My speculation is that ps4 games will slowly be dropped from the deals and the ps store page. The ps4 games will still be there it's just all ps5 games will immediately be at the top and all ps4 games will be pushed towards the bottom. Just my guess.
Sony has said nothing about this in any way on their website. I decided to buy a couple of cheap games I want interested in after this got out and on my ps4 they are still counting down from 30 days and they haven't converted to full games yet.
Sony updated the terms of service on April 23, 2026. So after May 7, 2026 it will become apparent if the DRM is permanent or just a temporary 14 day delay.
After skimming the new Playstation terms of service I noticed that Sony goes out of the way to state that you are licensing the game and that you don't own the game. My opinion is that Sony did this intentionally and hoped people wouldn't notice or that it wouldn't be visible for gamers. Even the ps3 had its terms of service updated.
Decided to grab a cheap $6 game I was interested in on my ps4 and found it has 30 day countdown. The game was Emyliveshow which also has a ps5 version.
All games since the ps3 have had this, to a degree. Owned games would show a start date and no end date. Games that were acquired via a subscription would have the 30 day deadline on the games and they would expire when your subscription expires.
Having COD available at day one on game pass was a huge blunder. Having Xbox studios games available with Game Pass ultimate day one makes perfect sense since it gives incentive to get ultimate or to buy the game. It also keeps current subscribers active.
@shiningpikablu252 That is correct. GTA SA was backwards compatible but was delisted after the Trilogy was released. GTA 4 and both DLC were also made backwards but they are all still available for purchase on modern consoles.
Rockstar is making most of its money from GTA 5 from the online part of the game so it's very likely GTA 6 will primarily focus on a multiplayer experience. GTA 6 is likely to be live service in my opinion.
It seems they are going out of the way to get as much positive spin as possible. The reviews tend to be, I have literally played this game for a total of 5 minutes but it the most perfect genre defining game of all time.
The idea the best place to play sounds great but it's super vague. Sony may have the best console out there with the ps5 but that alone isn't enough to keep the PlayStation on top forever. The main focus is games, more is always better than less. The biggest problem with PlayStation is that tech support is non existent and handled by AI, Sony will only produce a handful of games for the PlayStation and the PlayStation doesn't have much unique that other consoles don't have. And the Playstation prices are crazy so nobody is rushing to buy the console unless they have money to burn.
I think SE is undecided on how to proceed with a remake for FF 9. I think SE would like to do the same as the FF 7 remake trilogy but that would likely be too expensive for the potential sales. Also the potential style of using cartoon style or realistic style might play an issue.
My wild speculation is that MS will launch their next generation console at price X that is a dual Xbox/PC and Sony will launch the PS6 later at the same price X.
Sony is definitely making a reasonable profit on each ps5 sold in my opinion. Sony could easily drop prices or keep them where they were buy Sony needs to make as much off the ps5 as possible for some reason. The other problem is that with the price hikes few gamers are going to rush to upgrade and they will just stick with what they have if it's the ps4 or the base ps5. Anyone who bought the ps5 pro is unlikely to upgrade even when the ps6 actually launches unless they have money to burn. Perhaps I'm wrong but this is my opinion.
Much of the problem is that SE shifted toward the online FF games with FF 11 then with FF 14. The online games should have been separate games not connected to the main line games. My opinion is most of the original games appeal to nostalgia rather than they are these amazing games in their own right. The pixel remasters were released on the NES and SNES. FF 7-9 were originally released for the ps1 and FF 10 and 12 were ps2 titles. I personally am more interested in the Dragon Quest game along with the Tales of Series over the Final Fantasy games after 13.
I know several friends who have a Playstation and only use it to play a small handful of games. Some gamers will get a ps5 only to play the newest COD game.
My opinion is that the preview game videos look sharp but the demo was very underwhelming. You can't target an enemy with starting the hack sequence. My impression is that it's a hard core shooter with various story elements, not the type of game I am personally interested in.
Money talks. I believe the problem is that the digital games have poor visibly on psn and with other games not meeting expectations they decided not to create PlayStation versions of the games when Switch and Xbox versions are more profitable.
My opinion is that the problem with the ps5 is that it's huge and not very appealing. The Switch is completely portable and the Xbox Series S is quite small. I think the problem is atheistic over anything else is Japan.
I seriously doubt Lego Horizon was a big seller period. They might as well go for a Xbox version, just for fun. It not like they are going to be making money off it otherwise.
Sony seems to be focusing heavily on cutting costs even if it's hurting their game output. MS has released more games recently for the Playstation than Sony has. I suspect much of the frustration is because it shows that Sony has zero interest in porting classic titles to modern consoles. It might mean that no more classic games with be added to the premium tier of ps+.
