Got over 20 hrs logged on PS5 and I'm loving it. Very addictive gameplay. The more I push through the game, the more gameplay elements I discover. Restaurant management sim, fish collecting, mini games, RPG style quests, sea horse racing... the list goes on.
Shame it doesn't include the DLC. I've put well over 130 hrs into the xbox one version with all the DLC. Not sure I wanna double dip again on next gen.
@Member_the_game I think the main issue stems from the fact that the servers can (and potentially) will get shut down. Now, for an online multiplayer game, that's fine and understandable, but for a game with a single player mode - which requires the use of being online - that is completely unacceptable. Once the servers go offline, you lose complete access to the game.
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"In fairness I very much doubt that in 10 years time I'll still be wanting to play TopSpin 2K25, I'll probably be playing whatever the latest version is, so again I just don't see it as that big of a deal".
But if this becomes the norm and it's a game that you do want to revisit in the future... tough luck. It's a very slippery slope in my opinion.
@PixelDragon like you said "Rare". Meaning could happen, but unlikely. No physical media is infinite. Everything has a life span. Books, discs, cassettes. All forms of consumable media in physical forms.
@MrList The only way it will happen is if governments can put in place a piece of legislation that forces company's to provide refunds if they lose access to their purchased content. Until then, I can't see them changing there ways.
@FuzzieGinge88 Even nowadays, 90% of physical video games aren't on the disc. You're effectively buying a physical disc to verify you own the game and only a small fraction of the game is on the disc. The rest of the game is done via online downloads and updates. If the devopler of said game goes under, so does your physical game. Effectively making it a £70 paper weight.
@Flaming_Kaiser That's true. There is something special about going and checking out 2nd hand stores for hidden treasures. I do hope brick & mortar stores never disappear.
Unfortunately, even with physical media (video games I'm looking at you) you'll eventually lose access to them. Disc rot does exist. It may not happen today, tommorrow or 10 years down the line but it will happen.
Also with the latest games, most aren't shipped on the disc. The disc is just a licence to play the game. If the devopler goes away, so does the access to the patches, updates and fixes for your physical games.
Imagine in a few years if CD project red went bust and you just bought a second hand copy of Cyberpunk 2077. You pop the disc in, install and you're basically left with the vanilla, broken, unstable mess that was CP2077 at launch.
Wether buying physical or digital, there is ALWAYS a caveat.
I'm curious to know. They only released this for next-gen consoles, did they really need to? I mean, from what I can tell, this game isn't exactly a AAA, powerhouse, keep the console cool or it will overheat looker of a game. Do you think this would have peformed okay(ish) on last gen consoles or did they make the right choice?
@DonJorginho Exactly. Time and resources can 1000% put into making the next-gen by scraping last gen. Not only that, the more exclusives they bring out on next-gen, the more inclined I'll be to drop the wedge on the pricey hardware.
Gaming should always be about choice. Players should be able to play their games the way "They" want. Restricting the single player mode, is a bad idea. If I want to play couch co-op, single player (with bots), why shouldn't you get the same benefits in terms of player progression as you do playing online. Having everything tied to online, feels like you've got a constant time limit on everything you do in game. I really hate this model with a passion. Gaming was (and still should be about choice) but that is slowly being taken away by everything being an "online service".
@Hippy_Pirate_89 I'm debating whether to pick this up, considering I too own the original trilogy. Is the inclusion of 1080p, 60fps and trophy support enough for me, I don't know.
@JJ2 I'll admit, I did buy the game again on 8th gen systems. But thankfully, I never spent a penny on any of their online "Sharkcards" and will not be buying the game again on 9th gen.
@Boxmonkey Have to agree. The fact they are releasing the game across THREE generations of consoles, really shows they're milking this cash cow for all it's worth.
After completing GTA V several times. Playing the online for close to 300 hrs. No amount of upgrades, graphical enhancements, higher frame rates could make me play this again. Let alone paying 500 quid plus another £70 for this version, which I've already bought twice on 7th and 8th gen consoles.
Guarantee, and I do mean "GUARANTEE" no microtransactions, loot boxes and stuff that should be in the game in the first place and I could stomach it. But if you're gonna charge 70 plus quid, plus loot boxes and Micro trans.... Then forget it.
