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@GamingFan4Lyf It looks like it was written into the agreement that Sony had the right to do it if certain targets weren't met, which Bungie entered in to knowing this was the case. The consequences could be far worse for them if they were still independent.
It's not an ideal situation, but surely it's better than the alternative.

For those in the UK it's 'only' £59.99, not £70 on the PS store.

Happy at that, I always found it to be really cheesy and cringey.

@nomither6 There's nothing exaggerated about them, both had a successful console then made some poor choices for the follow up and they then 'flopped'. The same thing could easily have happened to Sony, and still could happen. It almost did with the PS3 after a successful PS2 until they turned it round. Complacency and unpopular choices can easily crash public perception.

@Texan_Survivor "The last of us part 2 was poorly received and completely torn apart by many popular reviewers", are you sure on this? It won over 320 game of the year awards and has a 93 rating on metacritic. If that's poorly received then it hate to see what standard it needs to meet to have got a positive reception. Or are you just insisting it was poorly received as it was review bombed because certain people weren't happy with some of the story elements?

@KilloWertz Where are you getting 6 years from? The Last of Us Part 2 only came out in 2020.

@sanderson72 I'll echo my comment above. Was the Wii U a success following on from the success of the Wii? Was the Xbox One a success following on from the success of the 360?

While it does help, one console being successful does not guarantee its successor will be. It still needs to be something that people will want in its own right.

It honestly baffles me as to how they can make such a mess of a remake. Sony should have offered Bluepoint's expertise to help with it.

@nomither6 I think the Wii>Wii U and Xbox 360>Xbox One examples prove that one console being successful doesn't guarantee that its successor will be. To dismiss Sony's achievements with the PS5's as merely following on from the successes of the PS4 is a bit shallow.

Yet it's listed as an accessory on their own online store.

@naruball Has it sold well though? In CoD terms that is. Notice how they aren't going on about player numbers, it's hours per player. They're suspiciously quiet on actual player numbers.

Surprised to see CoD knocked off the top spot so early, even if it is for Hogwarts Legacy.

@Mauzuri I'm not sure where you're getting almost ten years from, The Last of Us Part 2 only released in 2020, which unless I'm mistaken is only three years ago. Given how long game development for a game of their quality takes these days I wouldn't be expecting to hear any announcements for their next main project for a little while yet.

@SlipperyFish I think he was referring to Japan only.

@QuoVadis I hope my original reply didn't come across as overly defensive as that wasn't really my intention. I actually agree with most of what you said as putting myself in the same position I think I would feel the same way you do. While I love my PS5 I am yet to be wowed by it it the way I have with previous consoles.
Couldn't agree with you more about Nintendo too, they seem to have some weird magic where they are able to keep franchises that date back even further than PlayStation and Xbox feeling fresh far better than the other two do.

@QuoVadis One thing about your post is a bit unfair as you're coming at both consoles from a different perspective. Having had every PlayStation since the PS1 the PS5 will not feel all that different and if you're used to Sony's style of first party games then PS5 games won't feel very different to you. However, being completely new to the Xbox ecosystem everything will feel completely new to you on there as you're getting to experience everything for the first time. For example, if you had played previous Forza games on the Xbox One do you think Forza on the Series X would have the same wow factor? Particularly if you had gone from a One X instead of the standard model.
We're at the point of diminishing returns now where the improvements between generations aren't as noticeable as they once were, despite what Sony and MS try to make us believe.

As most others have already said I do hope those that were very vocally opposing the very local assumption that it was stock issues and people waiting on the new model comment to apologise.

@Godot25 Sony allow EA Play on PlayStation so there's no reason they couldn't allow game pass. Dropping out of the console market they would no longer be a rival, they would become partners much like they would be with EA, Ubisoft etc. Although of course you completely ignored the fact that I was speaking about a first party only game pass. Do you really think Sony wouldn't like to have Starfield or TES6, for example, available on PlayStation?
If they were purely in the software side of things they also wouldn't have the outgoings involved with being in the console market too, sure they might end up bringing in less money but they would be spending a lot less on that side of things too.
As I've said, I don't actually see any of this happening, but I don't see it as being completely unrealistic that it could happen.

@Sakai Completely agree. Despite me keeping my mind open to other possibilities, I think it's a fairly safe bet that we will see a PS6 and next gen Xbox. I think those will be the last traditional consoles as we know them though. Everyone knows Microsoft's position on cloud and Sony seem to be getting their act together there too so I expect that anything after the next gen will be heavily cloud orientated.

