@get2sammyb it’s a path Sony has chosen themselves though. They could have had studios working on the likes of ape escape or sly cooper or creative smaller games or even remasters to fill gaps, just as Nintendo is doing.
A Pikmin 4 or even a Metroid Prime Remastered kind of release could have worked wonders. I’m thinking of the Twisted metal, Killzone, Syphon Filter, or RPG remasters or remakes Sony could have been doing.
Great to see that many people liked the showing. To each their own.
I don’t like the grim sci-fi interactive storytelling or grim sword-action game focus of Sony anymore. Burnt out on it. And I haven’t seen any ‘fun’ or ‘new’ gameplay this state of play. So this year is not for me unfortunately.
Looking forward to dragons dogma ii and ff7 rebirth though. And curious about the new kojima collaboration.
I think this happened with all their shin megami tensei games on 3ds, and all their persona games on the more modern systems so far. So not really surprising.
If the game sells 5+ million they might not feel the need to do this? But persona is still a relative niche.
@Grimwood have you ever watched the oscars? the oscars dont show 1000 advertisements of upcoming movies. Also, you SHOULD care about the awards, it’s ‘the game awards’.
But yeah, it’s a smirking Keighly ad reel. Where all developers apart from Kojima get treated like dirt. That’s all it is.
Even when thanking your colleagues who passed away during development you get told to ‘wrap it up!’
And most awards are given like ‘award for this: that. Next!’
@DonkeyFantasy Money will decide. Given to Geoff. Then Geoff ‘decides’.
In all seriousness, 90% jury, 10% fans. Jury consists of 30 journalist representatives, and those are chosen by representatives of Nintendo, Sony, Xbox and AMD.
@get2sammyb I agree with your prediction . Are remakes / remasters allowed though? i am never sure with the game awards.
Based on metacritic we can also expect street fighter vi, diablo iv, cocoon, sea of stars, metroid prime remastered, cocoon, quake ii, moss book II and Dave the Diver to be thrown in the mix. If dlc is allowed there's also cyberpunk and xenoblade chronicles 3. We'll see
People hating Xbox for doing business but loving this guy because he was good at doing business.
Double standards.
This guy was the face of some awful decisions of Sony Playstation for gamers: Only AAA games, closure of creative studios with fresh creativity and developers leaving, moving of the headquarters of SIE to the US, loss of the homeland Japan to Nintendo, neglecting indie developers, neglecting legacy games and gamers, investing in GaaS live service games, raising all prices, bad PR overall, …
You could say this is bonkers or you could say it’s just a good thing for a developer. You take away the risk of game development. It might save a lot of studios that would otherwise not make enough money.
Recently Ascendant Studios had to lay off half of their staff because Immortals of Aveum didn’t sell enough in its first weeks. Sony probably had the marketing rights of the game, it was in a State of Play if I remember correctly. With the gamepass check this studio might have done good enough to survive. It looked good, but didn’t attract me enough to pay 70 euro for it.
Take Lies of P for example. Another game that gets good review scores but I’m not sure that game will sell enough for the investment made to make the game. They have a gamepass check though so we probably wont know.
We also know making Horizon forbidden west did cost 212 million dollar to make. And the last of us 220 million. Thus creating a game takes so much to invest these days.
Also, gamepass has ~30 million subscribers. Say half of those are core, half of them are ultimate. 12,5*30 million=375 million per month. Lot of stuff you can do with that amount of money.
@HwuaiLiang good statement to someone who owns a ps1, ps2, ps3, ps4 pro, switch and xbox series x. Apparently i’m not allowed to be here or something or voice my concern for what Sony is becoming.
I’m just saying that currently most money goes to the development of live service games, towards random and weird unnecessary (imo) hardware which only works with other Sony hardware and price increases because they can, because the user base apparently loves Sony so much.
In 3 years the gaming landscape of Sony will probably look totally different.
