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@Ralizah I'm sure there are loads of reasons, but I think it comes down to the astronomical cost of a photorealistic game. I think it's kind of insane how Sony wants people to buy a $850 console to play games they release maybe once every year, and 5-8 years per development studio. It's a financial model that is just aching to implode on itself.

... how is this news?

Oh no! The other shoe dropped!

This man needs so many high-fives.

Good investment, my 🍑. If you think $850 is a good investment to play your PS4 games and less than 10 PS5 exclusives, be my guest.

@Rob_230 That is correct. You are the first person I have ever heard of that didn't like Nier: Automata. I'm assuming you got Ending E before you drew that conclusion?

@NieR_Dark I was hoping fans like you would be here.

It's just a really bad collage. Why would I pay for that?

Gonna set my expectations as low as humanly possible. Not hard after the past couple years of the PS5.

How to pre-order: ... don't

I mean, I would review bomb this game for its awful pacing and repetitive gameplay, but that's just me.

At this rate, no one is going to need a PS6 because the only games that will be release on it are PS5 game remasters... which are just PS4 games.

My jaw just hit the floor.

Save for Astro (an already released title), not one of these is Sony produced. 🙄

@johnedwin https://toyokeizai.net/articles/-/713322?page=2

Sony makes more money, but Nintendo is the most profitable company in Japan right now.

@GamingFan4Lyf Which is hilarious to me. Sony is acting like they're at the top when they're not. Sony isn't the most profitable company in Japan, Nintendo is. Sony is acting like they aren't competing with Nintendo, but I hope the Switch 2 makes Sony feel the squeeze.

@Markatron84 Honest to goodness, I would not put it past Sony if they wanted to charge $5–$10 for a PS5 Pro Patch for some games.

@SolarSailor The franchise is cursed. First Breath of the Wild, then Elden Ring, and now Switch 2. 🤣

A classic? It came out 2 years ago and it was, like, 60% exactly the same as the first game.

@Artois2 They both play almost all the same third-party games. Yes, I am comparing the PS5 Pro to the Switch Lite. One of these consoles is an affordable option to console gaming and the other is a shameless $850 cash grab. Nearly every option to get into console gaming will cost around half or less than half the cost of the PS5 Pro.

@kevinm360 Actually, no, it's not. The price of admission for what? "Pro" visuals for Sony's non-existant first-party library? The VAST majority of games barely even require the power of a PS4 to run perfectly fine. There is a tiny portion of games that need the power of a PS5, and basically nothing that actually NEEDS a PS5 Pro's power. Do you know what the actual price of admission is for console gaming? You can buy a used Nintendo Switch Lite right now for $100. $850 for a PS5 Pro is one of the most tone deaf marketing decisions I have ever seen, let alone how tone deaf some shiz-for-brains millionaire sounds saying it's "worth the cost" at a time when people can barely pay rent and put food on the table.

Ah yes, let's listen to a multimillionaire on if $700 is affordable. Screw this guy.

I feel like the future conversation is going to be less of "console vs PC," and more of "what console do I want in addition to my PC." I could see a lot of people having a PC and a Switch 2 so they can play basically everything on the market instead of PC and PS6, which will play basically the exact same games as each other and will be less cost effective.

Why? Who even cares at this point? Sony is more concerned about taking money from their fans than making games for their fans. Save for Astro Bot and Rift Apart, this has been the most disappointing console generation I have ever seen.

I gotta be honest, I already forgot that this movie even happened.

The diminishing returns on this console upgrade are just too much to ignore. Most games still run fine on the PS4, let alone the base PS5. At this rate, there really isn't a need for a PS5 Pro or even a PS6.

PS5 Pro = $700
PSVR2 = $500
PS5 Disc Drive = $80
PS5 Stand = $30
Horizon Call of the Mountain = $60

Final Total = $1,370 + tax

Oh boy! What a very affordable and accessible way to get into VR gaming! I can't wait to see slightly sharper grass in my full-price tech demo of a game. 🙄

I can't wait to play Shovel Knight on this and experience the true power of a pro console.

But seriously, like, 99.9% of games aren't even using the full power of the PS5, let alone the PS4 Pro. This console upgrade is a joke.

