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It definitely looks prettier...too bad I'm done with this game. I'm still cool with playing 8 and 16 bit graphics...so a face lift of a game that was already considered gorgeous 7 years ago feels like beating a dead horse. But I'm stoked for all the gamers out there looking forward to replaying this game

Had this been Bloodborne, I would have been very excited....alas....

@CrashBandicoat yeah, I didn't build my rig to hit the $1000 mark. I built it to hit the 3k mods in skyrim mark. But I did build a wonderfully competent pc for someone at around $1200 after tax with 4TB of storage. The CPU and GPU aren't top of the line, but with all the other components I used they're easily replaceable for future upgrades. That machine easily has more value that the PS5 Pro imo. But, I'm also a bit more technically inclined than the average plug n play gamer. So, if you think that the Pro and whatever PS Plus package you have is worth it - more power to you. I'm genuinely happy for you. My point was more that your Steam library transcends hardware and will be just as good 20 years from now as it is now, regardless of what machine you operate it on.

Edit: also, the PS4 Pro is very much still relevant. Almost all "next gen" games have been dumbed down so that they can be played on the PS4. Which pretty much renders the PS5 gen as obsolete. For the record, I own and love my PS5 but wish I had saved my money. The lack of games and Sony pulling some seriously shady moves made me jump to pc

@LogicStrikesAgain except the PS5 Pro will be irrelevant in 2-3 years. It's only super power is that it plays PS4 games. Unless you're really into Demon's Souls....s PC still has the utility of being a computer, and your Steam account will always be available to you so long as you have a computer. So even if your hardware becomes outdated, you still have access to your full library. $700 +$80 + $30 + tax and then PS Plus minimum of $80.... you can definitely build a PC that's not a potato for a similar price. Just sayin.

Edit: also, the 4070 comparison is laughable. While I love AMD, their tech just isn't on the same page as Nvidia. I have the 4070ti and it dusts my PS5. The PS5 Pro isn't that big an improvement over the PS5

People shouldn't be upset that Sony is attempting to tap into a broader market. That's good capital that can be used for developing more games. People should be upset that Sony ISN'T making new games and is just churning out remasters that no one cares about while simultaneously laying off half of their staff. It really seems as though they've lost their way. Overpriced consoles with no new games and forced PSN for pc just leads me to believe that Sony has no clue what they're doing

@Stickleman be like me and just don't buy them. I'm pretty happy that I bought a PC. After all of Sony's shenanigans, I'm ready to leave them behind. They can revisit the golden days of the PS4 all they want, but I'm ready for some new titles. Price gouging consumers for games they've already played is about all they're good for these days. Plus, if PSN or your internet is down you can't play their single player games. Not worth the money imo

@Mikey856 ok, it's just a strange thing to hate on so I was just clarifying

@Mikey856 you dislike pc players because of mods?

BS like that is why implementing a PSN login for single player games is getting push back from the PC crowd

@xxdavidxcx87 I mean, a gaming computer still has the utility of a regular computer. You can do far more with a computer than you ever could with a PS5 Pro. Not to mention, even when you eventually need a new PC you will have your library intact. How many games from the PS5 era are going to be relevant 2 to 3 generations from now? Not to mention the best thing about my PS5 is my PS4 game library?

@GreatAuk you make some valid arguments, and people will go with what works best to suit their needs. I still this the 4070s is an extremely generous comparison. Sounds like someone had a shill pill

Also, my brother keeps his pc hooked up to his TV and has bt peripherals

@GreatAuk that's dreaming big. AMD doesn't have as good of ray tracing and the upscaling isn't as good as nvidia. I have the 4070ti and that makes the PS5 look like it's from the dark ages. If you want a disc drive and stand, you're already sitting at $900ish after tax. Plus, you can't mod games quite the same way or have the utility of a real computer. At the end of the day though, people who aren't as technically inclined will go for the over priced plug n play. That's a personal decision.

Edit: plus you have to pay annually to play online which is minimum of $80. While steam regularly gives away games and has sales and the PS5 Pro has a limited library that actually can push its limits

@GreatAuk you can get a 4060 for $300... it's no 4090, but that's a good card. I just built a computer for under $1200 after tax that will outshine the PS5 Pro for years to come.