@HwuaiLiang talking about ps5 here. Not ps4. Not even 5 of those are ps5 exclusives or have started development during ps5 days. All that is being started now internally are live as a service games. 60% of all money Sony is investing in games production for the ps5 goes to live as a service games (https://insider-gaming.com/sony-live-service-games-investment/ ). The other 40% probably goes to Insomniac and 3d party. Sony is throwing away their 1st party legacy they built up during the ps4. And that’s the problem.
@UltimateOtaku91 Nothing has happened, nothing will happen. Just an email with some ideas, nothing more.
Microsoft tried to buy Nintendo back in the 00's. Sony also did last millenium (practically) since they wanted to receive all profit the platform would make on the Nintendo and Sony Playstation and therefore own the business Nintendo had built with their ip.
In the ps5 days sony has turned much more mediocre with their output. Risk is gone, they disbanded teams like the Japan studio, and all studios now have to work on live service games as their new project. They are very much depending on 3d party. If it wasn’t for Square Enix and the marketing deals Sony makes with Fifa, Call of Duty, Resident Evil and Street Fighter Sony would not be in the place they are now. In the mean time we get weird hardware, remakes of games which are a couple hears old. Insomniac is the only studio which is really delivering for Sony this generation, and that studio used to be making games for other platforms less than a decade ago.
It’s just how business works.
As I said, Sony needs competition, I’m glad Microsoft is upping their game a little this gen. Looking forward to what competition will bring to our hobbies. Which new experiences we can look forward to.
@T-Bone09 i remember me playing a spiderman game on my gamecube but sadly Sony owns the rights for that ip now and made it impossible for me to play spiderman elsewhere last and current generations.
Not different at all though. Just a company gobbling up another smaller company and taking their ip for themselves. An ip which was available elsewhere.
I’m happy that Microsoft is upping their game a little this generation. Sony is way too comfortable and us consumers are feeling the price for it. They are increasing their prices left and right while not doing anything creative at all anymore. Just sequels and live service garbage.
Low risk, high reward.
And then there’s their hardware section. I’m sure you all have your psvr2 collecting dust somewhere because it receives zero support, have your playstation portal preordered and also the mandatory headphones which are the only thing that they made compatible with the device.
You guys keep on loving Sony all you want for whatever reason. The company has changed though last couple of years. And not in the correct direction for us consumers. And they need competition.
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Re: Rumour: Xbox Has Considered Microsoft Flight Simulator, Gears of War, and DOOM for PS5
@Korgon they probably aren’t allowed to because of NDA, until the next Nintendo partner showcase
Re: PlayStation Chairman: There's Room for Improvement When It Comes to Business
@get2sammyb ‘i am obsessed with growth’ are his own words.
He is one of the reasons of the (creative) downfall of Playstation this generation. Money and GaaS first.
https://www.ft.com/content/50794294-bf67-4a74-bbf9-dc05b617a9ae
Shame really what this business has become. Destroyed like Football. In the hands of Middle eastern, American and Chinese investors.
Re: Sony Predicts Slide in PS5 Sales with No Major Existing IPs Planned Before March 2025
@get2sammyb it’s a path Sony has chosen themselves though. They could have had studios working on the likes of ape escape or sly cooper or creative smaller games or even remasters to fill gaps, just as Nintendo is doing.
A Pikmin 4 or even a Metroid Prime Remastered kind of release could have worked wonders. I’m thinking of the Twisted metal, Killzone, Syphon Filter, or RPG remasters or remakes Sony could have been doing.
Re: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Players Go to Town on Tifa's Piano on PS5
Such a cool implementation / gimmick in the game! I’ll spend hours on this alone. Very much looking forward to this game.
Re: Square Enix President Orders Development Review to Improve Quality of Future Games
Well, so much for creativity and smaller projects where people are able to learn and experiment on the job
Re: Poll: How Would You Rate the Latest State of Play Showcase?
Great to see that many people liked the showing. To each their own.
I don’t like the grim sci-fi interactive storytelling or grim sword-action game focus of Sony anymore. Burnt out on it. And I haven’t seen any ‘fun’ or ‘new’ gameplay this state of play. So this year is not for me unfortunately.
