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@PloverNutter they most certainly would have a say in the price point and psn requirement. That's just silly to say otherwise. Gameplay, I'm sure you're mostly right

The only people who seem to be genuinely shocked by this are the Sony suits and the people who run this blog. This would be a totally different story if the game were F2P. A $40 price tag coupled with PSN requirement was never going to move the needle on Steam. I feel bad for the devs who are probably going to take the brunt of upper management's poor decision making

@ShogunRok $40 and a PSN requirement will detract a lot of Steam players. Brace for the expected

Shadow of the Erdtree. It's not even really close. Not only is it the same size and scope of most other developers' games, but it already out performed every game on this list in just 3 days. Except for HD2 which sold 12M units. Although, Sony put a sour taste in pc gamers' memories with the whole PSN requirement. And that is a big deal come voting day since 60% of all HD2 sales were on Steam alone.

@CrashBandicoat I think you'd be surprised. There were six confirmed endings after the first week, if I recall correctly. Fromsoftware NPCs follow a similar pattern in each of their games - exhaust all dialogue, and check in from time to time before you beat a boss

@Rmg0731 if you read any of them, you'll see that it's mostly due to performance. I'll admit, I was dipping into 45fps territory from time to time after the pre-dlc launch patch. Quite jarring going from 60fps. The latest patch seems to have smoothed things over though.

Edit: Also, the HD2 complaint was legitimate. They sold that game in countries/regions that they don't support and then told them they weren't going to have access to the game anymore

@Kanji-Tatsumi Dark Souls was still just a cult classic when it was reviewed. The blog says that it was only rated by 7 people

@PuppetMaster @Slayer25c

A story about another Sony leak...weird that so many PC players have resisted giving Sony access to their info

DOOM looks super fun

My best guess is that Sony needs Fromsoftware for something in order to make this happen. They may own the IP, but if they don't have the tools to run the engine then it's like owning keys without the vehicle that goes with it. I bet Sony is really kicking themselves for not purchasing From when they had the opportunity lmao

@ChrisDeku There are 6 confirmed endings, but you only need three for the platinum trophy

@Shinnok789 it will all be on the cloud, eventually. Microsoft has begin saying it for a while, and they must be making some headway. I'm sure that's why Sony is pooping their pampers over the PSN login. They want a launcher of their own. 10-15 years from now we'll probably have to subscribe to Game Pass or Playstation Studios launcher directly from our TV. No external box necessary unless you want a swanky AI PC

@Gabrielmpf don't stress it man. Microsoft looks like it's throwing in the towel, but they're not. They didn't give up on the "console wars" perse. They threw down the gauntlet by purchasing the biggest game companies with the largest active user base. They're just preparing for everything to be on the cloud. They may have lost to Sony in terms of the number of console sales, but they're still determined to win the war.

I should add that I don't think Sony and Microsoft being the only ones in charge of game development is a good thing. I think it's bad for gaming as a whole. I'm merely stating what I'm witnessing the giants do

@Mustoe I agree. Beating customers with a stick instead of enticing them with a carrot is not a great way to grow consumer faith

@Mustoe Very possible. I'm sure it's why Sony is making such a stink about PSN. They want their own launcher for when that day arrives. They just need to make it more readily available to those 180 territories...and maybe stop beating their customers with a stick

@Mustoe Xbox is going to the cloud. Soon, phones will be able to play these games. The mobile market is already astronomical. They just see the writing on the wall. Sony is just late to the party with their PC ports. They're coming to the realization that, in an already saturated market, broadening your net is the only way to attain growth

Gamers getting to play games! Amazing. With the lines between consoles and PC blurring, so are the days of games being system specific. The only issue for the foreseeable future is that only a few companies own all of the game developers. Which isn't great imo

@Alps_Stranger Owning both myself, I fail to see how a PC needs more "constant" attention than a 5-8 year window

@Alps_Stranger "We have consoles BECAUSE they're not PCs and we don't want to update them constantly."

...except every 5-8 years lol? (Less than that if you double dip and get slim or pro models)

@NEStalgia I agree, and I don't regarding the cost of a PC compared to a console. A PC is definitely more money up front. Especially if you want a 4070ti Super and up...but there are plenty of cards that play at 1440 or 4k just fine at the $300-400 mark.

Playstation is generally $500ish at launch. Peripherals are getting more expensive (and more cheaply made, I may add). And PS Plus is $80/year for the BASE tier. Clearly, given the metrics that Sony just provided shareholders, there are plenty of people getting one of the higher tiers. So over a 5-8 year wait for the next console you just spent an additional $400-640 on that same console.

In this light, the PC is more money up front but still comparable in price over the life of the product. That being said, there is definitely an up side to the simplicity of a plug n play system

@Marquez you're right. Let's not decrease upper management pay, fire 900+ people, and raise the cost of PS Plus and games. Oh, and let's prevent 180 regions from being able to purchase the PC titles...seems like a good balance to me. They should keep up the incredible work...

Typical hot air from the suits at the top

@ProfessorNiggle @Aladin_Run fair enough. There's something to be said for the convenience of a plug n' play system. There is certainly more tinkering with a PC, but I also am tech driven and like gadgetry. I'm simply pointing out that the cost is similar, but one is more money up front while the other is trickle feed

I find it hilarious how many of you are "na na na na goo"-ing PC players. If any of you Sony cheerleaders weren't able to purchase any of these games you'd lose your ***** lmao.

