The topic of game preservation on PlayStation is a pertinent one right now. Whatever its plans for PlayStation 3’s – and, of course, PS Vita and PSP’s – storefront, Sony doesn’t make it as easy as some of its immediate competitors to enjoy its back catalogue of games. While the platform holder will point to blockbuster remakes of cult classics like Demon’s Souls as evidence of how much it cares about its legacy, many feel that the company could be doing more.
Backwards compatibility is a more complicated issue than many forum dwellers realise. In order to resell PS1 and PS2 titles on the PlayStation Store, it needs to relicense the software in order to legally port them to PS5, and while we know it’s not impossible based on past trends – it’s clear from the company’s short-lived PS2-to-PS4 initiative that the financial incentive isn’t really there. This problem is compounded by the complicated nature of the PS3’s CELL architecture.
And yet, despite the obvious pitfalls, it feels wrong that so many of PlayStation’s best games are consigned to the past. The upcoming Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, for example, should give us all reason to revisit the numerous titles in the franchise’s back catalogue, but aside from the original’s PS4 remake – currently free as part of the company’s Play At Home initiative – all of the previous entries are tied to older platforms.
Sony, perhaps, would recommend subscribing to PS Now, where you can currently stream entries like Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in Time, but even then you’ll need to own original hardware to enjoy the series’ inaugural trilogy – either on their native PS2 or as part of the remastered collection on PS3. It does feel unfortunate that these platformers will forever be tied to older hardware; Jak & Daxter’s trilogy was ported to PS4, but Ratchet & Clank and Sly Cooper were left behind.
Of course, it’s nice to want things, but the reality is that Sony needs an income stream to make that happen. There’s an argument to be made that the goodwill generated by multi-generational backwards compatibility would make it worth the platform holder’s time alone, but the manufacturer would probably counter that its money is much better spent on new software, whether it’s first-party projects like Horizon Forbidden West or timed exclusives such as Forspoken.
That’s obviously up for debate, but what if we explored a hypothetical alternative: would you be willing to pay for PS3, PS2, or PS1 emulators on your PS5? Hear us out: hobbyists have been creating PC-based emulators for older PlayStation consoles for years now, and many of them are pretty good. The likes of RetroArch, EPSXE, Mednafen, PCSX2, and RPCS3 (to name just a few) allow you to enjoy classic PlayStation games on modern hardware. Some of these, ironically, actually run on Xbox Series X|S.
What if, and again this is completely hypothetical, Sony created and supported its own emulators for use on PS5? We’re imagining a scenario whereby the software is released on the PS Store, available for purchase, and effectively allows you to play your classic games on Sony’s next-gen console. You’d need original, physical copies to enjoy the titles, but the emulator could perhaps include some basic features, such as different aspect ratios, borders, and anti-aliasing.
It’s important to be realistic about what these kind of programs could and would offer. While we’re confident Sony would be able to deliver very good emulators – especially seeing as it owns the original hardware patents – it probably wouldn’t be able to guarantee flawless functionality across the entirety of its previous consoles’ libraries; there are titles that simply wouldn’t work. Furthermore, there’d be no support for Trophies – outside of PS3 – and legacy peripherals, like lightguns.
Also, while you could argue that something like this should be offered for free, there’d need to be a revenue stream as alluded to previously. As such, we’re proposing this based on the idea that you’d purchase the emulators from the PS Store; this would support the development and maintenance, as Sony technically wouldn’t be selling any new software if it were to follow a path like this. How much would you be willing to pay?
It’s an interesting thought experiment, isn’t it? In many ways this would preserve the legacy of old PlayStation software, while still allowing Sony to profit from it. Obviously we’re hypothesising a lot – Sony would know better about the legalities and investment required to deliver something like this – but is it an idea you’d perhaps like to see explored? Do you care enough about your past catalogue to potentially purchase an emulator for your PS5?
Would you be willing to buy an emulator in order to play your old physical PlayStation games on PS5? What kind of features and functionality would you expect to make this worth your while? And if you were interested, how much would you be willing to pay? Embrace your retro side in the comments section below.
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All I want is a solution.
Sony's library of games both first and third party goes back so many decades and is filled with so many big names that are either lost to the sands of time or are no longer playable past 2 or 3 generations of hardware
Considering how seriously Sony used to take backwards compatibility on both their home consoles and even their handhelds (especially the PS Vita), the PS5 has so much potential to be this big central hub for PlayStation's entire history. If they put out their own version of a Virtual Console or even just bring back the Classics Line, expand on the PS2 titles available and add PS3 games while they're at it, they could probably have a very enticing answer to how insane Microsoft's equivalent program is right now.
Basically, I don't want to have to keep my PS3 around or resort to an emulator for stuff like Metal Gear Solid 4 or the first two LittleBigPlanets. PS4 games being playable at all on PS5 was a big step in the right direction and they might as well go all the way
I would pay even 100 dolars one time pay for such thing. There is basically no legal way to play ps1-ps3 games at the time. Ps now is not available in my country and streaming is not an option for me. What anout remastering by emulation? And the fact that Tempest is similar to Cell? Make it happen Sony
Absolutely I would! I was gutted when I first found out PS5 isn't backwards compatible with PS1, PS2 and PS3 games. This is what I've always wanted the most.
