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That's truly expensive for one game (in UK and EU, especially), these news make Game Pass look an even better deal and, certainly, I'd avoid the digital PS5 as the plague.

So Sony's "next-gen" games impossible to run on weaker hardware are coming to PS4?

@rjejr @NEStalgia A new meme is needed after so many people here claiming that it wouldn't be possible, PS4 can, actually, run Spider-Man Miles Morales and Horizon 2.

Meanwhile, Halo Infinite has been delayed to look more next-gen and the other Microsoft's big games are Series-exclusive now so they both changed their plans.

@thedevilsjester The trailer says that Final Fantasy XVI is a PS5 timed exclusivity so it will be released on Xbox eventually.

https://youtu.be/L2hhXWYGs9o?t=237

@DavLFC No because judging games is as reviewing them, just opinions.

He means that Series X is technically better and it is.

@EddieGreenheart Yes, it'll be interesting to check out so we know for sure.

@Ralizah I was hoping that they would release the 3DS version in the West because I love those dual graphics but now I'll be able to play the Switch version on Xbox which looks fine in my opinion 😁. Probably, it's an enhanced port.

Thank you for your kind words. It's as simple as Sony has only confirmed ray tracing and I just kindly asked you what RDNA3 features did Sony or AMD mentioned that PS5 includes and instead or replying me you call me troll, are you sure it's not you you're describing? The truth is that Sony has only confirmed ray tracing unless you can prove I'm wrong? Have a lovely day.

"Digital Foundry said "Cerny (Sony) doesn't mention technologies such as Machine Learning support or Variable Rate Shading, PS5 does indeed deliver hardware-accelerated ray tracing".

In short, no Machine Learning, no Variable Rate Shading and no Sampler Feedback Streaming but only ray tracing confirmed for PS5.

Do you know what "confirmed" means?

Learn to read before entering fanboy rage mode. You're going to have a heart attack when the consoles launch 😉.

@MarcG420 Pathetic is getting angry and in denial over a console. The engineer apologised, you already said it. Your only source and argument is a Google Translate text with his apology. If you don't trust forums, no wonder seeing you are a raging forum member, check Eurogamer and Digital Foundry links then. Are they also misinformation? I don't think so.

You are totally in denial. You haven't posted a single source and you don't have a single argument. Take some

sources:

https://i.imgur.com/3cu8NWW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cfVrB9h.jpg

https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-xbox-series-x-i-o-throughput-ps5/

https://gamingbolt.com/xbox-series-xs-sampler-feedback-streaming-is-an-absolute-game-changer-says-developer

https://gamingbolt.com/ps5-xbox-series-x-games-file-sizes-are-going-to-have-to-skyrocket-with-unreal-engine-5-says-developer

https://gamingbolt.com/ps5-xbox-series-x-games-file-sizes-are-going-to-have-to-skyrocket-with-unreal-engine-5-says-developer

https://www.vg247.com/2020/05/01/xbox-series-x-variable-rate-shading/#:~:text=Variable%20Rate%20Shading%20will%20be%20an%20Xbox%20One,VRS%20is%20and%20what%20it%20means%20for%20next-gen.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/xbox-series-x-cares-more-about-120-fps-gaming-than-ps5

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-ps5-reveal-does-it-deliver-the-next-gen-dream

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-playstation-5-specs-and-tech-that-deliver-sonys-next-gen-vision

https://www.vg247.com/2020/05/01/xbox-series-x-variable-rate-shading/#:~:text=Variable%20Rate%20Shading%20will%20be%20an%20Xbox%20One,VRS%20is%20and%20what%20it%20means%20for%20next-gen.

You are welcome! See you!

@MarcG420 Yes, you are rude, angry and in denial. I don't suppose anything, just quoting Sony's engineer and Digital Foundry. You are the one that is lying and writes nonsense and misinformation and the only argument you have is insulting and calling people fanboys.

"I call bullsh*t. Post your source. Stop trying to misinform, it’s pathetic. He clearly refuted the narrative you’re trying to push. Freaking fanboys these days".

Don't you realise how ridiculous you are? 😉

@MarcG420 I just stated what Sony's engineer and Digital Foundry revealed, you get in rude rage mode because you don't want to accept the truth and then I am the one that is angry 🤣🤣🤣-

@MarcG420 You have called me fanboy twice, pathetic... but you are the only raging fanboy as anyone can see. Yes, Sony's engineer apologised, probably because of rude fanboys like you. And? Why didn't Sony answer DF's questions? Why the only confirmed feature of PS5 is ray tracing?

@S1ayeR74 I just told you what they stated publicly. What parts of RDNA2 and what parts of RDNA3 does Sony mean now? Digital Foundry asked and Sony only confirmed ray tracing for PS5 so...

@MarcG420

I haven't said a single lie.

Firstly, Sony's engineer said "As you may know PS5 is an architecture somewhere in between RDNA 1 and 2".

Secondly, he said "The GPU is Navi-based, so there isn't any Machine Learning stuff on it".

Thirdly, Digital Foundry said "Cerny (Sony) doesn't mention technologies such as Machine Learning support or Variable Rate Shading, PS5 does indeed deliver hardware-accelerated ray tracing".

