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Can Sony fans stop freaking out over xbox franchises coming to Switch or Playstation from now on?

It’s all just business. All publishers will do it when it makes sense business-wise.

Does Geoff himself also have to pay his company for advertising Geoff Keighley?

@nomither6 agreed.

But at least Nintendo’s not closing studios left and right (because bound by Japanese law) and not doubling down on live service games, NFT’s, and all that sort of crap.

@NEStalgia not sure if i agree or not. Yes, Nintendo plays some stuff safe, and they rerelease stuff, but that’s because they can. Paper Mario Thousand Year door will be a new game to 95%+ of the potential buyers. Same with other rereleases. It gives them time to finish games for their next console, whatever it may be. Rereleases are there instead of the drought during the wii U era. And they know that it’ll sell, now or as an evergreen title, especially if their next system is backwards compatible.

To me they’re still the company with the new and innovative ideas, in between the rereleases. There’s princess peach, pikmin 4, Mario Wonder and tears of the kingdom all new games with loads of new ideas and all within a year. There’s also a place for wario ware and bayonetta origins in the same year, a Mario movie and the opening of a few game parks.

They’re moving their entertainment business in a different direction than the others. To me that’s innovation.

Also, i expect the switch 2 to be a similar concept as the switch 1, because Nintendo always releases their consoles and handhelds in pairs. Nes/snes. Gb/gba. N64/gamecube. Wii/wii U. Ds/3DS. So to me that’s proof that if there’s no new type of gaming system it doesn’t mean that it’s because Iwata isn’t leading the company anymore and that Nintendo has lost its way.

@nomither6 name a more trustworthy console manufacturer

@NEStalgia well, for one, they’re the only one not doubling down on live service games, and are giving indie devs the spotlight they deserve. And are imo the only one really open for innovation.

They even released the game everybody 1-2 Switch even though it was a bad game, but mainly because it was finished and a lot of people worked on it for multiple years.

I trust they invest my money in a better way than Sony or Microsoft.

I agree about Nintendo in the 90’s, though. Good they got served during the wii U day’s, it made them humble again (and that’s a very, very good thing). I hope they stay that way

Welp… Microsoft might even s*** more than current Sony when it comes to greedy only businesses. Unlimited power.

That leaves only Nintendo left out of the three console makers that’s normally managed, and the only one run with a smile in this entertainment business.

@HonestHick I agree. I have not yet bought a ps5 yet because most Sony exclusives are also on PS4 or Xbox series X. FF VII Rebirth is the only game tempting me (and Stellar Blade now too, to be fair), but I don’t want to buy a whole console just for one game. It’s not like it’s a new Zelda. Therefore I’d like a port to Xbox too, would have bought the game in a heartbeat.

Also, they’ve seen Capcom release Street Fighter on everything, and Bandai Namco and Sega did the same with former exclusives Tekken and Persona. And FromSoftware with Bloodborne / Elden Ring. You’d think that would have learned Squeenix a thing or two?

@GuttyYZ you might be right about that, since people also got confused with the wii u being a new console instead of an addon.

However, the japanese are probably more used to weirdly naming their games.

Take a look at this thread for example and try to hold your laughter 😂:
https://www.reddit.com/r/gamingsuggestions/comments/70so2r/japanese_games_with_weird_english_titles/

@Ajbr8687 it’s all about the word that less than 10% is ‘considered’ not healthy. It’s all in the eyes of the beholder on the stock market.

Profit is profit. Better to have a stable profit for years than a deviating huge profit and loss. Also for a company that has some manufacturing. But yeah, that’s stuff you have to dare to say to your shareholders. Apparently Sony chooses to fire employees instead.

@Ajbr8687 I don’t agree I’m afraid. Sony is mainly a service platform. They earn more even from DLC than from hardware sales. Hardware was still only 30% of their earnings for a year where the PS5 was new and available with record breaking hardware sales, and where the PSVR2 was released.

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/91256/sony-made-8-3-billion-via-hardware-in-fy22-over-more-than-last-year/index.html

@Ajbr8687 as I said my company is doing this already for 130 years. And in the top of multiple markets. We’re a 700 million company. Also, there’s always work for my kind of profession, everywhere in the world.

Not afraid one bit

@itsfoz oof, spoiler warning!

@Savage_Joe you’re savage

Ok, one of the.

How come I didn’t know this?… i blame myself. Tnx for enlightening me!

@Intr1n5ic because these layoffs couldn’t have been prevented some way or another?

For instance: management taking the hit or doing something earlier differently, as Shawn Layden suggested?

Sony isn’t better than Microsoft. Nah, they’re both big corporates where the boards are these days trying mainly to appease shareholders as much as possible and they both should learn how to treat their employees what they’re worth.

@Savage_Joe ah, i stand corrected. It’s the first game Nintendo has developed in the Unreal Engine though.

