. If you buy games at launch you shouldn't be surprised if something like this happens.
A tenner for extra content for those who already purchased the ps4 game is fine.
Yeah the new pricing model is BS, I outright refuse to pay $120 AUD for a game on principle, so I end up buying the games second hand and Sony now gets $0 from me for every major ps5 game. I'm sure there are a lot of people like me as well. I have such a backlog of games to get through waiting a few weeks for second hand copies to hit doesn't bother me and usually by then they are patched better as well.
But if they just charged the normal amount I would be fine and buy new..
I'm interested to know how many other people are like this right now, the Australian price is out of control! Even the USD hike of $10 was bad, to go from $90 to $120-30 is just crazy.
Just wait for the full Death Stranding Directors cut reveal. It's gonna be at 70 USD as well and everybody will go crazy again. I'll just wait for the sale on both of these…
@Salt_AU well if Sony siad it they must be right .... Like not having a smart delivery system on their shiny new console hmmmm great idea Sony , and also isnt ps now exactly the same without the exclusives ?
@Salt_AU ok that sounded bitchy sorry it wasnt meant that way aimed at u if you think that , I don't believe Sony is forward thinking anymore I used too but now I don't, they have missed so many things and now it just seems like money money money and I know it's all company's but it's getting rough ,eg. For those who want it on this month's game pass u can get space jam 2 for 2 weeks before release ( personally I'll never play the game ) but I can where it would tempt say ppl with kids that want to play it to it and Sony don't seem to be doing much to tempt me
I think the summary here is that the big games from Sony got delayed until 2022 and they are trying to fill the void.
They've tied what was essentially a separate DLC to the base game to make extra money and make these games seem 'new' and 'exciting', whilst being able to charge £70 to new customers rather than people picking up a cheap pre-owned copy and getting a potential 'free' upgrade and perhaps not buying the DLC.
You know full well this is will be the scenario with Death Stranding Directors Cut as well.
I can see the business sense, because Sony literally only have Horizon FW as THE only first party title for the rest of the year (that we know of), so they'll want to maximise profit, but it's a very anti-consumer tactic.
@Profondo Thats the point. If you’re buying a whole new console for your kids and the games are more expensive than the versions on the console you already own then why would you bother getting the new console?
@Fenbops hivebusters is also 3 hours long. I can’t confirm this but I’d bet my PS5 that this expansion will be a lot longer than that. Therefore the value of the $30 expansion/upgrade is more. That doesn’t even include the free legends mode that was added
@GADG3Tx87 I agree with you regarding the upgrades from PS4 to PS5 being free with paid dlc or season pass….
@Ssimsim Yeah, wait for reviews and decide if it's worth doing.
I'll definitely replay GoT on PS5 but not for some time yet, by the time I do I reckon the DLC will be cheaper anyway.
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To be fair to the usual moaners on this site, this price plan could be a tad clearer but Sony aren't a charity and they're in it to make money.
This article is such clickbait and believe this how games should be released. I gladly pay a tenner more for a complete game with enhancements. If everything is complete on the disc ill pay it no problem.
Also €69 for a complete game is a rippoff what a joke this is how is this a rippoff? Its quite a deal for a game with and expansion and enhancements and a free multiplayer addon.
Ubisoft games with how many versions with all of them missing something from the other editions (predatory someone). Base version €60 gold version €90 and then we tend to forget that they are full of boosters, MT yeah a Ubisoft ingame menu looks like a free to play mobile game they dont even have the decency to hide that stuff its in your face all the time.
I dont hear you moan about a €99 NBA2K Mamba edition and hail it as a free nextgen upgrade. But thats not all its laced with gambling towards minors and laced with MT. And make the new MT with teneus on FIFA getting a piece.
If we are going to look at value sportsgames with some roster updated and somehow every year more and more ways to scam a buck out of your pocket. With the nice benefit that every year the game loses near 100% of its value (is see the gamestores giving older entries away and still nobody wants them) and you can start over from scratch.
