themaladroit

Still in the "nah, I'll skip it" group here

No and i won't get one. Ask this question to people in Brazil, where this console is costing a staggering 7K right now lol this is just the console without the detachable disc drive, that is costing 600 bucks (probably more now)
By far one of the most expensive consoles I've ever seen in Brazil

If anything, most people here will probably start buying PS4s (the ones that are left) or even build PCs (although they'll probably be weaker than a base PS5). Besides, the Pro already has a 2020 CPU with only 10% boost. I'm not sure that this will be enough to carry this console until 2027, especially in CPU bound games. Obviously we'll see improvements in performance with recent games, but i believe that in 2 years performance won't be as good as now

My next console will be a PS6 and that's it

@Titntin my logic is that when someone reads a comment that is tagging another user, they probably read the whole interaction before saying anything, so that's why i said what i said and that's why i said i wasn't hating on them too, and now you're aware of that .

Thing is, in Brazil gaming is a very expensive hobby. Today we found out that the PS5 Pro here will cost 7.000 reais, that's almost 7x the minimum wager here. That's a lot of money, like...A LOT. A detachable disc drive is costing around 600 reais. A brand new AAA game costs 350 reais. When i criticize them or any gaming company, i do so with these things in mind. I love my PS5, way more than i expected, but I'm definitely not fond of some stuff Sony is doing.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying your point of view

@Titntin you replied to the only person that had replied to me, and you said to them "No point talking sense mate people here to hate and they aint gonna get off that train anytime soon." assuming that my criticism was me hating on them, even though i wasn't, if you were talking about anyone else (or everyone in general) then you wouldn't have replied to him specifically. I know i don't have to explain anything to you, because I'm allowed to say whatever i think about this situation, but what i don't appreciate is people misinterpreting what I'm saying (gonna give the benefit of the doubt here).

You have your opinion, and i have mine. You can disagree with me, just don't assume what my intentions are if you don't know them. If i was "hating on them" i wouldn't even have a PlayStation in my house. And the fact that some people are being more harsh towards Sony's decision shouldn't affect other Playstation users at all, it's not as if anyone here works at Sony (at least as far as i know). Some won't care about this whole situation, some will criticize, some will criticize more, that's how things are.

@Titntin I'm not hating them, I'm criticizing them. I'm a PlayStation fan when i have to, now I'm being a customer criticizing what i think it's not right, in my opinion. I don't have to like everything they do

@PsBoxSwitchOwner well, you'd still be spending money on the PS4 version anyway and also paying the upgrade, and this is a 1st party game, so they're getting all the profit. They just want more money here. At least they're letting people that got this game for free to upgrade (not my case, i bought the game full price back in 2018)

@Intr1n5ic that's also a very good point

"Increasing the price like this, especially after almost six years, seems a little harsh." A little? Let's be honest here, game prices are supposed to go down as time goes by, not the other way around. Sony is being greedy here.

I hate when stuff like this happens. It reminds me of Steam and their "regional pricing" thing, that made 5 year old games get a significant price bump here in Brazil. That's when i started buying most PC games on Epic Games (at least the ones that aren't Steam exclusive)

"It’s likely we’re seeing the origins of the PS6 here" this is something that is interesting to me, and that's why I'm pretty much done buying new hardware this generation of console. Gonna wait for the PS6

I'll gladly buy a PS6 to play this game at a decent framerate, for sure, but not a PS5 Pro

It's crazy how i went from "i might upgrade my console to this" to "why would i sell my PS5 with disc drive to buy a console without one, which will cost me an additional 600 bucks (i live in Brazil, baby!) + the amount remaining to complete the full price of the Pro (which we still don't know how much will it be in Brazil, but we guess something around 5.500-6.000 bucks which is A LOT)"

I reached a point where i really need to ask myself if the money I'll spend on these things are worth the effort, and to me, personally, it isn't. Same goes for unnecessary Remasters.

