Oh dear...........here's my final take on this (my own opinion I'm not claiming to be right when I say this):
Although I think playing these kind of games are morally wrong, I dont think this has any criminal basis either, consumers of these kind of games tend to avoid contact with people, their sole focus would be the characters in the game, be it a minor or looks like a minor but is also 100+ yrs old. lets keep in mind they're not actual people they're fictional characters inside a screen. its our own individual perception of whats morally right and wrong that causes us to pass these rather extreme judgements and I believe this is where Sony stands, Sony believes its in their best interest to censor these games (though it would be much better if they just let ESRB do their jobs). If it comes to that that Sony says No to these Kind of games, then its in your right to abandon the brand all together or find another platform to play these kinds of games. Sony doesnt hold the whole gaming market, just because Sony started censoring doesnt mean the whole market would follow suit. Get them from steam, games like these dont require that much processing power your daily driver pc will do you just fine.
@WanderingBullet to be fair. I can play Fist of the Northstar and RE:2s gore is vividly depicted, they're both japanese games and they're both on the violent side, Games like Nier:Automata can still exist, we can still have that android booty while not feeling awkward at the sight of teenage girls being uhhh caressed by an octopus
Lets not make it about western games or japanese games being treated differently. If a western developer created a game like senran kagura I'm sure they'd be on the same predicament
@Jriibz fair point. even if they censored games like senran kagura I wont be buying them anyway (I'm more on the Ghibli side on the anime spectrum). I just want Sony not to be all draconian when it comes to censorship and have Kratos slapping Odin till he's unconscious in GoW's sequel.
I guess this why suckerpunch has that joblisting for ghost of tsushima, they've gotten an extension for their deadline so might as well polish it up eh
@Ralizah @Jriibz Manhunt (that game made by rockstar) which is graphically violent and disturbing where you play as a character which actively participates in torturing (or rather you are committing actual torture) is apparently legal. I guess arguing about this is useless as we are just at the whims of what "those in charge" think is morally right and morally wrong. If they say ahem "loli-gagging" is allowed then thats the way it goes I guess ( still think its sick in the head tho)
@octane @Jriibz thats the thing there's a specific audience for these kinds of games, they like seeing depictions of underage girls engaging in sexual activities in games ( I also think they're sick in the head). Earlier I said that killing NPCs in games is not morally wrong because your not exactly killing living beings, your altering a set of data to progress the game, the same logic can also be used by the audience of these Dating Sim like games. They'd just argue "but we're not actually engaging in sexual activities in minors, its just a game"(but hey if you feel nothing wrong about the implied sexual engagement with a minor then I'll be damned) . this subject is pretty much on the morally gray area ( aside from my personal opinion that games with these premises are just wrong) and I think there can never be a truly correct answer for this problem it all boils down to what the platform holder thinks is better for their platform.
Personally I'd go for Ban games with underage girls or Just switch out those underage with older and more appropriate characters
@Octane We've come a long way from Super Mario Bros. goomba stomping to MKs depiction of Ultra Violence, like it or not Killing NPCs has been a huge part of gaming history be it a monster or humanoid in form, we've been conditioned to think that we are not killing an actual living being, we're just eliminating an obstacle in the game.
