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@AverageGamer In this case it is an investment that Microsoft does not like to make, they prefer to work with their own IP's, and that was what Phil Spencer was talking about when he mentioned bringing old IP's back, he wasn't referring to third-party IP's, but to Activision-Blizzard's IP's.

Re-licensing a game to just put it in backward compatibility is cheap and easy, porting it to new generations is expensive and takes time, all of this being invested in the IP of other companies and that would have to be multiplat, when these Studios could bê used to created Xbox owned IP that can be exclusives.

@Robocod There are a lot of Bethesda games going into PS Premium, i dont think they would do dev work for these titles, but If they already paid license to Hasbro and release the games through backwards compatibility, If Sony paid for It, cause nothing is free especially for your competitor's streaming service), i think they would license the game to PS Premium, Sony would Just need to pay for It, like they do with any other game on the service.

@AverageGamer Microsoft needs only licenses and publisher agreedment to put It on Xbox back compat, or do u think they would spend time making a new port of these games? Microsoft is not Sony they usually do a remaster after 10 years but even that IS only for their big games.

@Robocod To make these games available on Xbox there would be almost no work, back compat update, they would need to port everything to PlayStation 4/5.

@GymratAmarillo But Sony said that the games was only possible thanks to the PS5 SSD, so... yeah it is a lie.

@XenonKnight So u will keep giving Microsoft money through Playstation.

@XenonKnight Sony also uses Azure Cloud, by using Playstation u r giving Microsoft money, better sell and buy a Switch...

@TheCollector316 The OG deal had parity, and Sony still refused, in lecked e-mails from the court we saw that Jim Ryan tried to get a deal for EVERY ABK AND Bethesda game and Microsoft refused, after that they wanted the deal to fail, Sony did not get want they wanted, and now they probably just think is better to have it on paper.

@number1024 "Hey Microsoft, now that you also have the us and Canada on your backs and if they deny your acquisition, will you also threaten those countries with not investing in the country or providing services?"

The problem with your statement is not investments, cuz that was said about the UK, but rather "providing services" that I don't remember hearing even once being said by Microsoft, I remember seeing third parties debating the matter.

@number1024 "Hey Microsoft, now that you also have the us and Canada on your backs and if they deny your acquisition, will you also threaten those countries with not investing in the country or providing services?"

They dont have Canada on their backs cause Canada failed to do their job. Unlike the EU that forced Microsoft to make deals with a Nintendo, and a huge numbers of cloud gaming providers.

Edit: BTW Microsoft never threatened to withdraw their services from any country, the plan is to pull ABK out of the UK and move it to the EU and sell ABK games through a third party like some japonese companhias do some times. They sell their games on Japan/Ásia and licenses It to Sony/Nintendo/Square/Bandai to sell It in the rest of the world

@number1024 Canada did not block the deal, It can Go through there, they would like to block It but they waited too longa and Lost the time windows to do so, every country has it's way of doing It.

@NomNom Sure but Sony paying stores to put their consoles on the front of the store and yours in the back did not help...

Sony always wanted to be alone in the market and has always happy to do anything on their power to get there. You will get enemys by doing it.

IF they got what they wanted and Microsoft had closed Xbox on 2014 ( as they almost did it) do u think Microsoft would hold no grudge for Sony? No, u would harm them in any opportunity u get.

@NomNom Sony crushed their console business, Microsoft help them when in failed.

@Bez87 Well it leaked before the acquision, it leaked during the acquisition, it leaked after the acquisition, it was said in court now.

Bethesda was desperate for money, and we did have leaks that Sony was spending a lot of money in exclusives, full or not, also BGS games were exclusives in the past.

As i have already said, to someone else here:

"Yeah, you are right, Microsoft could outbid Sony If they wanted, even If It means they would have to pay 3X more, they have the money, even If it's not profitable for them.

Of course PlayStation users would do the same that they did crying and cursing, forcing Microsoft to reveal when the exclusivity Will end, like they did for Rise of the Tomb Raider, and never did with Sony.

But Microsoft is smarter them that, that is how they become a giant, they dont do bad investiments, why pay for financial loss, when you can buy the publisher and have ALL the profit from It, It is more expensive, but it is not just money spent, it also becomes an investment.

And again, remember, while paying for exclusivity will cost Xbox, buying the publisher will generate profit."

@MayaMousavi Yeah, you are right, Microsoft could outbid Sony If they wanted, even If It means they would have to pay 3X more, they have the money, even If it's not profitable for them.

Of course PlayStation users would do the same that they did crying and cursing, forcing Microsoft to reveal when the exclusivity Will end, like they did for Rise of the Tomb Raider, and never did with Sony.

But Microsoft is smarter them that, that is how they become a giant, they dont do bad investiments, why pay for financial loss, when you can buy the publisher and have ALL the profit from It, It is more expensive, but it is not just money spent, it also becomes an investment.

