Prepare the Patrick Stewart “mild shock” reaction GIFs, because it turns out vampire FPS Redfall was very much in development for PS5 at one point. An IGN France interview with creative director Harvey Smith confirms that the title was in production at developer Arkane one year prior to Microsoft’s acquisition, and was originally targeting Sony’s new-gen console. That all changed pretty promptly, of course.
“We got bought out by Microsoft and it was a change with a capital C,” he revealed. “They came in and said, 'No PS5, we're focusing on Xbox, PC, and Game Pass'.” Smith added that he believes it’s “not a big deal” and is “actually a good decision”. He said: “[It helps] support Game Pass and have one less platform to worry about, one less complexity.”
Microsoft had said from the start that it’d evaluate Bethesda’s output on a “case-by-case basis”, but so far it’s only really honoured existing contracts for timed exclusives like Deathloop and continued to support live service titles such as Fallout 76. The publisher’s next big game, Starfield, will only release on Xbox Series X|S and PC – despite it very much being in production for PS5 at one point as well.
I knew it wouldn’t be long before it went up on here lol
It’s not a surprise. It hadn’t been announced before acquisition and they were clear games would be on a case by case basis
More places to play Indeed
This is good for everyone. More competition because consoles are mega popular and if you want to play everything just invest in a PC.
The biggest surprise about this is that Arkane came out and confirmed it.
I mean its fairly clear it was because the reveal was too close to the launch of deathloop - so the game must have been in development for some time prior to the acquisition
@GrimReaper yes, as a ps5 owner once again I see why competition is simply wonderful for me 😊
Marketing snake Phil said: We don’t want to block game from any gaming community xD
Not sure how putting it on one less platform is “good for everyone”.
Some people cannot afford a good pc.
I’m getting on gamepass so it doesn’t affect me but let’s be real here exclusives are never “good for everyone” 😂
It’s more or less only another loot shooter so it’s not the end of the world that it’s a Xbox and PC exclusive
I mean this felt really obvious. No way that Starfield and Redfall wouldn’t have come to the leading console before the buyout unless there was a deal between them and MS. I don’t particularly have a problem with this, but I do have an issue with MS buying an even bigger publisher and potentially doing these stunts again.
Well this shouldn't surprise anyone.
@naruball and if it was the other way around, people here would say "Tough luck, Microsoft".
And thus the cycle continues.
I figured that was the case, however with Redfall specifically, it's not really a loss. I think this game is going to be significantly underwhelming along the same lines as Suicide Squad. Most recent previews today confirm that this is another example of a departure from what a studio is good at, via trying to tap into the live service/ co-op/ loot driven loop shooter. Not necessarily bad if that's your thing, just not what I once liked about Arkane.
If anything, the Bethesda deal specifically was stupid for Bethesda in terms of market exposure, but great for microsoft. It will largely be microsoft that benefits and the developers under the Bethesda umbrella that largely suffer.
@Nalodart @naruball But don't we have discussions about lack of innovation every damn week? I would rather see Sony try to outdo Bethesda than securing a gamepass deal.
@Deoxyr1bose How is that a "stunt" exclusive to Microsoft? Since when has Sony bought anyone with the intention of releasing their games on other platforms? I mean I can only think of a few exceptions, like Microsoft makes with games like Minecraft.
Not shocked but it does show how hypocritical Phil is. I shell be playing it through Gamepass regardless.
@GrimReaper no disrespect, but that's dumb. That's not how competition works.
@GrimReaper you want b to see Sony outdo Bethesda, but you werebok with ms not out doing Bethesda? Again, that's not how competition works.
"We want more people to play games, not less".
@Cutmastavictory Care to elaborate? How is it dumb? Isn't everyone complaining that the Sony formula is getting stale? This may be the catalyst for a new golden age where less linear games start emerging.
More proof of how Phil constantly spews out hypocritical BS.
@JayJ The difference is Sony usually buys singular studios, while MS has now bought two of the biggest gaming publishers.
@Reeneman phil is full of sh🤔t.we are not gonna take away games from PlayStation owners.word up son
@GrimReaper so me as a simple consumer who purchased a platform that regularly got Bethesda games should lose out or spend more money because of "sonys formula"? That makes even a little bit of sense to you? Again, xbox isn't gaining any games. These games were already coming.
It's almost as if company executives lie or something! Who knew?
Surprised Pikachu face
The only reason they didn't block deathloop and ghost wire was because they were already publically announced.
I have zero problem with exclusives, it's the PR unity garbage Phil Spencer and Microsoft put out that is awful.
The truth: Microsoft tried to say exclusives don't matter, they failed. Sony & Nintendo destroyed them by having excellent first party output, Microsoft couldn't match it, so now they're buying up the industry to secure exclusives.
I wouldn't worry about it, its going to be a train wreck. A message has come out from the devs for all of us xboxers who have it on day 1 game pass queue, saying that the live service stuff will be removed but they can't give a time scale yet. Basically they know it will die in a year if it stays live service once the hype wears off. Ps5 players have dodged a bullet here.
Really proving aony's point
@NomNom plus under contract before the buyout so they had to honor it
I haven't being paying much attention to what's been dropping exclusively from MS 1st Party studios but the only thing I can recall in vaguely recent history was Halo and that was years ago wasn't it? Not sure. Never mind. I can't see Game Pass or the Playstations equivalent subs lasting too many years in their current form, maybe I'm wrong but I can't see them being healthy for the industry long term.
Competition can breed innovation yes, but it’s your “good for everyone” comment I respectfully disagree with.
A Ps5 owner that wants to play redfall, how is this good for them?