@Xaessya thats the problem right there. Can a company allow a game depicting a girl that looks like a minor (but is also 100+ years old, thats anime I guess) engaged in sexual activities? technically this is A-OK coz that girl is 100+ yrs old but how is that any different than just putting a character that is actually underage in the same scenario? Anime has always been in a grey are when it comes to censorship. I think the real problem is why are these VN game devs so fixated on creating a character that looks like a minor on these kind of games
@Fath they're not just introducing SSDs to the nextgen hardware, they're also introducing a 7nm ryzen cpu inside the console, problems we have with PS4s with SSDs today might be caused by that old Jaguar CPUs bottlenecking the SSDs, although a two tiered solution might be more budget friendly. who knows
@leucocyte well..... thats the thing about these "specialized" SSDs they claim the next gen hardware will have. We dont really know what it is, does Sony make them in house? do they outsource these custom SSDs, we cant really compare them to DIY PC hardware (I'm being blindly optimistic here lol). So maybe Sony wont blindside us with another $600 price tag, we all know how that worked out for them
@Medic_alert well, people just get excited about new things there's no real reason behind them. Just because the people around you are excited for something doesnt mean you need to get hyped up as well, and that doesnt mean you ruin it for them either, if non of the information listed above interests you then nothing about the ps5 will. thats the only thing I can say. cheerio
P.S. didnt I say about games looking and performing better than what we have now? no one really gives a damn about the 8k resolution anyways, having a hardware that can do 8k should at least be able to do 4k60fps. 4K60 thats what matters not the 8k
@Rob_230 @jdv95 I've not seen an 8k TV in my local electronic store lol, that 8k is probably just for the extra swag points lol but lets hope for that 4k60fps standard
@Medic_alert more powerful hardware - better performance a hardware that can push 8k graphics even at least 30fps on that resolution should have no problem doing 1080p 60/4k60fps right? and that SSD storage is not just for faster load times, that can also mean better world streaming, or hopefully no more texture pop ins. Basically people are excited about games looking better and performing better than what we have now.
@SoulsBourne128 I know man, lets just hope FromSoft issues a patch for the game on the "next gen console" or better yet, Bloodborne 2 as a launch title
@AdamNovice If microsoft can outdo the specs and still keep the price below PS3 launch Prices then Kudos to them, I mean it can do 8K res, and I haven't seen any 8k TVs outside of electronic shows yet
@Rob_230 they say its a custom one and I read recently that SSD and RAM prices had a significant price reduction so maybe sony got a deal in buying in bulk from manufacturers?
Checked out their twitter page because of this article, turns out they posted two other things about the order 1886, seems like Sony is testing the waters, who knows it might be an Indication that they're actually doing something with the IP, for them to bring it up now hot on the heels of PS5 rumors.
So by "evolve into future star wars" they mean it is canceled and the assets are being re-purposed to be another kind of star wars game and "ignore that whole cancel thing, look we still have jedi fallen order from respawn guys"
@Rhaoulos uhhhh do you really need the ps4 to charge your dualshock? I just stick this badboy to any available micro usb in the house and charges no problem
@SKC_Diamond he wants them standard, I doubt Sony would alter the Dualshock layout to resemble the xbox controller as they'd be branded as copycats, if he really wants that asymmetrical layout he can always buy licensed 3rd party controllers
well, a hardware that can do 4k60fps as a standard, (or atleast 1080p60 standard) BC compatibility (at least from the ps4 catalog) or if they're feeling generous, from ps1 -ps4 ( highly unlikely but one can hope) I guess a better cooling system? my PS4 Pro sounds like jet engine when it runs GOW oh yeah, an SSD too if they can fit those within the 500$ (worst case) price
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Re: Sony's Censorship Guidelines Tackle Sexually Explicit Depictions of Underage Characters
Oh dear...........here's my final take on this (my own opinion I'm not claiming to be right when I say this):
Although I think playing these kind of games are morally wrong, I dont think this has any criminal basis either, consumers of these kind of games tend to avoid contact with people, their sole focus would be the characters in the game, be it a minor or looks like a minor but is also 100+ yrs old. lets keep in mind they're not actual people they're fictional characters inside a screen. its our own individual perception of whats morally right and wrong that causes us to pass these rather extreme judgements and I believe this is where Sony stands, Sony believes its in their best interest to censor these games (though it would be much better if they just let ESRB do their jobs).
If it comes to that that Sony says No to these Kind of games, then its in your right to abandon the brand all together or find another platform to play these kinds of games. Sony doesnt hold the whole gaming market, just because Sony started censoring doesnt mean the whole market would follow suit. Get them from steam, games like these dont require that much processing power your daily driver pc will do you just fine.
