@T-Bone09 It's strange when people refuse to realise in which way wind is blowing.
Sony went from "Spider-Man will forever be PlayStation exclusive" tweet in 2017 to releasing 4 years old game to PC (Horizon Zero Dawn) in 2020 to releasing just one year old game (Spider-Man 2) in 2025. With live service game coming PC day one and to Xbox consoles a year after.
It's called a boiling frog. They realised there is hardly any shrinking of their console audience while they have additional revenue from other platforms. They would be dumb to not take advantage of that.
I don't know how you call a company that in last months released
Game for PS5 only (Astro Bot)
Game for PC and PS5 (Concord) (which would probably also be ported later to Xbox, if it haven't failed spectacularly)
Game for PC, PS5 and Switch (LEGO Horizon Adventures)
Game for PC (Spider-Man 2)
Game for Xbox, PS and Switch (MLB The Show 25)
Game for PS5 (Death Stranding 2)
Game for Xbox (Helldivers 2)
...other than multiplatform publisher...
And argument about Bungie doesn't hold much water anymore. Because after recent Bungie shenanigans, Sony took direct ownership of Bungie. They could cancel Marathon for Xbox in a whim...
It's like when Spencer said that they are only porting four games to PS. Everybody with a few braincells knew that it would not stop at 4 games. But there were always people who just refused to accept reality.
Mat Piscatella from Circana said just last week that people are entrenched into their ecosystem of choice thanks to digital purchases that created huge libraries.
Which means that overwhelming majority will not change their platform even if Sony/Microsoft will start porting their games elsewhere. Which is exactly what Spencer told before Starfield came out - even if that games was 11/10 it would not move PlayStation players towards buying Xbox.
Console space have dealt it's cards and everybody have their hand. Even if Microsoft will drop price of Series X to 299$ and made every first-party game outside of COD exclusive, they still would not outsold PS5. Everybody who is thinking otherwise is delusional.
Same for Sony. Even if they kept every first-party game only on PlayStation, PC gamers would not have bought consoles lol. Same as Xbox owners would not started to selling their consoles. Because they have hundreds of digital games there. And also Game Pass. There are so much games coming out on PC/Xbox that you can safely ignore PlayStation and their 1-2 first-party games per year if they are not coming to your platform. Same as PS users ignored Forza Horizon 5 for years until it finally came to their platform and then they bought it in droves.
So how you grow your addressable market? You start porting your games elsewhere. And like on PC, it would be a slow and cautious process. But when Sony will realise that they can have their cake (huge console audience) and eat it to (additional revenue from Xbox platform), they will start porting everything.
Because while you may laugh that Xbox "only" have 35 million Series X/S consoles on the market...even if 10% of that market would have bought Spider-Man 2, that's 3,5 million additional copies sold, which at 70$ makes 245 million of additional revenue.
So to me Helldivers 2 is a testbed. And if that test will be a successful, Sony will be more brazen in their approach.
It would be hilarious people who bitched about Series S being bottleneck for next-gen development will suddenly be totally okay with "Power save mode" which will essentially turn PS5 into Series S with other power profile...
And some people around here suggested, that game should be sold at discount at release, because nobody will pay full price for almost 4 years old game lol.
Since bottleneck for games like GTA VI would probably be CPU side (since Rockstar games tend to have a lot of simulations, physics and huge crowds) and since PS5 and PS5 Pro have same CPU, I doubt that game can "only" by be played at 60 on Pro.
It would be either 60 FPS on all consoles (barring Series S) or it will be 30 everywhere.
@SleeplessKnight I would not say that PC gaming is not "direct competition." It's more like Sony needed vectors for growth and PC gaming was farther away than Xbox.
But my point still stands. Sony is conservative. So they are approaching Xbox same way as PC from 2020 - just bring one game, see what kind of numbers it will produce and how it will affect your business. If there will be little impact, move faster, port more games etc.
But I doubt there will be much a of a impact, so Sony will see it in future as "free money." Especially since next Xbox is rumored to have multiple launchers and be able to run PC version of games. So they will be getting Sony games regardless.
@SleeplessKnight You know what is a concept of boiling frog right?
Sony is basically making same approach as with PC ports. At first it was just one game, 4 years after release (HZD). And nowadays it's almost every game with some of them released day one on PC (Helldivers 2) and some of them only taking year to come to PC (Spider-Man 2).
When Sony will realise that there is no negative aspect from porting their game to Xbox, because their console audience is stable, they will start porting everything.
May I remind you that if you mentioned PlayStation games being on PC just 5 years ago, you would get "never" answers?
@Lock_Dock122 Maybe because "nobody is playing on Xbox" and "nobody is buying games on Xbox" is just pure myth.
Sony has numbers of Xbox copies sold from MLB The Show and know how many active Xbox players (and expansion buyers) are playing Destiny 2 on Xbox.
So fact that they are bringing Helldivers 2 on Xbox means that there is plenty of gamers who are gaming on Xbox and plenty of gamers on Xbox who are buying games. And Sony knows that. Otherwise they would not bother with the port.
But I guess it's only strange for people who believe whole "nobody is playing on Xbox" nonsense.
It's pretty clear that Spencer and co. lost actual control of Xbox division. I mean, they are still "in charge" but people actually in charge are Nadella and Hood.
Which doesn't mean it's not Spencer's fault. He kept promising Nadella everything while failing to deliver. And now promising projects like this are paying the price with hundreds of devs being without work.
@UncleByron We can agree to disagree. Story where main character murders hundreds of people and then spare her archnemesis for no reason at all and suddenly is just dumb to me.
Not to mention fact that story of the first game was unique to the Ellie and Joel. Story in second game is dumb revenge story that could happen to anybody in that world.
Terrible story. Like...I was okay with what they did in first part of game. But if you getting rid of one of the main reasons why first game was so great, you need to be damn sure you will replace it with something as interesting. And they failed spectacularly.
