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Just curious but is artefact actually spelled with an E in the game over there? And before anyone points it out, I know it is correctly spelled that way in British English but I'm asking specifically if it's that way in the game.

@RedRiot193 You're telling others how to consume their media. You're even getting salty over it. I can't think of anything more nonsensical.

Every story starts in media res so yeah, it really will be okay even if you play Tlou p2 first.

@RedRiot193 I think you're taking this way too serious. They're video games. Everything's gonna be okay if you don't play the first 3. Uncharted 4 plays fine on its own. As does Lost Legacy.

@SinfulDestroyer yes this specific collection of game + dlc that already existed for years became available in January, so it could be ported to PC. But in no way is this a new release.

Why does it need to include multiplayer when you can already play the multiplayer? I still don't get this criticism.

@thefourfoldroot1 was just gonna point to their 14 percent dip.

Also some of the profit gains were related to currency fluctuations apparently. So there's that as well.

@sanderson72 one can surely make an educated guess without official numbers and we do know from the investor report that the price was below manufacturing costs. No concrete reason to believe the recent price hike charged that.

And yeah there's selling at a loss and recouping on software sales but there's still only so much loss they can tolerate I'm sure. It can't just be any amount of loss.

@WadeIsInsane @BoldAndBrash I still don't get it. Is the name of the studio Amy Henning?

Honestly the rollout hasn't been strange, it's just been... Sony.

What about the French VAs? Or is it the same actors? Kinda assumed it wasn't but I only ever played it in French so not sure and there's no mention of it in the article.

Not a camo guy at all but doesn't look that bad to me. I could see the appeal if I were into that, or, basically if I played CoD.

I'm just hoping/waiting for game-themed covers. That's the only thing that doesn't look tacky on a console imo.

I'm enjoying it. The improvements they've made really do breath new life into the game. I mean pretty much every area is the same and yet somehow new and different. Some more than others. Like you're just there like, was this always a post office because I don't remember this being a post office. Things like that. Like really fantastic work. Lighting is just loads better as well.

The facial animations too just really add a whole other layer of emotion to the cutscenes. Like the prologue, the Capitol building, etc... the scenes just hit different. It's like Part 2 but it's the original. More is conveyed now. It's that simple.

The AI seems a little smarter but playing on hard I still find it's still fairly easy to lure them around like idiots. Not to say I'm not ever caught up with and killed but I'm not seeing a huge difficulty spike or anything. I have tried to dodge numerous times though because it just frankly looks so much like 2 and plays so much smoother so that's been actually kinda frustrating lol.

It's just such a vast improvement I can't imagine ever going back to Remastered now. Well I actually did start it up for comparisons sake and oh my, does it look terrible now. Even before the remake came out I argued it looked dated but with the PS5 game now in existence it's really no longer a debate.

All that said I still think it was crazy I had to pay $70 for this game. Just wish it wasn't one I loved so much so I could have put it off for a sale.

@Futureshark yeah I think it's more so to show Sony support how it's supposed to arrive, since apparently they don't know.

@Futureshark funny you post that tweet because the person is actually providing a picture of how it should have arrived in order to help those whose products were poorly packaged, instead of trying to be obstinate for basically no reason.

@huyi a car can literally be a collectors item. https://jalopnik.com/dodge-reveals-first-of-seven-limited-edition-last-call-1849452854

https://www.gtplanet.net/gt7-limited-toyota-yaris-20220217/

@huyi they are getting refunds and keeping the busted product. that's, that's not sucker cash grab territory really. that's called losing money.

How much it cost does not matter. Every dealership in the country is over charging way above MSRP for cars but this doesn't mean on delivery they can wreck it on the way to your house and say it's okay because you're a sucker for over-paying.

I don't understand why some of you are like this. Yes, the game is over priced. Can we like, move on from that now that it's out?

@riceNpea I'm reminded of that joke where a British person and American are in an elevator arguing over the correct word for it. American says elevator because they invented it (I don't even know if this is true but it's a joke so I go with it) and the Brit says no it's a lift because they invented the language.

@riceNpea @Smiffy01 oh yeah like I absolutely get it meant drunk first, I just don't get why. As you'd think it might be somewhat related to the word piss. Just think it's funny is all, the use of pissed in both contexts is just odd.

"Pissed probably sound more effective as a conveyance of annoyance because it's primarily thought of as a swear word"

Yeah it's pretty much exactly this. Swear words are also fascinating to me. Like the idea of a taboo word.... man we're a strange lot. Makes sense when it's a pejorative of course but just an offensive word for no reason? Bizarre.

But yeah, pissed off works here too. It just usually gets shortened.

@riceNpea Miffed is a funny one because I remember watching a TV edited movie some time ago and they used this in place of some other word that might scar children or whatever. Joked about that for a while. It's just not really a word that anyone uses with any level of seriousness.