They should have taken the FF7 Remake route imo.
Free PS4 to PS5 upgrade, and then pay extra for the Story Expansion DLC.
I have a Ps5 but NAH I’ll just move on to another game I’m not into paying extra for something that should actually be free, Anyway I’m good with Xbox series X Smart Delivery.
@Iroha
'You can also upgrade directly (from original Ghost of Tsushima PS4) to Director’s Cut on PS5 for $29.99 USD'
Source PSBLOG
@Waffles12415 that’s not the point, the option is there to buy Hivebusters separate without any sort of silly upgrade cost. You can buy Gears 5 for a tiny amount of money and pop it into your Series X and get the full next gen version for nothing. I know who’s offering the best value.
@JJ2 exactly people don't realize they are pretty much paying for the expansion. why on earth would some one want the upgrade with out the new content in the first place
@Fenbops I'm not even sure you have to upgrade. The ps4 fame on ps5 already runs at 4k 60fps with almost no loading.
Sony is taking on the Nintendo strategy and I'm not sure I'd advise it if I were running the show. I don't view the jump to $70 for new games as negatively as many others do but I can see where those people are coming from and I think it was a poor decision by Sony to stat charging more money for PS5 games and to top it off, Xbox players getting free upgrades to next-gen versions of games while PS owners get the shaft also isn't a good look. Unfortunately, just like in the PS3 days, seems Sony will have to learn a hard lesson before the suits wake up and realize some of these decisions are just dumb. No reason people who already bought Ghost Tsushima shouldn't be able to upgrade at no charge.
I can understand paying for dlc but paying for a ps4 to ps5 upgrade is disgusting
@mvhess
That is also my thoughts.
Either you love the game and want it all on PS5 (with the expansion) or you aren't that fussed. Yesterday people were crying that developers had it hard to make a living.
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@JJ2 And your point is?
Are we seeing a return of the old arrogant Sony? £70 for a new game and now this?
@naruball Nor does Sony. Sony wants me, I'm easily their target market, to buy games at launch and for full price. As part of their prime customer base, Sony can only get what they want if people like me pay up. If me, (and others like me) don't pay, Sony will have to change what to do get what they want, because they can't always have it either.
This concept fully goes two ways.
@naruball Sony has very deep pockets too. The PS5 upgrade should be free to anyone who bought GOT on the PS4 and has a PS5. I understand paying for the expansion and other extras but not the PS5 upgrade. Sony is taking advantage of its customers.
@Waffles12415 once the tool set is created programming for the controller is pretty simple.
@Nem I know for fact Game Pass made one sale for Sony. The day Outriders came out I was playing it on Game Pass. My son in law drops by and wants to try it out, he plays on PS4 and went out and bought the game. I think Game Pass can generate more game sales. It is a good service for me cause I rarely play a game a 2nd time. I like my PS5 and Sony has a few exclusives I really like and there will always be a few games I'll buy and play on it. But the Series X will be my console for 3rd party titles and Game Pass. It is a very good value. I wish Sony had something like it besides PSNow.
Yah there is no excuse for the upgrade fee period. Justify all you want, fanboy all you want, but the reality this was an outlier move that no other ps5 upgrade has chosen to do. This is a cash grab, plain and simple.
As far as the expansion, if they are charging 20 bones for it it had better be worth the price. As that trailer made the environments look identical to the main setting aside from some new armor sets.
For the mere responsibility as a consumer to not condone practices meant to milk additional money out of the hands that feed the developers and sony, I will absolutely not be paying for this at full price. As I suspect naughty dog and Sony are working on doing the same with the last of us franchise, and it's just getting ridiculous with these remasters. It's stunting creativity, innovation, and new IPs in favor of simply updating and retreading years old content.
