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@Cloud34156 can i now have a spiderman game on my switch please?

Oh wait. That longrunning franchise is exclusive to playstation now, developed by a studio bought by Sony.

Yet Sony invests more and more money into the live service fest…. Such a shame, really.

@twitchtvpat the quality is not something I’m having concerns about.

@jimbouk small response btw. The reasoning you’re giving is off. I discount psvr2 since it has a very small fanbase. And afterwards it’s not that I complain about no psvr2 support, it’s just to show that in that space we have nothing to look forward to playstation-wise after the 100th vr shooter. Feels as if Sony is dropping the psvr2 support even faster than they did the Vita.

And yeah, you mentioned a bunch of studios, but not Sony 1st party studios which our discussion began with. We only know of wolverine which might be a single player game or could turn into a live service game too for all we know. And next to that, 1st party wise, from what we have seen, only live service games are coming from Sony.

Maybe this great list made by pushsquare can help you follow my reasoning. If you go by all Sony Studios and have their latest showcase in mind we have absolutely no idea what they’re working on other than Wolverine and some live service games.
https://www.pushsquare.com/guides/playstation-studios-all-sony-first-party-developers-and-what-theyre-working-on#polyphony-digital

@jimbouk whatever mate. You enjoy your gaming time. Call me closed minded any time you want.

To me Sony has lost a fan when they closed down Japan Studio as they lost their original way imo.

@jimbouk “ Second-party developer is a colloquial term often used by gaming enthusiasts and media to describe game studios that take development contracts from platform holders and develop games exclusive to that platform”

Since when is Koei Tecmo a 2nd party developer? They constantly release games on other platforms. And since when are the others considered 2nd party since neither of them have released any game so far ever.

Sony has published 1 game for PS5 this year, 1 for PSVR. And will publish 1 game for PS5 and 1 for PSVR and maybe 1 more but we don’t have a release date for helldivers II yet (just a release window) so it might slip into 2024. It’s very very meagre for the market leader, especially if you take away psvr which is a 500 dollar addon that only a handful of people own. And next year Sony’s release schedule still looks very weak, only wolverine, live service games, no psvr support and a few 3d party developed exclusive games like the ones you mentioned.

You’re getting agressieve for no reason at all. I’m saying that Sony has changed their original way for the worse (imo). Just a few big budget games, live service stuff and 3d party marketing deals. But if you enjoy all that, well, all the best for you of course.

@jimbouk yeh, so this year it’s spider-man 2 and mlb the show of sony releases and that’s it. Maybe stellar blade as it has a release window of 2023 still, but we haven’t seen any gameplay apart from the trailer so far.

Lost soul aside is developed by Ultizerogames. I don’t know anything about this one, but has Sony bought that studio? Rise of the Ronin is developed by Koei Tecmo games, not a 1st or 2nd party studio I’m afraid. And Stellar Blade is being made by Shift Up, also not bought by Sony afaik, so also not 1st or 2nd party.

But yes, they receive help from sony, as sony has helped SE with FF XVI. You could count all those games therefore as sony releases if you want to.

Anyway, the 1st party studios of Sony are working on not a lot of single player games from what has been revealed based on your list.

@jimbouk but what about the 2024 release window argument?

And do you consider final fantasy xvi to be first/second party too because the technical team of sony helped out?

@jimbouk we were talking about this year, right?

All the games you mentioned have a release window of 2024 or later, apart from stellar blade. (And yeah, VR firewall Ultra).

And most other games are not developed by sony. But you’re right, they are published by Sony, and therefore you could fit it in what Sony is releasing.

I just miss the time of sony also developing and publishing smaller creative games to fill in the gaps, that’s all. You can clearly see their focus shifting away from that over the years.

@Grumblevolcano we’ll see, they are having massive success with their current strategy though, they earn more revenue than sony and xbox combined from their first party releases. Most of their games have dlc though, which is new this generation for them and which is something i also do not like all that much. So I hope they won’t bring that too far, indeed, nor that they adopt the live service business model.