This is on my wishlist and I'll definitely gonna play it. I own most of their games on my PS4/PS5 and they never miss the mark. I'm happy for them!

@Killionaire @species thank you both for the reply. I'll definitely keep an eye on this game when it's on sale so i can grab it and play it. By then, I'm pretty sure more content will be available, which is even better

@TicklefistCP indeed i am (or we are haha). I'm also glad that Don't Nod released a patch to play this game at 60fps on PS5. They could've just ignore this game and move on, but they didn't and that's very nice of them

Can i play the PvE missions (not the campaign) on my own? I don't have anyone to play with me and if I'm getting this game, i want to do everything it has to offer because damn, this one is very expensive here in Brazil. 350 reais is a lot here and i don't plan on subscribe to PS Plus, but if the game is fun and can be played mostly solo, then I'll definitely think about getting it in the future

I'm actually playing Banishers right now, and I'm over 60h already. I'm really enjoying my time with it. The main characters are very likeable and their relationship really solid. The haunting cases are very interesting, they're all quite different from one another, even if some of them are predictable. I like solving these cases and getting to decide at the end of each one of them if i banish or ascend the ghosts (or do worse with the living). I also like that some of these cases actually connects with the main story, and i like how every now and them (based on a choice that i made) the game points its finger at me to remind me how sh*tty i am

The exploration is pretty much God of Warlite (2018) and the combat is OK, even though it can be quite frustrating at times when you're facing tougher foes. Voice acting is top notch. Most dialogues are really well written. Performance is kinda mid, but this is one of those Unreal Engine 5 games (aka the most unstable engine ever) so i can get past the framerate drops

If the last part of the game is as good as the rest of it and if the story ends on a high note, then this can be easily a 9/10 for me and my personal GOTY contender

It's funny how i hated Life is Strange so much to the point that i consider it top 5 worst games i ever played, and yet Vampyr and this game here, especially, are very very very good

Too bad it didn't sell so well. People need to know about this game more

@Odium thank you for the reply! Yes, I'm usually OK with less than stellar performance. This game isn't that fast, so I'm OK with some framerate drops

@Romans12 yes, Xbox Series X is more powerful than PS5, though the gap between the two isn't that big like it was in the last gen. However, the Xbox doesn't always perform better than PS5, something that DF videos have been showing every now and then. That's why i usually watch DF videos to know more about these games (not that it'll make a big difference for me since i only own a PS5 and i don't plan on buying a Xbox or even a Pro)

@springer17 yeah, i think i could play this one in Quality Mode, since its gameplay is more focused on taking hordes of enemies rather than fast paced combat like Doom Eternal or something. I usually prefer performance, but this is the kind of game where i can see myself trying the other game mode

@Barry_vV yeah, i watched the video there and i was wondering if there were any improvements in performance by now. Doesn't seem to be the case. It's weird since Xbox Series X runs this game a bit better and it and PS5 aren't that different from one another, in terms of hardware power. But i hope they can improve performance, even if it's just a bit

Can anyone tell me how's performance? I'm not that strict with stable 60fps as long as i can still play the game relatively well. Games like FF7 Rebirth, Rise of the Ronin and Banishers Ghosts of New Eden all have framerate drops but i can play all of them fine. If performance in this game is something like this, then I'm OK

I tested FF16 for a few hours yesterday and Wednesday and didn't experience any visual glitches or crashes. In fact, i didn't experience any crashes or bugs in any of my games at all and I've been playing on PS5 every day since the update for 4-5h

I don't know if that's because I'm from Brazil and we didn't get some of the features that north americans are getting now in the latest firmware (Welcome Hub, for example) or if it's something else. Anyway, good to know that this issues has been sorted out

@Phelaidar thank you for the heads up. Gonna watch their video and see what they're talking about, including the negatives because i don't like when people BS around

