Who are these people that have the time and day to moan about a game going multi platform? Honestly do they have jobs? Do they not have rents or mortgages to worry about? How is it that with all the problems in the world this is the one they are moaning about?
I think the tide is turning the first time in a very long time. This showcase was a win for xbox, Playstation's live service model is going to ruin their portfolio and road map of top quality single player games.
Can't believe people are still getting salty over PC ports. Some even calling it bad strategy. Well considering they keep releasing to PC, I think its fair to say they are seeing a good return on it otherwise why would they bother?
They are making 12 live service games? Then how will they have any resources to make single player games? Looks PS5 Gen will be live service mostly from Sony first party. We may get 3-4 more single player games at this point this Gen and that's about it from Sony Studios.
I think Playstation might just be moving away from single player games. I think future for them is live service. We saw many of those games in the showcase and just 1 single player first party.
This is what happens when you push for live service games. 5 Playstation studios live service games and only 1 single player. Such a Trash showcase. Probably the worst one I've ever seen.
1. Spider-Man 2 Gameplay 2. Wolverine New Trailer 3. Reveals of at least 2 live service games 4. Ghost of Tsushima 2 CGI Reveal trailer 5. Bluepoint's next project 6. Last of Us Factions Gameplay
3rd Party Exclusives 1. Star Wars KOTOR new trailer 2. Stellar Blade Release Date reveal 3. Pacific Drive release date reveal 4. Brand New Game as Timed Exclusive 5. Another Brand New Game as Timed Exclusive
I still don't think people understand how big Call of Duty is, people will ditch Playstation for Xbox if it ever goes exclusive. There is no doubt about that.
@UltimateOtaku91 Destiny 2 is nowhere near a CoD killer. MW II last year generate a billion dollars in sale within a few days of launch and no doubt a large chunk of those sales were on Playstation
Personally I prefer the Playstation Plus service over Game Pass. The library has the better games. Yes they might not be newer titles but they are still higher quality titles and just far better in selection when compared to game pass.
@FenIsMightier you've given a fabulous example with the Google and apple products. This is exactly why I didn't understand Phil's point about ecosystem. When I think about Playstation or Xbox I don't think about the ecosystem I just think about what Games I'll be able to play on it. I bought Xbox 360 for Halo 3 but then I also bought Playstation 3 to play Uncharted and Killzone. Same for Playstation 4, I wanted access to the new Uncharted and God of War. I went back to Xbox with the Series X because I missed out on the Xbox One so there were Exclusives like Halo 5, Gears 4 and 5, Forza Horizon which I didn't have on PS4. Point being that for me it was always the games that attracted me to the console. I never thought about anything else.
@Neither_scene yeah you make a excellent point about the mass market. Its actually spot on. I forgot that FIFA and COD have a huge impact. I also know someone who only plays these 2 games and doesn't care about anything else and there's a lot of people who do the same thing. It's a very interesting conversation and I guess it's not as straightforward as I thought it was.
@Neither_scene but the gaming industry is drastically different to smartphone or music industry.
With the example of iPod, a music library is something that you'll use for years, people listen to their favourite music on repeat because it doesn't require a huge deal of time.
Even with smartphone, once you buy it, you're not going to buy anything else for it. You'll just stick with it. That's it, you now have a phone.
Gaming is completely different, the people who invest the most in gaming are the people who work full time. So they have limited time. Which means they are not really going to play old games again and again no matter how big the library is. That's a contrast to having a huge iTunes library.
With gaming when you buy a console, it's not the end. Unlike with a smartphone. After buying a console you look for a constant supply of great games. So eventually over time your digital library is not going to mean much when you realise the competitor console is releasing master piece after master piece. Neither is the ecosystem going to matter. If tomorrow Xbox made better games then God of War, Uncharted, Horizon, Last of Us. Then people who have a Playstation now would indeed switch over. There is no way they wouldn't.
In terms of ecosystem, what is it that consoles have? Controllers, Digital Libarary, Peripherals? All of these things are secondary to great games. GREAT Games is literally the reason we all love gaming.
@get2sammyb absolutely, it's the cumulative sum. If for instance Xbox built games that were constantly getting 10/10 and suddenly made bigger and better games then Playstation then that would definitely turn the tide. Who wouldn't want to play such games? The comments he made are indeed odd.
He said in the interview that even if Xbox builds great games they can't win the generation because they lost the last generation in which people built huge digital libraries. People won't ditch those libraries no matter what.
I'm not sure I agree with that. There's only so many times a person can play an old game until they get bored. Also who are these people that continuesly play old games? There's barely enough time to play new games. Great games is literally the reason to game. It's the only reason. Great games = fun. I don't get his logic.
It's funny how so many people in the comments are complaining about Bobby Kottick.
Yet I bet a large majority of you have bought Activision games. You're the same people who go out and purchase the new COD every year. You've already made him rich. So why are you complaining now? Literally makes no sense.