To be fair, the fact that a PSN account can be made in one of those 180 countries isn't the issue. The issue is that Valve and other launchers DO recognize that they're not in the correct region. That's why they're locked out. That's why people are upset

@ProfessorNiggle @Aladin_Run I mean, there are already rumors about the ps6... what's the difference in buying a $1-2k computer or buying a new console every 5-8 years (with an additional $400-640 for the BASE ps plus price tacked onto that). It's actually more cost effective in the long run to have a decent PC. Plus you get access to mods and free games. Kinda a no brainer

No update, no problem. Just wait for the next hack lol

@Netret0120 exactly. That's why I gave up on playstation. Sony is ripping us off. In the next few years I'm sure games will release on both simultaneously

@BHPM sony already has my info, so I'm with you there. I wouldn't care about the PSN if it didn't exclude gamers who could otherwise play the game. Unfortunately, Sony cares less about a bad image than they do money and data

@MisterNintendo I would hardly call stating facts crying, but whatever makes you feel better.

As a side note, I'm suprised that you don't want more people playing the game that you also love. That defies logic, but I guess they aren't you, so to hell with them. Right?

@REALAIS the issue isn't that they can't create a PSN. The issue is that Sony is a third party who uses launchers like Steam who do recognize the region is outside of the PSN network.

@BHPM precisely this. I've chatted with people in discord as recently as this morning who are beside themselves because they don't have access. Personally, I haven't purchased the game because I vote with my wallet. I'm hoping that they turn this decision around so that gamers around the world can play. It's beyond reason that people who have a Steam account can't play because they literally can't make a PSN

@Mikey856 they didn't provide numbers, but I did see somewhere that the PC PSN numbers were "significant". Which waters down the actual metric of knowing how much they're actually making via PS Plus

@NEStalgia I'm willing to put money down that the data is less important than shoehorning PC players into their network so they can eventually charge for their "services". Honestly, I've enjoyed all of their games, but I'm not going to continue to support them until they quit attempting to be overlords. They've been king of the hill within the confines of their own castle, but the big wide world isn't going to put up with all of their BS. They're experiencing a bit of a wake up call here

@TrickyDicky99 their platform is shrinking either way. Still significantly more than xbox, but younger generations are foregoing consoles altogether. Then there are old farts like me who bailed on them because they are ripping us off. I would still support their game studios if they weren't being so anti-consumer

@TrickyDicky99 charging PC players would kill their attempts to join that market. I feel yah though, them raising the price for PS Plus to $80 for the base tier was the final straw for me. Made me leave real quick.

"I can't believe Microsoft is making all of these mistakes. They're upsetting the entire gaming community with these decisions."

Sony: "hold my beer."

@Colt22 that doesn't help anyone in the nearly 180 countries that are being blocked from playing the game.

@TrickyDicky99 your original argument was that the PC market wasn't worth Sony's time. Which is why I brought up the player count, which overwhelmingly confirms that it is "worth their time". Sony is looking for growth, so naturally they want to tap into that market. Not to mention younger generations, and old farts like me, who are bailing on consoles.

Now this is where you change the subject again...

@TrickyDicky99 it's incredible how everyone in this blog, including yourself, complain about how much PC players complain. Maybe look into a mirror once in a while. I'm not going to argue on cost or quality, but there are significantly more PC players than console.

Edit: as a side note, Horizon FW plays at 150fps with DLSS with all the highest settings on. That's not on a 4090, either. A console couldn't touch that

@TrickyDicky99 I mean, you don't need a super computer unless you want 2,000+ mods on Skyrim. I could easily build a PC for like $600 that can play 99% of thr games out there. Most games cater to console hardware, so you don't need crazy specs to play games...sooooo, yes

@TrickyDicky99 there are roughly 1.8 billion PC players...considerably more than the PS, MS, and Nintendo player bases combined. And with fewer people purchasing consoles it is most certainly "worth their time" to cater to PC players. They need us lol

If I were Valve, I wouldn't want to open the game up for sale unless Sony offered assurances via a written contract. Clearly, Sony is wanting to force their agenda on PC and can't be trusted down the line without a contract

"While it has significantly improved its PS Plus offerings"... I'm not sure this is true. They may have improved some of the content offered, but they still raised their price point. $80 for an annual subscription for the base PSN is flat out insulting. Especially considering that they only offer mediocre-at-best games at that tier. I bought one more online subscription so I can invade/co-op when the Elden Ring DLC drops. I'll continue to buy some of their select games on PC, provided they don't try and charge PC users a PS Plus subscription to play their online games

@truerbluer have you read the comments? There are so many fanboys who are pretty bent out of shape by this decision. I don't think they have the stones to pick a fight with Sony over anti consumer practices. I'm with you, though. The $80/year base PSN and $70 games got me to build my PC pretty fast

@Vault_Mcfly I have an upper end mid PC that I built for under $2k. You could easily build a decent one in the $1k range that would play just about anything. Games may have more capabilities on PC, but they're mostly designed for console hardware so you don't need a super computer to play 99% of the games out there. Not to mention, an $80 annual subscription for the base PSN is exorbitant at best. Honestly, I bet bang for buck the two price points end up being similar

@DonkeyFantasy I'm just pointing out that they aren't the "vocal minority". Sony blinked because it's become more and more evident that consoles are less popular and more people are purchasing PCs. In layman's terms, they need us. More importantly, they need Valve, and forcing them to give out refunds doesn't do much for their business relationship. Selling a game in territories that aren't on the PSN network also wreaks of class action lawsuit. Point being there's plenty of blame to go around and Sony should have been able to predict this PR nightmare

@zhoont too true. Mostly console fanboy and executive tears today, though

@DonkeyFantasy no to be that guy...but the almighty Google says that that are considerably more PC players than console players. Like, even PS, Xbox and the Big N combined they don't even hold a candle to PC player numbers world wide...