Edit: As others have mentioned, I do think that this is a strange time to mention this, considering that Gamepass is KILLING it at the moment. For £10.99 a month you get: GWG (which includes 4 games each month), a huge library of Gamepass titles (which includes Xbox one launch games) and now, to top it off; you get access to EA Play.
C'mon, guys. Sitting behind a keyboard, threatening people is 1) not cool and 2) it's ILLEGAL! With everything going on in the world at the moment, don't you think there are more important things to be concerned about. If you don't like it, fine - "don't buy it" but don't go around making stupid and I'll say it again "ILLEGAL" threats to peoples lives, that let's be honest, are completely hollow anyway. If you don't like the product, speak with your wallet, not your words.
@MS7000 Keep dreaming my friend. Microsoft have already confirmed, they are not stopping "Gold" subscriptions. Besides, it's making them to much money.
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Re: TopSpin 2K25 Is Being Slaughtered for Its Always Online Requirement, Even When Playing Solo
@Member_the_game Thanks for the constructive response. Nice to have an actual civilised back and forth for a change.
Re: Dave the Diver (PS5) - PS Plus Gains an Inventive, Satisfying Adventure Overflowing with Ideas
Got over 20 hrs logged on PS5 and I'm loving it. Very addictive gameplay. The more I push through the game, the more gameplay elements I discover. Restaurant management sim, fish collecting, mini games, RPG style quests, sea horse racing... the list goes on.
Re: Fallout 4 PS5 Now Available for PS Plus Collection Owners
Shame it doesn't include the DLC. I've put well over 130 hrs into the xbox one version with all the DLC. Not sure I wanna double dip again on next gen.
Re: TopSpin 2K25 Is Being Slaughtered for Its Always Online Requirement, Even When Playing Solo
@Member_the_game I think the main issue stems from the fact that the servers can (and potentially) will get shut down. Now, for an online multiplayer game, that's fine and understandable, but for a game with a single player mode - which requires the use of being online - that is completely unacceptable. Once the servers go offline, you lose complete access to the game.
QUOTE
"In fairness I very much doubt that in 10 years time I'll still be wanting to play TopSpin 2K25, I'll probably be playing whatever the latest version is, so again I just don't see it as that big of a deal".
But if this becomes the norm and it's a game that you do want to revisit in the future... tough luck. It's a very slippery slope in my opinion.
Re: PlayStation Users Set to Lose Hundreds of TV Shows They Paid For
@PixelDragon Who's siding with digital media? Most of the users here are fully against a 'Full digital future', myself included.
Re: PlayStation Users Set to Lose Hundreds of TV Shows They Paid For
@PixelDragon like you said "Rare". Meaning could happen, but unlikely. No physical media is infinite. Everything has a life span. Books, discs, cassettes. All forms of consumable media in physical forms.
Re: PlayStation Users Set to Lose Hundreds of TV Shows They Paid For
@MrList The only way it will happen is if governments can put in place a piece of legislation that forces company's to provide refunds if they lose access to their purchased content. Until then, I can't see them changing there ways.
Re: PlayStation Users Set to Lose Hundreds of TV Shows They Paid For
@FuzzieGinge88 Even nowadays, 90% of physical video games aren't on the disc. You're effectively buying a physical disc to verify you own the game and only a small fraction of the game is on the disc. The rest of the game is done via online downloads and updates. If the devopler of said game goes under, so does your physical game. Effectively making it a £70 paper weight.
Re: PlayStation Users Set to Lose Hundreds of TV Shows They Paid For
@JokerBoy422 Sales figures say otherwise. Digital sales are on the rise, while physical is dropping significantly.
Re: PlayStation Users Set to Lose Hundreds of TV Shows They Paid For
@Flaming_Kaiser That's true. There is something special about going and checking out 2nd hand stores for hidden treasures. I do hope brick & mortar stores never disappear.
Re: PlayStation Users Set to Lose Hundreds of TV Shows They Paid For
@Illyrian Untill they bring in a law/legislation to prevent companies from doing it... Nothing.