GOT : Director’s Haircut lol
Hello new to this thread site I don't know what to call it (not very up-to-date with the Internet lol) anywho I don't agree with the charges for the upgrade at all I loved Ghost of tsushima but I would've thought they would give the base game free for existing owners of the ps4 version and the expansion they would of just charged for separately if you choose to do so, it's just a bit of mess really how it's being handled
Yeah, this isn't worth $70 at all. The PS4 version of the Director's Cut is practically the same thing but at $60
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@BleedingDreamer so since its simple it should just be free? Cool. I’ll make sure when I go to dinner next to tell the manager that the waiter shouldn’t be paid since its simple to bring out food.
Would you do any extra work that was easy for free or would you want to get paid?
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@Waffles12415 @Waffles12415 companies are always giving away complimentary items, it fosters good will toward your business.
@Waffles12415 this is the perfect place to complain. If enough people complain they might even change their decision.
Oh good grief. For every one good thing this company does, they do 3 bad. I haven't seen media companies sink this low since the Napster era. At this point Sony and Nintendo are going to have to settle in Smash their duel for who can be the Apple of gaming. First it was a $10 increase for new games. Now it's a $10 increase for old games. We're down to the biggest players making updates to old products and then charging more for them than the original. An up-priced upgrade edition of a year old game when industry standard is free upgrades? How full of yourself do you have to be? Meanwhile the competition is handing out all you can play for one low price. Who charges more in the face of steep competition?
Oh, that's right. Sony does. Which is why they're now
#1#2#3#4#5 in TV sales.@BleedingDreamer you mean like the free PS5 patch they released in January? Or the Legends multiplayer mod? And no. I guarantee Sony won’t change their mind over people complaining her. They will if people simply don’t buy it. Complaining literally gets you nowhere.
@NoxAeturnus I bought it 7 months after release...
@Waffles12415 the Legends MP was originally going to be with the game but they didn't have it finished in time to meet their release date. They didn't give us anything the content was paid for before it came out.
@NEStalgia Sony is doing the exact same thing that MS did back during the 360 era when they were on top. It didn't work out well for MS and I hope this doesn't work out well for Sony.
@Voltan ,eh it's the same game for 70$. there is nothing "more" in it. you're not getting a 20 hours new content. basically the same game for 70$. it's hilarious
@BleedingDreamer OK? I'm still not interested. I got a PS4/PS5/switch/PC. I'm covered. I most certainly am not gonna be ransomed on a monthly fee to play my games. Works for you, all good. The conversation wasn't about this though. It was about it being brought up when it has nothing to do with ghost of tsushima.
@BRUTALSAM Huh? The main point of this version (both on PS4 and PS5) is the additional story content on a new island. No idea how big/long it is but it's exactly that - more GoT.
@Fenbops I don't see how that helps me get Ghost of tsushima as a free upgrade.
Whatever xbox and microsoft are doing is irrelevant. What's relevant is what Sony is doing and what we want them to do.
Bringing up Xbox is just some sort of atempt at blackmail by saying, "either you do it like this or we are going away!" Well... i'm not gonna go away. That doesn't really help the situation at all cause the game i want, ghost of tsushima, isn't on Xbox.
This is like being mad at the Zelda breath of the wild season pass. Yes, it was pricy for what it was. You say that to Nintendo don't you? Or do you say: I'm gonna go to PS/Xbox cause they add more content.
So what? They don't have Zelda.
It's a petulant way to try and deal with the situation that helps absolutely nothing.
@ShadowWolf712 no one's saying it's complicated, we're saying it's cheeky and disrespectful to consumers, particularly those of us who already own Ghost and who have already paid for the PS5.
I used to think Smart Deliver was kind of a gimmick but damn, it has really paid off in these first 9 months.
@klbm91504 so you expected them to make new content and give it away for free?
@Werewius tsushima is the only one with upgrade issue like this lol greedfall was free, final fantasy 7 intergrade was free upgrade as long as you actually bought the game and not recieved it free through ps plus even like the article said both sackboy and miles Morales were free upgrades as well so I'm assuming this will have content enough worthy of a pay increase
@thefourfoldroot You literally are example of the confused consumer who thinks he knows what is going on.