Game was just too damn long. Gameplay wasn't nearly as complex or interesting to warrant 25+ hours playthrough. They could throw away half of characters and half of levels and game would be way better.
Some parts of the game was just terrible because of lack of pace. Mainly those "open-ended semi-linear" parts like Seattle. That ties to gameplay mechanics, but pace during those parts was just awful.
Visuals are top notch and are holding pretty nicely even after 5 years.
Overall? It was "okay" game. But bitterly disappointing after first game and probably weakest ND game since first Uncharted.
So, device that will try to offer ease of use of consoles with flexibility of PC? With access to PC content (with PC ports of PlayStation games?) And will have Game Pass?
Yeah. True shocker. Square was telling Xbox players to buy PS consoles to play FF since 2020 (when Remake came out). Not to mention they came with FFXVI two years after initial release.
Considering Xbox games goes on sale pretty often and soon after release (Oblivion remaster is 20% off just 2 months after release), I kinda don't see problem.
People (especially here) complained that FH5 is being released at full price 3 years after initial release and yet, people bought that game in droves. So much so that it sold more copies on PlayStation 5 than AC Shadows lol.
So charge more for impatient and then catch rest of people with 20% off seems like obvious thing to do. It's not like Nintendo, when you would need to wait years for any kind of deal.
Also...you know...there is a Game Pass if you complain about price too much And anybody who thinks Sony won't follow should probably wake from their dream. Ghost of Yotei would be last non-live service PS game that will be sold for current price. Also. Price is going up only in certain territories (USA). I noticed that in my territory, The Outer Worlds 2 cost same as Avowed.
It's hilarious to complain about "Game Pass as a threat to game industry" when most-played chart on every platform is literally dominated by free-to-play games lol.
@ChrisDeku That's why I said it was way worse Xbox Showcase than last two years . Live service segments a stuff like GoW Reloaded were primary reason. Black Ops 7 should have been at start, not "one more thing." FF stuff should not be there, because announcing port of 5 years old game during your biggest showcase is just dumb. All that stuff should have been replaced by at least two high-profile first-party games. Especially since Spencer already confirmed that Fable, GoW E-Day, Forza Horizon 6 and Halo CE Remake will release next year.
They showed three new first party games, that weren't announced before (Grounded 2, Black Ops 7 and Keeper) and all of them will be released this year, gave release dates to two other already announced first-party games (The Outer Worlds 2 and Ninja Gaiden 4), while NG4 was announced this year. Basically only first-party game without date was Clockwork Revolution, which majority of people consider best game in Showcase .
So you basically took Clockwork Revolution and pretend that it is the case for every first-party game lol. Meanwhile Xbox have (barring exception towards stuff showed in 2020, when they were desperate to announce everything because they didn't have enough studios) been pretty quick with releases after announcements. DOOM: TDA was released less then year after announcement. Indy was announced and release in same year. Age of Mythology Retold year after. Oblivion Remastered was released same day lol.
It's especially hilarious in context of State of Play that you praised. Which showed teaser for another State of Play (Ghost of Yotei), games that were already announced and in some cases already had a release date (Metal Gear Solid Delta, Silent Hill f, Baby Steps and Pragmata). Not to mention fact that Pragmata was announced 5 years ago. And we can't forget update for existing game (Astro Bot). So...double standard?
What I said wasn't outlandish. If you take scores on public pools, majority of people agree that it was XBShowcase - SGF - SOP in terms of quality. It wasn't a huge difference between them, at least not for me. But it was still there. Obviously, you can have different subjective opinion.
@ChrisDeku I mean. You can check Geoff's pool Considering how much Xbox "has no games" it's pretty interesting that they have best showcases year after year
@Don_Corleone Are you a person or AI? Because wall of the slop you just wrote made me think that this isn't a thing someone wrote.
I was talking about showcases. Nothing more, nothing less. If you need to go on tangent because of that and extrapolate your poor attempt to weigh in into Xbox vs. PlayStation ecosystem, that's just your problem lol.
If you think that I'm loosing my sleep over Xbox porting their games onto PlayStation, you are barking on a wrong tree mate. I truly don't care. I own Series X and PS5 and prefer Xbox because of Game Pass. If that change, I will change my main platform. I'm going where better deal is.
It's also hilarious that you are crying about "4 of the same games year after year," because last time I checked, Xbox has pretty great variety in terms of new IP's. Just this year, they launched 3 of them. Also it's hilarious that PlayStation guys a frothing about those "dead IP's" so much that Forza Horizon 5 is one of the best selling games on PlayStation this year
Xbox had a best showcase, not because it was great, but because all other were rather poor.
It was okay, but nowhere near great as last two years. But since Spencer already teased Fable, Gears E-Day, Forza Horizon 6 and Halo CE Remake for next year, I'm not that mad tbh.
Clockwork Revolution looks like best game ever and my wet dream coming true. But even with Grounded 2, ToW2, Ninja Gaiden 4, that Double Fine game and Black Ops 7 I expected way better showing from first party.
Which is honestly hilarious, because there were literally 7 first-party games shown during showcase and one expansion (for Indy) and still I'm thinking that there wasn't enough. There was just too much stuff missing from them that probably should have been there. Stuff like State of Decay 3, Everwild or Fable. And also...that live service segments should die already. Like, I know that Sea of Thieves is still popular and same is true for TESO and Fallout 76. But please...why in Showcase?
@ChrisDeku MS showed 12 first-party games last year. From which they already released 8 (again, not counting expansions). Sprinkling some stuff that is further away when you already have stacked release cadence is not a bad thing in slightest.
It's not like everything they showed is releasing in 5 years lol. From "not released" games there are Fable, GoW E-Day, State of Decay 3 and Perfect Dark. All of those games (outside PD) will be out this or next year.