And again, remember, while paying for exclusivity will cost Xbox, buying the publisher will generate profit.

@thefourfoldroot1 no the argument no and if CoD pink or n on Switch it was probably made by Sony was that Nintendo is not part of the same market, not about CoD, but market, according to SONY Nintendo is not part of the same market.

US senators acting according to their regulatory body makes sense, as I said it is up to the JFTC to know if it interests them or not.

@thefourfoldroot1 The market definition is not changeable according to Sony's will, this is the existing market and in which Sony and Microsoft find themselves by the FTC/CMA/EU this will be the definition used in the future, sony has created something and will have to deal with it. This is not the case for Brazil which includes PC and Switch in the market, but it is logical for US politicians to use their regulatory body's definition of the market.where is the Japan to follow what was said or not, and follow the definition used by the JFTC, which recently approved the purchase.

@thefourfoldroot1 Well "high-end consoles" that IS a definition created by Sony, só It is a maleta created by Sony definition, maybe they should not have created...

@wiiware They are using the definition that Sony proposed to the FatC/CMA/EU, ir didu forget that Sony Said that Nintendo is not on the same market as Xbox and PlayStation, ALL what Sony Said to regulators.

@get2sammyb The catalog will become exclusive, but we will not act as if they use this catalog, the only IP's they use on consoles are Overwatch, Diabo, Crash, Spyro and CoD, the rest are either exclusive to PC or has been dormant for decades.

Te only exception to the rule being Tony Hawk, but the FOOT has been dormant since the Acquisition forced the Studio to merger with Blizzard.

Sony did say that Microsoft Will have a monopoly on shooters If they buy Activision (for from the truth)

@theMEGAniggle Still what Microsoft does, and It probably makes it easier to manage It all.

@theMEGAniggle Noop Bethesda and Xbox are treated as an independent publisher, the same as 2021. If the acquision goes through Activision Will also be a independent publisher.

@Jaz007 A hostile acquisition is only valid if the company did not want to be bought, and this does not happen with private equity companies, Bethesda was one, the largest private equity publisher in fact. They wanted to be bought, do the acquisition was not hostile.

And the same goes for Activision, shareholders voted to sell the company without Microsoft buying enough to force the sale, aka without using a hostile takeover..

@naruball I bet you didn't complain when Sony was paying Square/Capcom to Lock IP's to PS4/5...

@KaijuKaiser nothing to do with Microsoft, Private Division IS the publishers and they hired a third-party to do the work, the last cash grab they can do since they only owns rights for the First game.

@ATaco It is Impossible to know If u r being serious or not in a Push Square post criticizing Microsoft, the craziest theories about Microsoft hurting the poor and innocent Sony are common on this site. And the articles themselves contain false or ambiguous information as long as It paints Microsoft in a bad light, Even if this information contradicts one previously posted on the site.

Such as the fact that Nintendo is or is not included in the console market, the exclusion was defended by the site when Sony argued that Nintendo has its own niche. But it was disingenuous of Microsoft to exclude them from the market when it generated a 70/30 split between Xbox and PlayStation. Remembering that this was the division defended by Sony/CMA/EU/FTC. Another fact is that including Nintendo would only benefit Microsoft since its percentage would be even smaller.

@Matroska But the remaster is not a Obsidian product.

@Bionic-Spencer this is not a Bethesda game, it is a Private Division decision and remaster, Obsidian did not work on It.

@ATaco Well great logic, considering that Obsidian didn't even work on the port/patch, Published by Private Division (as they own the publishing rights to the first game) and developed by a third-party, Microsoft has nothing to do with the product.

@Rob_230 even If Sony needed to leave the console market Microsoft would not allow, they would invest/make It easier, simples fact If Sony does (and since they have 7 to 3 ratio on Xbox that Will not happen any time soon) Microsoft is a monopoly, and in fact to avoid problems Microsoft saved apple in the 90's, they would do again.

@Americansamurai tbh Minecraft also dont have a Xbox Series version

@IndoorEnthusiast 1- Microsoft already sendo their future exclusives plans to regulators.

2 About Microsoft times exclusives how many of them as wall as How big are they?

@Beerheadgamer82 It is not Just about the size (and PS in fact has locked huge third-party IP's as PS exclusives) It is also about the amount of exclusive deals.

@Rob_230 Microsoft tried to include Nintendo on the negotiation, cause i dont know If u have that ability to perceive more including Nintendo, yes Sony market share is smaller but Microsoft maker share is even smaller than the 70/30 with out It, but the CMA/FTC/EU and many fanboys including editors of this site stated that Nintendo is not relevant, but now that they realize that without Nintendo Sony becomes practically a monopoly in the console market fanboys start acting as If Microsoft made the decision to not include Nintendo in the market.