This is old news. A PS5 version has been confirmed already on FS forums a while ago. Definitely prefer this game over Space Marine 2

As someone who played +60h of this game in Performance Mode on my simple 2012 1080p TV, i can already tell this console isn't for me. Selling my PS5 (non-digital version), to buy a Pro + a detachable disc drive (that costs 550 reais) + a stand (that costs around 50 reais) in Brazil is a complete nightmare that i won't ever want to go through. And we still don't know how much this thing will cost here (the non-digital base PS5 is costing around 3.500 reais, which is A LOT already)

Might as well save some money to either upgrade my PC or get a PS6 in 3 years

Nope, I'm good with my PS5

I'm good with my PS5. At least i can put discs in it and i have a stand lol
Not a substantial upgrade to me, and in less than 3 years people will be talking about the PS6, so it's not worth it for me

Yeah, i won't worry because i won't be buying

This is coming from the same person that gave most games i enjoyed (highly) questionable scores, so i would definitely take this opinion with a grain of salt as well. Can't wait to play this one!

This game still has issues on PC and it took a bunch of patches to run fine on consoles. I can't imagine how bad it'll probably run on old consoles. I just hope they have most of their team working on the sequel rather than this port

Been playing since the beta was available here in Brazil. It's hard af to master and you'll lose a lot if you're solo, but i can't deny it's fun. The only free to play game that i have on my PS5.

Well, there's the PC port already. Just port that version to PS5. I really wish companies would stop releasing games only on PC, especially ones like this or No More Heroes 1 and 2. These games were made for consoles in the first place, so they need to release these remasters on consoles sooner rather than later. I'm tired of keeping my Wii version of NMH2 and the PS3 version of NMH around, I'd rather have all these games on one PlayStation console. And yes, i do own Killer7 on PC, but i really want this game on a console

Give me one to play every week and I'll gladly do it, just don't make me play Dark Souls 2 or the first Lords of the Fallen ever again

@Dadou Lords of the Fallen (2023) has a similar mechanic. Apparently both worlds are rendered on top of each other in real time, since you can "see" the other world while holding a lamp and moving it around

Oh ***** yeah. I was hoping that one day we would be able to play these games again. Can't believe this is happening!!!!!

@tabascoag yep, i was gonna say that lol

@WaveBoy i thought about all of this already, and the thing is... everything is very complex, at least for me. I wished the PS5 would last until 2028, but we're still not sure if a PS6 will only come out at the end of 2028 or if PS5 will have Sony's support (like releasing 1st party exclusives) until 2028 but the PS6 will actually come out in 2027, for example. Most console generations last for 7 years, so the latter would make more sense to me.

Thing is, i live in Brazil. Consoles here are more expensive than NA or EU, even after converting dollars or euros to reais. Making an upgrade like that isn't something that most of us here take lightly. I also still trying to figure out how long PS5 will last so i can figure out what to do. PS4 is still going strong, but COVID affected chipset manufacturing, which affected PS5 production, making the console a little bit difficult to find until the end of 2022, i think. I'm not sure but i also think PS5 isn't that much cheaper now (because chips are still expensive) so most people are still on their PS4s and devs are aware of that and still releasing a bunch of games on PS4. There's also the whole free to play online stuff, that makes most people keep their PS4s. If a lot of people jump into the PS5 to the point where Sony doesn't feel the need to push a PS6 earlier, then they'll probably hold on to the PS5/PS5 Pro a lot longer, however if this console isn't as successful as PS4 then they will try to bring PS6 as soon as possible.