@ChrisDeku Poll on Twitter by Geoff Keighley speaks for itself
A: 24,2%
B: 26,8%
C: 20,9%
D: 28,1%
Meanwhile PS Showcase 2021 which had almost exact same length but had way more first-party content
A: 52,6%
B: 30,2%
C: 10,9%
D: 6,2%
So much for "fake narratives" lol
Look. It's okay to say "I personally thought that this show was great." But to claim that general audience don't have expectations they are clearly have is just dumb.
This State of Play was okay. Nothing more, nothing less. Sony did way better shows in the past and probably will do way better shows in future. So I absolutely can't go higher then B, maybe even C. And general audience agrees.
@Titntin Best rated shows are always those who have exciting first-party content. That is the case with Nintendo, that is the case with Sony and also with Xbox. That's why PlayStation's E3 2016 is such a treat. Because they showed God of War, Horizon, Days Gone, Detroit Become Human all in one show. That's why last year's Xbox Showcase was praised. You can say it's "dumb," but it's just true.
"Why even watch it if you dont care for anything other than 1st party, it was clearly stated they would be showing games from their publishing partners?"
That's on Sony. When they had "Showcase" and "State of Play," people were able to manage their expectations. They knew, that Showcase is big show for first-party content. But Sony forgot to make Showcases and started folding first-party content into State of Play format. So people are obviously expecting first-party content in State of Play. And when they are not getting one, they are disappointed. It's not rocket science lol.
Exciting first-party announcements are "creme de la creme" of first-party shows. Pretending like this wasn't a case in the past is revisionism of history. That's why every single Xbox show from 2016-2020 (outside of 2018) sucked so hard. Because while they shown great announcements, they always lacked first-party content.
But it's honestly hilarious that "fist-party doesn't matter" opinions started forming in exactly same time, when Sony started to have less and less first-party content in their shows. To that I will say that best part of 2021 PlayStation Showcase were last 10 minutes when they showed Wolverine, Gran Turismo 7, Spider-Man 2 and God of War Ragnarok. And those 10 minutes are the reason why 2021 PS Showcase is best PS show in last 5 years.
@Oram77 No, they are not. I know that people will bring "showcase vs. state of play argument," but if shows like E3 2016 is A (which is basically gold standard currently), they how on Earth you can give this show anything better than B?
Sony themselves had plenty of way better shows. Not to mention Xbox showcases which were just excellent in last 2 years. Basically, Xbox had more first-party content in their auxiliary show (Developer_Direct) then Sony had during this State of Play. In showcase last year, they had 12 first-party games, not including expansions.
Basically, people are primarily watching PlayStation presentations for new first-party content. And there isn't much first-party content there. So people are not happy. And "cherry on top" was announcement of announcement of Ghost of Yotei lol. I don't understand why Sony just couldn't wait for July and include Ghost of Yotei presentation into one coherent State of Play.
You can't train your audience on first-party story-driven content and then just not show content like that. And if you don't have that content ready, then just wait lol. Nintendo was also criticized for Switch 2 direct because of lack of new first-party reveals.
@ChrisDeku You mean fake story where even Sony execs admitted that they have helped with Black Myth Wukong while mentioning Genshin Impact, Stray and Stellar Blade in same sentence . (all of games being timed/permanent exclusives on PlayStation)
Like, you can talk about "imaginary friends" however you want, but you are hardly beating allegations of some kind of deal, when you are releasing your game on other platform exactly one year after it came to PS5. All while Phil Spencer was talking that he knows when game will come out to Xbox, but he can't talk about it publicly lol (for obvious reasons).
Also, it's hilarious to talk about Paul Tassi's "imaginary friends" when even IGN reporters and Imran Khan (former GameInformer reporter) were talking about some kind of deal (technical support for period of exclusivity). But okay mate.
But it must be a hell of an optimisation work on Series S version that it took exactly one year to be completed
But everybody can reach it's own conclusion obviously.
Who is surprised exactly? Every From Soft game (maybe outside of Sekiro) was technological disaster with poor framerates and technological quality of visuals.
This will be a prime example where "insiders" are doing more harm than good.
When talks about God of War greece spin-off first arrived, many were thinking about Lost Legacy style game built on assets from new God of War games. So while I adore this genre, I think many people will be disappointed by this reveal.
No surprise there. Pascal was heart of the show and when he is gone, there was nobody able to fill that void. Like in game.
Also, Ramsay was just bad casting choice. She was somewhat okay in first series where she was meant to be younger. But she is just not believable at her current role, I'm sorry. I have plenty of gripes with story of second game, but one thing I couldn't complain about was Johnson's performance. But Ramsay is just bad...
Probably only saving grace is that third series is meant to focus on Abby, because Dever was probably best thing about this series.
@twitchtvpat No it won't be.
Jason Schreier (probably best sourced journalist in games industry) literally said that ND showed "early peek" at game and they will not release it in either 2025 nor 2026. So it's 2027 at earliest.
@Oram77 Mate, Microsoft released four first-party games since start of the year, not counting PS5 ports. And it's only May. They already have other four announced for rest of the year + obvious Call of Duty.
Since Intergalactic is 2027 title (at best) this is probably for PS6 lol.
It's pretty insane that ND went from studio that made 4 big games, one expansion and one huge standalone from 2010 to 2020 to studio that is barely scraping 2 projects in 10 years.
Yeah. Let's make a big deal about Steam numbers when game is also available on
Battle.net (which has huge number of customers)
Xbox app on PC
Game Pass service
not to mention fact that Eternal was released when everybody was forced to stay home during pandemic
But I guess that's too much of a nuance for PushSquare
@SMJ No lol. Not in terms of how you are counting revenue from those games.
