electrolite77

I'd love to know what made anything think I would like Destiny, given my PS4 history of playing FPS games is about an hour on Wolfenstein (I get Motion Sickness as well as not liking them)

I agree with the article. The indie influx has generally been very positive, they're a great alternative to the sometimes stodgy AAA stuff. I love the variety on offer as a result.

I also think including them in the IGC is a good idea, it gets them a lot of publicity they may not otherwise get. There was never a promise of endless AAA with the IGC and I don't feel entitled to expect such especially this early in the machines life. Let's face it if there's a big game you really want you buy it rather than wait for Plus anyway.

@ruckus757

"We're going on 3 years into the life of the PS4"

Er, it came out in November 2013.

"out of the 30 months we have received game"

It's been out 20 months. Less than 2 years.

It is however, depressing to see some posters trying so very hard to be negative. That's modern gaming for you I suppose. Genuine and justified excitement is just something to complain about.

Best ever? Hmmm not sure yet, will need to let the hysteria and excitement die down first. Right up there though. Simply an astonishing number of games that will help the PS4 as it heads towards critical mass (if it isn't there already). Microsoft's was very good too, fingers crossed for Nintendo today.

@viciousarcanum

??????

Bought mine for the truck reason. I trust that, like Sony's three previous home consoles, the PS4 will have a massive variety of software combining everything third party and a healthy selection of exclusives. It certainly has the first of the two with the exclusives on the way.

It also has the Remote Play option which as a Vita owner I make good use of. PlayStation Plus was a factor too. When I bought my PS4 in August I already had A stash of games to tinker with.

I also have a Wii U which, while hindered by Nintendos awful business decisions, has some superb software. The PS4 and Wii U compliment each other perfectly. This is the fourth generation where I've bought Nintendo and Sony.

@DESS-M-8

Sigh. You still have your opinion and fact all confused. You still can't grasp that you not liking something doesn't mean it's a bad purchase for anyone else. These are actually really straightforward concepts. But if you think wasting your time trying to convince others you're right on a subject you can never be right on is worthwhile crack on.

P.S. I love my Wii U but if you honestly think it's only struggling because of poor marketing well, I don't know where to start.

@DESS-M-8

"is that in contrast to your narcissistic self righteous Sony fan boy posts?"

Narcissistic, self-righteous? Yes probably. Sony fanboy? No.

"I buy consoles for playing games." So do most people.

"Ps4 has no games worth playing that aren't on ps3 that warrant paying so much money for the hardware." In your opinion.

"And the power for the price is a joke. The processor is way under powered and only 8gb of ram for "next gen" it should have had 16 to ensure it delivered for next 5-7 years as a "powerhouse" that it claims to be. My laptop dumps all over a ps4 and i hardly game on it." Your laptop won't have cost £349

"The games that are on ps4 I could get for my laptop but they aren't worth playing anyway" in your opinion

"hence I sold the ps4. It's just not worth the investment" In your opinion, based on your personal circumstances.

This is why you find it weird. You didn't like it. But to understand why something sells you have to think a long way out of the prism of your own personal circumstanced. I have no interest in XBox One because the exclusives don't appeal but I understand it sells because other people fancy it.I currently spend most of my time on the Wii U but I can understand why someone who doesn't like Mario Kart/Bayonetta 2/Pikmin 3 etc wouldn't want one.

From an objective point-of-view I can see why the PS4 has sold. there's nothing 'weird' about it.

This is spot on. Mainly because it's so close to my opinions on the subject I had to check that I hadn't written it myself and forgotten

@DESS-M-8

If that's sarcasm it's quite funny. If it's not, and judging by your post history (endless tedious moaning, confusing of fact and opinion) it isn't, well actually it's even funnier.

@Jazzer94

Sorry mate, looking at my original reply it was more confrontational than I intended. I generally agree with you but it's almost always been the case that the best-marketed machine wins the generation. You can see the difference between good marketing in the relative success levels of the Megadrive/Genesis and then the Saturn and Dreamcast.