Re: Sony's Censorship Guidelines Tackle Sexually Explicit Depictions of Underage Characters
@WanderingBullet to be fair. I can play Fist of the Northstar and RE:2s gore is vividly depicted, they're both japanese games and they're both on the violent side, Games like Nier:Automata can still exist, we can still have that android booty while not feeling awkward at the sight of teenage girls being uhhh caressed by an octopus
Lets not make it about western games or japanese games being treated differently. If a western developer created a game like senran kagura I'm sure they'd be on the same predicament
Re: Sony's Censorship Guidelines Tackle Sexually Explicit Depictions of Underage Characters
@Jriibz fair point. even if they censored games like senran kagura I wont be buying them anyway (I'm more on the Ghibli side on the anime spectrum). I just want Sony not to be all draconian when it comes to censorship and have Kratos slapping Odin till he's unconscious in GoW's sequel.
Re: Sony's Censorship Guidelines Tackle Sexually Explicit Depictions of Underage Characters
@wiiware even better
Re: Sony Wants to Give Devs Time to Adjust to PS5's Capabilities
I guess this why suckerpunch has that joblisting for ghost of tsushima, they've gotten an extension for their deadline so might as well polish it up eh
Re: Sony's Censorship Guidelines Tackle Sexually Explicit Depictions of Underage Characters
@Ralizah @Jriibz Manhunt (that game made by rockstar) which is graphically violent and disturbing where you play as a character which actively participates in torturing (or rather you are committing actual torture) is apparently legal. I guess arguing about this is useless as we are just at the whims of what "those in charge" think is morally right and morally wrong. If they say ahem "loli-gagging" is allowed then thats the way it goes I guess ( still think its sick in the head tho)
Re: Sony's Censorship Guidelines Tackle Sexually Explicit Depictions of Underage Characters
@ApostateMage never touch the Lolis
Re: Sony's Censorship Guidelines Tackle Sexually Explicit Depictions of Underage Characters
@octane @Jriibz thats the thing there's a specific audience for these kinds of games, they like seeing depictions of underage girls engaging in sexual activities in games ( I also think they're sick in the head). Earlier I said that killing NPCs in games is not morally wrong because your not exactly killing living beings, your altering a set of data to progress the game, the same logic can also be used by the audience of these Dating Sim like games. They'd just argue "but we're not actually engaging in sexual activities in minors, its just a game"(but hey if you feel nothing wrong about the implied sexual engagement with a minor then I'll be damned) . this subject is pretty much on the morally gray area ( aside from my personal opinion that games with these premises are just wrong) and I think there can never be a truly correct answer for this problem it all boils down to what the platform holder thinks is better for their platform.
Personally I'd go for Ban games with underage girls or Just switch out those underage with older and more appropriate characters
Re: Sony's Censorship Guidelines Tackle Sexually Explicit Depictions of Underage Characters
@Octane We've come a long way from Super Mario Bros. goomba stomping to MKs depiction of Ultra Violence, like it or not Killing NPCs has been a huge part of gaming history be it a monster or humanoid in form, we've been conditioned to think that we are not killing an actual living being, we're just eliminating an obstacle in the game.
Re: Sony's Censorship Guidelines Tackle Sexually Explicit Depictions of Underage Characters
@Xaessya thats the problem right there. Can a company allow a game depicting a girl that looks like a minor (but is also 100+ years old, thats anime I guess) engaged in sexual activities? technically this is A-OK coz that girl is 100+ yrs old but how is that any different than just putting a character that is actually underage in the same scenario? Anime has always been in a grey are when it comes to censorship. I think the real problem is why are these VN game devs so fixated on creating a character that looks like a minor on these kind of games
Re: Capcom Home Arcade Is a Plug and Play Arcade Stick with 16 Built-In Games
@SegaBlueSky its like they want you to fumble your way pressing the buttons when you first use this. Not very user friendly
Re: Mark Cerny Says the PS5's Specialised Solid-State Drive Is the 'Key' to Next-Gen
@Fath they're not just introducing SSDs to the nextgen hardware, they're also introducing a 7nm ryzen cpu inside the console, problems we have with PS4s with SSDs today might be caused by that old Jaguar CPUs bottlenecking the SSDs, although a two tiered solution might be more budget friendly. who knows
Re: PS5 Will Use a Specialised Solid-State Drive to Dramatically Reduce Load Times and Improve Performance in Games
@leucocyte well..... thats the thing about these "specialized" SSDs they claim the next gen hardware will have. We dont really know what it is, does Sony make them in house? do they outsource these custom SSDs, we cant really compare them to DIY PC hardware (I'm being blindly optimistic here lol). So maybe Sony wont blindside us with another $600 price tag, we all know how that worked out for them
Re: Sony Has Just Revealed the PS5, Not Launching This Year
@Medic_alert you just answered your question as to why you're not excited about the next gen hardware.