Do you think Nintendo counts sales of Metroid Dread or Metroid Prime 4 in different "bucket?" No. Those sales are counted in category of first-party sales.
Yes, you don't own studios that are making those games, but you are usually a publisher and also lended dev team supporting studios that you own (like XDev). It's strange to try to count them in different way in you financial report lol.
@PuppetMaster Intergalactic will not release in 2026 per Jason Schreier. He said that trailer was "early sneek peak" and game will be out in 2027 at earliest.
Wolverine was slated for 2026 per Insomniac leak.
Considering Sony literally cancelled Bend's and Bluepoint's games in January, there is 0% chance they will release something (new) next year.
"Game may get delayed again" is probably biggest non-news story ever. Like...this is true for every game
More interesting part of article is other publishers/devs scrambling and playing 4D chess with guessing what to do with their own games. It's hilarious ngl. Investing hundreds of millions to your new shiny game just to get shat on by Rockstar Games.
Since Nintendo (as a really backwards ass company) literally hop on board to this whole thing with, do you really think Sony would do anything lol?
Sony also wants people in digital ecosystem instead of buying physical (for obvious reasons). So do anybody thinks that they will do anything against that?
Also, it's literally "niche within a niche" problem. Physical sales are dropping regardless and people who will refuse to buy a game if it's not "fully playable from disc" is small percentage of already small percentage of players who are buying physical edition of games. So I doubt Sony, Microsoft, Ubisoft etc. cares at all.
@Onelastgo So it doesn't matter because
1. game cover clearly states that game requires download. So if they don't know how to read properly, it's probably their problem
2. Since they already bought the game, they will proceed to do what is necessary to play it
COD games are doing this ***** every year and they are almost always best selling games during year. So if 30 million of COD owners can do this, I don't understand where exactly is the problem. And impact by people refusing to buy a game because it is not playable from disc is clearly small enough, that publishers don't care.
Bella Ramsey is probably one of the biggest miscasts that I remember. It kinda worked in first season (because Ellie was younger), but in second season I don't believe a single moment she is in...
@Nepp67 Because if they didn't make physical copy, people would bitch more and would result in lost sales.
So they are making minimum effort. Just a few people here and there will refuse to buy DOOM because it is essentially "game key" disc. Same as with Call of Duty, Indy, Forza Horizon 5 and plenty of other games.
Majority of people who are buying this game physically are doing it for purpose of selling the game after they are done or collecting it. Both of those parameters are fulfilled even in this format. Also, majority of people just don't care at all. They see game on shelf, they will buy it and do necessary steps needed to play it.
Let's face it. People who care about physical games and games being complete on the disc are huge minority inside another huge minority.
I would not be against Microsoft porting Halo Infinite to PlayStation 5 even as a gamer who spend 90% on Xbox (rest is PS5). If not whole game, at least MP. MP has excellent amount of content and is in great shape, but is also in dire need of influx of new players.
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Re: PS5 Fans Getting 'Really Carried Away' with Job Listing Which Implied More Exclusives Could Be Ported to Xbox, Switch
@TrollOfWar lol. I forgot about those.
But nice way to prove my point
Re: PS5 Fans Getting 'Really Carried Away' with Job Listing Which Implied More Exclusives Could Be Ported to Xbox, Switch
@T-Bone09 It's strange when people refuse to realise in which way wind is blowing.
Sony went from "Spider-Man will forever be PlayStation exclusive" tweet in 2017 to releasing 4 years old game to PC (Horizon Zero Dawn) in 2020 to releasing just one year old game (Spider-Man 2) in 2025. With live service game coming PC day one and to Xbox consoles a year after.
It's called a boiling frog. They realised there is hardly any shrinking of their console audience while they have additional revenue from other platforms. They would be dumb to not take advantage of that.
I don't know how you call a company that in last months released
Game for PS5 only (Astro Bot)
Game for PC and PS5 (Concord) (which would probably also be ported later to Xbox, if it haven't failed spectacularly)
Game for PC, PS5 and Switch (LEGO Horizon Adventures)
Game for PC (Spider-Man 2)
Game for Xbox, PS and Switch (MLB The Show 25)
Game for PS5 (Death Stranding 2)
Game for Xbox (Helldivers 2)
...other than multiplatform publisher...
And argument about Bungie doesn't hold much water anymore. Because after recent Bungie shenanigans, Sony took direct ownership of Bungie. They could cancel Marathon for Xbox in a whim...
It's like when Spencer said that they are only porting four games to PS. Everybody with a few braincells knew that it would not stop at 4 games. But there were always people who just refused to accept reality.
Re: PS5 Fans Getting 'Really Carried Away' with Job Listing Which Implied More Exclusives Could Be Ported to Xbox, Switch
Mat Piscatella from Circana said just last week that people are entrenched into their ecosystem of choice thanks to digital purchases that created huge libraries.
Which means that overwhelming majority will not change their platform even if Sony/Microsoft will start porting their games elsewhere. Which is exactly what Spencer told before Starfield came out - even if that games was 11/10 it would not move PlayStation players towards buying Xbox.
Console space have dealt it's cards and everybody have their hand. Even if Microsoft will drop price of Series X to 299$ and made every first-party game outside of COD exclusive, they still would not outsold PS5. Everybody who is thinking otherwise is delusional.
Same for Sony. Even if they kept every first-party game only on PlayStation, PC gamers would not have bought consoles lol. Same as Xbox owners would not started to selling their consoles. Because they have hundreds of digital games there. And also Game Pass. There are so much games coming out on PC/Xbox that you can safely ignore PlayStation and their 1-2 first-party games per year if they are not coming to your platform. Same as PS users ignored Forza Horizon 5 for years until it finally came to their platform and then they bought it in droves.
So how you grow your addressable market? You start porting your games elsewhere. And like on PC, it would be a slow and cautious process. But when Sony will realise that they can have their cake (huge console audience) and eat it to (additional revenue from Xbox platform), they will start porting everything.