I literally just repurchased a ps3 a few days ago purely because I found my Ratchet, Sly, Jak and Daxter, Tomb Raider and God of War HD collections in the attic... So although it would be awesome to have ps3 emulation for my PS5, I don't think I'd use it.
(I'd also be skeptical of the emulation quality itself after hearing Jak is a bit dodgy on ps4)
Still have my PS2 as well, so I'm covered playing all the PS home consoles natively.
Now if they emulated and upscaled PSP and Vita games I'd be interested
I'd be all over this like a cheap suit
I have so many old PS1 and PS2 discs up in the loft with no easy way to play them.
This would be the perfect solution
Yes, let's emulate them and then bring back the storefront/purchases for those older stores. Legacy support is important.
Later revisions of the PS3 emulated PS2 hardware. PS2 classics on PS3 are not native ports, they're an executable wrapped in an emulator shell. The PS3 was also capable of PSP emulation (though it's locked and compatibility is terrible). The PS1 Classic mini console is running the PCSX emulator.
Sony is no stranger to emulation on/of their own hardware, they'd just have to care enough to actually implement it on the PS5, which they could easily do...but they won't.
Had they done this on the PS4 I absolutely would have paid for the option to use all my PS1/PS2/PS3 discs on the PS4. When I do manage to grab a PS5, it'll be the digital version so, no, it's not appealing to me anymore. Plus, I still have my PS1, PS2, and PS3 hardware, so if I want to go back, I can go back.
@Playstation How much would it cost for the PS3 and PS2 hardware I wonder? Emulation would be difficult, so they've had to make the CELL again.
I'd be happy if they emulated the Vita TV, that in turn played PS1, PSP and Vita games.
I'm very certain the PS5 could manage it, as could a base PS4.
Personally adding in trophies to old gen games isn't something that would make me jump up and down, but resolution and FPS options would be very interesting.
This is a great idea. Like @thefrenchiestfry said - I just want a solution.
I am actually one of the crazy people who bought a polymega - but this is mainly for the Saturn games.
It's a great idea to build and/or sell the emulator. Then you can also sell the games digitally, but if you have the disk you are great. Plus it opens up publishers being able to release limited runs again. Imagine squenix releasing ff7 again on PS1!
Nothing wrong with a good emulator
Nope. The thought of playing old games is almost always far better than the reality. I put endless hours into my Spectrum and C64 games in the 80s, with super fond memories of a lot of them. But that's where they should stay imo - I've never wanted to get one of the many emulators freely available for those machines. The graphics and gameplay would be embarrassingly bad now, and would also spoil said memories.
There's quite a few PS2 games that I wouldn't mind replaying, and some PS3 games that I'd like to try out. Some sort of official emulator would be lovely.
I would for more than 100 but ONLY if it added trophy challenges to the emulated games. Doubting this though, It’s for this trophy reason that I voted ps3. Still have the god of war games and such I’ve never played as I mained the 360 last last gen.
Very fair article.
But yes, I'd absolutely pay for this.
Hell at this point if they released a hardware plugin option I'd hop on it.
I can't believe PS3 is top of that list, many of its games haven't aged very well due to the performance of the system, personally I'd put PS2 at the too. A phenomenal library and many play great today, with lots of 60fps games too but I'd want all 3 preferably.
As for payment, I'd be more than happy with a one off payment similar to a new game in return for being able to play my own discs
Yes !! But I would love a HD re-release for The Legend of Dragoon !!
Nah I'm good, wouldn't personally have a use for it. But I can certainly see the appeal for some people and it would probably be pretty popular.
I want all of the PS1, 2 and 3 with all Sonic, Rayman and Mortal Kombat games.
PS3.. but it is very unrealistic in my opinion. i didn't own a PS1 or 2, with no great desire to play anything from that era, even if it was free. i would guess that acquiring licences for old software that isn't currently available is such a massive hassle in a lot of cases that it wouldn't be worth the effort.
i'd be more interested in remakes for PS4 or PS5 of the vita exclusives that never made the jump to consoles. golden abyss, killzone mercenary, little deviants..
i'd rather they focus on the future than trying to live off the past though. it seems to me that backwards compatibility always comes up at the start of a generation then quickly disappears into the rearview mirror as people can't keep up with the amount of modern games they have a backlog to play..
I still have all the gens (aside from the current one!) all hooked up and ready to go
With trophies then yes. Without then no, RetroArch has me covered on that front. PS3 would be nice though.
I still have a later-model PS3 hooked up, so PS2 is the one generation I'm (mostly) locked out of in my current setup. That makes it an easy vote. Sure I'd be willing to pay im the $20-$60 range if the support was worth the price. Shame this is such a massive hypothetical question though.
I don't think the blu ray drives on PS4 and 5 can read CDs so PS1 would probably be out of the question for physical discs.
I would happily pay more than $100 on a PS3 emulator for PS5, for the others I would say $50 each. Still I don't see this ever happening, Sony's current leadership can't make trucks of money on old games.
A paid-for PS emulator is an interesting concept. I’d certainly pay for this, on the basis that I could use either digital or disc purchases.
In my hypothetical version, there would be a tab or page per PS, and each tab/page would allow access to a slimmed down storefront, tailored to each machine. Going by what already exists digitally, only the PS2 would lose out on this front, compared to the number of digital PS1 and PS3 games already available. You could always add in the two handhelds as well.