It isn’t, they can shell out more money for a PC or an Xbox but if they don’t have that kind of money they are out of luck.
Therefore it’s not “good for everyone” it’s just good for some people (maybe even a lot of people but not everyone, exclusives never can be because someone will always be locked out)
This guy really ain't sharpest knife in the drawer, is he? Making such statements during ongoing acquisition holdups.. will probably get "promoted" to basement and fired after dust settles.
In other breaking news, companies with historical monopolization tendencies don't have consumer benefit at forefront of their plans! Who would have guessed!
Actually, the the previews who come out today are looking really stellar, VGC, ign and others just have a lot of praises to the game.
@KundaliniRising333 i think i have see different videos preview then, the game is been really good praised.
As expected, all good with me. Hopefully it means the game will be better optimized when they have one less architecture to worry about.
I would said the same if it was exclusive to PS. I own both consoles, a PC and I’m no trophy hunter so it matters not where I get to play it in the end.
In other news, water is wet
There have been console exclusives since the 80s so not sure why it would change now. It is annoying if you don't have multiple consoles but you know going in for a console that it won't get every game released for it.
@Deoxyr1bose sounds like your defending one but not happy at the other. If Sony, Tencent, Embracer & others didn't buy studios all over the place then Microsoft probably wouldn't be doing the same.
Not a console wars guy but anyone who thinks Microsoft just buying up all the competition (because they can’t make good games themselves) while at the same time saying they “don’t wana block any games from gamers” is drunk lol It’s one thing for Sony/Nintendo to spend decades cultivating studios and games to make successful AAA games exclusivity for their consoles, it’s entirely different when Microsoft who has trillions of dollars from their other ventures can just swoop in & overpay for chunks of the industry solely to block games & try and keep their money bleeding GamePass service alive. Phil Spencer gona tell you everyday how he loves games and gamers and Sony has nothing to worry about but we all know CoD & every other huge franchise will not be on any other platform the moment they can do it. And it won’t stop at just this acquisition, this is a very slippery slope that in the end is not going to be good for us, the consumer.
Of course you know it won’t get every game. You do expect games that have previously always been multiplatform to most likely remain that way though. Sure some devs might get bought out along the way, but not entire huge publishers…anyway, slightly different topic.
@cragis0001 Definitely. I can't take anyone seriously when they ignore companies like Tencent and Embracer so they can focus all their outrage onto Microsoft. Just comes off as immature fanboyish behavior.
@Enigk it's annoying the generation of an acquisition, since you expected Bethesda's catalogue to show up when you bought a PlayStation 5. Next generation, I might reevaluate my spending, buy a game pass for my PC.
@JayJ Name one single example of where Sony has bought a dev where a game has been in development for Xbox and Sony have put a stop to that happening, all while claiming they don't want to take anything away from anyone?
Ill be back here in a couple of hours to read these comments
***** man I hate this consolidation of the industry. Publishers had a special place in this industry and they’re quickly going away. I like exclusives so I won’t be a hypocrite and say Microsoft is bad for doing it but they’ve been so two faced about the whole situation by saying exclusives are bad and games should be for everyone. People must just have terrible memories because Microsoft has a very dark history of attempts to monopolize and in some cases succeeded. They’re just trying to do it to the gaming industry now. Everyone will save money but with less and less cash flowing into the industry I fear it will diminish the quality of games going forward. People brag about how they don’t buy games anymore. Not sure if that’s a good thing.
Silly Microsoft, don't you know only Sony can have exclusives otherwise Jim Ryan will go crying to the trade authorities on how it's unfair.
And some people think MS playing Monopoly is a good thing.
I’m not sure where along the way we decided as a community that a console manufacturer should release all of their titles on competing platforms, but only a particular manufacturer, regardless of how the organization acquired the IP.
@GamingFan4Lyf not my point. I'm specifically arguing against the silly notion that "cOmPeTitiOn iS gOoD foR uS". It's not. With all these acquisitions, we keep losing access to some great games.
@Tasuki For the billionth time apples to oranges.
@Tasuki Microsoft have had more timed exclusives this gen than playstation....
And its not the fact they are getting this game as an exclusive that has people riled up, it's the hypocrisy coming from Microsoft at every turn.
I think the main difference in my opinion is Sony has never seemed coy about how they go about their business of putting out exclusives. It’s pretty much their whole strategy. Xbox seems like they are pretty wishy washy with the whole case by case thing, but then ends up making every big release exclusive
I hardly think you can just sneak in Sony amongst Tencent and Embracer. Completely different scales, lol!
@naruball Fair enough.
It is a shame that people lose out on this kind of thing. No matter who misses out.
I am more shocked this was admitted in the first place. I mean, if this person hadn't said anything, no one would have officially known.
I don't know if Sony or Microsoft are allowed to present any more evidence regarding the acquisition drama, but this dude gave Sony a little more ammunition to support its concerns with Microsoft pulling games from PlayStation.
What amuses me is that, despite being the site pushing the buy out story the most, our good and completely unbiased friends who got the series s/x exclusive pre launch access (Eurogamer) haven’t bothered to say anything about this. Even though they had an exclusive interview with him, and have already released two stories about his left wing political views and views on Microtransactions…
Edit: OK, now they have, but amazingly spin it with the claim that there is nothing to suggest releasing the game on PS5 was anything more than a suggestion pre acquisition (despite PS5 having by far the larger instal base). Amazing! Don’t worry though they are contacting Bethesda directly to get their propaganda - I mean opinion.