Because while you may laugh that Xbox "only" have 35 million Series X/S consoles on the market...even if 10% of that market would have bought Spider-Man 2, that's 3,5 million additional copies sold, which at 70$ makes 245 million of additional revenue.
So to me Helldivers 2 is a testbed. And if that test will be a successful, Sony will be more brazen in their approach.
Re: PS6 Handheld Becomes More Legit with New PS5 Power Save Mode
It would be hilarious people who bitched about Series S being bottleneck for next-gen development will suddenly be totally okay with "Power save mode" which will essentially turn PS5 into Series S with other power profile...
Re: Xbox Port Forza Horizon 5 Reportedly PS5's Best-Selling New Game of 2025
And some people around here suggested, that game should be sold at discount at release, because nobody will pay full price for almost 4 years old game lol.
Re: Rumour: Sony Engineers Allegedly Helping Rockstar Achieve 60fps in GTA 6 on PS5 Pro
Since bottleneck for games like GTA VI would probably be CPU side (since Rockstar games tend to have a lot of simulations, physics and huge crowds) and since PS5 and PS5 Pro have same CPU, I doubt that game can "only" by be played at 60 on Pro.
It would be either 60 FPS on all consoles (barring Series S) or it will be 30 everywhere.
Re: Worried About AI in Game Development? It's Here, and It's Only Getting Worse
You can't put genie back in the bottle. However many people around here would want to do that.
Instead of "if," we should be contemplating "how"
Because AI is just a toolset. So important thing is how it is used, not if.
It's like being outraged that modern AAA open world games are using procedural generation for assets instead of creating every asset by hand.
Re: PS5 Fans Divided Over Helldivers 2 on Xbox Pivot
@SleeplessKnight I would not say that PC gaming is not "direct competition." It's more like Sony needed vectors for growth and PC gaming was farther away than Xbox.
But my point still stands. Sony is conservative. So they are approaching Xbox same way as PC from 2020 - just bring one game, see what kind of numbers it will produce and how it will affect your business. If there will be little impact, move faster, port more games etc.
But I doubt there will be much a of a impact, so Sony will see it in future as "free money." Especially since next Xbox is rumored to have multiple launchers and be able to run PC version of games. So they will be getting Sony games regardless.
Re: PS5 Fans Divided Over Helldivers 2 on Xbox Pivot
@SleeplessKnight You know what is a concept of boiling frog right?
Sony is basically making same approach as with PC ports. At first it was just one game, 4 years after release (HZD). And nowadays it's almost every game with some of them released day one on PC (Helldivers 2) and some of them only taking year to come to PC (Spider-Man 2).
When Sony will realise that there is no negative aspect from porting their game to Xbox, because their console audience is stable, they will start porting everything.
May I remind you that if you mentioned PlayStation games being on PC just 5 years ago, you would get "never" answers?
Re: PS5 Fans Divided Over Helldivers 2 on Xbox Pivot
@Lock_Dock122 Maybe because "nobody is playing on Xbox" and "nobody is buying games on Xbox" is just pure myth.
Sony has numbers of Xbox copies sold from MLB The Show and know how many active Xbox players (and expansion buyers) are playing Destiny 2 on Xbox.
So fact that they are bringing Helldivers 2 on Xbox means that there is plenty of gamers who are gaming on Xbox and plenty of gamers on Xbox who are buying games. And Sony knows that. Otherwise they would not bother with the port.
But I guess it's only strange for people who believe whole "nobody is playing on Xbox" nonsense.
Re: Xbox's Promising MMORPG Sounds Like the Most Baffling Cancellation
It's pretty clear that Spencer and co. lost actual control of Xbox division. I mean, they are still "in charge" but people actually in charge are Nadella and Hood.
Which doesn't mean it's not Spencer's fault. He kept promising Nadella everything while failing to deliver. And now promising projects like this are paying the price with hundreds of devs being without work.
What a ***** show...
Re: What the Hell Has Happened to Call of Duty?
Sad truth is that stupid collabs like this are most profitable ones. And that remains true, they will keep happening.
Re: 'The Campus Has Been Quiet for Too Long': NBA 2K Bites Back At EA College Basketball
Can't wait for another MTX hellscape by both companies.
Re: Poll: How Do You Feel About The Last of Us Part 2, 5 Years Later?
@UncleByron We can agree to disagree.
Story where main character murders hundreds of people and then spare her archnemesis for no reason at all and suddenly is just dumb to me.
Not to mention fact that story of the first game was unique to the Ellie and Joel. Story in second game is dumb revenge story that could happen to anybody in that world.
Re: Poll: How Do You Feel About The Last of Us Part 2, 5 Years Later?
Terrible story. Like...I was okay with what they did in first part of game. But if you getting rid of one of the main reasons why first game was so great, you need to be damn sure you will replace it with something as interesting. And they failed spectacularly.
Game was just too damn long. Gameplay wasn't nearly as complex or interesting to warrant 25+ hours playthrough. They could throw away half of characters and half of levels and game would be way better.
Some parts of the game was just terrible because of lack of pace. Mainly those "open-ended semi-linear" parts like Seattle. That ties to gameplay mechanics, but pace during those parts was just awful.
Visuals are top notch and are holding pretty nicely even after 5 years.
Overall? It was "okay" game. But bitterly disappointing after first game and probably weakest ND game since first Uncharted.
Re: The Next Xbox Is a PC, So What Does That Mean for PS6?
So, device that will try to offer ease of use of consoles with flexibility of PC? With access to PC content (with PC ports of PlayStation games?) And will have Game Pass?
I'm more than interested...