This would mean that Sony would get money from the emulator and other digital purchases, and allowing this to remain very separate from the “proper” PS store as well.
I can dream!!
I would also need to find and buy a PS5 as well!!
An emulator would have to offer more solutions than just emulation. I want to be able to pop in a disc and convert it to a working ISO that is stored on the device. If it can’t offer something like that, well, my PC already hits the mark. Sorry Sony.
I need a way to play my PS2 discs. I have two PS3s and a PS4 so really it's only my PS2 disc collection collecting dust. I've still never even played 1 of them.
I wouldn't subscribe to a BC service...
I would buy a PS1-3 emulator, even work-in-progress.
But that's unlikely, because Sony is all about the money now and the PS5 doesn't even have a CD laser.
I would possibly spend around £5-10 on each emulator to play the games on a console. I wish Xbox would throw their emulator out into the wild too because even now, you are limited to their BC games list. I'd love to just have the emulator to use how I wanted to with no expectation that every single game would run perfectly.
Yes. Next question.
I’ve bought a PS1/2 and BC PS3 as a spare for my ancient PS3 just to keep my library alive. I’d gladly pay for an emulator. If it carries over to PS6 etc I’d happily pay 100$
@Snake_V5
Exactly this!!
Gutted to hear PS5 wasn't back comp with older systems. If so, I would've been a day-one adopter.
I'd defo pay $100 (once) to unlock the option to play my PS2 games on a PS5. Have those with trohies would be a bonus!
Everybody saying "there's no legal way to play these old games now..."....can't you all just, like, you know - dig your old consoles out and play them ? Or buy one from CEX and an old TV to play them on ? There's your solution right there 🤷 . Probably the cheaper option too
need an all of them option in the poll.
@rjejr Buy a used PS2 ?
I would pay any price to bring back the first Socom Navy Seals Online gameplay on PS2.
@Medic_Alert It's really sad, but I'm right there with you. I have a bunch of emulators installed on my computer and my phone, a Wii and an N64, and I just never touch any of them. I think the only games I still go back and play are some of the old Zelda and Mario games, but that's about it. All of the other retro games that I have are either taking up space just sitting on my hard drive or in my closet. Great memories, but I just don't have the time anymore to go back and play the old stuff.
Sorry, but no. The reason is I kept all my past consoles and game Disc. I have PS1 through PS5 all in great working order.
Some gamers would care but not all. Many that want to play PS1-PS3 have those systems already. You can play a ton of 360 games on Xbox but not that many Original Xbox games. But if you still own a 360 you can play those games. I know it's hard but may be time to just give up on this pipe dream happening.
I have most ps3 games I want, gonna buy the last of them and update them all/purchase all dlc before the store is offline. As for the others, ps2 never got updates or dlc and ps1 I have all for emulation on a psp. No need for meeee.
I’m actually very surprised that PS2 isnt the number one answer currently. I personally chose PS3 because my disc drive on my PS3 is broken and I have a lot of games I can’t play. I was about halfway through MGS 3 when it happened I have still not played through the series and I’m super bummed about it.
I’d buy the classic games again for PS5 individually if:
1. They released each game with their own bespoke version of the emulator, like what MS do
2. The games were released physically, with the entire content on a disc that doesn’t require a day one update
Unless both of those two points were met I wouldn’t bother. No way I’d purchase anything digital. I still have original PS1, PS2 and PS3 consoles hooked up so can play the games on those. But having re-releases on PS5 would be nice, especially for rarer titles that have become more expensive.
Obviously I know my idea will never happen so I will continue to use original hardware.
I just wanna play all the older R&C's!
I hope that, if they do ever do this, it will include PSP and Vita stuff.
No, it would require me to have a usable PS5 first. A PS2 emulator on PS4, maybe... provided the compatibility with Remote Play, of course.
There are obviously a fair share of games from the PS1/PS2 era that don't age well, but for those that did, I would like a way to play them. As someone with a respectable retro collection, disc based games are tough to find in good playable condition. Many PS1 games have the potential to be lost if they are not brought back. Having a vita/ps3 has been great in this case (hacked or not). Being able to play Suikoden 2 and many others on these platforms keep them alive. The lack of these vast libraries on PS4, PS5, and PS Now is inexcusable.
The PS2 games that came to PS4 were great! I played Rogue Galaxy and the Jak series for the first time. Trophy support was an awesome addition as well.
@ShiningStar I disagree. I've just bought a handheld emulator that plays all my favourites from back in the C64 and Amiga days, and I'm having a blast! While graphically yes, they have aged, some of them are still awesome. Impossible Mission is still great!
I personally thing that Sony should make the PSVita into an emulation machine, where it can play PS games natively, but then allow me to also download retro games onto it, from all the past consoles. Imagine having the PSVita relevant again!
While it should be free, I would honestly pay £100+ without question I am that desperate for this feature, just to be able to use my discs. I honestly want backwards compatibility more than any game. PS2 and PS3 mostly, and probably in that order.
I just think there needs to be some sort of law that allows for "illegal" emulation if a game is no longer "genuinely purchasable" and no other form has existed in the last 10 years. Otherwise it's basically forcing an art form to fade out of existence, and Id bet there would be magically a lot more emulation support from Sony.and all other publishers to make sure they keep getting paid
Another point of value in regard to backwards compatibility is the ability to play online games whose populations have since declined.