Most mobile phone games are outright terrible. Every free mobile game is loaded with micro transactions which are often needed to progress through the game. Then most full paid games are simply ports of console games that are cheap on the consoles. There use to be a time when they made full decent games just for mobile phones but now that just doesn't happen.
Sony's strategy for the ps5 games has just been terrible. Sony has a huge library of classics titles and franchises and they have only remastered or remade a handful of them since they are somehow guaranteed massive profits. Sony could make lots of new games for the ps5 but Sony doesn't want to spend the money making the games. My opinion is that Neil Duckman keeps pushing bad decisions which are hurting the Playstation brand.
The problem is Sony wants to get the components for the ps6 cheap and that is likely proving to be difficult to secure. Sony also needs to offer something new with the ps6 rather than a slightly better PlayStation.
Sony is at the top with the ps5 but has little room to grow and expand the install base of the ps5 with the ps5 consoles selling for what they are. Yes Sony will keep selling ps5 consoles but it will slow down and fewer and fewer people will be buying a new ps5 console.
Sony has no immediate plans to release a console and it's rumoured to be 2028-2029. Having a physical disc drive will add to the cost and size of the console so Sony could easily drop the option all together. Sony will likely just offer a disc add on, and have the base model not include and disc drive. Sony already does this with the ps5 disc free model.
I never played it on the ps1 but I find most of the trophies and achievements are for preforming various feats in the game which can be challenging to pull off.
I think it's because they can reuse assets of previous games in the next game to save development time and money. Likely SE wants this game finished so they can move onto other projects.
I suspect that GTA 6 will focus on a live service model of game. You will pay for the base game and other versions will feature only cosmetic items. GTA 6 is likely to copy Destiny 2's seasons where you pay for each season.
The Sony CEO has stated that they are just starting work on the ps6 and MS has said a few years ago that they are working on the next generation of Xbox consoles.
@AverageGamer Well none of the Kakarot DLC games have any trophies so I don't have any real desire to buy them. I personally would like to see Kakarot 2 instead of endless DLC content. I want a full game that I can platinum or 100% rather than endless DLC content. Bandi produced numerous games for the ps3/x360 but for the X1/PS4 they release one or two games then tack on more DLC. Personally I think the older games are better than what is being released now.
@AverageGamer With more game releases the older games will tend to come down in price to around $20, then you can 100% those games and move onto the next game. The DLC's often tend to be priced close to the price of a full game for only a few hours of gameplay. So yes I would rather see new games and I am personally more interested in finding the older x360/ps3 Dragon Ball games and completing them than paying for endless DLC's. I enjoyed Kakarot I found that the game underwhelming.
The game is cool but what frustrates me is that instead of making multiple games with their own trophy/achievement list they just add on DLC with no trophies. This is what I don't like about the newer Dragon Ball games, they just release one game then spend 5-10 years releasing DLC for that single game.
I seriously doubt that GTA 6 will get the launch sales that GTA 5 had. And the sales will largely depend on the direction that Rockstar goes in. GTA 5 launched with a full story without any online. I highly suspect Rockstar will move towards a live service game and will focus on the multiplayer likely at the expense of the single player. And very few live service games actually charge for the game. Just my thoughts.
That is only the full retail price of the game. Once you factor in sale prices it drops significantly. And some games like Squad are trash, others are games that aren't interesting to me.
There are two problems, most of the gamers who wanted a ps5 already have one and Sony isn't pumping out games right now which isn't giving people reasons to buy a ps5.
@graymamba What don't you get. MS is make money on each console sold and Sony is losing money on consoles unless they are sold at full price. MS is no longer happy with small perhaps 5-10% profits from the Xbox division and now the Xbox division needs to achieve 30% profit rates. I don't want the PlayStation to disappear but without profits the PlayStation might not be around forever.
Comments 166
Re: PS Store Deals Tab Returns, Confirms Next Sale for 13th May
My speculation is that ps4 games will slowly be dropped from the deals and the ps store page. The ps4 games will still be there it's just all ps5 games will immediately be at the top and all ps4 games will be pushed towards the bottom. Just my guess.
Re: STEINS;GATE RE:BOOT Will Force Us to Curse That Goddamn Semi-Colon All Over Again on PS5, PS4
Well if there's no English subtitles then it's a hard pass for me.
Re: A Nail in PS4's Coffin, Call of Duty Will Finally Ditch Last-Gen Console
Very few people that have a ps4 are going to immediately grab a ps5. For most gamers it's wait for the ps6 or get the next Xbox console.