Re: Final Fantasy 16 May Have Underperformed on PS5, But It's Doing Terribly on Xbox
Yeah. True shocker. Square was telling Xbox players to buy PS consoles to play FF since 2020 (when Remake came out). Not to mention they came with FFXVI two years after initial release.
It's truly "reap what you sow" lol.
Re: Xbox to Blame for The Outer Worlds 2's Devastating $80 PS5 Price Point
Considering Xbox games goes on sale pretty often and soon after release (Oblivion remaster is 20% off just 2 months after release), I kinda don't see problem.
People (especially here) complained that FH5 is being released at full price 3 years after initial release and yet, people bought that game in droves. So much so that it sold more copies on PlayStation 5 than AC Shadows lol.
So charge more for impatient and then catch rest of people with 20% off seems like obvious thing to do. It's not like Nintendo, when you would need to wait years for any kind of deal.
Also...you know...there is a Game Pass if you complain about price too much And anybody who thinks Sony won't follow should probably wake from their dream. Ghost of Yotei would be last non-live service PS game that will be sold for current price. Also. Price is going up only in certain territories (USA). I noticed that in my territory, The Outer Worlds 2 cost same as Avowed.
Re: 'People Are Less Willing to Pay': Dev Speaks Out Against Day One Releases on PS Plus, Xbox Game Pass
It's hilarious to complain about "Game Pass as a threat to game industry" when most-played chart on every platform is literally dominated by free-to-play games lol.
But I guess, narrative must go on, right?
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
@ChrisDeku That's why I said it was way worse Xbox Showcase than last two years . Live service segments a stuff like GoW Reloaded were primary reason. Black Ops 7 should have been at start, not "one more thing." FF stuff should not be there, because announcing port of 5 years old game during your biggest showcase is just dumb. All that stuff should have been replaced by at least two high-profile first-party games. Especially since Spencer already confirmed that Fable, GoW E-Day, Forza Horizon 6 and Halo CE Remake will release next year.
They showed three new first party games, that weren't announced before (Grounded 2, Black Ops 7 and Keeper) and all of them will be released this year, gave release dates to two other already announced first-party games (The Outer Worlds 2 and Ninja Gaiden 4), while NG4 was announced this year. Basically only first-party game without date was Clockwork Revolution, which majority of people consider best game in Showcase .
So you basically took Clockwork Revolution and pretend that it is the case for every first-party game lol. Meanwhile Xbox have (barring exception towards stuff showed in 2020, when they were desperate to announce everything because they didn't have enough studios) been pretty quick with releases after announcements. DOOM: TDA was released less then year after announcement. Indy was announced and release in same year. Age of Mythology Retold year after. Oblivion Remastered was released same day lol.
It's especially hilarious in context of State of Play that you praised. Which showed teaser for another State of Play (Ghost of Yotei), games that were already announced and in some cases already had a release date (Metal Gear Solid Delta, Silent Hill f, Baby Steps and Pragmata). Not to mention fact that Pragmata was announced 5 years ago. And we can't forget update for existing game (Astro Bot). So...double standard?
What I said wasn't outlandish. If you take scores on public pools, majority of people agree that it was XBShowcase - SGF - SOP in terms of quality. It wasn't a huge difference between them, at least not for me. But it was still there. Obviously, you can have different subjective opinion.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
@ChrisDeku I mean. You can check Geoff's pool
Considering how much Xbox "has no games" it's pretty interesting that they have best showcases year after year
But I guess those are probably paid users.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
@Don_Corleone Are you a person or AI? Because wall of the slop you just wrote made me think that this isn't a thing someone wrote.
I was talking about showcases. Nothing more, nothing less. If you need to go on tangent because of that and extrapolate your poor attempt to weigh in into Xbox vs. PlayStation ecosystem, that's just your problem lol.
If you think that I'm loosing my sleep over Xbox porting their games onto PlayStation, you are barking on a wrong tree mate. I truly don't care. I own Series X and PS5 and prefer Xbox because of Game Pass. If that change, I will change my main platform. I'm going where better deal is.
It's also hilarious that you are crying about "4 of the same games year after year," because last time I checked, Xbox has pretty great variety in terms of new IP's. Just this year, they launched 3 of them. Also it's hilarious that PlayStation guys a frothing about those "dead IP's" so much that Forza Horizon 5 is one of the best selling games on PlayStation this year
But please, go on. It's honestly hilarious.
Re: Round Up: What Was Announced for PS5 at Xbox Games Showcase?
Xbox had a best showcase, not because it was great, but because all other were rather poor.
It was okay, but nowhere near great as last two years. But since Spencer already teased Fable, Gears E-Day, Forza Horizon 6 and Halo CE Remake for next year, I'm not that mad tbh.
Clockwork Revolution looks like best game ever and my wet dream coming true. But even with Grounded 2, ToW2, Ninja Gaiden 4, that Double Fine game and Black Ops 7 I expected way better showing from first party.
Which is honestly hilarious, because there were literally 7 first-party games shown during showcase and one expansion (for Indy) and still I'm thinking that there wasn't enough. There was just too much stuff missing from them that probably should have been there. Stuff like State of Decay 3, Everwild or Fable. And also...that live service segments should die already. Like, I know that Sea of Thieves is still popular and same is true for TESO and Fallout 76. But please...why in Showcase?
Re: PS5's Brilliant New State of Play Breaks Records for Sony
@ChrisDeku MS showed 12 first-party games last year. From which they already released 8 (again, not counting expansions). Sprinkling some stuff that is further away when you already have stacked release cadence is not a bad thing in slightest.
It's not like everything they showed is releasing in 5 years lol. From "not released" games there are Fable, GoW E-Day, State of Decay 3 and Perfect Dark. All of those games (outside PD) will be out this or next year.