@thefourfoldroot1 doesn't matter what the scale it is though. Sony have been buying up studios & aggressively buying up third party titles. So of course your rival Microsoft is gonna respond by doing the same.
I think you’ll find scale is the only thing that’s important when talking about protecting the market from monopolistic intentions.
@JayJ exactly what would happen if Tencent or Embracer desided to launch there own console.
Meh, it's a matter of time before it becomes another failed attempt to be the next left 4 dead.
@thefourfoldroot1 well you should worry about Tencent & Embracer then rather than Microsoft.
Can worry about all of them, as they are all doing the same thing. The more immediate worry would be MS though, as they are the only platform holder. The other two have no reason to make multiplatform games exclusive.
Great studio Arkane is, really enjoyed their past games and the Dishonored franchise made me a fan and admirer of their work. Fun and great memories playing those excellent games.
Shame I will never get to play another one of their games but I hold no grudges and wish them the best in their future endeavors.
@GamingFan4Lyf I don't think this is helping Sony much at all. It's completely to be expected that after an acquisition games under development will become exclusive.
The whole problem with Activision and the reason Sony is fighting against it is that COD is simply way too big. Acquisitions have happened and will continue to happen, but when you buy the biggest (also annual) IP there is, then you can massively disrupt the market.
@cragis0001 but they're not doing the same. Not even close.
So let me understand.
Sony Making FF 16 (third-party title) exclusive is fine.
Microsoft making Redfall (first-party title) exclusive is wrong.
"Ohh, but Microsoft hypocrisy... "
Microsoft said they would get games in the hands of more Players.
Xbox, PC, Cloud (includes mobile phones and PC with a browser, and Samsung TVs)
Even without PlayStation they're still putting games on more devices.
"Ohhm but they taking Redfall away..."
No. Redfall was never a multiplatform title, it is a new IP there is nothing being taken away, differently of, you know, Final Fantasy and Spiderman games... the hypocrisy...
@cragis0001 you are delusion if you truly believe that ms buying actiblizz and Bethesda is in any way even close to what sony has ever done. Like do you even realise how big that actiblizz deal is. 70 billion. That's almost twice of what nvidia was gonna pay for arm. Ridiculous that you can put them on the same level.
Looking at the funny side it’s had a couple of delays as it is. Had we had PS5 development as well we would have been looking at next year for release or year after 😂
@eduscxbox correct ms's hypocrisy. The director literally said that the game was coming to ps but ms scrapped it. Tbh if ms was upfront about it i wouldn't even mind this for Bethesda but no they gotta pretend to be these savior of gamers to appease the govts.
@eduscxbox Lol imagine comparing a one year deal with a franchise long associated with the console to paying 70 billion dollars to leave games off your competitor that would normally release there simply because you can’t create anything good. Just stop it with the false equivalencies.
Very shocking to learn a game releasing 2 years after the acquisition, and supposed to release last year, was indeed in development for PlayStation too at some point.
Wow, now we get no dualsense features, no PSVR2 version.
MS’s hostile Bethesda buyout was already bad enough and is just bad for the industry.
Arkane makes such good games, and I’m genuinely sad to see them go. This buyout should also be more than enough evidence that MS wants these big buyouts to result in exclusive because they can’t make games on their somehow. (No really, MS even after buying a bunch of small studios has failed to produce anything meaningful,).
@Bingoboyop Yes, he said! But it was never announced. This was all internal, and matters not to the public. There was no PS5 Redfall announcement. There is nothing being taken.
@KaijuKaiser One year deal just like FF7R, right?! Oh.. wait...
Does that apply to Spider-man too? It was previously multiplatform...
@Kevw2006 @JayJ Not the guy you asked, but... Sony's studios are as follows. I'll start with the closed studios:
BigBig, Evolution, Guerrilla Cambridge, Incognito and Japan Studio have never developed for a non-PlayStation platform.
Zipper developed exclusively for PC prior to 2002 when Sony bought them.
Psygnosis continued to develop for other platforms up until 2000, when they rebranded to SCE Studio Liverpool and made only Wipeout and F1 games. Sony bought them in 1993.
Savage and Haven have not made any games since their creation.
Team Asobi, Media Molecule, Pixelopus, Polyphony, Santa Monica Studio and London Studio have never made a non-PlayStation game. Nixxes is a PC porting specialist. Valkyrie is a support studio that has released a single multiplatform game that will shut down next month. All are slightly irrelevant to this particular response.
Bluepoint have made precisely two Xbox games, both ports, and both were long before Sony bought them in 2021.
Housemarque hasn't made a non-PlayStation game since 2017, but was console exclusive to PS4. Sony bought them in 2021.
Firesprite has never made a non-PlayStation game outside of porting The Persistence, which released on other platforms after Sony bought them in 2021.
Sucker Punch last made a non-PlayStation game in 1999. Sony bought them in 2011.
Guerrilla last made a non-PlayStation game in 2002. Sony bought them in 2005.
Naughty Dog last made a non-PlayStation game in 1994. Sony bought them in 2001.
Bend last made a non-PlayStation game in 1994. Sony bought them in 2000.
San Diego Studio had never made a non-PlayStation game up until 2 years ago, where they have gone multi-platform.
Insomniac last made a non-PlayStation game in 2019, released after Sony took over. However, their last Xbox game was in 2014. Outside of a couple of mobile and VR games, they have developed exclusively for PlayStation.
Bungie...exist, I guess.
That took more effort than I am willing to admit!
All I want is a playstation showcase
@eduscxbox Lmao you mean after Microsoft turned it down because they know they would have screwed up a Spidey game on their own? They were approached first
@eduscxbox where is your source on spiderman originally being multiplat? It’s widely known that ms turned it down.