Re: 'You Can Play Your Purchased Games As Usual': Sony Breaks Silence on PS5, PS4 Game Expiry DRM
Sony has said nothing about this in any way on their website. I decided to buy a couple of cheap games I want interested in after this got out and on my ps4 they are still counting down from 30 days and they haven't converted to full games yet.
Re: PS5 Game Expiry DRM Potentially Explained, Sony Still Yet to Comment
Sony updated the terms of service on April 23, 2026. So after May 7, 2026 it will become apparent if the DRM is permanent or just a temporary 14 day delay.
Re: PS5 Confirmed to Be Affected by Game Expiry Issue, Sony Support Sends Mixed Messages on DRM
After skimming the new Playstation terms of service I noticed that Sony goes out of the way to state that you are licensing the game and that you don't own the game. My opinion is that Sony did this intentionally and hoped people wouldn't notice or that it wouldn't be visible for gamers. Even the ps3 had its terms of service updated.
Re: PS5 Confirmed to Be Affected by Game Expiry Issue, Sony Still Silent on DRM Worries
Decided to grab a cheap $6 game I was interested in on my ps4 and found it has 30 day countdown. The game was Emyliveshow which also has a ps5 version.
Re: PS4 Game Expiry Timer Sparks DRM Concerns, Here's What We Know So Far
All games since the ps3 have had this, to a degree. Owned games would show a start date and no end date. Games that were acquired via a subscription would have the 30 day deadline on the games and they would expire when your subscription expires.
Re: Xbox Game Pass vs PS Plus: Was Sony Right All Along?
Having COD available at day one on game pass was a huge blunder. Having Xbox studios games available with Game Pass ultimate day one makes perfect sense since it gives incentive to get ultimate or to buy the game. It also keeps current subscribers active.
Re: PS5 State of Play Definitely Not Happening on 16th April as Unconfirmed Rumour Whiffs
My guess is that Wolverine isn't even close to being ready so Sony has nothing to highlight.
Re: PS5 Already Winning GTA 6 Battle as PlayStation Drives 64% of GTA Online Spend
@shiningpikablu252 That is correct. GTA SA was backwards compatible but was delisted after the Trilogy was released. GTA 4 and both DLC were also made backwards but they are all still available for purchase on modern consoles.
Re: PS5 Already Winning GTA 6 Battle as PlayStation Drives 64% of GTA Online Spend
Rockstar is making most of its money from GTA 5 from the online part of the game so it's very likely GTA 6 will primarily focus on a multiplayer experience. GTA 6 is likely to be live service in my opinion.
Re: This Pragmata PR Gift Might Be the Most Insane Press Kit We've Ever Seen
It seems they are going out of the way to get as much positive spin as possible. The reviews tend to be, I have literally played this game for a total of 5 minutes but it the most perfect genre defining game of all time.
Re: Pragmata (PS5) - Brilliant Combat Is the Star of Yet Another Capcom PS5 Hit
@Nepp67 Where I am it's $79.99 for the standard edition and $94.99 for the deluxe edition.
Re: Pragmata (PS5) - Brilliant Combat Is the Star of Yet Another Capcom PS5 Hit
If it was $20 or $30 it would be worth it but with it selling for $80 it's a hard pass.
Re: 'We Were Forced to Change': Sony CEO Outlines Shift to Entertainment, and Says PS5 Must Be the Best Place to Play
The idea the best place to play sounds great but it's super vague. Sony may have the best console out there with the ps5 but that alone isn't enough to keep the PlayStation on top forever. The main focus is games, more is always better than less. The biggest problem with PlayStation is that tech support is non existent and handled by AI, Sony will only produce a handful of games for the PlayStation and the PlayStation doesn't have much unique that other consoles don't have. And the Playstation prices are crazy so nobody is rushing to buy the console unless they have money to burn.
Re: Rumour: Final Fantasy 9 PS5 Remake Development Is 'On Ice' Right Now
I think SE is undecided on how to proceed with a remake for FF 9. I think SE would like to do the same as the FF 7 remake trilogy but that would likely be too expensive for the potential sales. Also the potential style of using cartoon style or realistic style might play an issue.
Re: PS6 Could Be Cheaper Than Expected, Despite $1,000 Concerns
My wild speculation is that MS will launch their next generation console at price X that is a dual Xbox/PC and Sony will launch the PS6 later at the same price X.
Re: Feature: PS5 Price - Why Does It Cost So Much in 2026?