Re: PS5's Brilliant New State of Play Breaks Records for Sony
@ChrisDeku Poll on Twitter by Geoff Keighley speaks for itself
A: 24,2%
B: 26,8%
C: 20,9%
D: 28,1%
Meanwhile PS Showcase 2021 which had almost exact same length but had way more first-party content
A: 52,6%
B: 30,2%
C: 10,9%
D: 6,2%
So much for "fake narratives" lol
Look. It's okay to say "I personally thought that this show was great." But to claim that general audience don't have expectations they are clearly have is just dumb.
This State of Play was okay. Nothing more, nothing less. Sony did way better shows in the past and probably will do way better shows in future. So I absolutely can't go higher then B, maybe even C. And general audience agrees.
Re: PS5's Brilliant New State of Play Breaks Records for Sony
@Titntin Best rated shows are always those who have exciting first-party content. That is the case with Nintendo, that is the case with Sony and also with Xbox. That's why PlayStation's E3 2016 is such a treat. Because they showed God of War, Horizon, Days Gone, Detroit Become Human all in one show. That's why last year's Xbox Showcase was praised. You can say it's "dumb," but it's just true.
"Why even watch it if you dont care for anything other than 1st party, it was clearly stated they would be showing games from their publishing partners?"
That's on Sony. When they had "Showcase" and "State of Play," people were able to manage their expectations. They knew, that Showcase is big show for first-party content. But Sony forgot to make Showcases and started folding first-party content into State of Play format. So people are obviously expecting first-party content in State of Play. And when they are not getting one, they are disappointed. It's not rocket science lol.
Exciting first-party announcements are "creme de la creme" of first-party shows. Pretending like this wasn't a case in the past is revisionism of history. That's why every single Xbox show from 2016-2020 (outside of 2018) sucked so hard. Because while they shown great announcements, they always lacked first-party content.
But it's honestly hilarious that "fist-party doesn't matter" opinions started forming in exactly same time, when Sony started to have less and less first-party content in their shows. To that I will say that best part of 2021 PlayStation Showcase were last 10 minutes when they showed Wolverine, Gran Turismo 7, Spider-Man 2 and God of War Ragnarok. And those 10 minutes are the reason why 2021 PS Showcase is best PS show in last 5 years.
Re: PS5's Brilliant New State of Play Breaks Records for Sony
@Oram77 No, they are not.
I know that people will bring "showcase vs. state of play argument," but if shows like E3 2016 is A (which is basically gold standard currently), they how on Earth you can give this show anything better than B?
Sony themselves had plenty of way better shows. Not to mention Xbox showcases which were just excellent in last 2 years. Basically, Xbox had more first-party content in their auxiliary show (Developer_Direct) then Sony had during this State of Play. In showcase last year, they had 12 first-party games, not including expansions.
Basically, people are primarily watching PlayStation presentations for new first-party content. And there isn't much first-party content there. So people are not happy. And "cherry on top" was announcement of announcement of Ghost of Yotei lol. I don't understand why Sony just couldn't wait for July and include Ghost of Yotei presentation into one coherent State of Play.
You can't train your audience on first-party story-driven content and then just not show content like that. And if you don't have that content ready, then just wait lol. Nintendo was also criticized for Switch 2 direct because of lack of new first-party reveals.
Re: Black Myth: Wukong's Secret PS5 Exclusivity Saga Rages Again
@ChrisDeku You mean fake story where even Sony execs admitted that they have helped with Black Myth Wukong while mentioning Genshin Impact, Stray and Stellar Blade in same sentence . (all of games being timed/permanent exclusives on PlayStation)
Like, you can talk about "imaginary friends" however you want, but you are hardly beating allegations of some kind of deal, when you are releasing your game on other platform exactly one year after it came to PS5. All while Phil Spencer was talking that he knows when game will come out to Xbox, but he can't talk about it publicly lol (for obvious reasons).
Also, it's hilarious to talk about Paul Tassi's "imaginary friends" when even IGN reporters and Imran Khan (former GameInformer reporter) were talking about some kind of deal (technical support for period of exclusivity). But okay mate.
But it must be a hell of an optimisation work on Series S version that it took exactly one year to be completed
But everybody can reach it's own conclusion obviously.
Re: Elden Ring Nightreign Has No PS5 Pro Improvements At All
Who is surprised exactly? Every From Soft game (maybe outside of Sekiro) was technological disaster with poor framerates and technological quality of visuals.
Re: Rumour: Greek God of War Game Is a 2.5D Metroidvania
This will be a prime example where "insiders" are doing more harm than good.
When talks about God of War greece spin-off first arrived, many were thinking about Lost Legacy style game built on assets from new God of War games. So while I adore this genre, I think many people will be disappointed by this reveal.
Re: Stellar Blade's PC Demo Peaks Higher Than Some Blockbuster Games, Runs Flawlessly
It's almost like demo is free lol and Indy cost 80€
Re: HBO's The Last of Us Sees a Dramatic Decline in Season 2 Finale Viewers
No surprise there. Pascal was heart of the show and when he is gone, there was nobody able to fill that void. Like in game.
Also, Ramsay was just bad casting choice. She was somewhat okay in first series where she was meant to be younger. But she is just not believable at her current role, I'm sorry. I have plenty of gripes with story of second game, but one thing I couldn't complain about was Johnson's performance. But Ramsay is just bad...
Probably only saving grace is that third series is meant to focus on Abby, because Dever was probably best thing about this series.
Re: It's Over! FTC Drops Its Case Against Microsoft's Activision Buyout
@get2sammyb Well. As a Game Pass subscriber I'm surely not complaining lol.
Re: Apr 2025 USA Sales: PS5 Ports Award Microsoft's Forza Horizon 5, Indiana Jones Huge Boosts
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Re: Apr 2025 USA Sales: PS5 Ports Award Microsoft's Forza Horizon 5, Indiana Jones Huge Boosts
@Oram77 So? All projects were funded by Microsoft so we can probably stop with whole "but they bought them."