A good example would be Left 4 Dead 2 on the Xbox 360 which I've been playing a whole a lot of on the Series S, with my friend who's playing on a base Xbox One.
Sure the servers aren't the best but the fact that they are as functional as they are and still running after 12 damn years is pretty impressive.
This goes the same for system link. I'd love to have a lan-party between a PS2 and PS5 for certain games if Sony carries over the functionality like Microsoft has done with each generation of Xbox.
Saw the headline, came straight to the comments to say "Yes, of course".
Let me read back.
it would depend on the game but there are some across all 3 generations id happily buy again
I do think it's a shame that I can only play Metal Gear Solid V (I bought it on a PS store sale, but haven't taken the plunge). Every Reddit says I MUST play the others first! Ok. How? Crossing my fingers for the rumoured Bluepoint remake, but I would pay for an emulator this reason.
I'd either have emulator and ROMs included in psnow or the possibility to purchase them individually. I wouldn't pay for an emulator on it's own though.
@Bingbongboyo for me, it's like the 'don't meet your heroes' thing. I have fond memories that I'd rather leave there. That includes Impossible Mission though, actually!
'Stay a while...stay..FOREVER!'
Most likely ps2 games.but ps3 had amazing games also.same as ps1 games.word up son
I wouldn't support this unless the games had trophy support for the PS1PS2 games.
@joehod They have 4 and the hd collection on the ps3 section of psnow
To many times I have been disappointed by thinking SONY will do some sort of full B/C and they never do so now I don't bother thinking about it :-/ When I found out the PS5 could just play PS4 games I finally put all my PS1 & PS2 & PS3 discs away in a dark cupboard(& cried) THE END
@ShiningStar ha! Yeah, fair enough.
@Carl-G Well to be fair when PS3 did full backward compatibly nobody gave a dam. So they removed it. Now all of a sudden everyone claim they want it or emulators, when in reality they won't use it either. There is only a small small group of people who actually play older games, and those people already know where to get them free of charge.
@Areus Great shout. Cheers!
What really grinds my gears is that native ps1 ps2 and psp emulators already exist on your ps4! They are simply locked away in the firmware and are utilized by a handful of games such as Medieval, Parappa the rapper and locoroco remastered. Hackers/enthusiasts have definitively proven with Jailbroken ps4s that proper legacy support is not only possible but actually exists now... They just refuse to let you use it properly, Jim Ryan needs to get a grip!
PS1 for Xenogears and PS3 for Metal Gear Rising. Give it to me (please)
I’ve been looking at getting an original Wii and a Gameboy Advance SP to enjoy my favorite era of Nintendo again. I really wish Nintendo would just add GBA games to their VC on the 3DS or Switch. Same goes for GameCube and Wii games.
But oh well. I’ve waited for Nintendo to do this for so long it’s time to just buy everything on eBay. I swear if Nintendo made these titles available they’d make bank.
On the PlayStation note I still have my PS3 so I’d love to see PS2 emulation. PlayStation legacy games just don’t tickle me the same way Nintendo’s do though.
I'd be a little mad if Sony put an emulator on PS5 and then charged for it. Especially if they charged PER system. Xbox may not be able to play 100% of legacy games from X360 and OG Xbox, but Microsoft doesn't charge extra for the privilege to play the games that are supported!
Then again, I wouldn't be mad enough not to pay for it if it meant an emulator that covers every single generation of PlayStation and I could insert the current PS2/PS3 physical games I own - as well as play the PSOne Classics I already own on PSN.
Then, I can get rid of my refurbished 60GB PS3 with the built-in PS2 hardware.
I barely have time for the new games I want to play, let alone older stuff. Plus I don't think alot of older stuff holds up particularly well. It's fun for half an hour or so, then always back to current games. Which is exactly how I see happening with everyone here too if such a service were made available.
Even though my PC can run every emulator out there flawlessly, I wouldn't mind throwing $60 Sony's way for a PS1, 2 and 3 emulators for the PS5 so I can natively enjoy my classic physical collection.
Either give me an emulator for those rare games that cost hundreds physically or just make them available on ps now.
Understanding that the PS3 is a complicated beastie to emulate, there’s absolutely no reason why PS5 shouldn’t be able to run psone, & PS2 discs right out of the box!! No excuse Sony ...PS3 I’ll let you slide even though that’s the one I wanted most!!
No,in my opinion the majority of old games are ok for a curiosity ,but on a big TV the graphics hurt my eyes and the mechanics give me stomach ache ,the original red dead on xbox is painful as are all the other bc games ,ugh waste of time and money I'd rather them put their efforts into either total overhauls like demon souls,or brand new modern games,in my experience the memories of old games don't really hold up to the reality ,the majority all look and play like crap.
@joey302 yeah but who owns those games,are there enough to warrant the development of an emulator,or if people are such a fan there's some great emulators out there for your phone or android TV.
@Deadlyblack which ps3 emulator runs games flawlesly on pc?
@OrigamiCrane why are they hypocrites there's a big difference playing an emulated game with blurry graphics and stiff dated mechanics to one with shiny graphics and updated mechanics.
I'm surprised about how many of you would buy a emulator while Xbox has since day one, for free. That's why Sony does what they always do.