So it's not just Sony's engineer but Digital Foundry and Sony. The only thing confirmed for PS5 is hardware-accelerated ray tracing. No wonder Sony told that engineer to shut up if they didn't answer Digital Foundry's questions about the rest of the next-gen features.

It's not just the engineer though, it's Digital Foundry and what Sony confirmed and what they did not. No Machine Learning, no Variable Rate Shading and no Sampler Feedback Streaming. Only ray tracing confirmed for PS5.

@S1ayeR74 According to Sony's European engineer Rosario Leonardi, PS5 doesn't really have next-gen RDNA2 but Series X does. That explains a thing or two.

@Makina Yep, the 30-FPS-is-optimum hypocrisy (hmm, remember that PushSquare article...) needed to end. I hope Ratchet & Clank has 60 FPS mode too.

@JJ2 Noooo, I am not saying that LOL. Well, Ratchet & Clank looks a lot like the PS4 game that I have, apart from ray-tracing and teleport BUT I'll probably like it.

@JJ2 OK, thanks for your friendly tone and I don't even disagree, I think it's just a bit more complex.

Valhalla and Cyberpunk will be cross-gen games and they'll be awesome and noticeably better on next-gen consoles (just try to imagine how Valhalla and Cyberpunk will run on Xbox One S) but it's going to take a while until real next-gen games are available, not just third-party games but even first-party games because Sony only has Spider-Man and Astro's Playroom ready for launch and they might be great but not use all of PS5 possibilities (CPU, GPU, memory, etc.). Microsoft will have next-gen exclusive games after a couple of years and that sounds like a long time but perhaps that's also the time needed for Horizon Zero Dawn 2 or Uncharted 5 to come out. So yes, basically, I agree, but I think that it's been polarised when in reality it will be a similar situation on both Series X and PS5 with the difference being that the first bunch of first-party games for Series X will also run on last-gen consoles. It doesn't mean that Spider-Man couldn't be downgraded for PS4. It's more a marketing decision to not release it for PS4.

I also want developers to make the most of both PS5 and Series X and I'm sure that they will, first and third party, but they need time. There's so much potential in both next-gen consoles and they won't waste it, I am absolutely sure .

@bbq_boy The hatred is in distorted reports and vitriolic comments, not in Phil's words. He doesn't assault Nintendo or Sony. He has congratulated Sony and he has congratulated Nintendo, praising Sony’s commitment to “new things and creative things”, and describing Nintendo’s first-party catalogue as “an amazing asset.” It's just this website than finds "evil within".

https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/06/sony-did-a-nice-job-with-ps4-says-microsoft-studios-boss

@MarcG420 Read my comment above or the original source https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/07/16/players-first-you-are-the-future-of-gaming/ to know exactly what he said instead of these reports you are reading. I've never heard Phil Spencer assaulting Sony or Nintendo but congratulating them for their success. To compare this to racist comments like you are doing is not appropriate. If you want to fight somebody look elsewhere and if you want objective and real facts wait for Digital Foundry .

@JJ2 "If you are talking 3rd party then will probably be the same. As for first party Sony will wipe the floor. Horizon Zero Dawn 2 already will be above anything Microsoft will produce graphically the whole of next generation".

Why? I don't think that will be the case next generation and Horizon Zero Dawn hasn't the best graphics of the current generation either (that's your opinion) so there's no reason for stating that Horizon Zero Dawn 2 will have the best graphics of the whole generation.

@JJ2 OK yes, launch Series X games will have to be compatible with Xbox One S and X but, at the same time, Series X is more powerful than PS5 and just look at the huge upgrades current-gen games have on Xbox One X compared to the Xbox One S... or Switch version.

Let's wait for the Digital Foundry articles later this year to find out how launch games compare, both first-party and third-party. Developers say that Series X won't be held back by Xbox One. Yes, Xbox One has HDD so loading times will be awful on Xbox One but not only that but resolution and frame rate will take a hit. Some current-gen games have issues running on Xbox One S so it will get worse with next-gen games. It's a compatibility philosophy but in reality they're designing games for the most powerful console and with SSD in mind.

I just hope that all those people that believe that Xbox One will hold Series X back read Digital Foundry Series X/PS5 comparisons later this year so they can find out.

@JJ2 Well, launch game Spider-Man is an upgraded semi-sequel. I agree with you that Ratchet & Clank will use the SSD speed for teleporting quickly as we have seen in the video but you won't see games that make the most of the new hardware until 1-2 years. Why? Because it takes time. Reducing loading times is automatic and applying ray-tracing is relatively easy, creating next-generation games requires time.

@SaikoWaifu2003 I agree with you but he said that would only happen with the first games, kind of cross-generation games that can be played in upgraded form on Series X. The suggestion that it will happen throughout the generation is not true. Read my comment above with the true quotes.

@TWOscrews Well, as examples you have Doom and Wolfenstein 2 running on totally different architecture that is mobile and dated even by 2017's standards, Nintendo Switch. Compare those versions to the Xbox One X games. Anyway, it's going to happen with the cross-gen games only and for a couple of years. You won't have fully next-gen games on PS5 at launch either because the first games have been in development for years and show slight upgrades over PS4: Spider-Man. It happens every generation. Both Series X and PS5 real next-gen games are a few years away. They won't be there at launch.