I warmed up to buying a 4k gaming monitor with 160hz refresh rate and a 1ms response time instead!

@Ultima893 to be fair, my Skyrim has 2k + mods and is not the same game one can play on their Playstation

This reminds me of Skyrim. Legendary edition...or was that the special edition?... maybe it was the anniversary edition... of course, as good as tlou is, it's no Skyrim

@JohntheRaptor honestly, looking at both steam forums and playstation forums there's one thing in common: complaints. Although, steam complaints regarding Sony has a legitimate stance regarding both access and privacy. There's no reason for a single player game to require you to be online so that they can harvest data for a game you're borrowing. How good do you feel about your purchase when the PSN is down and you can't play the game? What kind of information are they collecting that they'd rather have fewer worldwide sales then not have you part of their ecosystem? Whereas all the complaints I see here are a) people upset that other gamers outside of the ps ecosystem have access to titles they themselves love, and b) they're upset that pc players are largely saying they don't want to follow the same rules.

At the end of the day, the bad reviews are a small portion of the total sales. I'm sure that the more concerning number for Sony is the drop in sales from people like me who outright refused to give them money

@VicerExciser a voice of reason.

Honestly, if the PSN account didn't restrict gamers from playing the game in so many countries/regions this would probably have been a non issue from day one. It's why I'm refusing to give Sony any more dough. I canceled my PS Plus and have exclusively been adding to my Steam account. Between all this uproar and the PS5 Pro cost being so prohibitive, I see Sony in a very different light than I did when I bought my PS5. Don't get me wrong, I love my PS5...but it's still night and day compared to my gaming rig. Plus, you can add mods. Which is fantastic for the likes of Skyrim or avoiding PSN linking lol

@Frmknst tell that to all the people who are unable to create a PSN account.

This "article" is so salty lol. It's being reviewed. Just because it's not the review you want doesn't mean it's being bombed. Personally, I'm not getting any Sony games on pc because of the PSN requirement, but that's a personal choice. I also hear there are technical issues, so it's not all the PSN

The amount of excitement and goodwill with steam players was totally botched by Sony's PSN requirement. Hard to start over once that sour taste is there. I was generally excited to play playstation games on my fancy new pc, but I've refused to purchase anything Sony related. I just think blocking out so many countries/regions/gamers is wrong, and I am voting with my wallet. Although, after the PS5 Pro pricetag I'm more inclined just to leave Sony in the dust

@Golem25 Nintendo's been around since the 1800's. They aren't strapped for cash. They're more concerned about sending a message. And regardless of how they attained the IP, litigation is how they roll. I saw this coming since the day this game released

This angle would be more believable if the industry hadn't experienced massive layoffs over the past few years. Too bad all that talent that was let go couldn't help facilitate and nurture the next gen of devs. Sony and Microsoft having a monopoly on gaming isn't doing gamers any favors. This just comes off as a spin story to try and pick up slack after some disastrous decision making in the board room

@naruball Toyota vehicles are expensive, but they'll almost always get you 200,000+ miles of those engines. So they're worth the money. I'm saying that the PS5 Pro is not worth the money. That's like buying a Ford Ranger for the price of a Toyota Tundra (radio not included). Also, I don't know if you read the message I was responding to but that message was more for him

@Pranwell if you want to waste your money on a subpar pc when you could throw in a little more and have a respectable starter pc, go for it. Joking about people strapped for cash and rightfully laughing at Sony's folly is kinda pond scum, tho.

PS5 Pro: $700 + tax
PS5 Pro Disk Drive: $80 + tax
Base PSN: $80/year + tax
Telling Sony to F**k Off: priceless

If they had the game catalog that the PS4 had it would at least their greed would make sense. My favorite PS5 games are mostly PS4 games though. Go back to the drawing board, Sony. You're dropping the ball

This launch is laughable. What is sony doing lol smh

@ZeroSum the fact that Sony had a good hard look at this studio and game and still bought them isn't a good look either. I'm not sure anyone could say Sony isn't responsible for this debacle in any capacity. They also pushed for the $40 price point when there was clearly little to no interest in the game. All of these decisions scream out of touch board members in charge of something beyond their understanding