@awp69 Minecraft Dungeons and ALL the other Bethesda games are a surprise, but not Ghostwire Tokyo and Deathloop Microsoft Will release them on XGP on usar after the PS5 release and Sony probably has a clause that has the right to put on a subscription service before other companies, similar to RE Village

@TheDudeElDuderino And in 2022 when It was released on Next-gen It had marketing exclusivity on Xbox together with the other 2. Also an embargo on announcement on every other plataform.

@TheDudeElDuderino im not i did give u a link about marketing exclusivity on all the games.

@TheDudeElDuderino Not only P5 but also P4G and P3P And everyone on this site including staff were lived about It:

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/06/xbox-appeared-to-embargo-ps5-ps4-versions-of-some-showcase-games

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/10/persona-fans-on-playstation-get-sold-short-again-as-xbox-deal-reveals-native-ports

@naruball It was when Microsoft did It with Rise of Tomb Raider, Dead Rising 4, Persona 5 and Yakuza Like a Dragon and u ALL acted as If Microsoft had r**** ur mom, funny how things are cool when Sony does and as evil as Hittler when Microsoft does the same...

@Nem CMA, EU and FTC argue that Nintendo is not part of the same market, stop being a fanboy and read information, this site itself only cares to mention it when it fits the narrative that it proposes otherwise they Will say that IS Just Microsoft being scummy

@uptownsoul Simples some AA/indies need money to get developed, with the timed exclusivity they would not bê releases. Unlike AAA...

As for Microsoft competing If they can get most games as exclusives they could and should, and as i Said the problem for Microsoft is time, not about the amount of Studios, they could compete with the Studios they have If Sony was not pushing Xbox out of the console market as fast as they can.
How long does Xbox have before losing enough market share to be unfeasible to be a platform holder? They have some games to release but How many? Most of the Studios acquired still had deals to finish before start working on anything for Xbox

Obsidian with The Outer Worlds +DLC, Compulsion with We Happy Few + DLC, Inxile with Wasteland+ DLC, DoubleFine with Psychonauts 2, id Software with Doom Eternal + DLC, Arkane with Deathloop, Tango with Ghostwire Tokyo, Zenimax Online only works on ESO, Roundhouse was created in 2019 by Bethesda, MachineGames still working on India Janes, AlphaDog only does mobile games... Games Take time.

And i have already Said Take Two Will not be a possible acquision after this, they are would bê to big for It, small Studios for Sure, but the only way they could buy Take Two is closing Bethesda/Activision and then the problem would be the shareholders, why pay 68,7 B and close the Studios?

@uptownsoul How many AAA games does Microsoft pays to be exclusive? And for How long? AA and índices are fair game but even them How many does Sony pays vs Microsoft pays? That the point.

And If Sony keeps pushing then out of the console market, yes they can, Microsoft still losing market to Sony, there is a point that IS no longer sustainable to be a console makers, Sony did manage tô finish Sega after some mistakes from them, and they still trying tô do the same with Microsoft.

Simples, size, If they keep the Studios, them cant buy more Studios, If they close the Studios they could do It, but at some point u have to ask, would de reasonable to say they would buy Activision and shut it down in 5 years?

@Porco It depends, who knows what will happen in 10 years? Minecraft has no deal and still a multiplat, 9 years after the acquision.

@uptownsoul Cause nobody does that, Sony keeps loyal fans with that but they also pay a lot of third-party to get most of the gamers with PS4/5. Microsoft no longer wants tô sair to get games and be profitable. Games need 5 years to be made, Studios bought in 2018 would bê ready to release games now If they did not had anything in development, but they had. Creating a New Studios takes time, and Microsoft dont have It, even with ALL the acquisions Sony still pushing then out of the market, what do u want to happen? Sony become the only console in the marke? ( by CMA/FTA/EU definition) If Sony is as anti-consumer as they are having a competitor imagine what they Will do with out one.

@JustPlainLoco If that was a timed exclusivity deal, Atlus would be sued and pay millions tô MS for doing It sonner than the deal was for....

@Torque They never bought Insomaniac / Platinum, and Rare right now is doing pretty good with SoT, still owned by them.

The only bit studio that they ever spon off es Bungie.

Qnd be Sony has closed the same amoubg of studio as Microsoft.

@WolfyTn They are not even close to have legal problems with the Bethesda acquision why would they make a 10 years deal for that? That are not even doing it for Act-Bliz only to CoD.

@Fiendish-Beaver If the deal is good enough to the FTC/EU/CMA Sony Will not have a choice.

@Neverwild Not for me, we also have to remember that de are talking about ~3 months vs 1 years of exclusivity on these games.

And size does matter in games, not to mention that in the CMA papers Microsoft said that Sony had ~290 exclusives/timed exclusives in 2021 and that this was ~5X more than Xbox had...