As for the FF games, I agree with you there, they are aggressively held deals to keep big games exclusive for Sony’s consoles.
@eduscxbox 1. FF-6 is timed.
2. We want MS to have exclusives, but we want to have them curate new ones and add to the industry instead just buying out entire publishers.
MS has done nothing to prove they will make anything better, only that they use monopoly tactics.
MS ought to have great exclusives, but they need to curate them. Not buying games in development for PlayStation.
@BeerIsAwesome I was aware of all that information but it doesn't answer my question. I asked them to name an example of where Sony had bought a dev that was currently developing a game for Xbox and then Sony ceased development for the Xbox version. I'm not saying it hasn't happened but I can't think of any cases of it happening.
If microsoft has to release Redfall on PlayStation having paid 7.5 billion for Bethesda, shouldn't sony release Spider-man on Xbox even paying for the title exclusivity?
That's your logic, not mine.
@eduscxbox Stop with the Gish gallop. Every time I respond you come at me with another unrelated question. You know you were wrong about Spidey and now you’re wrong about this. Those companies are much smaller and have a history of working closely on the PlayStation ecosystem. Again you continue to make one false equivalency after another. There is nothing in this industry that is on par with this purchase. Nothing.
Microsoft buying up all of these developers is such a cheap move. Honestly, I don't see how the U.S. government can keep authorizing these entertainment mergers. We will be down to two or three companies that own everything. Entertainment will just get more and more homogenized.
@NomNom @thefourfoldroot1 Since a couple of generations ago anything can be possible. I assumed Bayonetta would be multiplatform and that ended up a Nintendo exclusive. FFXV was on Xbox so you assume XVI would be but it isn't. At least no one bought a PS5 for Redfall.
@KaijuKaiser It is not unrelated. It is you that have double standards.
You say Microsoft is taking away games from PS (Redfall), because they will not release on PS5. Even knowing Microsoft paid 7.5bi on Bethesda.
Now Sony paid a undisclosed ammount for Spiderman, and made the game exclusive, but that somehow is fine.
I don't want Spiderman on Xbox, sony paid for, is their right. I'm just pointing how there is a double standard because of values of acquisition, but ignores Spider-man is a multi-million franchise with fans all over the world.
Redfall there is no fanbase yet, the game is new, there is no one harmed by the game not being on PS5.
If we were talking about Elder Scrolls VI I would agree as it has the previous entries, but Redfall and Starfield were never on PS.
I think this is the most anyone's ever talked about Redfall, to be honest! 😂
Buy all the IP's you want, Microsoft. You'll still never make anything nearly as good as God of War (and Ragnarok), Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us (1&2), and the Uncharted series.
@eduscxbox Do you think The Elder Scrolls 6, DOOM, Wolfenstein, etc are going to be on PS5 moving forwards? And what about stuff like Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, and Diablo if Activision goes through?
I guess we're about to find out, but I don't have high hopes.
@get2sammyb even though these franchises existed pre acquisition, they will soon be exclusive to Xbox & game pass.
@Jaz007 The Psvr aspect is what saddens me the most about Bethesda as they were quite a prolific Vr developer.
Also a big fan and supporter of Arkane and have played all their games in the PS3 and on generations (platted them all).
Oh well there are more games than ever these days and my backlog is massive so I won't be losing too much sleep, except for those Vr titles. Imagine Starfield in Vr, assuming they could get the fps high enough. 🤔
As for Activision, $69b and Xbox gamers won't be getting any more titles than they wouldn't have gotten anyway. If I was on team green that would really grind my gears. 😂
@NomNom Exactly. So I find this discussion about "Well, these franchises are new and don't have any existing fans" to be nonsense. We all know what's going to happen with established series, too!
@get2sammyb "I think this is the most anyone's ever talked about Redfall, to be honest! 😂"
At least the prelaunch buzz is better than Forspoken though, even among PS fans
@NEStalgia Not really sure what Forspoken's got to do with anything really. I'm still looking forward to trying that when I get time! (Which will likely be never!)
@Brue Probably when one of the console manufacturers started buying up large publishers with a history of multiplatform releases and making comments about not wanting to take anything away from gamers and wanting to make games available to as many gamers as possible, all while simultaneously denying access to a large number of gamers on a specific platform.
@get2sammyb I don't know if those game will keep releasing on PS. I think they'll decide that on a case by case basis.
They could've kept only the main Minecraft entry multiplatform and made Dungeons and Legends exclusive, but they didn't. So who knows what They'll do with some of those franchises.
Pleased for Xbox finally getting some decent games.
Not everyone can invest in both consoles so good to see them getting some good games which hopefully will make gaming a bit more competitive between the top 2.
PlayStation are getting final fantasy 16 and the silent hill remake so I’m happy 😊.
@eduscxbox Not wanting to get into the other stuff. There are good points on both sides of the argument re Bethesda and Activision.
But as you've been told, Sony didnt pay an undisclosed amount for Spiderman. Disney were shipping the ip for a game and went to Microsoft who turned it down. They then went to Sony who - yes, do have an existing relationship with the ip - and assigned the development to insomniac, which has made both companies alot of money
The same can be said for a game like Street Fighter 5 - Sony caught heat for that, but the game wouldnt have been developed without Sony providing financial support to Capcom, who were struggling financially at the time.
There are much better examples to support your argument - indeed you mention Final Fantasy. But even then Sony has a long and strong history with Square Enix, so the parallels are not the same.