Irked and peeved also don't quite reflect an adequate level of anger either. They're more annoyed.

Don't know what it is but pissed really just perfectly captures the near apoplectic rage one was feeling when they recount an anger-inducing experience. It makes absolutely no sense mind you but how it came to mean sloshed is also a mystery to me.

@OthmaneAD yeah that has nothing to do with shipping. however over priced you think something is, you still have a right to receive it in like new condition, as it's y'know new.

@riceNpea lol. took me a minute to understand what you're saying. I forget y'all mean drunk.

These bubble mailer envelopes are a scourge. Not good for documents but not good enough protection for anything else. But when you're a cash-strapped reseller I get it. Still wish everyone would stop using them but I get it.

But this? Just absolutely no excuse for Sony to be pulling off this amateur crap.

They sent these out in envelopes? That's a secondhand eBay/Mercari move right there.

So much salt over a video game release. I wish my concerns were so few that I could get bothered over this but man, it really does not make the list. Even if this sets some precedent where all subsequent video game releases are just over-priced remakes I still can't say it really sours the quality of my life. Idk, maybe it's an age thing?

@Northern_munkey do you have friends to play it with or are you comfortable jumping in to play with whoever?

If yes to either then maybe, if it's cheap enough. Game is okay. It's like one of those arcade games where you walk through and you shoot at swarms of things that pop out, but with friends/other people.

And if the answer is no to both then definitely don't buy it. Taking this game on single player couldn't be more boring.

@pyrrhic_victory yeah the option would be nice I suppose. not sure where it'd fit in the narrative though. Even knowing I'm about to marathon Part I, II, and Left Behind over the weekend I'm not sure where to put Left Behind.

@pyrrhic_victory I'd kinda prefer it separate.

@Octane that's because in situations like this your memory can't be trusted. It's the same way when I go back and try to watch a DVD thinking "well, used to watch these all the time, how bad could it look?"

@Shadcai this has Left Behind included, yes.

@jamescrowx You say that but, imagining back 9 years ago, man does it look like a completely different world.

Sure feels like a long time ago to me anyway.

@JaapV Nothing about the story will have changed. Even if there are some minor changes, I don't think they'd change what you're talking about anyway because it's integral to the story going forward. Also don't think the game's selling point was ever "agency" fwiw.

@NEStalgia I'm not particularly fond of the Switch either to be perfectly honest, not unless it's docked and I'm using whatever they call that black controller. And even then I'm not going to play anything but Mario on it.

Otherwise y'all can keep your $1000 phones (I have a Maestro Max that I think was $70), your Kishis and Backbones, and anything else handheld/mobile related. I'm good with my giant TV, conventional console and comfy couch. But if I do get the rare urge to play Farmville Country Escape I'll use a PC from the same sofa.

Edit: that's not to knock the preferences of others. I've got no problem with the existence of a mobile gaming market but yes, it could definitely be less scummy.

I just for the life of me don't understand the appeal of playing games on mobile. The platform is just so limiting. That said, I get it's popular and generates loads of revenue so I can't blame Sony. And I'm optimistic they can handle more than one thing personally but we'll see.

Doesn't really mean much for me if the console itself is still as gargantuan - I mean if any console were ever in need of a slim amirite - but if this means increased availability going forward that's good.

Weird to come back to this thread and read a "I scalp but really I wanna smash the system" stance.

@AlwaysCorrect we learned at the feet of masters my friend, at least when it comes to war.

Junk food, on the other hand, yeah that's all us.

@jmoss you're not wrong there. I could live with that assessment, that they could have gotten away with a price bump if they'd throw in six months of plus essential or something.

@Ralizah but yeah at the end of the day if people feel anger then they feel anger. Who am I to say what the correct reaction is. I mostly just proffered that one could view Nintendo's higher priced upgraded model as an earlier increase. Even if, as @serpenterror also argues, one feels the extra features justify the additional cost well, I mean, they still decided to slap it together to warrant charging more. Not like they needed to release it. Switch had been selling fine regardless. But why settle for x amount of money when you can make more?

I do recognize that the situations are different though to be sure as I agree this is unprecedented. But then these are seemingly unprecedented times. And with basic necessities where they are at price wise, I just can't muster anything more than ambivalence toward Sony over this. Really I just want a house but I don't know who exactly to yell at concerning our nationwide housing shortage and high interest rates. But I digress.

Certainly a tablet only option would be nice. I won't argue with that. I'm not really one for handhelds myself which is probably why I have such a sour view on the premium priced OLED model. There isn't much improvement there for me.