I voted PS3 games, however i could not vote for how much i would pay. I need to know the quality of the emulator to answer if or how much i would pay.
Add it in as a free upgrade because I am not buying. I still have my PS3 if I wanted to play any old games
Not if they still require old discs. Should be similar to cureent playstation streaming games with a monthly fee. Many people have already sold old systems & games to pay for upgrades to next gen systems.
I would definitely pay $100+. I have 115 PS1, 152 PS2, and 149 PS3 games.
I don't really see the sense in this approach.
Why would so many publishers want their legacy games available for sale on Xbox, but not on PlayStation? They would certainly license to PlayStation if Sony offered the feature. All they have to do is submit the games and pricing to Sony and Sony must do the rest, like Microsoft does. The platform holders then earn a commission off each digital game copy sold. Sony can't lock the emulators behind a paywall. Charging users for a feature that their competitor offers for free would generate more negative buzz than not supporting the feature at all.
Microsoft has a team dedicated to back compat and they do all the testing themselves. In fact, to ensure the best experience possible, each game is packaged in an optimized version of their emulator (as opposed to one master emulator that runs all games), which they modify for each title (actually, Sony took this approach for PS2 on PS4). This is the reason why there are still many older Xbox titles that are not supported; they must evaluate whether enough people are interested in playing a game for all this work to be worthwhile. And even if Sony were to go with the master emulator method, testing for each title and maintenance is still required.
This explains why Sony is unlikely to take the same approach; it simply isn't worth it for them. Unlike Microsoft, Sony's pockets aren't overflowing with near-infinite streams of cash. Let's not forget that the corporation was a sinking ship financially only a few years ago. They have become a much leaner company since their recovery. As such, they're not likely to make such a significant investment in a back compat team when it may not be all that profitable, especially when they're already the market leader.
Believe me, this situation upsets me more than most, but it's the reality, unfortunately.
I would use an emuator on the Ps5 to play ps 1 to ps3 games. However I will probably just buy an og Ps3 with backward compat. Though with Sony crappily shutting down the psp, Ps3, and Ps Vita stores soon, they say this clock battery thing could be an issue. Though I'm sure they can find a work around. With my Ps5 and og Ps3 i can play all games in the playstation ecosystem. Which rocks. In addition they are all enhanced.
Emulator is worthless to me because I didn't have ps1, ps2, or ps3 disc. I rather have sony sold the games in question digitally like they do on ps3.
There should be an option for all of them. I would buy all of them.
I have my PC for that, but playstation classic isn't a bad idea.
I have just enough time on my hands at the moment to play my ps4 backlog and whatever ps5 games rock up..once lockdown restrictions are eased and i can back to the golf course then that spare time is going to be reduced massively so although i can appreciate that people would like this i would never use it..
as much as i love playing my games library 🤣
il stick with xbox for my old games. and my ps3 with ps2 compatibility.
sonys ps3 technology is a headache for them anyway so im not expecting playing my ps3 discs on a new playstation console anytime soon. when i think of ps3 games that psnow subscription they want you to get comes to mind.
i prefer the physical game than pay for psnow i have most of those games.
gamepass is way better than what that psnow is. still wont stop me getting a ps5 though!
@get2sammyb How do you imagine this working? Do you pay for an emulator, and then pay for the games on top of it, or is it an all-inclusive type of deal? Nintendo doesn't/didn't charge for the NES emulator separately.
Game preservation is a big deal to me. I do collect retro games but there are some games I can never play without emulation because of rarity and cost. Also, playing games on a modern set up is great. I understand that most players say they want it but don't play it and I don't play retro over newer games typically. However, for me, it is madness not to monetize nostalgia. I'd love to be able to have a library of retro games on a modern console.
Xbox is great for this, true, but Playstation has such a great legacy.
It's insane to think for a second that Sony would go to the trouble of creating emulators and then sell them for a one off fee when they could just as easily sell emulated games on a per title basis and make much more £££
As someone who has over a hundred ps1 and a hundred ps2 games, compatible consoles is really helpful. I had to drop down to a ps2 for a ps1 game (final fantasy ii) because it crashes on ps3. Many of us said it at the time:
Ps5 would be a day one purchase if it included some back compatability.
Of course, finding one anyway is a game in itself. There is no market value in offering it when they are all sold out anyway.
We have the disks of old games, and there is a market for old games for old consoles. New consoles would do well to either allow us to buy methods of keeping up to date while maintaining old libraries, or resell old games digitally in the same fashion as previously. Naturally most of us prefer the method that allows us to keep the games so it isn't an issue when shopfronts close...
Bundle the full emulator license with an official USB CD drive for people with their old collection, but also add a load of games to the store that are just an ISO and a license to use the emulator against that specific ISO.
Not everyone has the discs for the former, and Sony wouldn't have the rights to all games for the latter, but it's the perfect balance between game preservation, maintaining their rights, and looking after their commercial interests.
A PS3 compatible version might end up with extra hardware in the USB peripheral to get around some of the issues with emulating its rather unique chip design.
This would be great for those who want to go back and play older titles and there is perhaps a couple of games I would play through again but not many. I have purchased the classic consoles (and have most of the originals) but I can honestly say other than booting them up initially for nostalgia (the NES/Megadrive/SNES/Neogeo classics etc) I haven't once gone back to them. I do occasionally play classic SNES games on the Switch because Nintendo puts them on out for free with the online pass but I much prefer modern games.