@somnambulance another reason why Sony should chase smaller games is what Nintendo is doing: they are using smaller games to experiment with specific engines or other stuff on the background while still getting paid for it. They now use Princess Peach Showtime as their first game in Unreal Engine 5, for instance. And they use Kirby games to train new people and gather new gaming ideas in their company.

@koffing you are 100% correct. Getting rid of 8% of the work force is just a quick fix to up the margin for upcoming year, and then what? Even less games.

Not even Nintendo fired 8% of their work force during the Wii U days. Instead, president Iwata took a pay cut. Will we ever see a western CEO do that?

@somnambulance remember when Sony was creating an ‘NFT’ store section on their consoles?

Yeah, good times, good management. It all went downhill after their PS4 period.

Edit: they filed a patent 4 days ago, they are still creating it. With this management, and these greedy shareholders who love to see stupid stuff like a limited edition golden PS5 or a PS5 in a car, Sony is doomed. https://playtoearngames.com/news/playstation-patents-a-new-way-using-nfts

@Vaako007 yes. It’s ‘greedflation’.

@ZhuckelDror Sony should bring their games to switch and xbox to reduce the risk

@ZhuckelDror maybe not for an American company.

But in general, a healthy company would want that margin to be relatively small but steady because it’s out of pocket money towards investors. You want to also invest in your own people/company to keep it healthy, not create a huge profit margin for just a few years which flows out of your company and makes your company susceptible to the winds of the stock market.

But Sony apparently isn’t apparently a company anymore where in general mainly the employees get to see the profits of their work. That profit apparently has to go elsewhere. It’s not a Japanese company anymore.

@ZhuckelDror Even without the comparison 6% profit is more than sustainable.

How is 608 million profit on 10.2 billion revenue ‘razor thin’?

That’s 6%. That’s absolutely not razor thin. I work at an engineering company where we make 3%-4% every year with thousands of employees and that company is standing for more than a century without big layoffs.

The true story is: Shareholders just want more and more. They don’t care about the employees one bit.

@Intr1n5ic nah, it’s exactly the same. It’s just two big corporates wanting to earn as much money for their shareholders as possible.

Very sad to see this news, wish all employees the best!

Microsoft is such an abomination in the gaming industry.

Oh, wait…..

Apparently Sony also absolutely lost their way.

@UltimateOtaku91 metacritic doesn’t matter!

Only Pushsquare, Nintendolife and PureXbox reviews matter 😜

@NattyKing echo.

You’re just providing your ‘idea’. No numbers, just the idea that a multibillion company ‘needs’ a few extra million somewhere.

Don’t confuse that with that Microsoft ‘wants’ a few extra million.

And now I’m fed up with your continuous same same comments.

@NattyKing which is all nothing more than your two cents. They absolutely do not need playstation.

Enjoy yourself in your echo chamber that everything is doom and gloom for xbox. Without hard proof to back it up. Don’t know why you find it so comforting in there.

As if you’re wishing for it to be so.

@NattyKing good for them.

Means xbox makes profit. Because regarding absolute profit otherwise 2x zero would be zero. Or 2x loss would be even worse.

So xbox is fine. You found your source and explanation yourself now.

@nattyking bottom line: Microsoft is the richest company in the world. They absolutely don’t need any other company to keep a specific business afloat. They know what they’re doing and are in the game to earn as much money as possible from wherever they can. Also from Playstation and Nintendo gamers.

@NattyKing i gave you proof that xbox is profitable on its own.

CoD, they weren’t ‘forced’. They also said that it wouldn’t make sense business wide to not put CoD on Playstation. But Jim Ryan made those claims, or that Microsoft would somehow sabotage or whatever. Xbox was like ‘fine, we put it in writing’, because that’s what jurisdiction is about. There was absolutely no ligit claim that Xbox WOULD sabotage or not put CoD on Playstation. All unfounded. It’s just what the Sony community was made afraid about. https://www.mirror.co.uk/gaming/sony-right-worried-call-duty-29448287.amp

Hardware sales being behind xbox one is irrelevant.

You are in your own echo chamber, probably convincing yourself that you’ve ‘made the right choice’ or something that you’re supporting Playstation. Just know that if xbox goes out of the gaming business that you as a consumer are paying the price.

Just be happy you get some extra games to play from Microsoft. They’re not making the anti-consumer decisions that Sony is the last few years. Such as hefty raising subscription prices. Investing mainly in GaaS to squeeze every penny out of consumers. And making big exclusive 3d party release or exclusive content deals.

@NattyKing do you have proof for any of your claims?

Nothing first party. Very lackluster lineup.

@Anthony_Daniels not everything is a console war on the internet.

Looking forward to playing this game! Can’t atm, cause I don’t own a PS5, because everything interesting to me so far was also playable on the PS4. This is the first game that might push me in that direction.

@NattyKing you’re just repeating the same statement over and over again without giving extra information.