This is, this kind of thing likely happens all the time. Do people seriously not think that Sony will go to Square Enix, for example, and see the likes of Final Fantasy 16, and say, 'Here's a bunch of money, I want it as a PS5 exclusive'. Square Enix say, 'But we've already started an Xbox version too;. Sony continue, 'Okay, here's some more money'. Square Enix respond, 'Okay, it's cancelled. Just don't tell the Xbox lot'. Now, I'm not saying that's what happened with FF16, I'm just using it as a point of example. However, I would be fairly confident that this kind of thing happens all the time, it's just that time, someone actually revealed the truth. I'll bet this was some of the stuff that Microsoft were looking to show in Court with the FTC case regarding the ABK acquisition...
@get2sammyb Both seem like the same position of being little to negative hype games, deserved or otherwise. Plus that game really will be the punchline of every joke for the next 10 years. It would have been Cyberpunk but they actually fixed that. Skull and Bones could replace its standing though.
@cragis0001 Yeah there is basically no discussing this with the hardcore Sony fanboys, they will always rush to defend Sony no matter how hypocritical their arguments become.
@Saitama117 Sure ok.
@GrimReaper I don't really care about this game, so don't take it personal. But I think you don't know what "good for everyone" means.
@JayJ coming from one of the biggest Xbox "hardcore fanboys," this is hilarious.
I find that we at least have a healthy debate here.
Whilst I fully accept that Sony have a long history with Square Enix, @Rob_230, I think it also fair to say that if a company consistently fails to put their games on a particular platform, then it is very difficult to build the foundations of a strong bond. SE have a habit of releasing games on to the Xbox long after their initial release on the PlayStation, and as such the games garner little interest. I think that were the games released day and date on the Xbox and PlayStation, that SE games would fair much better. I don't think that there is a lack of interest on the Xbox, just a weariness in receiving PlayStation cast offs some time after the games initial release. Basically, you cannot build a productive history if you treat Xbox like a inconsequential afterthought...
@Fiendish-Beaver You seriously think Sony can outbid Microsoft for exclusivity? That’s delusional man. This deal is worth just as much as Sony is. Microsoft is operating an entirely different level, if they wants to they could have paid developers a ton of money for exclusive games. That’s actually what pisses me off so much about them. They could have done so much more to create new IP or fan favorite remakes and sequels but instead they chose the laziest route possible to just spend spend and spend on publishers with established IP. I honestly think it’s a lot healthier for the industry to have companies approach developers for exclusives rather than taking dozens of up away from competition.
@Kevw2006 Fair point. I know that Insomniac kept a hold of the IP for Sunset Overdrive, and that was a game used to market the Xbox One at launch. Sony could really throw some shade if they got Insomniac to make a sequel and release it for the Xbox as well. Otherwise, outside of perhaps Psygnosis (Shadow Of The Beast, Lemmings, etc.) and the above example from Insomniac, I can't think of any other studio that has IP that is in any way being withheld from Nintendo or Microsoft consoles.
Perhaps it should be considered more ironic that Crash Bandicoot and Spyro are heavily associated with the PlayStation (and Sony owns both devs to boot) and are now about to be bought by Microsoft.
Word of advice to all. If you want to play future Bethesda games, buy and Xbox or PC. Simple as that. Stop being salty. To those that say Sony only buys studios that they have "cultivated" over the years, the same is true with Microsoft and Bethesda. The relationship existed long before Bethesda starting releasing games on the PS. Remember Morrowind, an Xbox exclusive? Remember all the games Bethesda released on PC well before consoles? Who invested in Bethesda then? They have had a long history together just like Sony and many of the studios they bought. The acquisition made sense from a business standpoint. If you want to play Sony first party titles, buy a PS. And in regards to Microsoft and ABK, bring it on. More competition is better for all gamers. For many of you it seems you want only a PS and everyone else to fold. Why I have no idea. There is life outside buttons with shapes on them. And it is ok to like other consoles and games made by competitors. No one will think less of you.
@Fiendish-Beaver Your point about weariness is completely fair. I completely understand - particularly for a game with a strong focus on story (Square again here - the 1 year exclusivity of Rise of the Tomb Raider tanked sales on Playstation - although Mass Effect and Bioshock did still do well)
@BeerIsAwesome Sunset Overdrive is an interesting one as I believe there was an interest from Insomniac in doing a sequel and I assume that them being bought by Sony ended any chances of that happening. I agree on the irony of Spyro and especially Crash Bandicoot possibly becoming Xbox exclusives when they were so closely tied to PS in the past.
It’s nice to see that some people are still trying to argue that getting timed exclusivity for final fantasy 16 and picking up a long neglected Spider-Man license is the exact same as spending $80 billion to acquire two of the largest publishers in gaming and a dozen multi platform developers are somehow ***** equal.
@Clankylad You can have all three consoles and still not agree with certain practices. I have a PS5 and I certainly don't agree with everything that Sony does at times.
@Clankylad Just because you have a Xbox doesn't mean you don't hate Microsoft and Phil Spencer for being scumbags. I hate Phil Spencer and don't want give microsoft anymore money.
@eduscxbox You keep using Spice-Man as your source and you keep sounding dumber
If things like this bother you, then just buy an Xbox.
I've got all three consoles so I don't care about all this petty, childish moaning.
@pharos_haven Ignore the troll he's not worth your time.
Maybe, at some point, Microsoft will start creating new IP instead of buying up what it’s lacked the vision to create itself. The last substantial IP they created was Sea of Thieves five years ago. Outside of that, they’ve been riding the Halo (2001), Gears (2006) and Forza (2005) train ad nauseam.