I probably would pay a one-off, lowish fee for ALL of them but realistically, would I actually play any of the games? Probably not. Maybe some of the old PES games, GTA VC and SA, Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3. A handful of others. Then the novelty would wear off real quick and I'd never use it again.
Buy an emulator? Not sure I would. For example: if it's a digital game, the emulator should be part of the package.
If it's a disc game, I should be able to play it without having to pay again for the chance to do so.
Making older games work on PS5 without cost would be great optics for Sony.
I'll pay whatever for the emulator but I won't rebuy the ps1/ps2 games I bought on ps3.
I can run a ps1 emulator off my phone ffs, the fact that we don't have it on PS5 is pathetic.
@vapidwolf I’m willing to bet that many hardcore gamers still have their psone,2 & 3 physical libraries like i do hence the desire for backwards compatibility on ps5. And I’ve never even played a game on my cell phone lol
@Darth_Stofi you should take a look at a decent upscaler. I bought an Open Source Scan Converter. It works great, upscales with zero lag. It's pricey (about £150) but it will work on all your consoles as long as you have VGA/RGBScart/Component cables for them. The Wii playing gamecube games looks really really good, as does dreamcast and PS1. Ps2 is the worst looking but it's still servicable.
I don't have any physical PS games for PS1/2/3, so this wouldn't really do anything for me. Plus, if I need to own the physical games anyway, I might as well buy a PS3 for cheap.
A digital store for those games would be ideal, but probably won't happen.
@joey302
I do still have all my ps1-3 games, but also the consoles. So yes having it for ps5 would save space, but unless the emulator added to the games (trophy support at a minimum) I’d have little reason to bother with an emulator.
Not had PS2 compatibility since my 60Gb PS3 died after about 5 years of loyal service and PS1 games look terrible on big wide-screen TVs. It'd need a heck of a upscaler to make those playable!
Thing is, the PS4 has more than enough grunt to emulate a PS1 or PS2.
PS3 is a bit more tricky but surely the PS5's eight-core Zen 2 CPU should be enough to cope with mimicking the PS3's SPEs though with these being RISC instruction chips it may be more difficult? That said, MS have managed that with the 3 core Power PC Xenon though they did have unified memory on their side.
I think it's laughable that some bedroom coders can do on a PC what Sony can't with their technical expertise and resources?
PS1 and PS2 should be a given - PS3 might be more difficult but so many 3rd party devs didn't use the PS3 architecture properly and that's why we ended up with jaggies and screen tear central on some of the initial PS3 games.
I'd happily pay 100+ for an emulator that ran all 3
If Sony doesn't provide an emulator (and I would happily pay for it!), then I will jailbreak my Vita and install RetroArch. Sad but it's a simple solution. If Sony doesn't want to provide a way to legally buy games for legacy systems, then I don't care about legality of such actions because Sony will make me do this.
PS3, just so I could play Resistance, Fall of Man, Resistance 2, Infamous, again.
I have 2 ps3s with mechanical issues and I'm done sticking money into those obsolete things. Buying an emulator that works well would be more sensible. Still would like to play through Puppeteer.
I guess that it depends on what you mean by emulator. If I was able to play all of the PS1, PS2 and PS3 discs that I already own on a new system, I would be all over that! Yes, no question.
But if you're talking about buying new versions of those same games that I already own, then no.
Why should I?! Why would you not build this into your system or release for free? Xbox bc is the gold standard and we should be demanding the same from Sony, not quizzing ourselves about whether we pay 20 or 50 quid for to play bc discs.
I'm playing through the original FFVII and would really like to play Crisis Core when I'm done, but I don't have a PSP nor plan on purchasing one.
PS3 would be the best. I thought it had better exclusives then the PS4 era, hottake I know but Japan Studios was very active on that platform; they make/pub. Unique/fun feeling games. Plus much of the good PS2 games were remastered or published onto the PSStore. That generation was the best. I still play my PS3; just went through the Puppeteer again and now playing through Ratchet and Clank.
Also PSP and Vita emulators would be the bee's knees.
@deathaxe I'm unsure if it's ever been proven that PS4 (and 5 I guess) is physically incapable of reading cds, people just assume it from what I can gather.
it would certainly make it incredibly unique if it is the case, I've never seen another another disc based device with that limitation.
@KingPev Way back when, when I traded in my PS2, it was right when the SLim models were announced, so I thought I could get top $ for my old one, which I did, then I waited for a sale on the PS2 Slims, and befor eI knew it they just weren't in stock anywhere. And ever since I've bene waiting for the PS4 or PS5 to play those discs. Starting to look slim now. Might be cheaper just t repurchase all of my old PS2 games than buy a used system to replay some old games. Or, you know, illegal PC emulation. I tried one of those many years ago and it ran like garbage, probably better now. But if Sony offered a $20 emulator on PS5, sure, why not.
tldr; not a fan of buying used.
@deathaxe Well GOG is DRM free, so that's not really comparable; it's more understandable that publishers would have concerns over piracy there. We're talking about closed consoles and old games. These same publishers are already selling their last 8 years worth of releases on PlayStation Store. There's just no reason to believe they wouldn't want to offer their legacy catalog on PlayStation when they're already doing the same on Xbox.