@Kropolis Yes, that's what I said, that Ubisoft and CD Projekt support this idea on Series X and PS5. These are the typical cross-gen games. It has happened before but now Microsoft, Ubisoft and CD Projekt give the upgraded version for free.

This is exactly what Phil Spencer said:

"We want every Xbox player to play all the new games from Xbox Game Studios. That’s why Xbox Game Studios titles we release in the next couple of years—like Halo Infinite—will be available and play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox One. We won’t force you to upgrade to Xbox Series X at launch to play Xbox exclusives.

Your Xbox One gaming accessories come into the future with you, too. The Xbox Elite Controller and Xbox Adaptive Controller all work on Xbox Series X, so you don’t have to purchase new controllers. We believe that your investments in gaming should move with you into the next generation".

When Phil said the last part (where he could be comparing Microsoft with Sony or Nintendo) he is not talking about games but accessories compatibility.

Now compare the original text with the article on this page:

"Xbox boss Phil Spencer has continued his assault on Sony and its PlayStation 5 strategy, saying that fans "won't be forced into the next-generation" as Microsoft commits continued support to Xbox One's various permutations. "Unlike others, we believe that your investments in gaming should move with you into the next generation," he cattily continued on the subject of accessories.

It's all getting a bit heated ahead of next week's Xbox showcase, but only one side is consistently talking about the competition. PlayStation, for the most part, appears to be focused on its own approach".

@Ko512 True. The most ambitious games are PC games and they aren't held back by weaker PCs. Xbox consoles run Windows so games are easily scalable. Besides, he said for a couple of years only.

@SaikoWaifu2003 Why? He said it's going to happen with the first games only.

@Ko512 There were cross-generation games on Xbox One and PS4 when the current generation started so it will be the same but better on Series X because the next-gen version is free if you already own the game. Like you said, it's just a transition to the next generation with free remasters and it won't hold Series X back. Microsoft said that after 1-2 years, games will no longer be supported on Xbox One. Anyway, the first year of a console is very quiet, just look at PS4's drought. I know because I got mine at launch and all I had were cross-gen games and remasters (Knack was an awful launch game). It's going to take a long while before PS5 gets its first-party games excluding launch titles Spiderman and Astro's Playroom.

Besides, Ubisoft and CD Projekt are supporting this idea on Series X and PS5 so not sure why some people think it's a bad idea when it's excellent.

@TimG13 I read Phil's interviews again because I didn't remember the statements that Sammy Barker is reporting. His "journalism" is misinformation and sensationalism.

@Porco Yeah, PushSquare has become the most toxic gaming website/community worldwide. Guess clicks are worth it. Too bad because it used to be decent.

@NorrinRadd "Xbox boss Phil Spencer has continued his assault on Sony".

Wow, what a toxic article.

@Orpheus79V Probably because the article omits Sony's percentage purposefully.

Even with a 2019 4K OLED TV my priority will always be 60 FPS like the most voted comments on here. It makes games more enjoyable, controls are improved and lag is reduced.

@JJ2 It's not bias, Sony waited until Microsoft revealed the specifications and the console before revealing the specifications and the console (and they revealed the controller before the console). Digital Foundry and many people consider that Sony had the perfect chance to announce the price now but they are waiting (again!) for Microsoft to say something. It's true that Sony revealed a (All-)Digital Edition but that's exactly the same console without the disc reader, it wouldn't make sense to not reveal it if they are going to launch together.

My launch PS4 also sounds like a jet engine, even when I suspend the game and go back to the home menu. I have to close the game for the fan to quiet down. My Xbox One X on the other hand is so quiet even in 4K.

When they criticise a black box do they mean that PS4 design is a mistake?

The confusion was created by the combination of "We moved development to Square Enix" and "We have been totally busy with Kingdom Hearts III until now". It looked like they had scrapped the third-party material and started from scratch and I have even heard that they gave up the project. It's great to know that the project is alive but I hope that it's a more classic remake with updated visuals and refined controls and not a Hollywood action film. I think that it's pretty obvious that it won't launch this generation though.

Some retailers listed it as a multi-disc game, was that a mistake? How many discs are included?

" Maybe we’re making apologies for the organisation".

Well, that's what you always do, Sam. Nobody is surprised.

@Zuljaras And dynamic scaling down to 320p like Doom and The Wolfenstein II. But it would be amazing and mind-blowing because it would be running on Switch.

Imagine this game in 320p... The lampposts would be 10x2 pixels.

@Zuljaras And it would run at 10 fps in towns...

@Zuljaras Oh well, me too. So many games and so little time to play them. It's definitely worth buying (on whatever console), agreed. It looks more appealing than GTA. Glad we could sort out our differences, in between.

The steelbox should include the DLC of the Deluxe edition. I'm not sure which edition to get now (consoles are region-free so we could choose any). Oh well, who cares, I never thought that this remake would happen until Capcom teased it.