Here is the laydown of what it costs to go from PS4 to PS5. First you have to update your PS4 game to the PS4 Directors Cut for $20 Then to update to the DC on the PS5 (again the only way to update to the PS5 version) is to pay another $10 for PS5 DC. You can't get around having to pay for DLC it is required if you want to update to the PS5 version. People are not upset about the DLC. They are upset about the $30 that will actually cost PS4 gamers to get the PS5 version (not $10 or $20 like people are saying but $30). At the end of the day, many companies whether it is Xbox or a lot of third-party studios have offered game updates with a lot of next-gen features added over the previous-gen version for the cost of nothing. Again, people aren't upset about the DLC cost. They agree for paying for that. Rather is about Sony is tying it to the next-gen upgrade and not making the cost of DLC an option if you don't want it.
What Sony should had done is just updated the game with the next-gen features for free. I remember Sony said they don't believe in gens. Or are they going back on that after lying about it previously? I can't tell as they sure are showing how gens are separate now. Give that free next-gen update but then offer a DLC $20 that works on either PS4 or PS5. And people can buy it or not but are not forced in any way to buy it that it is now being done. You know Sony should handle it how most studios handle all this. At the end of the day, PS5 buying the game now get the DC for $70 (with DLC. etc). If you were a good little Sony PS4 owner and bought GOT for $60 on your PS4 at the end of the day it is going to cost $90 ($60 for the game, $20 for upgrade to the DC version, and $10 to upgrade tax for PS5 version of the DC game) all to get to that same content PS5 is charging $70. This is nickel and diming people. The loyal customer who was there from the beginning spending their money on the game a year ago. Then spent $500 on a console. And Sony doesn't say "thanks for sticking by us but truthfully we don't we care as we are going to charge you more for being loyal PS4 foot soldiers, just suck up and take it"
@ImGumbyDammit
You are a little confused I think.
Firstly, Sony didn’t say they don’t believe in generations, they said the opposite (which is why some people were annoyed that so many early games have been cross gen).
Also, nothing you said contradicts what I said. As I said, the developer should have offered the option of the dlc without upgrade for those who don’t want it, and could have also offered the upgrade for free. I merely said I’d give them a pass on not doing the latter due to the free expansion they gave recently which they could easily have charged for.
@ShogunRok sorry, can I ask?
How do I upgrade straight to PS5 version?
All I see in store is two options: 1. full price pre order of PS5 version 2. upgrade to director's cut BUT only for PS4.
Should I pre-order ps4 upgrade to director's cut and then, by some miracle, option for upgrade to PS5 version will appear?
Could you clarify the process?
I just don't want to risk of being stuck with unnecessary purchase.
My Ghost of Tsushima is digital, if this is imoprtant.
This is a game I was waiting for with respect to a Game of the Year edition. But, I am not paying £70 for it.
I'll just wait even longer now till it's in the bargain bucket and buy it later. Well played Sony. 🙄
I have been into playstation for a while and with the recent comments that they are going to do more of these so called directors cuts I have decided to get a series x as I have been paying £70 for digital games and feel like an idiot for doing so. I have learned the hard way and am not going to buy at their so called premium any longer. I will pick the games up on sale and use xbox games day of release for a sub.
I checked the uk store and it shows it would cost £24.99 to upgrade to the directors cut and a further £9 to the ps5. Pretty poor
@Iroha
The article did not mention the part I quoted is what I was saying. From a PS5 owner of the original game.
Have a nice weekend.
I'm not into making 'points' or pointless arguing about semantics.
Only facts matter to me.
Peace
@Blacksmith1985 I don't think the PS5 upgrade is live yet.
I don't know how Sony plans on rolling this out, but at the very latest, the PS5 upgrade will go live at launch.
No need to upgrade to the PS4 Director's Cut if you're gonna be playing on PS5 anyway. Just wait for the direct PS5 DC upgrade to go live.
Hope that makes sense, it is a very confusing process at a glance.