Sony have got the basics right - powerful machine for the price, wide variety of software, all the third-party big hitters, brand loyalty from previous machines and PS Plus, great marketing. That's why they're selling.

Last years version was bad but this is magnificent. In single-player or local multiplayer (haven't played online) this is comfortably the best football game around.

@Jazzer94

'Marketing is now....the most important aspect of selling consoles'

I don't understand that 'now'. Marketing has always been the most important aspect. Nintendo going or multiple ommercial partners in the 80s as well as 'The Wizard', Sega in the early 90's, Sony with PS1, Nintendo's Wii ads, MS's brute force approach to spending their way into the industry and propping up XB1 in the last few months etc.

@Hawk

Digital prices won't come down until retail ceases to exist, which let's face it isn't going to happen and nor should we want to. If Sony start undercutting shops with digital prices the shops will stop stocking Sony in favour of their competitors. So get rid of retail? No, we need them to provide competition as that keeps prices lower. If we could only buy digital from Sony they could charge whatever they wanted

@ZeD

Unsubstantiated rumour from one little-known site. I'm not getting my hopes up.

@eLarkos

Thing is, whether they are or not (and it looks bad when the competition is back up and running more quickly) the lack of comms is the problem. They need to be putting out constant updates to their paying customers. I got more info from here and Reddit as to what was going on which is very poor. If I compare to that to my experiences with the likes of SKY or even my local gym when the water mains burst Sony's communication is inferior. Even now, do we know if any account details have been compromised?

@ScopeNDeath

Xbox 1 has Bluray

Still not working for me. I've downloaded the PES 2015 update but it won't install it because it can't validate the licence. Back to the Wii U again...

@MadchesterManc

I keep seeing the word 'entitled' misused on gaming sites these days. People who pay for a service are entitled as a customer to expect that service to work and entitled to information from the company providing that service when it doesn't work. That is using it in its correct context.

@Brknbunny69

Yeah. Never heard of them and they seem to be the only site running that story. I'll wait until I hear it from Sony....

@Brknbunny69

Source?

@AreniMeiraZani

One of the stupidest things I've ever read. In fact two actually as your second post is just a noise

@Paranoimia

Sorry mate but this is Sony's problem. It's their responsibility to make sure the game is ready to go. Even if it means being on Evolutions back months before release. It's their big exclusive title on their Console being downloaded on their network. It's their image that will suffer because of a bad launch. They have no deflection options available to them

What a complete mess. Sony need their feet held to the fire over this. There's an air of complacency creeping in, too much patting themselves on the back over sales and too little updating of features/providing exclusive software.

Almost as disappointing is seeing people defend their corporation of choice for some reason They've messed up and deserve criticism.

@DualWielding

That comparison doesn't make any sense as they're so different. Its a bit odd actually.

@NEOTDS

I'd like to clip it to the DS4. I fail to see why you have such difficulty with that. I'd also like the option to sit the Vita on a stand and use the DS4 to play PS4 games properly. Wanting an option to work correctly is not moaning.

And the phones are a threat to the Vita because they are something pay for separately for many uses. Almost everyone has a smart phone, they may not have a dedicated handheld games console and now someone with a Sony smartphone has less reason to buy a Vita.

@AeroZeppelin

Ah I see, thanks. I was overthinking it.

Quick question for the regulars, is @voodoo341 on a wind up or is he just the sites 'everything is rubbish' overly miserable cartoon character? (Every site has one) Looking at his post history and the endless complaining about how dreadful Sony are he either genuinely hates them (in which case this is an odd place to take up residence) or is performing a long and quite meta gag?

@Jazzer94

Playing it safe was the key. Sony are offering a machine with a good power to price ratio, huge third-party support, endless indie support and a smattering of exclusives that will increase in number over time. Its well-priced and well marketed and wasn't introduced to the world with an anti-consumer DRM policy attached. In the real world that's what sells like with PS1, PS2 and after a poor first couple of years, PS3.

Hotline Miami is definitely Cross Buy. If you already have it on PS Plus from when it was previously in the IGC the PS4 version is free to download now

@voodoo341

I might be wrong but isn't that by Blizzard?