Re: Mark Cerny Says the PS5's Specialised Solid-State Drive Is the 'Key' to Next-Gen
@Brasilkilla hopefully with better hardware it will
Re: Sony Has Just Revealed the PS5, Not Launching This Year
@ShogunRok Imagine God of War sequel on next gen hardware................... oh lawd he comin'
Re: Sony Has Just Revealed the PS5, Not Launching This Year
@Medic_alert well, people just get excited about new things there's no real reason behind them. Just because the people around you are excited for something doesnt mean you need to get hyped up as well, and that doesnt mean you ruin it for them either, if non of the information listed above interests you then nothing about the ps5 will. thats the only thing I can say. cheerio
P.S. didnt I say about games looking and performing better than what we have now? no one really gives a damn about the 8k resolution anyways, having a hardware that can do 8k should at least be able to do 4k60fps. 4K60 thats what matters not the 8k
Re: Sony Has Just Revealed the PS5, Not Launching This Year
@Rob_230 @jdv95 I've not seen an 8k TV in my local electronic store lol, that 8k is probably just for the extra swag points lol but lets hope for that 4k60fps standard
Re: Sony Has Just Revealed the PS5, Not Launching This Year
@Medic_alert
more powerful hardware - better performance
a hardware that can push 8k graphics even at least 30fps on that resolution should have no problem doing 1080p 60/4k60fps right?
and that SSD storage is not just for faster load times, that can also mean better world streaming, or hopefully no more texture pop ins. Basically people are excited about games looking better and performing better than what we have now.
Re: Don't Worry, PS5 Will Have a Disc Drive
Sony themselves helped develop the Blu-ray, doubt they'll just leave the tech behind
Re: Mark Cerny Says the PS5's Specialised Solid-State Drive Is the 'Key' to Next-Gen
better and faster storage = better world streaming
Re: PS5 Will Use a Specialised Solid-State Drive to Dramatically Reduce Load Times and Improve Performance in Games
@leucocyte NAND SSD prices started dropping this year right? I'm sure they learned from the PS3 launch fiasco
Re: PS5 Will Use a Specialised Solid-State Drive to Dramatically Reduce Load Times and Improve Performance in Games
@SoulsBourne128 I know man, lets just hope FromSoft issues a patch for the game on the "next gen console" or better yet, Bloodborne 2 as a launch title
Re: Sony Has Just Revealed the PS5, Not Launching This Year
@AdamNovice If microsoft can outdo the specs and still keep the price below PS3 launch Prices then Kudos to them, I mean it can do 8K res, and I haven't seen any 8k TVs outside of electronic shows yet
Re: PS5 Will Innovate How Game Audio Is Processed
Didnt Sony acquire Wwise this year? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Re: Sony Has Just Revealed the PS5, Not Launching This Year
@Rob_230 they say its a custom one and I read recently that SSD and RAM prices had a significant price reduction so maybe sony got a deal in buying in bulk from manufacturers?
Re: Sony Has Just Revealed the PS5, Not Launching This Year
@wiiware I spat out my drink when I saw this thing on twitter lol
Re: PS5 Confirmed to Be Backwards Compatible with PS4 Games
thank freakin' lord I can play God of War and Bloodborne on next gen hardware.