It takes an extremely loyal fan base to stick around for…that.
"Console manufacturer secures exclusive content for it's platform like other console manufacturers."
The devil is in the detail this statement is a false equivalence. Funding or buying exclusivity on a game from an independent dev or another publishers is very different to buying out a publisher.
Regulators (and gamers) are stoopid if they don't think this will happen again with ABK. Corporations cannot be trusted, especially not Microsoft. They are telling regulators they have 58 games on PlayStation and are showing that as a sign of good intentions while Sony has just two on Xbox. Of course, they didn't mention they bought those games (via Bethesda) that were already on PlayStation or were being made for PlayStation and had an existing contract.
"This deal was not done to take games away from another player base like that"
“there are no examples in Bethesda of games taken away from the PlayStation community”
"We believe in the power of games to bring people together"
Those are indeed all Phil Spencer quotes
Problem isn't having exclusives problem is uncle phil acting like a saint and a savior of gaming but then just doing the same "anti consumer' practices that the evil tyrant sony does
It's the hypocrisy that infuriates me i couldn't care less about this game
@pharos_haven No, I'm not. I was simply following the logic of lots of people in the comments. So if someone is dumb that is not me.
Sony has exclusivity rights to Spider-man because of a deal with marvel, whatever that deal is. That is why it is only on PS.
Microsoft has exclusive rights over Redfall because of their deal with Bethesda (the acquisition). That is why it is only on Xbox.
So my question was: How is that different?! If you guys say Redfall (a microsoft first-party) should be on PS5, why shouldn't Spiderman (a Sony first-party) be on Xbox?
In that comparison they're the same: 2 first-party titles. Can you follow up until here?
It doesn't matter Spider-man was offered first to MS, or if Redfall is part of a publisher acquisition.
The comparison was simply if those games are first-party titles, why only one side should release their first party as a multiplatform?!
That was all.
@eduscxbox Because Xbox should have never bought a publisher like Bethesda. This isn’t them buying a single studio they’ve been working with and then the new game is exclusive.
This is buying a huge multi-platform publisher and then removing the games from the competition.
Sony leveraged a studio to make a Spider-Man game that was the best seen in years.
If MS used a studio they cultivated to make a fantastic Transformers game, I’d be drooling and wishing for a PS version, but I wouldn’t say it should be on PS. I’d play off of my preferred platform and be grateful. As a big Transformers fan, that’s a better comparison.
There ls such a thing as nuance and scale not “well, if one Publisher makes anything exclusive, that’s the same as if another publisher made 90% of the industry exclusive”. Which is your logic here.
Arkane is also a Bethesda Studio. MS didn’t go and buy Arkane, they bought a big publisher which happened to have Arkane.
MS should own studios, but not own Bethesda as a publisher.
Some people on here are so ridiculous. Microsoft have made games on more places than any other platform holder. They've just signed potential deals with other platform holders but Sony still complains. Sony want all games either exclusive on PlayStation or there with favourable terms.
What first party games have Sony made available on Xbox???
Phil Spencer's comments about making games available to more players doesn't mean that he's a hypocrite for not releasing every IP they own available on PlayStation.
Every franchise Sony have as exclusives are from studios that Sony has bought!
Are Xbox owners getting Uncharted??? No. Grow up.
@Total_Weirdo In over 20 years the only time I've ever considered buying an Xbox was back when they secured the exclusive rights to GTA IV dlc. In that time not a single one of Microsoft's own IPs has remotely interested me and any multiplat third party games I wanted to play I can play on my PlayStation. I would have bought both Redfall and Starfield if they had released on PS but neither one interests me enough to make me buy an Xbox. I don't really have any problems with them making either exclusive as they are perfectly entitled to and it makes sense business wise. What I don't like is the fact that they are saying things like they don't want to take games away from gamers and they are giving gamers more options when that is inherently false. I didn't spend £1500 on a large screen tv to play games that I would previously have been able to otherwise only to then be told that my choice for playing games is to either buy a different console, buy a gaming PC or play it on a mobile device. If anything that is a step backwards in consumer friendliness.
@__jamiie what one of Microsoft's OWN IPs that they have created THEMSELVES and not ones that they have acquired that were already available on other consoles at the time of acquisition have Microsoft made available on PlayStation? At least make the comparison fair. And to answer your question, Sony acquired Bungie and they remained multiplat with Destiny 2 still being updated with new releases on Xbox.
@Eadgar what an honorable comment, who knows if microsoft decide to buy up sony one day you get to play it.
But fr I hope the game becomes available in some way to ps only folks like you.
@GrimReaper But Phil said exclusives are bad maybe he is a two-faced liar after all that says what good for him whenever it's convenient for him. Maybe he is also lies about the COD exclusivity. 🤪
"case by case" is a joke. Nothing in this deal will come out for Playstation unless it was previously contracted to do so.
And people can look at that deal, then look at the Activision deal, and still wonder why Sony expects Microsoft to do...what Microsoft does.
@BeerIsAwesome one that was taken away from Xbox to be a ps exclusive
Project eve / steller blade
Heres the original announcement
@Kevw2006 I forgot about Halo, Forza, Forza Horizon and Gears of War being released on PlayStation and Microsoft snatching them away.
Sony allowing Destiny 2 to remain on Xbox is not a big effort by Sony. A 5 year old F2P shooter is hardly expanding the market. They have made zero effort compared to Xbox in making games playable in more places.
You don't need to buy an Xbox to play Xbox first party games day 1.
@naruball I bet you didn't complain when Sony was paying Square/Capcom to Lock IP's to PS4/5...