Re: PlayStation Users Set to Lose Hundreds of TV Shows They Paid For
Unfortunately, even with physical media (video games I'm looking at you) you'll eventually lose access to them. Disc rot does exist. It may not happen today, tommorrow or 10 years down the line but it will happen.
Also with the latest games, most aren't shipped on the disc. The disc is just a licence to play the game. If the devopler goes away, so does the access to the patches, updates and fixes for your physical games.
Imagine in a few years if CD project red went bust and you just bought a second hand copy of Cyberpunk 2077. You pop the disc in, install and you're basically left with the vanilla, broken, unstable mess that was CP2077 at launch.
Wether buying physical or digital, there is ALWAYS a caveat.
Re: Dude! Bill & Ted's Excellent Retro Collection Is Out on PS5, PS4 Now
@KidBoruto Huh... very strange.
Re: Dude! Bill & Ted's Excellent Retro Collection Is Out on PS5, PS4 Now
I'm on the PSN app and this is saying it's only playable on PS5. Can we confirm this is definitely on PS4 as well?
Re: Destroy All Humans! 2: Reprobed (PS5) - We're Just Remaking Anything Now
@johncalmc Thanks. That would have been my first thought.
Re: Destroy All Humans! 2: Reprobed (PS5) - We're Just Remaking Anything Now
I'm curious to know. They only released this for next-gen consoles, did they really need to? I mean, from what I can tell, this game isn't exactly a AAA, powerhouse, keep the console cool or it will overheat looker of a game. Do you think this would have peformed okay(ish) on last gen consoles or did they make the right choice?
Re: PS Plus May 2022 PS5, PS4 Games Announced
Don't own ANY of these so adding them to my backlog is always nice.
Re: Rumour: New Need for Speed Is Current-Gen Only, Leaving PS4 in the Dust
@RubyCarbuncle I'll get there eventually my friend. Thankyou for the condolences for us Last gen peasants. 😁
Re: Rumour: New Need for Speed Is Current-Gen Only, Leaving PS4 in the Dust
@__jamiie Especially with the Unreal engine 5 looming on the horizon.
Re: Rumour: New Need for Speed Is Current-Gen Only, Leaving PS4 in the Dust
@DonJorginho Exactly. Time and resources can 1000% put into making the next-gen by scraping last gen. Not only that, the more exclusives they bring out on next-gen, the more inclined I'll be to drop the wedge on the pricey hardware.
Re: Mini Review: Beyond a Steel Sky (PS5) - Classic Adventure Game Sequel Is Held Back by 3D Design
@Rob_230 "Would have been nice if they had packaged in the original game"
Now that for me would have been a game changer. If they added it as an unlockable or easter egg. Please send this to the developer. 😁
Re: Review: Back 4 Blood (PS5) - Raising a Co-Op Classic from the Dead
Gaming should always be about choice. Players should be able to play their games the way "They" want. Restricting the single player mode, is a bad idea. If I want to play couch co-op, single player (with bots), why shouldn't you get the same benefits in terms of player progression as you do playing online. Having everything tied to online, feels like you've got a constant time limit on everything you do in game. I really hate this model with a passion. Gaming was (and still should be about choice) but that is slowly being taken away by everything being an "online service".
Re: Onimusha: Warlords - A Welcome Remaster That Doesn't Get It All Right
@Hippy_Pirate_89 I'm debating whether to pick this up, considering I too own the original trilogy. Is the inclusion of 1080p, 60fps and trophy support enough for me, I don't know.
Re: Ninja Gaiden: Master Collection (PS4) - Cut-Throat Action, Old-School Design
@Waffles12415 Different reviewer. Different genre of game. But most of all... Different opinions.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Miles Morales Is Hanging In There While FIFA 21 Scores Another Win
@Total_Weirdo That's cool. Dont feel like I'm missing out much, buying it on my Cough (Slight embarrassment), base PS4.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Miles Morales Is Hanging In There While FIFA 21 Scores Another Win
@Total_Weirdo Is there a BIG graphical difference between 'Spider-man: MM' on PS4 and PS5?
Re: UK Sales Charts: Miles Morales Is Hanging In There While FIFA 21 Scores Another Win
Christ! Are people really still buying Fifa?! Really?? No disrespect to any footie fans out there, btw.