@jimbouk sure, a 500+ dollar vr game. A vr system that Sony didn’t follow up upon yet and is catching dust now in many houses. And Sony also released mlb the show.

But afaik only spider-man 2 has a release date and published by playstation studios slated this year. And that’s it. Other than that maybe Stellar Blade and Helldivers II?

To me the future of sony is feeling a bit bleak compared to last gen. That’s it, and that’s not a problem. There are a lot of great games anyway, on playstation and other systems. I’m very much enjoying the creative indie scene last year on Switch. And I play the big budget games in between.

@twitchtvpat when Spiderman 2 releases it has been 11,5 months between two 1st party releases. That has never been the case for playstation studios before.

We’ve seen in latest showcase what the Playstation studios are working on at rhe moment and from what we’ve seen it’s mainly live service fps games. To me that ain’t pretty.

@Grumblevolcano I don't see Microsoft is forcing Sony to go this route when Sony can also create multiple smaller games to fill the gaps between big games, just like Nintendo does. Nintendo releases what, 10 games a year or so, with one big hitter and 9 smaller to cater the Nintendo fanboys that buy every Nintendo published game. And most become evergreen title because they have much variety in experiences too. Guaranteed income. Xbox is going that route with games like Pentiment and Hi-Fi Rush. Sony could also go that route because they have so much IP left untouched.

Give us a new gravity rush, new rpg from the old box (tons of rpg to create a series of), new astroboy, Siphon filter, Jak and daxter, Sly cooper, wipeout, twisted metal, or remasters of older Sony published games (that according to Jim nobody has interest in, but which is selling like hot cakes on Nintendo's system).

@get2sammyb Most liveservice games are very predatory. And there's only an audience for a few good live service games, so many games that have been built upon in years will fail to hit the mark. Wasted money that could have gone to different developments (e.g. suicide squad).

I absolutely detest the way Sony is moving with this. They used to have a lot of creative development studios, but that creativity is lost when they turned into big budget games only. Nintendo has taken over that crown nowadays. We can see the 1st party drought already sadly.

@AhmadSumadi they weren’t on switch, cloud, phones, nvidia shield etc though.

@AhmadSumadi maybe read my comment to see where Sony is heading.

@StrawberryTurtle maybe people look neutral to it and say this whole deal is not a big deal without being a sony pony or xbot or nintendo fanboy?

I’m one of them and I say this whole deal is in the end not a big deal for sony but also that it’s good sony gets a little smack on their chin for once. After the xbox one debacle sony consolidated every big 3d party franchise that matters. And the money they got are now being turned into live services. And away from innovation and creative games. Absolutely not the way i’d like gaming to go. So yeah, bring on a big competitor.

And yes, i owned every sony console and the vita up to and including the ps4.

The end is nigh! The world is doomed.

Although to me it feels that this was inevitable and good for competition. It’s good for everybody Sony gets a shakeup for once in more than a decade.

@Fiendish-Beaver i mean, if amazon and google are not even able to enter the gaming atmosphere, there’s absolutely no competition for Sony next to Xbox and Nintendo.

I’m happy that Sony gets to be put on their toes a little.

@TheArtfulDodger it’s ok now but so is buying up companies, since all three big companies: Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft, do so.

@Sakai because of clicks

Microsoft is led by very bad corporates. Sony on the other hand which has a CFO obsessed with growth (https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/02/sony-shakes-up-corporate-ladder-by-promoting-exec-obsessed-with-growth ) and which outspend Sega to take over its market ($299) and tried the same with Nintendo and Microsoft is a very good company.

@UltimateOtaku91 i’m not so sure it will. And if workarounds would be worth it to Microsoft.

@UltimateOtaku91 the deal hasn’t closed yet

@UltimateOtaku91 neither has Microsoft

@pharos_haven it’s the same story. Company buys company they already have a working relationship with. Company from then on makes games for said company only.