This generation is quite unusual, with the whole pandemic affecting consoles and now you have all these technologies like Frame Gen and VRR which can definitely make consoles like the base PS5 last even longer, and that without taking into consideration the new tech that Sony will use on Pro (that works like DLSS)

Anyway, imo 3 years isn't enough for me if the new console is costing around 5K here in Brazil (which i think it will be the case, since the base PS5 is costing around 3.700 reais now). Like i said, i still don't have a new TV with VRR support or 120Hz and that costs around 6-7K here, which is A LOT (minimum wage here is below 2K) and i feel like not having this kind of TV is actually hindering my enjoyment of my own console. I could play Immortals of Aveum with a decent framerate if i had a TV with 120Hz...so even if i wanted a Pro, i would first need to buy a TV

But like you said, it's all about choices and having fun. I have fun with my PS5 and i feel like i spent my money well. Regardless of what happens, I'm still looking forward to buy new games and enjoy what i can from my PS5

I don't really care when it's coming out because i don't really see a reason to upgrade it. I don't even have the money, but even if i had, i would need to think it over.

First, i don't even have a TV that supports VRR or 120Hz (which is something that can improve performance in some games like Alan Wake 2) and i think this is something that devs will rely more and more as time moves on. Also, if devs start to use Frame Gen a lot, we could have a lot of games running well even on base PS5 (as long as you have a 120Hz TV with VRR)

Second, even though not every game runs perfectly on PS5, the console itself is still running most games just fine and those that aren't running well won't necessarily run decently with the Pro if they're CPU bound (like Dragon's Dogma 2), since the Pro has a very small boost on the CPU clock... and i think GTA6 will be one of these CPU bound games, since pretty much every open world game is CPU bound

Third, i think buying a Pro now will not benefit me since I'm planning on getting a PS6, and i just prefer the leap between generations to be more substantial, otherwise i just feel like I'm spending money on the next big shiny thing and not taking advantage of anything properly. I just bought a PS5, buying a Pro and then in 3 years buying a PS6...? That doesn't work for me

@Oxy nope, you're right. Very barebones """review""" that doesn't explain a lot. I played the demo on Steam so i know what to expect. The combat can be a bit complex and the reviewer fails to mention that, for example. He doesn't explain the premise of the story. Doesn't say anything regarding performance, voice acting....
Games are expensive so you should expect more detailed reviews before making your decision and spend your money, regardless of the game and its scope. This whole mini review thing doesn't really help me to decide anything (except in this case, because, like i said, i played the demo, so i know what to expect)

I advice anyone interested in the game to just watch YouTube videos about it or read more detailed reviews and then form your own opinions

@Dusk_Actual I'm not gatekeeping anything and you're selling the wrong idea of this game. People need to be aware that they need to have fast reaction or else this will be a very boring and time consuming experience to them and console players aren't familiar with these kinds of online FPS games that resembles CSGO. If you don't agree with me, i don't care, just don't go tell me I'm discouraging anyone when I'm giving my honest opinion about this game. Anyone can try, but that doesn't mean everyone will succeed or even enjoy it because of its requirements.

@captainsandman you definitely need skills to play this game otherwise you'll just spend most of your time frustrated. I had enough luck to actually play with decent teams when i started because i didn't have anyone interested to play this at the time with me, so yeah, this game isn't casual friendly

"The DLC from a Fromsoftware game feels a bit too familiar, i wish we could have a mini fishing game, base building and some roguelite elements"

Not gonna watch anything out of respect for the devs. They have been through a lot lately and judging by how they're treated by their "fans" on Twitter, I'll just say i feel bad for them.

"In the case of Riot Games’ enormous hero shooter, you’ll get gongs for racking up 1,000 headshots, dealing an outrageous amount of damage, and even using your abilities 4,000 times. A lot of these Trophies are going to come naturally during gameplay, and so you won’t have to specifically go out of your way to earn them"

So, you're telling me that you'll actually get trophies in a online FPS competitive game naturally, just by playing the game, instead of losing your focus by doing things that can negatively impact your team just to get a trophy??? Yeah...what a bummer...

I usually disagree with most reviews from this website, since for some reason all their 7/10 games (with exception of Rise of the Ronin, which got an abysmal 6) are very good games, but Jesus...this one takes the prize for the "i disagree completely with your final score"...and yes, only the final score, because i actually can't find a review here. It's just a text explaining how the game works with a 7 slapped at the end.