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Re: Some PlayStation Fans Are Losing Their Minds Over LEGO Horizon Being on Switch
Who are these people that have the time and day to moan about a game going multi platform? Honestly do they have jobs? Do they not have rents or mortgages to worry about? How is it that with all the problems in the world this is the one they are moaning about?
Re: PS Plus Premium's Classic Catalogue Seemingly Adding Star Wars Rebel Assault 2 Next Month
Wonder if they’ll ever re-add kill zone 2 and 3
Re: PS Plus Essential Games for April 2024 Announced
@MonkeyNinja506 thanks so much
Re: PS Plus Essential Games for April 2024 Announced
If you have a ps4 can you still claim ps5 games on ps plus and then play them after you get ps5
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 521
Still playing Control and Motorstorm Apocalypse. I finished Bastion last night, great game.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 520
Playing Control, Bastion, Motorstorm Apocalypse and Rocket League
Re: PS Plus Premium Will Allow for PS5 Game Streaming in Future Update
So will you be able to stream ps5 games on ps4?
Re: Reaction: Solid Xbox Showcase Should Give Sony Some Incentive to Stop Being So Damn Cloak and Daggers About PS5, PS4
I think the tide is turning the first time in a very long time. This showcase was a win for xbox, Playstation's live service model is going to ruin their portfolio and road map of top quality single player games.
Re: Poll: Was Summer Game Fest 2023 a Sizzler or a Wash Out?
Made the Playstation showcase look like a master piece
Re: PS5 Showpiece Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Jumps to the PC Dimension in July
Can't believe people are still getting salty over PC ports. Some even calling it bad strategy. Well considering they keep releasing to PC, I think its fair to say they are seeing a good return on it otherwise why would they bother?
Re: Phantom Blade Zero, the Awesome PS5 Action Game from PS Showcase, Sounds Too Good to Be True
Wasn't Sony backing that Abandoned game too lol?
Re: Reaction: Sony's PS5, PC Live Service Strategy Won't Work If It's All Samey Shooters
They are making 12 live service games? Then how will they have any resources to make single player games? Looks PS5 Gen will be live service mostly from Sony first party. We may get 3-4 more single player games at this point this Gen and that's about it from Sony Studios.
Re: PS Showcase Demonstrated Sony's Efforts to Offer 'Best and Most Varied Catalog of Games', Jim Ryan Claims
Playstation future is clearly live service Games now. They are focusing on this and I think single playe games Will now be an after thought.
Re: Reaction: Sony Flubs First Proper PS5 Presentation in Over 18 Months
I think Playstation might just be moving away from single player games. I think future for them is live service. We saw many of those games in the showcase and just 1 single player first party.
Re: Poll: Was This Sony's Best PlayStation Showcase Yet?
This is what happens when you push for live service games. 5 Playstation studios live service games and only 1 single player. Such a Trash showcase. Probably the worst one I've ever seen.
Re: Poll: Was This Sony's Best PlayStation Showcase Yet?
That was very disappointing. What are the internal studios working on? We hardly got a look. Might aswell have called it a 3rd Party Showcase.
Re: Feature: Our PlayStation Showcase Predictions
Better Predictions on here than the PushSquare video on YouTube
Re: Random: Like Clockwork, the Fake PS Showcase Leaks Are Back
Killzone Reboot would be great but its probably never happening.
Re: Rumour: Ghost of Tsushima 2 Not at PlayStation Showcase
I'm looking forward to Spider-Man 2 Gameplay and hoping for new IP announcement from Sony Studios.
Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Announced for PS5, Out 19th September
Looks incredible
Re: PlayStation Showcase Finally Announced for 24th May
@Voltan nice, I didn't know that, guess it'll be a forever exclusive
Re: PlayStation Showcase Finally Announced for 24th May
First Party
1. Spider-Man 2 Gameplay
2. Wolverine New Trailer
3. Reveals of at least 2 live service games
4. Ghost of Tsushima 2 CGI Reveal trailer
5. Bluepoint's next project
6. Last of Us Factions Gameplay
3rd Party Exclusives
1. Star Wars KOTOR new trailer
2. Stellar Blade Release Date reveal
3. Pacific Drive release date reveal
4. Brand New Game as Timed Exclusive
5. Another Brand New Game as Timed Exclusive
VR
1. Bunch of new VR Games
Hardware
1. New PS5 Model coming next year
Re: PlayStation Showcase Finally Announced
Let's Go!!!! Can't wait
Re: PlayStation Showcase Is 'Happening Very Soon', Says Reliable Reporter
Was reading some reports yesterday that it could be held next Thursday.
Re: 22 More PS Plus Extra, Premium Games Available to Download Now
I'm struggling with the service so much. There are just too many good games to play on it right now and just not enough time.
Re: Microsoft's $69 Billion Activision Deal Approved by the EU Commission
I still don't think people understand how big Call of Duty is, people will ditch Playstation for Xbox if it ever goes exclusive. There is no doubt about that.