Out of this shopping list the only one who has acquired something is Sony. It’s therefore Sony that should stop buying companies.

@pharos_haven why not?

Sony purchases a company that has exclusivity deals with xbox. Who’s to say Insomniac didn’t release Spiderman on Xbox to get the deal done?

Microsoft purchases a company that has exclusivity deals with playstation.

Same story.

@Yaycandy it was a statement by xbox’s boss under oath yet you say it’s a lie.

Bold.

And reading through other comments I see others claiming Spencer is lying too.

Alrighty then.

You all know Sony bought exclusivity and the whole of Insomniac after the Sunset Overdrive exclusivity deal by xbox, right? I’d love to see the day Insomniac releases Spiderman on Xbox. To disprove Spencer’s point made.

Yeah, they get more money from consumers this way.

And sony doesn’t release enough games for a subscription model to work. One game a year, and a few 3d party exclusives aren’t going to cut it.

Lol at so many people here trash talking Microsoft when Sony buys advertisement rights for so many games.

Also a reminder to everybody that the Atlus Persona games shown will be on gamepass so the deal is still better on xbox. And maybe Metaphor Refanrazio too. So us consumers win.

@Darth_Stofi why though? What are your arguments?

@dodoo Agreed

@naruball in terms of diversity in gaming (different gaming experiences) I think Nintendo still wins. Compare Metroid with Zelda, Brain Age, Clubhouse Games, Mario, Famicom Detective Club, Fire Emblem, Mario Kart, Luigi’s Mansion, Nintendo Labo, Super Smash Bros and Splatoon and you can see that no two gaming experiences are alike.

Jim Ryan basically saying: ‘don’t you guys have phones and loads of spare time for all our upcoming games as a service?’

Well, this is Sony investing in the live-service games. I think I saw three or four of those games? With Square Enix and EA also adding theirs?

I miss the days where Sony would release also a bunch of experimental and smaller stuff in between the big hitters. Sadly they wrapped up those studios.

Looking forward to the 3d party games though. Especially Diablo IV, Street fighter 6, metal gear soliD, Alan Wake 2 and Talos Principle 2. But I’ll be playing all those games on my series X because I like that console more for games that don’t make use of the dual sense controller.

@ChrisDeku nah man. I was just responding to your claim that PS4 was selling more systems than switch during their lifespan.

@ChrisDeku ok, feel free to change the metric to whatever fits your need, of course. I think Sony did the same in their chart.

If you look at the chart I gave a link to you can also see that 20 months in Nintendo was ahead. And 32 months in again. So yeah….

@ChrisDeku why should it be divided into regions? Switch outsold ps4, most important metric. Also, makes sense that the ps4 was ahead of switch until the pandemic because the ps4 is years longer on the market. And per year on the market the switch and the ps4 had roughly the same sales but the ps4 lost steam and the switch did years later. https://www.vgchartz.com/article/454961/switch-vs-ps4-sales-comparison-august-2022/

@MrRusty agreed

@Kevw2006 you could say that to above commenters who brought dlc for gta iv into the discussion then too…

Also, the whole spiderman franchise is excluded from anything not Sony. So…. it has nothing to do with Insomniac, they just made the game Sony asked them to make, but Sony kept the whole Spiderman franchise from all other places. Incomparable to Hellblade.

@Kevw2006 same can be said about the gta iv dlc

@Kevw2006 that game was not in that whole list @anthony_daniels had written down. And it’s a franchise consisting of a single game.

Also, that company is comparable in size to insomniac when bought. Shall we start talking about Spiderman exclusivity too? And compare the size of that franchise to Hellblade?

@Americansamurai1 yeah, I know, and the other 3 gta’s were exclusive for sony for years before that. Sony started that shut.

@ItsBritneyB_tch be happy it gets fixed?