Sony is definitely making a reasonable profit on each ps5 sold in my opinion. Sony could easily drop prices or keep them where they were buy Sony needs to make as much off the ps5 as possible for some reason. The other problem is that with the price hikes few gamers are going to rush to upgrade and they will just stick with what they have if it's the ps4 or the base ps5. Anyone who bought the ps5 pro is unlikely to upgrade even when the ps6 actually launches unless they have money to burn. Perhaps I'm wrong but this is my opinion.
Re: If You're Playing Final Fantasy Games on PS5, There's a Good Chance You're Old
Much of the problem is that SE shifted toward the online FF games with FF 11 then with FF 14. The online games should have been separate games not connected to the main line games. My opinion is most of the original games appeal to nostalgia rather than they are these amazing games in their own right. The pixel remasters were released on the NES and SNES. FF 7-9 were originally released for the ps1 and FF 10 and 12 were ps2 titles. I personally am more interested in the Dragon Quest game along with the Tales of Series over the Final Fantasy games after 13.
Re: PS5 Leads Resident Evil Requiem Sales as 'Consoles Are Dead' Chat Falls Flat
I know several friends who have a Playstation and only use it to play a small handful of games. Some gamers will get a ps5 only to play the newest COD game.
Re: Preview: I Think Pragmata Could Be PS5's Best Shooter Yet
My opinion is that the preview game videos look sharp but the demo was very underwhelming. You can't target an enemy with starting the hack sequence. My impression is that it's a hard core shooter with various story elements, not the type of game I am personally interested in.
Re: 'What the F*ck Are We Doing Here?': PS5 Fans Slam Square Enix for Sloppy Multiformat Strategy
Money talks. I believe the problem is that the digital games have poor visibly on psn and with other games not meeting expectations they decided not to create PlayStation versions of the games when Switch and Xbox versions are more profitable.
Re: Sony Decides VTubers May Be the Best Way to Save PS5 in Japan
My opinion is that the problem with the ps5 is that it's huge and not very appealing. The Switch is completely portable and the Xbox Series S is quite small. I think the problem is atheistic over anything else is Japan.
Re: After LEGO Horizon, Don't Expect Any More PS5 Games on Switch 2
I seriously doubt Lego Horizon was a big seller period. They might as well go for a Xbox version, just for fun. It not like they are going to be making money off it otherwise.
Re: Wolverine PS5 Release Date Reveal Sparks Bluepoint Cover-Up Claims
To me it sounds like they are rushing out the game rather then waiting until it's completely polished.
Re: Marvel's Wolverine PS5 Release Date Announced
It's likely to go head to head with Fable and the Wolverine game guaranteed to get a M rating.
Re: Sony Goes Silent on Social Media for Over 72 Hours as Fans Turn Feral Following Bluepoint Closure
Sony seems to be focusing heavily on cutting costs even if it's hurting their game output. MS has released more games recently for the Playstation than Sony has. I suspect much of the frustration is because it shows that Sony has zero interest in porting classic titles to modern consoles. It might mean that no more classic games with be added to the premium tier of ps+.
Re: First PS Plus Essential Game for March 2026 Leaked Early
Sony keeps offering sports titles at the end of the season just before the next title is announced.
Re: Mobile App Addictions Are Quickly Becoming a Serious Threat to Video Games, Report Claims
Most mobile phone games are outright terrible. Every free mobile game is loaded with micro transactions which are often needed to progress through the game. Then most full paid games are simply ports of console games that are cheap on the consoles. There use to be a time when they made full decent games just for mobile phones but now that just doesn't happen.
Re: Opinion: Sony's Disgraceful Bluepoint Closure Should Concern Every PS Studios Fan
Sony's strategy for the ps5 games has just been terrible. Sony has a huge library of classics titles and franchises and they have only remastered or remade a handful of them since they are somehow guaranteed massive profits. Sony could make lots of new games for the ps5 but Sony doesn't want to spend the money making the games. My opinion is that Neil Duckman keeps pushing bad decisions which are hurting the Playstation brand.
Re: Memory Crisis Threatening to Delay PS6 Could Last 'Another 10 Years'
The problem is Sony wants to get the components for the ps6 cheap and that is likely proving to be difficult to secure. Sony also needs to offer something new with the ps6 rather than a slightly better PlayStation.
Re: Sony Will Offset Soaring RAM Prices by Further Monetising PS5 Players
Sony is at the top with the ps5 but has little room to grow and expand the install base of the ps5 with the ps5 consoles selling for what they are. Yes Sony will keep selling ps5 consoles but it will slow down and fewer and fewer people will be buying a new ps5 console.