Re: UK's Regulator Responds to European Commission's Decision to Pass Xbox's Activision Buyout
Basically no Activision/Blizzard on gamepass in the UK. Wonder how many people this is going to trigger
Re: Microsoft's $69 Billion Activision Deal Approved by the EU Commission
@UltimateOtaku91 Destiny 2 is nowhere near a CoD killer. MW II last year generate a billion dollars in sale within a few days of launch and no doubt a large chunk of those sales were on Playstation
Re: Microsoft's $69 Billion Activision Deal Approved by the EU Commission
The beginning of the end of Call of Duty.
Re: 23 Games Hit PS Plus Extra, Premium Next Week in Big Update
How's the service not better then game pass? The quality is insane. Yeah there's no AAA day 1 but if day 1 means redfall then who cares.
Re: Rumour: PS Showcase Could Be Around Two Weeks Away
Let's go bro! I'm so excited to see what the first party studios have been upto. This could really be a huge showcase.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? - Issue 475
I'm playing Kena Bridge of Spirits and Sackboy A Big Adventure
Re: Soapbox: PS Plus Might Be Gaming's Best Subscription Service Now
Personally I prefer the Playstation Plus service over Game Pass. The library has the better games. Yes they might not be newer titles but they are still higher quality titles and just far better in selection when compared to game pass.
Re: Xbox Boss Admits Microsoft Can't 'Outconsole' PS5
@FenIsMightier you've given a fabulous example with the Google and apple products. This is exactly why I didn't understand Phil's point about ecosystem. When I think about Playstation or Xbox I don't think about the ecosystem I just think about what Games I'll be able to play on it. I bought Xbox 360 for Halo 3 but then I also bought Playstation 3 to play Uncharted and Killzone. Same for Playstation 4, I wanted access to the new Uncharted and God of War. I went back to Xbox with the Series X because I missed out on the Xbox One so there were Exclusives like Halo 5, Gears 4 and 5, Forza Horizon which I didn't have on PS4. Point being that for me it was always the games that attracted me to the console. I never thought about anything else.
Re: Xbox Boss Admits Microsoft Can't 'Outconsole' PS5
@Neither_scene yeah you make a excellent point about the mass market. Its actually spot on. I forgot that FIFA and COD have a huge impact. I also know someone who only plays these 2 games and doesn't care about anything else and there's a lot of people who do the same thing. It's a very interesting conversation and I guess it's not as straightforward as I thought it was.
Re: Xbox Boss Admits Microsoft Can't 'Outconsole' PS5
@Neither_scene but the gaming industry is drastically different to smartphone or music industry.
With the example of iPod, a music library is something that you'll use for years, people listen to their favourite music on repeat because it doesn't require a huge deal of time.
Even with smartphone, once you buy it, you're not going to buy anything else for it. You'll just stick with it. That's it, you now have a phone.
Gaming is completely different, the people who invest the most in gaming are the people who work full time. So they have limited time. Which means they are not really going to play old games again and again no matter how big the library is. That's a contrast to having a huge iTunes library.
With gaming when you buy a console, it's not the end. Unlike with a smartphone. After buying a console you look for a constant supply of great games. So eventually over time your digital library is not going to mean much when you realise the competitor console is releasing master piece after master piece. Neither is the ecosystem going to matter. If tomorrow Xbox made better games then God of War, Uncharted, Horizon, Last of Us. Then people who have a Playstation now would indeed switch over. There is no way they wouldn't.
In terms of ecosystem, what is it that consoles have? Controllers, Digital Libarary, Peripherals? All of these things are secondary to great games. GREAT Games is literally the reason we all love gaming.
Re: Xbox Boss Admits Microsoft Can't 'Outconsole' PS5
@get2sammyb absolutely, it's the cumulative sum. If for instance Xbox built games that were constantly getting 10/10 and suddenly made bigger and better games then Playstation then that would definitely turn the tide. Who wouldn't want to play such games? The comments he made are indeed odd.
Re: Xbox Boss Admits Microsoft Can't 'Outconsole' PS5
He said in the interview that even if Xbox builds great games they can't win the generation because they lost the last generation in which people built huge digital libraries. People won't ditch those libraries no matter what.
I'm not sure I agree with that. There's only so many times a person can play an old game until they get bored. Also who are these people that continuesly play old games? There's barely enough time to play new games. Great games is literally the reason to game. It's the only reason. Great games = fun. I don't get his logic.
Re: PS5 Action MMORPG Chrono Odyssey Almost Looks Too Good to Be True in Gameplay Reveal
It's MMO and being developed by devs who apparently have a history with NFTs
Re: This Is the Impact PS Plus Can Have on a Game's Player Numbers
This is a good game, I've played it quite a bit on game pass a few years back.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man 2 Gets a Comic Book Prequel, Out This Weekend
Insomniac, now that's a studio that knows how to deliver
Re: Activision Poised to Pocket a Cool $3 Billion if Xbox Buyout Breaks Down
It's funny how so many people in the comments are complaining about Bobby Kottick.
Yet I bet a large majority of you have bought Activision games. You're the same people who go out and purchase the new COD every year. You've already made him rich. So why are you complaining now? Literally makes no sense.