Looking forward to dragons dogma ii and ff7 rebirth though. And curious about the new kojima collaboration.
Re: Dive into Free PS5, PS4 Racer Disney Speedstorm's Little Mermaid Season Soon
How does Ariël press the pedal?
Re: Of Course Full Price Remake Persona 3 Reload Has a Full Spread of Day One DLC
I think this happened with all their shin megami tensei games on 3ds, and all their persona games on the more modern systems so far. So not really surprising.
If the game sells 5+ million they might not feel the need to do this? But persona is still a relative niche.
Re: PS5 Had Sony's Best Year in Japan for Almost 20 Years
@UltimateOtaku91 they probably will though, a few years down the line on the Switch’s successor.
Re: The Last of Us Multiplayer Project Is Officially Cancelled
Great news to me!
Hopefully most live service attempts by Sony will get canned in order for them to return to what they’re known for: single player adventures
Re: The Game Awards Is Getting Ripped for Urging Award Winners to Wrap It Up
@Grimwood have you ever watched the oscars? the oscars dont show 1000 advertisements of upcoming movies. Also, you SHOULD care about the awards, it’s ‘the game awards’.
But yeah, it’s a smirking Keighly ad reel. Where all developers apart from Kojima get treated like dirt. That’s all it is.
Even when thanking your colleagues who passed away during development you get told to ‘wrap it up!’
And most awards are given like ‘award for this: that. Next!’
Re: Lead Bungie Staff Fear 'Total Sony Takeover' After Layoffs, Delays
Sony ruling with an iron fist
Re: Just One Day Later, Microsoft Has 'No Plans to Bring Game Pass' to PS5, PS4
@RudeAnimat0r @everynowandben you’re completely right. This isn’t news because the statements don’t contradict to each other.
Re: Feature: Celebrating 10 Years of PS4 with Our Favourite Games
The PS4 is my favorite Playstation console great generation
Re: All The Game Awards 2023 Nominees Announced, Baldur's Gate 3 and Alan Wake 2 Lead the Way
@DonkeyFantasy Money will decide. Given to Geoff. Then Geoff ‘decides’.
In all seriousness, 90% jury, 10% fans. Jury consists of 30 journalist representatives, and those are chosen by representatives of Nintendo, Sony, Xbox and AMD.
Re: All The Game Awards 2023 Nominees Announced, Baldur's Gate 3 and Alan Wake 2 Lead the Way
@BearsEatBeets an expansion for cyberpunk got released this year, and it is incredibly amazing! It had my vote at least .
Re: The Battle for Game of the Year in a Superb 2023 Begins on Monday
@get2sammyb I agree with your prediction . Are remakes / remasters allowed though? i am never sure with the game awards.
Based on metacritic we can also expect street fighter vi, diablo iv, cocoon, sea of stars, metroid prime remastered, cocoon, quake ii, moss book II and Dave the Diver to be thrown in the mix. If dlc is allowed there's also cyberpunk and xenoblade chronicles 3. We'll see
Re: The Battle for Game of the Year in a Superb 2023 Begins on Monday
I think Zelda will win. Baldur’s Gate 3, Alan Wake 2 and Mario Wonder being the runner up’s.
Great year for gaming
Re: The Last of Us 2 PS5 Remaster Seems to Be Real
Well, you know, Sony has got to do something to fill the almost void of first party releases…
Re: Reaction: PlayStation Boss Jim Ryan May Have Been Disliked, But Leaves Big Boots to Fill
@themightyant well, you know:
‘Sony believes in generations’ and then Sony continues to release most games of the last 3 years also on Playstation 4.
‘These games are only possible through the power of Playstation’ and then most of these games get ported to PC.
Which is why he’s called Lying Jim Ryan.
They’re both just businessmen.
Re: Reaction: PlayStation Boss Jim Ryan May Have Been Disliked, But Leaves Big Boots to Fill
People hating Xbox for doing business but loving this guy because he was good at doing business.
Double standards.