They make profit. Yet somehow it’s a dying platform or whatever. They give first party games to other platforms and there’s a 10 year deal with all major platform holders that they’re bringing CoD on par day on date to those platforms, yet somehow they’re taking away CoD from playstation all of a sudden.

If that’s the echo chamber you want to discuss in, be my guest. But you’re making zero sense.

@mvhess i hate big mega corporates for that reason, you are correct. All the money goes to only a few. But Sony is a big mega corporation too that lays off talent (Japan studios) and divisions for the sole reason of infinite growth (the head of sony stated that he’s ‘addicted to growth’).

The only thing that would help us consumers is cross-country lawmaking to curb the infinite growth these companies are striving for. But with the divided world as we know it now I don’t see that happening anytime soon, so we just seem to have to live with it as best as we can for now.

I’m just saying that Microsoft or Xbox don’t ‘need’ playstation to exist.

@NattyKing you, sir, should read more than just headlines.

1) the mail from Matt Booty said the following: ‘We (Microsoft) are in a very unique position to be able to go spend Sony out of business’.

That doesn’t mean he wanted to or that they were going to try to. It’s just a statement. A possibility that he’s discussing over the email.

2) the mail about Nintendo you’re referring to comes from Phil Spencer in which he states: ‘At some point, getting Nintendo would be a career moment and I honestly believe a good move for both companies’. Again. A personal opinion, not something the company is going for or is able to do at the moment for all we know.

The earnings from xbox are in the link I attached to my previous comment. And I said ‘cloud’, not just ‘cloud gaming’. Microsoft is a software business. They have tons of other parts in the company benefitting from what has been achieved within the gaming divisions. They learn from each other, cross-pollination as it were. Just as Sony is doing with their entertainment division (their hardware, such as their headphones). I’d advice you to start thinking outside of the plastic box beneath your television.

Microsoft absolutely doesn’t ‘need’ Playstation.

@NattyKing they made profit in 2022. Microsoft definitely doesn’t need Playstation revenue. Also because Microsoft uses the gaming studios for other thing besides gaming, such as enhancing mobile, cloud, meta-businesses. But Playstation revenue helps Microsoft to grow more, so why wouldn’t they do it?

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/93375/xbox-profits-revealed-in-new-ftc-leak/index.html

@NattyKing no, it doesn’t need Playstation.

It generates more revenue though, but Microsoft is the richest company in the world. It doesn’t ‘need’ any Playstation sales.

@themightyant ah. You, random poster on this website, are probably more credible than IGN.

Yes. Microsoft has other stuff planned for the next years, that is certain. Most likely the Disney and Marvel stuff will also go elsewhere within a few years. Doesn’t mean that Xbox will release everything on other consoles and that they’re stepping out of the console business as everybody here is hoping for.

Funny how not even a few months ago everybody on here was clamoring doom over consolidation within the console market, yet now using laughing emotes on posts where they make fun of xbox for bringing games to more consoles and people.

@themightyant you haven’t heard anyone credible?

The internet is full of people and organizations saying ‘well, the outcry was for a load of fluff and unnecessary.’

Such as the IGN podcasts
https://youtu.be/AI6qVOvRui8?si=Kx29jDPHLCMwHBLy
https://youtu.be/zCRfBKNziog?si=8YMNJlECi8sa3rWA

@NattyKing all xbox games are released on pc which is the largest platform apart from mobile.

Microsoft doesn’t need the playstation platform. Apart from established franchises such as call of duty (for now).

@Intr1n5ic pentiment and hi-fi rush are smaller AA games. They co-exist on every platform next tot the big blockbuster AAA games. And also take a look at the Switch release window, I think Nintendo’s platform is where most sales will be.

Good sportsmanship. Let’s see if there are more ports this year indeed.

@LordAinsley two games were in the Nintendo Partner Showcase. So they had to remain quiet so they wouldn’t break NDA

@Grumblevolcano @intr1n5ic yes, for this year that’s the lineup. They probably did this at the start of the year while there’s not much competition. And immediately after the actiblizz deal to recoup some costs.

And no, I’m not a summer child.

@AndyKazama it wont, at least for the foreseeable future.

These are the only 4 games for this year that are going to other platforms. Smaller and GaaS games.

@thefourfoldroot1 ‘hundreds of games’ while Sony themselves only lists 69 games.

https://store.playstation.com/nl-nl/category/62c2a3b6-41cf-4808-ba48-1e5581eeea35/1

@VanguardKaiser @geminireign the games being released on psvr2 are so minimal. No first party support, and sales way below expectations.

It’s not really being kept alive. Great piece of tech, but too niche and expensive.

https://www.thegamer.com/sony-is-making-the-same-mistakes-with-the-psvr2-that-it-made-with-the-ps-vita/#:~:text=The%20PSVR2%20has%20not%20been,its%20first%20six%2Dweek%20run.

@thefourfoldroot1 psvr2 is what’s dead unfortunately.

Didn’t survive even a year.