Re: Random: These Are the Best (And Stupidest) Recommended PSN Names We Could Find
I dunno, I kinda want that "malicious884soup" name
Re: Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Gets Its First Teaser Ahead of Imminent Reveal
I dont know what to feel about this
Re: Judgment Will Not Be Delayed on PS4 in the West Following Actor Allegations
Dodged a bullet there
Re: Sony Files Trademark for Long Lost PS4 Exclusive WiLD
If this is still in the works then I guess there's still hope for Deep Down
Re: Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice's Launch Trailer Is Packed with Boss Fights and Style
@Hapuc pretty sure the decision came from Activision to use the western music and english audio, still a pretty sick trailer tho
Re: CD Projekt Red Talks Cyberpunk 2077 In New PlayStation-Published Video
@jdv95 well....... seems there already is some sort of partnership between sony and CDPR.
to what extent? that we don't know
Re: Sony Gifts The Order: 1886 Developer a Replica Tesla Rifle from the Game
Checked out their twitter page because of this article, turns out they posted two other things about the order 1886, seems like Sony is testing the waters, who knows it might be an Indication that they're actually doing something with the IP, for them to bring it up now hot on the heels of PS5 rumors.
Re: God of War Cleans Up at DICE Awards 2019 with Nine Wins
@TheArt for reference, you can watch nakeyjakey's (youtuber) assessment on RDR2, maybe it will give you an Idea of why it didnt win GOTY
Re: See the Numerous Threats and Freaker Types in Latest Days Gone PS4 Trailer
@tomassi I've learned to stop using common sense when it comes to gaming. Remember that red haired cave girl who shoots arrows at mecha dinosaurs?
Re: See the Numerous Threats and Freaker Types in Latest Days Gone PS4 Trailer
when the delays are actually used to polish the game
Re: PS5 Website Domain Redirects to Official PlayStation Site
let me go grab a tinfoil hat then
Re: Pay a Premium for the PlayStation Logo on a Licensed Seagate PS4 Hard Drive
yeaaaah.................no.
I had 2 seagate external HDD die on me for reasons unknown.
Just go with Western Digital or Toshiba
Re: Days Gone Gets the Rockstar Trailer Treatment with Open World Overview
@LegendOfStewart Didn't see anything game breaking, stuttering must be due to collision and I barely noticed any shadow pop-ins
Re: Days Gone Gets the Rockstar Trailer Treatment with Open World Overview
Daaaaaamn, this game now looks way more polished now compared to the early demos they've shown,
Re: EA: 'We're Fully Committed to Making More Star Wars Games'
So by "evolve into future star wars" they mean it is canceled and the assets are being re-purposed to be another kind of star wars game and "ignore that whole cancel thing, look we still have jedi fallen order from respawn guys"
Re: Sony Reportedly Sending Out Player Survey Emails Regarding the 'Future of PlayStation'
@SKC_Diamond my bad, I was printing documents during typing, wont bother editing it though, I'm too lazy to do that
Re: Sony Reportedly Sending Out Player Survey Emails Regarding the 'Future of PlayStation'
@Rhaoulos uhhhh do you really need the ps4 to charge your dualshock? I just stick this badboy to any available micro usb in the house and charges no problem
Re: Sony Reportedly Sending Out Player Survey Emails Regarding the 'Future of PlayStation'
@SKC_Diamond he wants them standard, I doubt Sony would alter the Dualshock layout to resemble the xbox controller as they'd be branded as copycats, if he really wants that asymmetrical layout he can always buy licensed 3rd party controllers
Re: Sony Reportedly Sending Out Player Survey Emails Regarding the 'Future of PlayStation'
well, a hardware that can do 4k60fps as a standard, (or atleast 1080p60 standard)
BC compatibility (at least from the ps4 catalog) or if they're feeling generous, from ps1 -ps4 ( highly unlikely but one can hope)
I guess a better cooling system? my PS4 Pro sounds like jet engine when it runs GOW
oh yeah, an SSD too if they can fit those within the 500$ (worst case) price
Re: Sony Reportedly Sending Out Player Survey Emails Regarding the 'Future of PlayStation'
@Spectra yep that BC compatibility is a must,
reminder to anyone who may receive an email from sony, tell them to include BC on our behalf
Re: EA Reportedly Cancels Open World Star Wars Game
well, now they have assets for battlefront 3 amiright guys
Re: Dead or Alive 6 Open Beta Test Available to Download Now
hmmmmmmmmm, might give it a shot