7/10 isn't bad but it's definitely not the score this game deserves. This is not your typical JRPG with lighthearted story or with the cool style of Persona. This is a very unique, challenging and weird RPG that more people should give it a try and this score and the negatives might scare people away from giving this game a fair shot.

I really really really hope no one takes this review seriously and give this game a try. Read Steam reviews, ask about the game on Megaten subreddit, watch video reviews from YouTubers that actually play JRPGs and know SMT franchise, but don't skip on this game.

I missed playing SMT IV on my 3DS and this game is everything i was hoping for and I'm glad the game is now playable on Playstation

Don't care about PC, but a PS5 60fps patch or a Remake for a PS6 would be nice (although i can still enjoy and appreciate the OG game anyway)

It's obvious that they won't try to fix performance by this point. If they could or wanted, they would've done this already, dude.

And i won't be buying another PS5. I'm fine with my base console and this game is still playable, so... whatever

Will this strategy work? I don't know, but I jumped ship from PC to PS5, main reason being a lot of PC ports that i was buying were just bad and i couldn't be bothered to keep buying them anymore on PC. I was reading and posting on a few forums on Steam last week about this very issue. Some users were experiencing stutters on Sekiro, Elden Ring and DS3 on PC, just like i did, and i "solved" this issue by playing them on my PS5 (except ER has to be the PS4 Pro version). Same goes for The Evil Within 2, FF7 Remake, Steelrising and more recently, Hogwarts Legacy. I've seen at least two users on Steam that dropped the PC version of HL and started playing on PS5 because of the stutters. You obviously won't have high end graphics, this is not the console's goal, but at least you can play these games without too much hassle. Will this always be the case? No. I'm pretty sure some people never experienced such issues on their PC, but I'm talking about my experiences. And at least i can buy these games while not being forced to keep upgrading my GPU and CPU, so that helps me financially a lot. I'm a very specific case, but i don't see myself using PC as my main gaming platform anymore, even if Sony keeps releasing their games on PC on the next generation. It's just not worth the effort and money for me, at least. To each their own, though.

This game is awesome. Thankfully i didn't take Push Square's review seriously and bought the game Day 1...best decision i ever made. And i skipped DD2 (a game this website was praising a lot when it launched), second best decision i ever made. Nowadays i tend to ignore all the reviews from this website and just read the news, third best decision i ever made

Nice. Now release Octopath Traveler and Bravely Default 2 on PS5

To answer the questions directly:

Does it really devalue PlayStation as a platform? Yes, i think so. We've had a good beginning of the year with great PS5 titles but from here on now it's pretty much the "PC Port year" and less PS5 games. I don't like it.

Did the whole Helldivers 2 thing sour your perspective? No. I couldn't care less about these issues. Not my problem.

Let me make something clear, though: these are MY OPINIONS on the matter. I've seen time and time again PC people here or on Twitter getting pissed and trying to start an argument about "why PC gaming and Steam are better and PC is inevitable and yadda yadda yadda" but i don't care. This is MY perspective, as selfish as it can be, after all these questions are individual. So don't bother pestering me about what i think or what i don't like because i won't change my mind and i'm aware Sony won't either. I game on PC too (less now), i have +250 games on my Steam library and at least +150 games on Epic and 50 or more on GOG. You people need to learn to let others express themselves without getting worked up

I'm out

Reviewer score: 9/10
Users average score: 7.6/10
Yep, i definitely trust more the users than the...professional reviewers

One was released at the end cycle (7th year) of a very successful console, during the pandemic, a time where a lot of people were playing (and buying) games all the time. Another one was released at the 3rd year of a console that only in the last 2 years was easy to find (again, because of the pandemic) and that's it's still expensive for most people that are still playing on a PS4.