This guy was the face of some awful decisions of Sony Playstation for gamers: Only AAA games, closure of creative studios with fresh creativity and developers leaving, moving of the headquarters of SIE to the US, loss of the homeland Japan to Nintendo, neglecting indie developers, neglecting legacy games and gamers, investing in GaaS live service games, raising all prices, bad PR overall, …
Re: PlayStation's 2024 Release Schedule Is Already a Joke
@AdamNovice if you have a ps4 pro there isn’t much of a reason imo.
Re: Xbox Documents Reveal Staggering Cost of Bringing Games to Game Pass, PS Plus
@miguelseara i did. And I quote:
“I don’t think a hostile action would be a good move, so we are playing the long game.”
No hostile takeover, and only if and when Nintendo wants to sell.
Re: Xbox Documents Reveal Staggering Cost of Bringing Games to Game Pass, PS Plus
@miguelseara where did you get that info?
Also, it is stated in the email that a hostile takeover is not an option.
The only companies Microsoft bought or is going to buy approached Microsoft / were looking to be bought (Zenimax / Activision-Blizzard).
Re: Xbox Documents Reveal Staggering Cost of Bringing Games to Game Pass, PS Plus
You could say this is bonkers or you could say it’s just a good thing for a developer. You take away the risk of game development. It might save a lot of studios that would otherwise not make enough money.
Recently Ascendant Studios had to lay off half of their staff because Immortals of Aveum didn’t sell enough in its first weeks. Sony probably had the marketing rights of the game, it was in a State of Play if I remember correctly. With the gamepass check this studio might have done good enough to survive. It looked good, but didn’t attract me enough to pay 70 euro for it.
Take Lies of P for example. Another game that gets good review scores but I’m not sure that game will sell enough for the investment made to make the game. They have a gamepass check though so we probably wont know.
We also know making Horizon forbidden west did cost 212 million dollar to make. And the last of us 220 million. Thus creating a game takes so much to invest these days.
Also, gamepass has ~30 million subscribers. Say half of those are core, half of them are ultimate. 12,5*30 million=375 million per month. Lot of stuff you can do with that amount of money.
Re: Apple Insinuates iPhone 15 Pro Will Be a Better Games Console Than PS5, PS4
I just want a phone with which I can call and text for 20 bucks. The basic stuff.
Is that still possible these days?
Re: Xbox Poised to Borrow from PS5's DualSense Controller
@4kgk2 not as if Sony is original these days. Sony copies Nintendo left and right and everywhere.
As someone above this post said, imitation is the best kind of flattery.
Re: Xbox Almost Flashed Its Cash At Warner Bros, Sees Nintendo As the Holy Grail
@HwuaiLiang ah yeah, the slang has changed after Trump. I forgot about that. I stand corrected.
I also edited my initial post. Happy now?
Good day
Re: Xbox Almost Flashed Its Cash At Warner Bros, Sees Nintendo As the Holy Grail
@HwuaiLiang a fact cannot be incorrect. So make up your mind.
Re: Xbox Poised to Borrow from PS5's DualSense Controller
Just like ps5 pro controller borrowed from nintendo.
I applaud every gaming company to put gyro and hd rumble in every controller from now on. So that it becomes industry standard.
Re: Xbox Almost Flashed Its Cash At Warner Bros, Sees Nintendo As the Holy Grail
@HwuaiLiang good statement to someone who owns a ps1, ps2, ps3, ps4 pro, switch and xbox series x. Apparently i’m not allowed to be here or something or voice my concern for what Sony is becoming.
Re: Apple Insinuates iPhone 15 Pro Will Be a Better Games Console Than PS5, PS4
Microsoft considers buying an apple from now on.
Re: Xbox Almost Flashed Its Cash At Warner Bros, Sees Nintendo As the Holy Grail
@HwuaiLiang it’s a worse deal for the company than being bought which lets you share in the combined profits.
Re: Xbox Almost Flashed Its Cash At Warner Bros, Sees Nintendo As the Holy Grail
@HwuaiLiang There was a clause in the collaboration of the Playstation which stated that all game profits would go to Sony.