@Octaslasher I saw a used Switch Lite on Facebook Marketplace with a game or two included for $150. I'm grateful that there are still ways for people to play games on a budget. I agree with you. I feel like the majority of Sony's fans just got priced out of their own fandom.

@danzoEX I can confirm that the grass is redder on the other side.

I already thought the PS5 was overpriced. This is absolutely ludicrous.

This is a joke. After taxes, this thing is going to be around $850. You could buy 4 Nintendo Switch Lites for the same price. This is the most tone-deaf price point I could have ever imagined.

Hahaha!! $700 without a disc drive? That's the best joke I've heard all year.

I'm almost positive this box is going to be $700 after adding a disc drive and taxes. I can't wait to get a non-discernably, slightly smoother frame rate for the cost of 3 Nintendo Switch Lites. Especially when it's hard enough to afford rent in today's world.

I'm just in awe how Sony went from the PS4 generation, one of the best gens and first-party exclusive libraries I have ever seen, to this. The console wars don't matter, but they were in first, and it wasn't even close. Nintendo was face-down in the dirt with the WiiU and Microsoft fumbled the switch from Xbox 360 to the next gen. Look where we are now. Nintendo dusted themselves off, took the bar, and effing sprinted with it, creating possibly the greatest console with the most successful game libraries of all-time. Microsoft continues to fumble, but has a half-decent upcoming release schedule. And Sony? Just, how? They are directionless. Almost every single PS5 game has been either a re-release or sequel riding on the PS4 generation's coattails of originality and creativity. For myself, the PS5 generation has been the most uninspiring and disappointing generation I've experienced. What's the point of ever getting a PS5 Pro or a PS6 if this is what we can expect from Sony?

I'm in the camp of "I love Star Wars, but I am completely burned out on the franchise."

This would basically be the nail in the coffin for me when it comes to EVER buying a game again at full price. I already only pay full price for a game maybe once or twice a year.

Holy crap, Sony cannot catch a break this year. If it weren't for Astro Bot and Helldivers 2, I'd have thought they'd be sunk after this year.

Stars couldn't hold a candle to Nintendo's Gold Coin system, and then Sony decided to make Stars even worse... that sure was a choice alright...

This is a $20 game on the PS Store. Absolutely not. Sony needs to pull their heads out of their butts.

The Actual Roadmap: Sony throws the whole game and the team that made it in the garbage in 6 months when this flops.

I'm willing to bet they won't.

I do not understand why "Not a long game" is a con. I would take a 2-4 hour platformer over some bloated, open-world 40-70 hours game like H:ZD or AC any day.

Starring Tiger Woods

Remember when Sony was at the top of their absolute freaking game during the PS4 generation? That was fun while it lasted.

Sony is an absolute mess right now.

But where are the games? I'm having a hard time not feeling buyer's remorse for my PS5, let alone this dumb, overpriced headset. I have zero desire to get this thing.

@PegasusActual93 This is simply not true. In interviews, the director explained how they were able to keep the cost of the movie so low.

• They did everything in house with their team of 35 VFX artist. Studios tend to spend through the nose to outsource their VFX so they get results faster or redone.
• Their studio did VERY scrappy preproduction. Rather than using CGI for preproduction, they literally had a Godzilla action figure on a blue screen to stage all of their shots. They cut as many corners as they could to save on cost during production.
• They kept the VFX to a minimum and only had Godzilla on screen when he needed to be. Everything else was character-driven storytelling or they used practical effects.
• They didn't redo hardly any of the VFX shots. Studios waste tens of millions of dollars because they make whole VFX scenes that get cut or redone due to poor planning in the preproduction stages.

Source:

• https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-visual-effects-for-godzilla-minus-one-cost-between-a-quarter-and-a-third-of-its-less-than-15m-budget.814347/
• I work in the visual arts.

Hey, Godzilla Minus One had a budget of only $15 million. A small budget doesn't mean low quality.

You know the outlook instead great when they have to cut the price of the console, and Nintendo never once cut the price of their console after 7 years.

I know many generations have had a price cut on consoles midway through the generation, but games (not a price cut) are what what sells consoles.