Re: Prince of Persia Remake Skips Ubisoft Forward, Out Next Year
"Apologies, we need extra time for microtransactions, loot boxes, Pay 2 win exclusives and so much more. Thank you for your patience".
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Has Already Outsold The Last of Us 2, Ghost of Tsushima in the US
Now if they could put this kind of love and commitment into a 'Superman' game, I'll be 'appy.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Has Already Outsold The Last of Us 2, Ghost of Tsushima in the US
@fR_eeBritney I'll be honest, I don't have time. But I sure as hell try. 😉
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Has Already Outsold The Last of Us 2, Ghost of Tsushima in the US
@DISC0KINGZ I'm waiting on a HEAVY discount on this one. Half the length, for same price... No thanks.
Re: Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Has Already Outsold The Last of Us 2, Ghost of Tsushima in the US
@Voltan Have you played the game yourself? If so, what platform?
Re: Why GTA 5 on PS5 Will Be More Than Just a 'Simple Port'
@JJ2 I'll admit, I did buy the game again on 8th gen systems. But thankfully, I never spent a penny on any of their online "Sharkcards" and will not be buying the game again on 9th gen.
Re: Why GTA 5 on PS5 Will Be More Than Just a 'Simple Port'
@Boxmonkey Have to agree. The fact they are releasing the game across THREE generations of consoles, really shows they're milking this cash cow for all it's worth.
Re: Why GTA 5 on PS5 Will Be More Than Just a 'Simple Port'
After completing GTA V several times. Playing the online for close to 300 hrs. No amount of upgrades, graphical enhancements, higher frame rates could make me play this again. Let alone paying 500 quid plus another £70 for this version, which I've already bought twice on 7th and 8th gen consoles.
Re: No Man's Sky (PS5) - Divisive Survival Game Plays Best with This Next-Gen Upgrade
@beerhonky "Fictional masturbatory achievement system" never thought I'd see those 4 words in the same sentence.
Re: No Man's Sky (PS5) - Divisive Survival Game Plays Best with This Next-Gen Upgrade
@Elodin I hated the argument "Scalpers" made about they're not doing anything wrong. Legally, no they're not. Morally, Hell yes they are.
Re: No Man's Sky (PS5) - Divisive Survival Game Plays Best with This Next-Gen Upgrade
@NoxAeturnus Yeah, that's got me confused. So is it really worth upgrading to the next gen version or not?
Re: CD Projekt Red Apologises for Hiding Cyberpunk 2077 on Base PS4, Makes Refunds Widely Available
@RogerRoger Well said.
Re: Cyberpunk 2077 PlayStation Preload Begins 8th December
@JapaneseSonic Yeah, I second that. I'm actually more excited about seeing the reviews at this stage.
Re: Sony Considered Raising PS5 Game Prices Beyond $70, Says New Report
Guarantee, and I do mean "GUARANTEE" no microtransactions, loot boxes and stuff that should be in the game in the first place and I could stomach it. But if you're gonna charge 70 plus quid, plus loot boxes and Micro trans.... Then forget it.
Edit: As others have mentioned, I do think that this is a strange time to mention this, considering that Gamepass is KILLING it at the moment. For £10.99 a month you get: GWG (which includes 4 games each month), a huge library of Gamepass titles (which includes Xbox one launch games) and now, to top it off; you get access to EA Play.
Re: Spider-Man Creative Director Calls for Respect as PS5 Remaster Criticism Crosses the Line
C'mon, guys. Sitting behind a keyboard, threatening people is 1) not cool and 2) it's ILLEGAL! With everything going on in the world at the moment, don't you think there are more important things to be concerned about. If you don't like it, fine - "don't buy it" but don't go around making stupid and I'll say it again "ILLEGAL" threats to peoples lives, that let's be honest, are completely hollow anyway. If you don't like the product, speak with your wallet, not your words.
Re: PS Plus Temporarily Discounted in Europe
@MS7000 Keep dreaming my friend. Microsoft have already confirmed, they are not stopping "Gold" subscriptions. Besides, it's making them to much money.