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Stop reducing the number of offerings. At the time of the tiered relaunch, we were getting around double the number if games we get most months now. Quality hasnt changed either (many would argue it's declined) the key to any subscription model is choice, if you're offering 15 games a month and I own the a third of them already and am not interested in another third that still gives me a good chance of finding something worthwhile that month, reduce it down to the 8 games we typically get now and finding something you're interested in each month gets a lot harder and ultimately people arent going to stay if thats happening.

Best month of the year by a mile after a few months of dross.

Weirdly, the headline title, cyberpunk is the only game I have zero interest in playing. Banishers, planet zoo and risk of rain 2 will all be downloaded day 1.

Tropico and new world are backburner games that i might get around to trying at some point and Abiotic factor will be dependent on how manageable it is solo. Very happy with that selection.

If there's 20 minutes of new features then great, should be a worthwhile viewing but I dont think there will be. I expect this to be a more of the same sequel which is absolutely fine but if so we dont need to see 20 minutes of it.

Wish they wouldn't give us the popular ones like the upcoming resi 2&3 that we can already play and have had remakes and re-releases aplenty.

give us the forgotten gems. I want sheep dog n wolf, mercenaries, total overdose, In cold blood, prisoner of war, shadow of Rome, psi-ops, metal arms glitch in the system.

Gamepass isnt a sustainable model on its own, that has been said aince its inception but that doesnt impact anybody but Microsoft. Everybody else should take advantage of it whilst they can.

I don't understand why devs think it harms the industry.

Devs have a choice of accepting gamepass money or not, if they choose to accept it, it's then on them to agree to a deal they're satisfied with and should anticipate that figure will replace the bulk of sales on that platform.

If a dev doesn't want to go to a subscription service and is worried about sales as people wait for it then they should simply make it clear in their marketing of their game that they have no intention of ever going to a subscription service to inform those that would otherwise wait. If they then reverse their decision later down the line and have their cake and eat it by coming to a subscription service, they'll burn all bridges with their audience for future releases.

Gamepass is great for everybody but Microsoft. Enjoy it whilst you can.

The get there's were the only real difficult part of 1&2 and then the egregiously grindy level 100. If they've removed both and haven't replaced them with something similar, this will be a very easy platinum.

Oh no. Absolute no marks on social media that clearly lack any genuine intellect want to dramatise something. Who'd have thunk it?

People just throw out statements with nothing to back it. What's being devalued and how?

Playstation is the dominant force, Microsoft have ceased even making a fight of it and switched their entire strategy which means theres no fight anymore.

These people are the equivalent of the old Japanese war vets holed up on some remote island that haven't been told the war is over yet. There's no console war anymore so there's no value gained in being a console exclusive.

Played the first via ps+ and enjoyed it far more than I ever thought i would. will do the same for the sequel eventually.

Wasnt this just bad and a broken mess though? You can potentially come back from a broken mess of a launch but if it's also bad, fixing the broken parts still leaves you with bad. There's no redemption there.

The surprise here is the timing, feels like it should have come much sooner, how many more players is it going to attract? Expect it to be on ps+ around this Xbox release to capitalize on bolstered numbers

A game in development since 2018 has to be almost ready, surely? If not, why wasnt it cancelled a long time ago? Feel like it's too late to be getting any value out of cancelling it.

Even as somebody with no experience of perfect dark, what they showed of it looked really, really good imo.

@Dodoo Nazis?

@Sergo You don't actually get the expansion, I'm pretty certain it is just one of those situations where the game has updated and thats the new base version of the game, you still have to buy the dlc if you want it.

Had to select a second version of the game which then takes you to the checkout screen and charges you £0.00

Looking forward to getting stuck into it. Platinumed Diablo 3, my intention is to do the same with Diablo 4.

Same people that demand day 1 titles on thr service moan just as hard when we actuallt get them.

Doesn't seem like something I'd typically jump into but i might give it a try, but only if I can play it entirely solo.

@RiverGenie if you've got gamepass and you're actively buying whatever new titles you want, I'm not sure what you expect to get from having ps+ too.

Thats a case of you subscribing to something you really don’t need rather than the offerings being bad.