PS1 had some of the best RPGs ever made and I've had them emulated on my PC for many years as most of those companies are long gone and sadly this will always be the case for many great games. Even if Sony decided to offer some sort of emulation, it doesn't solve later issues like patches, DLC etc that would have to be tracked down just to make some of the latter games playable. All of this just means I don't think Sony will bother as they have the numbers of what was downloaded and this surely played into their decision to say that older games just aren't played, downloaded etc enough to warrant keeping them alive. I will continue to praise emulation for allowing us play older games but I do think going forward you may not run into this again if Sony is smart and just builds on the PS4 architecture so that every PlayStation going forward will natively play the games going back to PS4.
I want them to do what Nintendo is doing and just have an app that you subscribe to and they regulardly(ish) update it with old games. I'd be totally fine with that.
having looked over RPCS3 emulator catalogue, it currently lists 48 of the games i own on PS3 to be "playable".. 114 are not playable, and the rest presumably untested (or takedowns issued). more than half of the 48 that are playable have been ported/remastered/remade anyway.. almost all of the sony games i own are in the 114 that are not playable, so PS3 emulation seems like it would present more hassles than it's really worth. it'd probably be easier to run some kind of wine-like compatibility layer or an equivalent of SteamPlay on PS5's unix O/S to run the PC version of a game (where it exists) and use PS now for first party games.
PS1 and PS2 for sure, even PSP / Vita, but couldn't care less about PS3 support. The games aren't old enough to be retro, so they're just janky sub-par experiences. Also, the installation and maintenance of games was such a balls he, that it honestly my least favourite console of all time
I'm all for an emulator but I also worry about the logistics. If you have to buy digital copies, that's going to severely limit what games are available. I have several licensed games and some obscure games that I very much doubt would ever become digitized.
I would buy PS1, PS2, and PS3 emulators for my PS5 despite having multiple original working consoles from each generation (including the original 60 gig PS3 which plays PS1/PS2 games with actual hardware supported emulation).
Eventually they will all breakdown. Sony would probably be hesitant to do this because they'd rather sell you the same game over and over again, but it would be great if they could make this happen. I would be willing to pay up to 60 dollars per emulator, or 100 for all three rolled into one release. If they throw in some rudimentary resolution scaling, and a couple of halfway decent filters all the better.
I doubt we could buy an all encompassing emulator(s),albeit as has already been mentioned the PS4 was using ps2/psp emulation for the short lived classics range & couple of psp ports.
Given PS Now continues to only have a limited availability (& a no go for slower internet territories like Down Under),a better & more widely available option to buy/play locally would be welcome.
Even with the licensing/tech issues,Sony has access to a large back catalogue of games along with the 3rd party ones.
@OrigamiCrane well I dont care about those and if any of that ilk appear on ps5 I just wont buy them,im interested to know which ps4 remaster was worse than its retro counterpart ?
@joey302 well you or they cant be that hard-core if they've sold the consoles that allow them to play the games they own,bit dumb that ,are you just hoping Sony will release an emulator one day ? May I recommend buying a ps2 and ps3 so you will actually get some use out of your collection.
@PSoneboi yeah I got a hardrive filled with hundreds of retro games from the zx spectrum to ps2 and everything in between, the majority are curios and i never play them for more than a couple of minutes because they're dreadful,but like you say their are a few gems,but not enough to warrant Sony pumping millions into developing an emulator that runs all ps games,if people are that desperate to play decades old games and they're really into it,it really isn't that hard to accomplish,I have a feeling they will soon realise it was the memory attached to those games that was great not the actual game.
I still have my full fat PS3 so I'm good.
@vapidwolf you are missing the point, probably deliberately. People would like one console that could play everything, I'm sure a lot of them still have the original consoles, I do. Also, bc protects old digital generations from being cast adrift, like seemingly what is happening to ps3.
This would certainly be better than what they have now, but I feel like if Sony announced this they would just get raked over the coals online. It wouldn't compare well to Xbox's already superior, and most importantly, free, backwards-compatibility offerings.
My personal preference would be for the emulators to be free and the games available for purchase digitally on the PS Store.
My PS3 is alive and well so I've got that covered. And my PS2 kinda comes and goes. But I'd definitely pony up the dough to be able to dust off my PS1 copy of Return Fire.
I would in a heartbeat I just want to be able to play every Ratchet and Clank game on the same console, or at least on something different than a PS3 I just can't stand the dualshock 3.
@KingPev
Issue is that on pre 7th Gen consoles you either need a CRT (they are very temperamental these days due to age) or you need to mod the console for RGB and use a device such as the framemeister to get decent performance on a modern LED/OLED display. Otherwise they look awful.
Not everyone has the skills or even the space to keep an old console collection up and running. Old disc consoles are becoming a pain in the ass. The Playstation Phat isn’t too bad since swapping the laser is easy. But you still need to mod it for RGB to get a decent picture out of it on a modern display.