@Martsmall The difference is that Sony never claimed that "When we all play, we all win" (or something like that) phrase. Phil Spencer did…. And that's why many are tired of MS and their BS kumbaya statements about exclusivity.
@__jamiie Since you've just 100% agreed with the point I was making I'm going to assume you've misunderstood what I was saying lol
@rpg2000 what are you on about ? Did I say ANYTHING about that ???? I was replying to @BeerIsAwesome about as far as they know don't have never pulled a game from Xbox ....oh and btw cod will b on more systems with more players so not a lie is it
Not just cod games as well any Xbox exclusive game can be played everywhere ...apart from ps
@Jaz007 A hostile acquisition is only valid if the company did not want to be bought, and this does not happen with private equity companies, Bethesda was one, the largest private equity publisher in fact. They wanted to be bought, do the acquisition was not hostile.
And the same goes for Activision, shareholders voted to sell the company without Microsoft buying enough to force the sale, aka without using a hostile takeover..
@Kevw2006 Yes you're right, I did misread the point you made. Apologies.
Microsoft have made Minecraft and its many sequels and updates available on successive PlayStation platforms long after the acquisition of MoJang. There was no existing community in place for Minecraft Legends, yet the newest game will release on PlayStation soon. Microsoft are offering CoD on PlayStation indefinitely.
What have Sony offered anyone in comparison???
I own and love all 3 consoles so I'm able to look at things more objectively than some other people on here.
I think that diehard PlayStation fans are getting scared and ignoring the absolute hypocrisy of everything Sony does.
@Martsmall Do you have a link to an article where it says Sony bought the Stellar blade developer? I can't find anything anywhere
Ok let's have Microsoft buy Activision and put everything on Game Pass. How long does each developer last before we see the "restructuring" that Microsoft just did to their Halo dev? How long until the amount of Game Pass subs can't pay for development of every AAA title from all of their AAA studios?
@Kevw2006 they didn't buy them no but paid to take it off Xbox
But while we are on the history of buying company's and taking games away fromother platforms ..feel free to wiki psygnosis and adidas power soccer which version was made for sega saturn but never released on there once Sony purchased them. And also medievil which was canceled for saturn and windows ....again after Sony purchased the company and kept it as a ps exclusive
It's a busines thing I don't see why ppl are disgusted ...consoles have exclusives ..it's not as if they advertised it as coming to ps5
Edit heres the link to the news article about it now being ps exclusive
@__jamiie You're right, Minecraft Legends is an example and Microsoft had no obligation for it to be released on PS, especially on PS plus too. Although I do think that despite Minecraft Legends itself not having a community on PS, Minecraft itself does have a community there so I can see why they would choose to release it.
@Martsmall Psygnosis is an interesting example as they actually retained a degree of semi-independence after Sony bought them and did still develop games for other platforms for a number of years, including the Saturn. I can't find anything that directly links the cancellation of Adidas power soccer to Sony though, it just says it was cancelled for an unknown reason. Medieval is also an interesting one as the devs were desperate for cash and it looks like Sony stepped in and bailed them out because they liked what they saw, it doesn't appear it was ever in full development for any particular platform at that point. Other platforms were just under consideration.
These console exclusivity antics just make PC all the more attractive. Still have to wait months/years for Playstation stuff, but Sony seems to be prioritizing growth in this sector, and PC gets Microsoft titles day one.
@Kevw2006 no but made it out on ps ( Adidas ) ,medievil
Millennium Interactive initially began working on multiple platforms including Windows and the Sega Saturn before giving Sony of Europe a working demo of the game.
Which is no diffrent to redfall it's business
By the end of this comment feed I already forgot what game this was about.
@MaikonCSGarcia Read it as two separate words, not one phrase. I’m not using the technical phrase.
@Martsmall I see where you're coming from, but it's not the best context. We're talking more like taking games away by buying the developer outright. Otherwise there are countless examples of this happening with this throughout gaming history dating back about 3 decades. So until Sony announce they are buying the developer, consider this just a regular timed exclusive. For what it's worth, the developer, Shiftup is partially owned by Tencent.
There are so many games on PS5 I want to play that even if that number was cut in half I wouldn't have time to play them all. So the loss of games like this doesn't bother me at all.
Sony pays to block games off of Xbox all the time. I don't see why ppl are butthurt when MS does it
Exhibit A of Microsoft's/Xbox definition of hypocrisy & what adding Activision Blizzard & any further AAA publishers to a monopoly is a bas idea.
Still defies logic how Sony's been singled out for "timed exclusives are anti-gamer" Gamer Phil, but permanently blocking previously 3rd party AAA publishers,devs & IP's are okay if they're the struggling 2 trillion plus Indie monopoly Microsoft Xbox because in their own submissions to authorities they weren't coming up with enough in-house exclusives so they should be allowed to paywall the 3rd party ones instead!!🙄
The irony they're claiming Sony could make their own COD but are spending 70 billion just to buy the AAA publisher that makes it instead of expanding Halo/Gears or making their own COD exposes everything you need to know about their behaviour!
@naruball For the billionth time no it isnt.
I mean if it was canned 4+ years ago it was likely not far along.
@Robocod MS can buy publishers beacuse they're rich, if Sony wasn't so poor maybe they could buy publishers too no?
Why am I not surprised by this confirmation? Still sucks either way, another game I'll buy when it's on sale for dirt cheap.
(I refuse to support Game Pass)
lmao, it's bound to happen anyways and that's all fine and dandy but the next time MS tells you that they don't believe in exclusivity and that it's all anti-consumer, know that they're just spitting lies.