@Godot25 I understand perfectly fine but you seem to be completely missing my point. By your own admission Microsoft's revenue has been massively bolstered by the acquisition of some fairly large multiplatform IPs that are arguably likely to be bringing in more revenue for them from other platforms than they are from their own. Does it not even seem remotely possible that they could decide that that it the way forward for them?

@Sakai Admittedly I haven't really though through the more intricate details as I was mainly just theorising so I'm happy to concede any flaws that people spot. As I said in my original comment, I agree that it's not something that I actually see happening. However, if Microsoft decide that the demand for Xbox consoles just isn't what they would want it to be, as despite what many people say about them not caring about console sales I just don't see a company going to the trouble of designing and releasing a console and then not caring if people buy it, then they may decide that it's just not worth them continuing in that market. Phil Spencer has already said that they had threatened to pull out before and he managed to convince them otherwise.
The existence of plans, and even development, of a new console does not necessarily mean that it will actually ever be released. There are many products that enter development that never make it through to the production stage. I'm sure that Sony are currently developing the next PlayStation too but I would never give a 100% guarantee that a PS6 will release, there's many things that could change between now and then.
The decision to cancel the PS version of Starfield was taken very early in the current gen when sales were much closer. It being exclusive could have given Xbox the edge. It made sense to make it exclusive.

@Godot25 Either they care about console sales or they don't, you can't pick and choose depending on the particular comment you are replying to. If the majority of game pass subs are console users then surely high console sales would be desirable.
If Microsoft went fully third party and released on PlayStation and Switch the increased sales and potential revenue through MTX would likely offset any losses from dropping out from the hardware side. Sony would never allow game pass on PlayStation in its current form as they would take a hit on possible losses in third party sales, however the may allow an EA Play or Ubisoft Plus style first party only version of game pass, and Nintendo would likely allow the same.

@Godot25 That's the thing though, if console sales are much lower but revenue is still on a par with Sony then they are clearly making far more through software and services than they are through hardware. While I don't see it happening the higher ups at Microsoft could decide to cut their losses on hardware and go all in on the software and services side if that's where the real money is coming in for them.
Edit: You have even used two multiplatform games Microsoft now owns which really proves the point I'm trying to make better than I ever could.

@LifeGirl Initial demand seems fairly high. Pre-orders were sold out on both Amazon and PS Direct when I checked.

"If you can play anywhere", but you can't play "anywhere".

@RadioHedgeFund I can definitely agree that the rollout of PS1 classics in particular has been disappointingly slow.

@RadioHedgeFund I guess you must be enjoying the whole ABK back catalogue on game pass just now then...oh wait. As MS themselves have said numerous times it's not that straightforward and they will work on adding games over time so I wouldn't be expecting a one day dump of games if they bought Sega either. The smart thing is to add them periodically over time to give each game time to shine rather than saturate the service with a whole load of games all at once.

@Sakai I'm not saying it's the only reason, or the biggest reason by any means, as I still think the DLC repackaged as a full release feeling has affected the scores badly. But something to bear in mind is that streamers often get paid promotion, perks, gifts etc that keeps them saying good things about a game. A lot of popular streamers likely didn't even have to pay for the game.
Comparing the score to that of Gollum puts things in perspective, if MW3 had released as a lower price DLC it would likely be sitting at around a solid 8/10.

@Sakai It's been a common complaint for the past few years now that CoD has been designed to pander to streamers to the detriment of the more casual players. That probably explains why streamers are so happy with it as it has basically been designed for them

At this point I'm convinced that CoD is some sort of warped experiment to see how much they can screw gamers over and they will still buy the game every year.

@zekepliskin Umm you literally did that exact same thing with your comment that I was replying to "Folders are essential if you have a big games library, trust me.". The only reason my comment came across that way is because I was just twisting your own words back.

I wasn't speaking for anyone but myself when I replied. You stated that folders were essential if you had a large games library, no saying that you feel like that in your case, it was a blanket statement speaking on behalf of anyone that has a large games library. You even ended your comment by saying you're not alone there. I was merely responding to say that in my case they aren't. I even specifically made a point to only reference myself as I'm only speaking about my own personal experience.

Although to further elaborate on my earlier comment when you refer to something as being essential I take that as being that it is something that is required to make something function and it just wouldn't work without, which would not apply to folders. In my own opinion I would say that they are desirable but not exactly essential.