Gamepass and ps+ have constantly picked from the same pool of games, when a game is removed from one it often appears on the other shortly after. The same devs will be open to the same deals from either service, the difference being gamepass pay more to get games day 1/earlier and charge more as a consequence. If Sony took the approach of not adding titles that have been to gamepass first just to satisfy the small sample that subscribe to both, they'd have a much smaller and poorer pool of games to choose from.

@RiverGenie out of interest, what do you play and what are you wanting them to add if you're struggling for 1 or 2 games a year when we get well over 100 games over the year across the 3 tiers.

@nomither6 being popular doesn't automatically mean something isn't also filling a niche. Its a tailored genre almost exclusively for fans of those sports, of which there are many, but it has a slim to no appeal outside of those people.

Somebody who doesnt like American football is just not going to bother even trying a Madden game regardless of how good it is. whereas somebody who doesnt like Harry Potter for example, isn't neccesarily going to have the same lack of interest in playing hogwarts legacy.

@nomither6 of course they are. They are as niche of a genre as it gets in gaming.

People who aren't a fan of whatever sport dont typically play those games, somebody who isn't a football fan isn't likely to casually pick up the latest fifa (fc) game and give it a go despite having no interest in the sport.

Fighting games i lump in with sports games in that they are a niche genre that shouldn't be essential games and should be limited to filler for extra. Diablo is a great offering and jusant is a good title to fill the indie slot. Happy with that. One of the better recent months.

I dont think it being a catastrophic flop has had that much impact on this decision. They were always going to have people doing nothing that they dont need to be paying once their game was shipped, as is the norm.

The best soulslike not from fromsoft is Nioh. Very nice to see it's sold well despite being on gamepass. Should ensure we can look forward to more iterations. I expected it on ps+ this last month ahead of the dlc, would have been a smart move, perhaps it's the essential offering for July?

If its.not ready then fine delay it but don't be delaying to increase the scope of the game.

It appears the whole point and appeal of this is to get out a quality, shorter, and cheaper game quickly, if you start upping the budget and delaying it you may aswell just make it a full blown AAA title. I'd take something of this nature 6 months to a year earlier without voice acting all day.

Blue prince by a mile. A unique game that will live long in the memory.

Game doesn't need a delay it needs canning or a total overhaul. There's nothing Bungie can do in a timespan less than multiple years that would drastically improve this game and make it enticing to the much wider audience it's going to need to survive. It's just an expensive bad idea at a bad time and no amount of extra time will change that.

Dying light 2 and remnant 2 are both cracking games. Thankfully I've platinumed them both. Not into final fantasy so nothing for me to get through quickly this month and nothing new added I'm interested in for the last 2 months either. A barren time just when a lot of subscription renewals including my own is due. Not a very sound plan from Playstation once again.

Pretty much exactly what I suspected.

They done well to secure ps+/gamepass day 1 funding otherwise this would have been a disaster. I suspect with those deals alone theyve more than covered the cost of developing and maintaining this game for the forseeable so it shouldn't harm remedy as a company.

There's probably enough Remedy love to keep it going for a little longer than the usual DoA fate this type of game would have but not much more.

Shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. It's a by the numbers extraction shooter, why would a niche genre suddenly become a big hit when it offers absolutely nothing unique to entice people towards it?

Said all along it either needs something unique and good or at the very least, something borrowed from other popular mainstream genres to attract an audience to this genre. It appears to have none of that so of course it has no buzz.

Loved borderlands. borderlands 2 was an absolute masterpiece. pre-sequel felt like a step back and 3 felt dated with nothing new but still decent enough.

This will be the first borderlands game I'm not purchasing day 1. Feel like the franchise needs a big overhaul, if we get it then I'll play it when it inevitably comes to ps+ just as every other borderlands game to date has.

It's 4th but that tells us nothing. Just look at the list, it's behind a game that's multiple years old and is available on ps+ extra now.

People act like they're paying £20 a month for premium over extra and not £20 a year. 1 game a month on top of the other perks is more than adequate for what you're paying for it. Go see what that money will buy you on the ps store if you don't think it's good value.

And I'm saying that as somebody who doesn't really use premium, the games haven't interested me, I'm only subscribed to it because I'm grandfathered in and it's cheaper than extra

Absolute weirdos. But at least it keeps them busy, I wouldn't care to imagine the deprived stuff these people would get up to otherwise if it wasn't this.