@Balosi so they would have to buy them digitally again if that was the case, or are you suggesting they use physical in which case your argument is irrelevant,digital content for ps1 and ps2 games are readily available with some great emulators and you can play those without actually using the console you own or the physical versions,you can play most ps4 games via ps5,so your issue is ps3 games really of which there is no stable emulator ,the cell architecture of the ps3 is nigh on impossible to emulate to correctly ,so really the only option is to own an original ps3 or subscribe to ps now and play them on the ps5,so your argument is you want to be able to play ps3 games natively on the ps5 ,thats never gonna happen, if you want more ps3 games maybe ask Sony to make them all available on ps now.but you own all the consoles and so can play your collection when you like without having to shell out for a digital version,it seems arguing for arguings sake is the order of the day here.
@TheRedComet yeah I've got an old 18 in CRT and it weighs a tonne ! 😂 Weighs more than my 65in 4k TV. Luckily it plays fine with the old RGB cables but yeah I understand not everyone has the space nor inclination to set these up
@vapidwolf arguing for arguings sake? Like making lots of posts on a topic that you claim to have no interest in you mean?
@thefourfoldroot of course I still have those consoles hooked up as well (my Fat PS3 to play them all) but it’s for me more about the convenience of playing your older games on current gen hardware and maintaining your digital purchases going forward. Besides how many consoles can you have hooked up at the same time anyway lol. And most like me are concerned about the digital aspect of your PS3 purchases and what will happen with the money we invested in them, not the physical games as much.
@deathaxe I did not know that i assumed it did wow thanks ...makes more sense to me now.
@deathaxe I’ve always felt that backwards compatibility for older games is a great feature to have available to us on new consoles going all the way back to Colecovision with the 2600 adapter, the Atari 7800 running 2600 carts and the Sega Master System adapter they made for the Genesis. Pretty convenient I feel.
@joey302
The inability to trade back digital games is why I only buy physical or get digital only when on heavy sale. I don’t keep old games as I always have new games I want to play. Too little time!
For me emulation would be to play games I missed.
Not bothered, and wouldn't pay.
Still got a fat 60GB PS3 and a PS3 slim, the latter of which has been used once since I got my PS4.
I don't buy new systems to play old games.
@thefourfoldroot agreed. I predominantly buy physical too. Always have. Digital has no trade in value although one could argue that stores like Gamestop has dismal trade in values anyway. But I keep the older games anyway as I’ve also become a collector over the years more than a gamer now due also to a lack of time with work, kids etc . But the other thing with emulation or backwards compatibility to me is I think most gamers would agree that there’s always a bunch of older games we always wanted to try out but never had the chance. So Whatever option you choose to play older games, I’m sure glad they exist!
@Bingbongboyo PS Vita would need a sequel for that to happen. I love the Vita, I’m holding it right now, but the hardware is a little old. 720p screen with L2 and R2, a glossy or matte white and blue design and better WiFi and processing. Then make actual games for it that are unique enough to not be able to be made on PS5, as well as what you said. Then you have a huge success on your hands.
@joehod Buy MGS 1 on PSP, 3 or Vita. If you don’t have those systems, then buy just the disk so you can legally emulate it. After that, play the collection on PS Now, 3 or Vita.
@Goat_FromBOTW yeah, a sequel would be great. I play PS1 games on my little handheld that I bought, so it should be possible for the Vita to play those games, but if a sequel had L2/R2 buttons, and the rest that you mention, to make it able to play, say up to PS3 games, then yes, a huge success. A machine that can play any game from PS3 all the way back to Atari 2600? Take my money!
I actually wanted to vote to have all 3 platforms emulated as there are old games I still would like to play for PSX, 2 and 3.
@joehod So 2,3 and 4 are on PS Now if that helps. 1 would have to be on a PS3 or Vita. Alternatively if you had a PS3 you could play them all as V came out on it too!
@hobbes242 can't you play that PS1 copy on the PS3?
@Balosi if you would have read all my posts ,you'd know I do have an interest in the subject matter.
I would prefer backwards compatability, as I still have my physical PS2 and PS3 game library.
By comparing what Sony did with their laughable PS Classic with what the community has done, comparing how Vita handled the PSP and how community improved it, etc.
Buying emulator (no the game but the emulation software) made by Sony on a Sony platform? No thanks.
Although far from perfect, would rather emulate them on PC using emulators made by the community, offers more function, more flexibility. (Not talking about piracy, but things like online multiplayer, controller, mods, higher resolution support etc.)
BTW, Sony shut down its old web store (smcid=psapp trick) today, so no more old contents can be bought using web browser. Hooray!
@Exlee300p you can't expect them to keep their older stores open forever, and the psn store on ps3 is painfully slow. not to mention it will be months before it actually closes. so if there are games you still want to buy i would buy them before it closes down.
Youre missing another choice option... all of them.. which is why i think my xbox series X is soooo goood. I can play original xbox games, 360 games and xbox one games.
My ps5 only does ps4 and its alrite but if i wanted to go back to my old ps 1-3 i have to emulate them on my pc.
There's so many Sony games I feel like I've missed out on, it'll be nice to play them on PS5
PS Now is never going to be the answer to this issue. It doesn't work well enough to be a proper answer and it never will. Streaming will never be the future and it should be something added to an already established downloadable service, not a streaming service in and of itself.
Xbox's Game Pass should be the standard here. If you want to stream it's an option but not the main option.
@Stueeeee Sort of. Last time I tried (which was years ago) I found that the game would crash after about 1 or 2 levels. Some PS2 games (SSX 3 comes to mind) are glitchy on the PS3, as well.
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