@zekepliskin I have over 1,000 games in my library between PS4 and PS5 and I can assure you that folders absolutely are not essential. There is a pretty handy search facility that I can use to find any game I want far quicker than it would be to navigate to the relevant folder and then find the game within that folder. I've never used them on PS4 and I've never used them on PS5 either, because yes, they do exist on there in some capacity.

@Mauzuri I buy a games console to be precisely that, a games console. As long as I can switch it on, select a game and then play that game it does everything I need it to. Any other features that are included are just bonuses. If those features were essential to me then I'd just buy a PC for gaming, but I don't do that because I prefer the simplicity of consoles. If the removal of twitter integration affects your life that bad then you are well within your rights to vote with your wallet.

@KundaliniRising333 Describing it as a cash grab is a bit inaccurate. It's a completely optional device that no one really needs, but Sony isn't forcing anyone to buy it as you aren't going to miss out on anything by not having it. Although there are some people out there that will see a use or benefit to it and decide that what they will get out of it is worth the purchase. It's merely providing another option to people for how they can game. Isn't offering different options a good thing?
Personally I'm still on the fence about this as it's not something I would see myself using much as if I can't use the tv to game then it's normally because I'm streaming something to watch, so the connection to the portal wouldn't be great at the same time.

@Dr-zoidburg Can they afford to? Yes. But unless there is a significant levelling off in the numbers over the next ten years it wouldn't be a very smart business decision.

@KundaliniRising333 It's just speculation based on fairly logical reasoning. As others have said we will find out for sure once the new model releases.

@lightningbolt79 Pure Xbox ran an article on this last week and it was celebrating the fact that Xbox had outsold PS in Japan for the week, without making any real reference to the fact that PS5 sales were abnormally low and the Xbox sales were just around the average that they have been. The article even tried to claim that there was more demand for Xbox than PS in Japan. I'd say this article is fairly tame in comparison.

@cburg Did you post a similar comment on Pure Xbox's similarly fanboyish article on the same subject last week?

@PsBoxSwitchOwner Completely agree, even if they absolutely refuse to release on Xbox they should at least be launching some of these games on PC, and possibly even mobile, at the same time as PS.

It's not mentioned in the review so I'm not sure if the reviewer was aware that if you click the left stick it changes the controls to a cursor, which makes some things much easier and enables you to drag and drop for swapping players too.

@MasterEMFG If you get someone to message you a link to Google you can access it through that link and search for anything you want. I'm not saying it has full functionality as I haven't personally used it much in this way, and you can't access the address bar to type in a website directly, but there is a form of functioning browser on there.

My guess would be not enough people used it to justify paying the increased API costs. I'd actually forgot it was even there as an option so it's no big loss to me but I'm sure there will be some out there that won't be happy.

@MasterEMFG PS5 does have a browser, it just isn't easily accessible. There are ways to get round that though.

I don't really feel like part of an Xbox community for being part of a community they inherited by buying the company that owns a particular game. I can see them converting Activision accounts for Call of Duty to Xbox accounts to further inflate their user numbers like they did for Minecraft.

@Buckeye4Life2015 I'd be happy with this provided there was also an option to buy the games separately too. If they're making them available on game pass them there's no reason they couldn't make them available for individual purchase too. I'd still much rather pay a one off fee for a game I do want to play, rather than an ongoing sub for a load of games I don't want to play.

@__jamiie Isn't the price exactly the same as they currently are? Granted, it doesn't come with the vertical stand anymore but it doesn't exactly look like it is needed, plus there is a slight boost to storage space so you do get a little bit 'extra'.

Glad to see Robocop doing well. It's higher than I was expecting.

I think it's set up for Miles to be the main character at the start of Spiderman 3 and then at the mid to three quarter mark something will happen that will force Peter to come out of retirement and take over the lead again.

It's a viscous cycle, people have every right to vote with their wallets but cancelling pre-orders and boycotting is likely to lead to the very thing they are protesting happening even more.

@Ken_Kaniff Appreciate the clarification. You're right, the success rate for GaaS is very low. Most will be virtually dead on arrival, some will have moderate success for a period and then fade away but the rare ones that do get big get really big.
I suspect Sony were fully aware that the majority of those 10 planned GaaS releases they intended would be doomed to failure, with the hope being that two or three of them might hit some sort of reasonable success. Hopefully those plans are now under review but I feel that some of them will still release.