Technically not owning, but practically do owning Nintendo and their output.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/8oqj8n/nintendo_and_sony_was_there_anything_that_could/
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@HwuaiLiang i just linked you an article which refers to the presentation given to investors.
Not enough evidence all of a sudden?
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@T-Bone09 respectful post, thanks.
I’m just saying that currently most money goes to the development of live service games, towards random and weird unnecessary (imo) hardware which only works with other Sony hardware and price increases because they can, because the user base apparently loves Sony so much.
In 3 years the gaming landscape of Sony will probably look totally different.
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@HwuaiLiang talking about ps5 here. Not ps4. Not even 5 of those are ps5 exclusives or have started development during ps5 days. All that is being started now internally are live as a service games. 60% of all money Sony is investing in games production for the ps5 goes to live as a service games (https://insider-gaming.com/sony-live-service-games-investment/ ). The other 40% probably goes to Insomniac and 3d party. Sony is throwing away their 1st party legacy they built up during the ps4. And that’s the problem.
Keep up.
Re: Xbox Almost Flashed Its Cash At Warner Bros, Sees Nintendo As the Holy Grail
@UltimateOtaku91 Nothing has happened, nothing will happen. Just an email with some ideas, nothing more.
Microsoft tried to buy Nintendo back in the 00's. Sony also did last millenium (practically) since they wanted to receive all profit the platform would make on the Nintendo and Sony Playstation and therefore own the business Nintendo had built with their ip.
All are scummy. Sony not less than Microsoft.
Business as usual.
Re: Xbox Almost Flashed Its Cash At Warner Bros, Sees Nintendo As the Holy Grail
@x3King84 To create hate speech.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Sony. But you know, clicks pay the bills.
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@T-Bone09 that’s all back in the ps4 days.
In the ps5 days sony has turned much more mediocre with their output. Risk is gone, they disbanded teams like the Japan studio, and all studios now have to work on live service games as their new project. They are very much depending on 3d party. If it wasn’t for Square Enix and the marketing deals Sony makes with Fifa, Call of Duty, Resident Evil and Street Fighter Sony would not be in the place they are now. In the mean time we get weird hardware, remakes of games which are a couple hears old. Insomniac is the only studio which is really delivering for Sony this generation, and that studio used to be making games for other platforms less than a decade ago.
It’s just how business works.
As I said, Sony needs competition, I’m glad Microsoft is upping their game a little this gen. Looking forward to what competition will bring to our hobbies. Which new experiences we can look forward to.
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@T-Bone09 i remember me playing a spiderman game on my gamecube but sadly Sony owns the rights for that ip now and made it impossible for me to play spiderman elsewhere last and current generations.
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@ArmoredMore @tecinthebrain is a voice of reason too. And so are @OrtadragoonX and @Kundalinirising333
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@ArmoredMore not me this time. Just reacting on others on a rage .
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@T-Bone09 good spin.
Not different at all though. Just a company gobbling up another smaller company and taking their ip for themselves. An ip which was available elsewhere.
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@Tecinthebrain you are absolutely right.
I’m happy that Microsoft is upping their game a little this generation. Sony is way too comfortable and us consumers are feeling the price for it. They are increasing their prices left and right while not doing anything creative at all anymore. Just sequels and live service garbage.
Low risk, high reward.
And then there’s their hardware section. I’m sure you all have your psvr2 collecting dust somewhere because it receives zero support, have your playstation portal preordered and also the mandatory headphones which are the only thing that they made compatible with the device.
You guys keep on loving Sony all you want for whatever reason. The company has changed though last couple of years. And not in the correct direction for us consumers. And they need competition.
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@ArmoredMore thanks, time traveller!
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@UltimateOtaku91 https://www.metacritic.com/game/starfield/critic-reviews/?platform=pc
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@T-Bone09 spiderman was everywhere
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@ArmoredMore pc version has 87
Re: If It Wasn't Obvious, The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Skip PlayStation
@ArmoredMore 87 on metacritic is the worst, right?
Actually higher than any ps5 exclusive this year