Re: Here's Why Shawn Layden Thinks Sony 'Can't Get Away' with Making PS6 Digital Only
Sony has no immediate plans to release a console and it's rumoured to be 2028-2029. Having a physical disc drive will add to the cost and size of the console so Sony could easily drop the option all together. Sony will likely just offer a disc add on, and have the base model not include and disc drive. Sony already does this with the ps5 disc free model.
Re: Fans Are Already Debating Whether God of War's PS5 Trilogy Will Cut the Series' Sex Minigames
I guarantee it's gone, since it won't likely fit into the game.
Re: Going Platinum #11: Spyro the Dragon
I never played it on the ps1 but I find most of the trophies and achievements are for preforming various feats in the game which can be challenging to pull off.
Re: Sorry, PS3 Users, Netflix Is Dropping Support for Sony's 20-Year-Old Console Next Month
Most streaming services on the ps3 are already dead, most got shut down 5 years ago.
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Remake Dev Explains Why It's Not Upgrading to Unreal Engine 5 for Third Chapter
I think it's because they can reuse assets of previous games in the next game to save development time and money. Likely SE wants this game finished so they can move onto other projects.
Re: Rumour: GTA 6 Might Not Launch Physically at First to Avoid Leaks
I suspect that GTA 6 will focus on a live service model of game. You will pay for the base game and other versions will feature only cosmetic items. GTA 6 is likely to copy Destiny 2's seasons where you pay for each season.
Re: Sony Set to Delay PS6 Release Date, Claims Financial Report
The Sony CEO has stated that they are just starting work on the ps6 and MS has said a few years ago that they are working on the next generation of Xbox consoles.
Re: Dragon Ball Z Action RPG Kakarot Tops a Mighty 10 Million Sales
@AverageGamer Well none of the Kakarot DLC games have any trophies so I don't have any real desire to buy them. I personally would like to see Kakarot 2 instead of endless DLC content. I want a full game that I can platinum or 100% rather than endless DLC content. Bandi produced numerous games for the ps3/x360 but for the X1/PS4 they release one or two games then tack on more DLC. Personally I think the older games are better than what is being released now.
Re: Dragon Ball Z Action RPG Kakarot Tops a Mighty 10 Million Sales
@AverageGamer With more game releases the older games will tend to come down in price to around $20, then you can 100% those games and move onto the next game. The DLC's often tend to be priced close to the price of a full game for only a few hours of gameplay. So yes I would rather see new games and I am personally more interested in finding the older x360/ps3 Dragon Ball games and completing them than paying for endless DLC's. I enjoyed Kakarot I found that the game underwhelming.
Re: Dragon Ball Z Action RPG Kakarot Tops a Mighty 10 Million Sales
The game is cool but what frustrates me is that instead of making multiple games with their own trophy/achievement list they just add on DLC with no trophies. This is what I don't like about the newer Dragon Ball games, they just release one game then spend 5-10 years releasing DLC for that single game.
Re: Sony May Be 'Planning Its Entire Calendar' Around GTA 6, Says Jason Schreier
I seriously doubt that GTA 6 will get the launch sales that GTA 5 had. And the sales will largely depend on the direction that Rockstar goes in. GTA 5 launched with a full story without any online. I highly suspect Rockstar will move towards a live service game and will focus on the multiplayer likely at the expense of the single player. And very few live service games actually charge for the game. Just my thoughts.
Re: Ubisoft, Bandai Namco, More Showing Up for the New Game+ Showcase Today
What I want to see is game play not just people talking about games.
Re: Haunted Paws Dev Accuses New Cosy PS5, PS4 Horror of Being a Copycat
Well one has cats, the other has dogs so they are completely different things.
Re: Your PS Plus Essential Sub Netted You $1,500+ in PS5, PS4 Games This Year
That is only the full retail price of the game. Once you factor in sale prices it drops significantly. And some games like Squad are trash, others are games that aren't interesting to me.
Re: Japan's New Language Locked PS5 Hasn't Made a Massive Difference to the Format's Domestic Fortunes
There are two problems, most of the gamers who wanted a ps5 already have one and Sony isn't pumping out games right now which isn't giving people reasons to buy a ps5.
Re: These 6+ PS5, PS4, and PS Plus Games Are Coming Out Next Week (15th-21st December)
Trouble Witches originally was released on the Xbox 360, but there was no backwards compatibility so it was stuck on the Xbox 360.
Re: PS5 Dominates USA and UK on Black Friday, Comfortably Outsells All Its Rivals
@graymamba What don't you get. MS is make money on each console sold and Sony is losing money on consoles unless they are sold at full price. MS is no longer happy with small perhaps 5-10% profits from the Xbox division and now the Xbox division needs to achieve 30% profit rates. I don't want the PlayStation to disappear but without profits the PlayStation might not be around forever.