This wouldn't suprise me at all. It's also a good example of to industry titans who have a monopoly on gaming having a pissing match. No one wins in this scenario, unfortunately

@PloverNutter they most certainly would have a say in the price point and psn requirement. That's just silly to say otherwise. Gameplay, I'm sure you're mostly right

The only people who seem to be genuinely shocked by this are the Sony suits and the people who run this blog. This would be a totally different story if the game were F2P. A $40 price tag coupled with PSN requirement was never going to move the needle on Steam. I feel bad for the devs who are probably going to take the brunt of upper management's poor decision making

@ShogunRok $40 and a PSN requirement will detract a lot of Steam players. Brace for the expected

Shadow of the Erdtree. It's not even really close. Not only is it the same size and scope of most other developers' games, but it already out performed every game on this list in just 3 days. Except for HD2 which sold 12M units. Although, Sony put a sour taste in pc gamers' memories with the whole PSN requirement. And that is a big deal come voting day since 60% of all HD2 sales were on Steam alone.

@CrashBandicoat I think you'd be surprised. There were six confirmed endings after the first week, if I recall correctly. Fromsoftware NPCs follow a similar pattern in each of their games - exhaust all dialogue, and check in from time to time before you beat a boss

@Rmg0731 if you read any of them, you'll see that it's mostly due to performance. I'll admit, I was dipping into 45fps territory from time to time after the pre-dlc launch patch. Quite jarring going from 60fps. The latest patch seems to have smoothed things over though.

Edit: Also, the HD2 complaint was legitimate. They sold that game in countries/regions that they don't support and then told them they weren't going to have access to the game anymore

@Kanji-Tatsumi Dark Souls was still just a cult classic when it was reviewed. The blog says that it was only rated by 7 people

@PuppetMaster @Slayer25c

A story about another Sony leak...weird that so many PC players have resisted giving Sony access to their info

DOOM looks super fun

My best guess is that Sony needs Fromsoftware for something in order to make this happen. They may own the IP, but if they don't have the tools to run the engine then it's like owning keys without the vehicle that goes with it. I bet Sony is really kicking themselves for not purchasing From when they had the opportunity lmao

@ChrisDeku There are 6 confirmed endings, but you only need three for the platinum trophy

@Shinnok789 it will all be on the cloud, eventually. Microsoft has begin saying it for a while, and they must be making some headway. I'm sure that's why Sony is pooping their pampers over the PSN login. They want a launcher of their own. 10-15 years from now we'll probably have to subscribe to Game Pass or Playstation Studios launcher directly from our TV. No external box necessary unless you want a swanky AI PC

@Gabrielmpf don't stress it man. Microsoft looks like it's throwing in the towel, but they're not. They didn't give up on the "console wars" perse. They threw down the gauntlet by purchasing the biggest game companies with the largest active user base. They're just preparing for everything to be on the cloud. They may have lost to Sony in terms of the number of console sales, but they're still determined to win the war.

I should add that I don't think Sony and Microsoft being the only ones in charge of game development is a good thing. I think it's bad for gaming as a whole. I'm merely stating what I'm witnessing the giants do

@Mustoe I agree. Beating customers with a stick instead of enticing them with a carrot is not a great way to grow consumer faith

@Mustoe Very possible. I'm sure it's why Sony is making such a stink about PSN. They want their own launcher for when that day arrives. They just need to make it more readily available to those 180 territories...and maybe stop beating their customers with a stick

@Mustoe Xbox is going to the cloud. Soon, phones will be able to play these games. The mobile market is already astronomical. They just see the writing on the wall. Sony is just late to the party with their PC ports. They're coming to the realization that, in an already saturated market, broadening your net is the only way to attain growth

Gamers getting to play games! Amazing. With the lines between consoles and PC blurring, so are the days of games being system specific. The only issue for the foreseeable future is that only a few companies own all of the game developers. Which isn't great imo

@Alps_Stranger Owning both myself, I fail to see how a PC needs more "constant" attention than a 5-8 year window

@Alps_Stranger "We have consoles BECAUSE they're not PCs and we don't want to update them constantly."

...except every 5-8 years lol? (Less than that if you double dip and get slim or pro models)