@Ralizah point taken on Sony being the anomaly there. Really thought Microsoft took a similar route with their upgraded Xboxes, which I honestly couldn't keep track of if my life depended on it, but if you say they were more then okay, yeah, fair enough. I still don't think the Oled Switch is worth the extra $50 but I already conceded that's for each individual to decide.

But I still don't get anger as a response, no. All of these companies are making amoral, calculated profit- driven business decisions. If the numbers change tomorrow to justify a price hike for Nintendo or Microsoft (based on whatever internal parameters they have set for that), they'll most likely do it.

To really bring it around to where I view it I'd have to go back to the OLED switch. It's simply too expensive for me. Do I hate Nintendo? Have I sworn off of them like some are doing right here in the comments with Sony? Lol, no. These companies aren't making insulin for heaven's sake. They're consumer electronics and where they set their prices aren't personal. Should Nintendo come down a little I'd probably buy the newer console.

On the flip side, if I didn't have a PS5 already and I lived somewhere it went up too much, yeah I might not buy it. It's the same way with vehicles. I own a Tundra. It's old. The engine went out. It's too expensive to fix and the cost of a new Tundra is hilariously high. So do I put a hex on Toyota and devote my life to hating them or do I move on and find a different model?

@Ralizah so market conditions existed for Nintendo to be basically the only console maker to not release their refreshed console at their base console's original price and that's justification enough but no market conditions exist to justify what Sony has just done? I'm a little perplexed by that yes.

Also inflation wasn't anywhere near full swing when Nintendo decided to charge more for a console that really could have just been $299 given its age (upgraded kickstand and all).

So in conclusion, what I'm saying, and what I said in the beginning, is yes Nintendo isn't raising their price because they already did when they released their upgraded console (years later) at more than the price of their launch console, which no one else typically does. That's the comparison I'm making here.

@Ralizah weird because in a similar situation, with no historic worldwide inflation, Sony gave us the Pro for $399. Obviously a higher end product than the base PS4 but they didn't ask more for it. Only in relation to the base console's reduced cost, unlike Nintendo who didn't reduce base model's cost and thus asked more for the oled version - that's not greed?

Now yes, the PS5 hasn't changed but the cost to make them likely has. Hence the price hike. Just like everything else on the market right now.

**And yeah Nintendo isn't raising their price because it's been high for awhile now. And seriously y'all... give MS some time.

@Ralizah But all the other unchanged components would be cheaper to manufacture. Look, I personally don't see justification for it being more (it's why I decided against getting one despite having a wife who plays exclusively in handheld mode) but obviously everyone's outlook on that could differ.

I was merely adding perspective that historically speaking aging consoles go down in price over time. And when we had a cycle that warranted a refresh, those upgraded console (for both MS and Sony) took on the price point of the aging console.

To not see Nintendo's decision to ask an additional $50 as a tad greedy (and to not lower their initial launch price of the OG Switch to boot) but then see this as Sony being the devil in corporate form just seems a little weird to me.

Oh and sorry if you got a reply notification that wasn't there. I was mid rant and I inadvertently hit reply before done lol.

@Futureshark this Sony business prompted people to ask competitors in the market if they had any plans to raise prices. Those competitors released statements as to their intentions in this regard. That's quite literally news.

@shred5 I really think the PS4 to PS4 Pro vs. Switch to Switch OLED comparison makes more sense because they were both mid cycle refreshers where the original system was improved upon and in Sony's case, released at the same price whilst lowering the price of the original system. The Switch Lite just does less so it's naturally cheaper.

The original Switch still being at the same launch price is like a de facto price increase to be honest.

@rockodoodle I hear ya, there was just no reason to charge more for a console of that age for some slight improvements. Like the PS4 launched at $399 and so did the Pro.

@get2sammyb But I recall a lot of folks being shocked and appalled at Nintendo's decision to not just set their barely refreshed handheld at the original Switch's price point. Everyone's clearly over it now and acting like Sony's the first company to want to make buckets of money.

I don't like corporations and I'm not here to white knight for them but the response to all this has been a tad unhinged imo.

This seems to ignore that Nintendo already raised the price via their OLED model.

A certain to be CGI nightmare with the writer of Lost Girl and Sorority Wars in charge of story... sign me up!

It is what it is as far as I'm concerned. Not saying this is a welcome development but it's far from price gouging. Now if you wanna raise the pitchforks at oil companies, healthcare industry, energy sector, mondelez and the like... I'm all for it. That's gouging. This is just how luxury items be sometimes.

@Royalblues but wouldn't you agree it's worse to raise prices on things people absolutely have to buy? which is what just about every company is doing. just hard to muster up much outrage at Sony for raising the price of a game system when I'm going broke every time I do that extravagant thing I do each week known as buying food for my family.

@KidBoruto thanks.

@get2sammyb I'm confused then, is this a new game entirely or a reworking of the original Layers of Fear?