Gamepass day 1 is just an accelerated escalation of the ever present existence of rapid post launch depreciation. It's just the next step along from games being 50% cheaper 12 months after release. They're not victims to gamepass either, they've countered against it by raising prices and by making special editions and introducing paid early access along with micro transactions and siphoning off parts of games to release as paid dlc.

There's nothing forcing them to accept a gamepass deal if that's what they believe, it helps many smaller or new studios survive and brings exposure that could lead to them prospering if they make a quality product.

They're speaking as if they had absolutely no idea of what state the game was in. They actively chose to release it in this state, you don't essentially try and con people into paying for something broken and unfinished and then say sorry and expect all to be forgiven.

I might need to revise my claim last week that this would be on ps+ in December. If scores are as harsh across the board it might be even sooner.

Woeful. Barrel scraping hitting new depths by the month at the minute.

Fewer games being offered, more and more online titles, the majority of which are or soon will be dead, More games that have already been on ps+, more games that are broken with unobtainable platinum. Feels like almost deliberate sabotage at this point.

To the surprise of absolutely nobody with eyes and common sense.

@Flaming_Kaiser it's fair because that's the price of having Xbox games on Playstation day 1. They ultimately want you on xbox/gamepass so its either enticing you to them or youre paying a premium to help fund their platform.

Whether you choose to pay it is upto you. Personally, despite playing as much if not more than ever, I've bought just 2 games on release this decade. With the market flooded with quality games and not enough time to play everything, there's really no need to buy anything on release for full price nowadays, buying day 1 is essentially just another form of early access that you're paying 50% extra for.

Why is this kind of thing still making headlines? The industry became contract based about decade ago now if not longer.

People have specific roles within the game development, for a lot of them, they can only do their roles at certain stages of development. games cost so much and takes so long to make now that it no longer makes financial sense to employ somebody to literally do nothing for months if not years at a time so they're laid off and they'll re-hire for that role when it's required.

This kind of process is common throughout many different industries, it's nothing new it has just become the norm in the gaming industry yet people are still unwilling to accept it and act like all devs should pay people to do nothing for vast quantities of time.

As an example, If you're working in construction, you're not going to bring in a contracted specialist roofer whilst you're still laying foundations

Biggest red flag in gaming. Has there ever been a game that hasn't been at least underwhelming that didn't send out early review codes? At this point, even if the game is dreadful there would be less negativity in the reviews than there is by simply not allowing early reviews. A PR disaster and its shocking anybody is still making these basic errors.

Screams Decembers ps+ essential game.

I don't blame Microsoft for this. They're putting it on gamepass, they're bringing it to other consoles day 1 but the consequence of that is you have to pay top whack. I think that's fair. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy it, just don't buy it at launch and wait for the inevitable price drop 6-12 months later, waiting that like would only be similar to a timed exclusive release anyway like say Indiana Jones.

Victim of its own over-extended hype. I really enjoyed hollow knight but it wasn't this unprecedented masterpiece it's morphed into whilst we wait on a sequel. There's been loads of similar metroidvanias since hollow knight and a lot of them have at the very least been on a par if not better.

Hasn't made any sense to buy full price games for half a decade now anyway.

Games aren't progressing much anymore, a 5 year old game looks largely similar, even 10 year old titles aren't much different and with there being more and more games released every year and a limited time to play them there's always a backlog waiting to play either via a subscription service or buying heavily discounted.

One of the better showings, shows promise but that name is truly abysmal.

Not great. Seemed to be an abundance of multi-player games, many of which I expect will have a very short lifespan.

With Xbox owning half the game devs nowadays and wanting to do their own thing and sony having pretty much nothing thanks to the swathe of cancelled live service guff and so had to prop up their own poor SoP with 3rd party stuff there wasn't much left for Geoff which is why it felt more pc centric than ever.

Jurassic world evolution 3 was probably the only surprise announcement I would genuinely want to play day 1. New drinkbox game looked sweet.

Incredibly mediocre in my eyes. Nioh 3 doing the heavy lifting pulling it up to mediocre from an otherwise poor showing. Worst state of play we've seen in a while for me personally. Last one was miles better.

Nioh 3 for me by a country mile. Only game I will actually buy. Can understand the love for Bond, it looked good and IO are excellent.

Surprised how popular the marvel fighting game is. Not because it looks bad or anything mind, genuinely thought fighting games were much more niche than it would appear

Possibly an unpopular opinion but I think it looks incredibly dull.