I selected the game on ps5 and it stated there £24.99 to directors cut and a further £9
@stormyuk how much were you thinking it was going to be ? you are paying 40$ for the base game , and 30$ for the upgrade/expansion.
@thefourfoldroot why would you want the upgrade with out the expansion ?
@ShogunRok thanks. I'll do like that.
@twitchtvpat
Why not? I’ve never bought an expansion / DLC in my life. I’ve usually got rid of a game by the time they come out. If I’ve got a base game and a ps5, and don’t want to buy the DLC, it could be an option.
I see no problems with this unless the dlc is tiny or not very good. Season passes are almost always $29.99 and sometimes great and sometimes not. This is giving us a directors cut which hopefully implements the dualsense really well with dlc that hopefully also smashes it. They did it with the game so I’m confident they will do it with this. It may have to wait until after Kena though as I’m super excited for that!!!
I'll gladly pay for an upgrade to the edition of the game with more content. What pisses me off is the fact that they're locking the next gen version of the game behind a paywall.
I have no interest in going back to this game as id finished a few weeks after release but if i did still have it i wouldn't have a problem paying 10 dollars which is what 8 quid? so the price of a KFC. You say sony doesn't know there audience with making them pay. Id say that they know them pretty well. The general gaming public isn't the frothing at the mouth internet mob
I struggle with this new version of Sony which seems intent on wringing as much cash out of its fanbase as it can. I get that it doesn't have the capital that MS have behind them, and so perhaps can't afford to compete on the value proposition. But in that case it needs to find other ways to compete. The issues with storage, the indie expose...so much is adding up against Sony, that for them to appear to rely solely on their exclusives for goodwill, and then charge for them in a way that could be perceived as predatory, is utterly ludicrous.
Having been a very loyal PS user since PS1, XsX is now my main console. I'll still buy the exclusives (though probably not at launch) and will otherwise enjoy what gamepass offers me. Been having a blast playing gears, ori and Forza Horizon 4.
The value proposition is truly insane. I bought two years of Xbox live gold on eBay for £80, then paid £15 to MS to convert those to two years of gamepass ultimate. That works out to £3.80 a month...despite that I'd prefer to "own" my games, I can't pass up this sort of value, particularly when Sony seem happy to continue to use up their well deserved goodwill. Also, as an aside, I can't believe how good quick resume is as a feature. I thought it was a gimmick, totally wrong.
I´ll wait and buy a used PS5 copy not anymore Sony...not anymore.
@GwynbleiddPT they will probably put the dlc as a code and not on the disc so you have to buy a new copy
@trev666
Wouldn´t be surprise at all and it´s ok played the game,my favorite Sony exclusive and second loved game on PS4 after Witcher 3 but still won´t go for it, i´m a litlle disappointed how Sony/Playstation have conducting there business and communication lately so it will be a pass for me regardless.
Every headline is just chum for the unwashed masses. Wouldn't it be better to have all the information before getting upset about what we don't know?
Even though I had a blast with Ghost back on the Pro, I really hoped that the next-gen upgrade would be free. I guess I'll still buy it but most games have been doing free PS4 to PS5 versions.
I fear for the Nintendoization of PlayStation when comes to brand-fanbase market interactions at the rate things are going.
@GADG3Tx87 doubtful. If it's great content who cares how much it costs. As long as they don't make this a standard with every game. I'm satisfied.
@lolwhatno some people have the mentality of a door I swear lol
Ghost of Tsushima is kinda boring to me anyway. I mean, it was loads of fun for a while. It just became a whole lot of the same thing over and over again towards the end. I never even finished the game. I picked it up again a few times but never played more than a few minutes each time. I'd rather replay Fallout 4 tbh
@RBMango Well Nintendo seems to be doing just fine using a similar model. Consumers pay for the high quality 1st party titles. And it has always been this way. PlayStation will need to broaden their offering a bit but Xbox is providing such amazing value because they could not compete with the 1st party line ups of it competitors. Very smart move indeed.
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