Nobody cares that Sony bought Bungie lol. Marathon IS Sony game and is counted as such.
Re: Neil Druckmann Confirms Involvement in Second Unannounced Naughty Dog Project
@twitchtvpat No it won't be.
Jason Schreier (probably best sourced journalist in games industry) literally said that ND showed "early peek" at game and they will not release it in either 2025 nor 2026. So it's 2027 at earliest.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/1jjzlpg/jason_schreier_neither_intergalactic_or_the/
He said same thing about Witcher 4, as both games were shown during TGA.
If you are expecting Intergalactic next year you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
Re: Apr 2025 USA Sales: PS5 Ports Award Microsoft's Forza Horizon 5, Indiana Jones Huge Boosts
@Oram77 Mate, Microsoft released four first-party games since start of the year, not counting PS5 ports. And it's only May. They already have other four announced for rest of the year + obvious Call of Duty.
That's nine games. In 12 months...
Re: Neil Druckmann Confirms Involvement in Second Unannounced Naughty Dog Project
Since Intergalactic is 2027 title (at best) this is probably for PS6 lol.
It's pretty insane that ND went from studio that made 4 big games, one expansion and one huge standalone from 2010 to 2020 to studio that is barely scraping 2 projects in 10 years.
Re: Inquiry Already Underway Over Lacklustre DOOM: The Dark Ages Opening
Yeah. Let's make a big deal about Steam numbers when game is also available on
Battle.net (which has huge number of customers)
Xbox app on PC
Game Pass service
not to mention fact that Eternal was released when everybody was forced to stay home during pandemic
But I guess that's too much of a nuance for PushSquare
Re: PS5 First-Party Game Sales Will Increase Over Next Year, Sony Says
@SMJ No lol. Not in terms of how you are counting revenue from those games.
Do you think Nintendo counts sales of Metroid Dread or Metroid Prime 4 in different "bucket?" No. Those sales are counted in category of first-party sales.
Yes, you don't own studios that are making those games, but you are usually a publisher and also lended dev team supporting studios that you own (like XDev). It's strange to try to count them in different way in you financial report lol.
Re: PS5 First-Party Game Sales Will Increase Over Next Year, Sony Says
@PuppetMaster Intergalactic will not release in 2026 per Jason Schreier. He said that trailer was "early sneek peak" and game will be out in 2027 at earliest.
Wolverine was slated for 2026 per Insomniac leak.
Considering Sony literally cancelled Bend's and Bluepoint's games in January, there is 0% chance they will release something (new) next year.
Re: GTA 6's New Release Date Raises Concerns It Might Slip Again Beyond May 2026
"Game may get delayed again" is probably biggest non-news story ever. Like...this is true for every game
More interesting part of article is other publishers/devs scrambling and playing 4D chess with guessing what to do with their own games. It's hilarious ngl. Investing hundreds of millions to your new shiny game just to get shat on by Rockstar Games.
Re: Reaction: Game Key PS5 Discs Are a Disgrace, and Sony Should Put a Stop to Them
Since Nintendo (as a really backwards ass company) literally hop on board to this whole thing with, do you really think Sony would do anything lol?
Sony also wants people in digital ecosystem instead of buying physical (for obvious reasons). So do anybody thinks that they will do anything against that?
Also, it's literally "niche within a niche" problem. Physical sales are dropping regardless and people who will refuse to buy a game if it's not "fully playable from disc" is small percentage of already small percentage of players who are buying physical edition of games. So I doubt Sony, Microsoft, Ubisoft etc. cares at all.
Re: PS5 Fans Furious As Microsoft Ships DOOM: The Dark Ages with Just 85MB on the Disc
@Onelastgo So it doesn't matter because
1. game cover clearly states that game requires download. So if they don't know how to read properly, it's probably their problem
2. Since they already bought the game, they will proceed to do what is necessary to play it
COD games are doing this ***** every year and they are almost always best selling games during year. So if 30 million of COD owners can do this, I don't understand where exactly is the problem. And impact by people refusing to buy a game because it is not playable from disc is clearly small enough, that publishers don't care.
Re: Just Like the Game, The Last of Us 2's TV Adaptation Is Getting Review Bombed
Bella Ramsey is probably one of the biggest miscasts that I remember. It kinda worked in first season (because Ellie was younger), but in second season I don't believe a single moment she is in...
Re: Rumour: DOOM: The Dark Ages PS5's Physical Edition May Require a Download to Start
@Nepp67 Because if they didn't make physical copy, people would bitch more and would result in lost sales.
So they are making minimum effort. Just a few people here and there will refuse to buy DOOM because it is essentially "game key" disc. Same as with Call of Duty, Indy, Forza Horizon 5 and plenty of other games.
Majority of people who are buying this game physically are doing it for purpose of selling the game after they are done or collecting it. Both of those parameters are fulfilled even in this format. Also, majority of people just don't care at all. They see game on shelf, they will buy it and do necessary steps needed to play it.
Let's face it. People who care about physical games and games being complete on the disc are huge minority inside another huge minority.
Re: Sony's New First-Party Studio Working on Lighthearted Team-Based Action Game for PS5
@get2sammyb Which is not saying much, because Sony also saw a lot of promise with Concord. So much promise that they bought entire studio...
Re: Halo the Final PS5 Holdout of Xbox's Historic Big Three
I would not be against Microsoft porting Halo Infinite to PlayStation 5 even as a gamer who spend 90% on Xbox (rest is PS5).
If not whole game, at least MP. MP has excellent amount of content and is in great shape, but is also in dire need of influx of new players.
Re: Xbox's Gears of War: Reloaded Will Play Best on PS5 Pro
@JustMyOpinion "why so argumentative about objectively false headline that's only purpose is to drive engagement"
Do you need an answer lol?