@Bricktop33 When the games goes on Game Pass day 1, are they a buggy mess?
Because generally they get better in fixes as time goes along (Assassin's Creed: Unity)
Wait a second, @KaijuKaiser, three things immediately come to mind with regards to your response.
1, Can you please point out where in my comment I said that Microsoft could not outbid Sony, as I'm pretty sure I said nothing of the like.
2. If you seriously think that Microsoft go around outbidding Sony all the time, could you please explain to me all the third-party exclusives that the PlayStation gets? Why, if Microsoft go around outbidding Sony all the time, is it that Sony consistently gets all of the Final Fantasy games, for example, as by your thinking, Microsoft would just rock up and offer more money that Sony could possibly offer. Just because Microsoft could, does not mean that they do! Your disdain for Microsoft is palpable, however, I was putting across an entirely balanced and objective argument.
3. I absolutely agree with you that Microsoft could have done more to develop their own exclusives, but your idea that doing so would not necessitate buying up exclusives works both ways; in other words, just because Microsoft are spending hugely to acquire a company, does not absolve Sony and show them to be whiter than white. In many ways, buying only the cream that a company offers (as Sony do with Final Fantasy) for example, but allowing their less worthy offerings is more cynical, as what this enables Sony to say is, 'Hey, we have only bought up a few companies' whilst all the time holding their crossed fingers behind their backs in the full knowledge that they do basically buy developers in all but name. Indeed, I would not be at all surprised if Microsoft acquiring ABK, was in big part, a response to the mildly aggressive tactics of Sony to keep acquiring the best third-party exclusives. I do not know that to be the case, but it would not surprise me. We've seen that kind of response in business before.
I wasn't look to make any sort of partisan comment, I was basically saying that I'm pretty much certain that all Platforms undertake the kind of practice we have seen here. However, it is unfortunate that some people get so bent out of shape when someone shows some objectivity, or isn't sacrificing their soul on the Altar of Sony, that they cannot possibly accept that it's just possible that their beloved Sony undertakes the same kind of practices.
@get2sammyb I'll be honest - I'll miss the Bethesda games
I mean. It's almost like PS4 slogan was "For the Players" and not "For (our) Players"
Microsoft are dicks, throw rocks at them.
@Fiendish-Beaver To be fair with FF. SE and Sony are both Japanese companies and Japanese companies will always stick together.
@get2sammyb I totally forgot it existed to be honest.
Next - 'They came in and said, 'No PS5'' for COD :-/ I despise Microsoft :-/ I hope nothing changes for them if they get Activision & Gamepass subscriptions stay the same. What a waste of 68 Billion that would be then
I absolutely accept that, @SolaceCreed, though as I said in my initial comment at comment 100, I wasn't really speaking about Final Fantasy, I just used it as an example. However you do make a good point...
I find it amusing the people crying about this are some of the same people praising Sony for having, and buying exclusives. XBox buys and IP, makes it exclusive = bad. Sony buys IP, (or rights from 3rd party and keeps it off other platforms = good. This exclusive stuff does stink for people who only own 1 platform, but at the end of the day its bushiness. These companies are not here to listen to what a group of people on Twitter want, their here to build a brand and make money. Sony relying so much on COD is exactly the reason you may not see a new SOCOM, Resistance, or Killzone.
@Kevw2006 From my original post: “…regardless of how the organization acquired the IP.”
Look, I understand and fully empathize. The problem with this is that there are other instances that have caused this situation. The method in which it happens still yields the same result. I cannot tell you how many times in the early and mid 2000s - 2010s I was in a GameStop and someone walked up to the counter demanding to know why they couldn’t purchase the latest Mario Kart game for their PlayStation. Consumer ignorance, sure, but exclusivity arrangements are always exclusionary for some party regardless of how, when, or why a publisher or manufacturer acquired an IP. Yes, these titles have been taken from the PlayStation ecosystem. Yea, it really sucks for folks who don’t own a PC or Xbox platform. Regardless, Nintendo, Xbox, PlayStation, and PC players all experience this letdown when, for whatever reason, a game is missing from a platform. It sucks for those consumers, but it happens to anyone who isn’t fortunate enough to own every modern platform and a reliable gaming PC. In fact, outside of MLB, Sony is only publishing select titles on PC. None on Switch. None on Xbox. And Nintendo? They’re the worst offender. Cold day in Hell before you’re blasting down Rainbow Road as Yoshi on your PlayStation. Microsoft is the publisher putting more of their internally-developed and acquired properties on competing platforms. Again, not defending the Redfall and Starfield situation, but all three of them make moves to deprive other platforms of software.
@JayJ very true. But if there was any game that they should be complaining about not getting on PS5 to be fair it's The Outer Worlds 2. As thats more a better example than Redfall & Starfield.
@cragis0001 Yeah I would be inclined to agree, especially considering how much I loved the original when it came out.
@JayJ exactly but it's ignored because it's a title from a small studio rather than from Bethesda. Sony fans forget that they bought UK publisher Psygnosis to bolster the original PlayStation. It has Bungie that self publishes it's own titles & they'd would cheer from the rafters if Sony purchased Square Enix.
@Bingoboyop not deluded. Microsoft is doing the same as Sony did from the beginning. They purchased UK publisher Psygnosis to bolster the original PlayStation & have been buying developers ever since. Going by a Wiki search Sony has purchased a grand total 24 companies to bolster PlayStation. Yes the costs have risen as a result of the popularity of gaming but Sony seems to do well buying small studio's & grow them over time. But don't be nieve. If Sony could afford it they would be doing the same as Microsoft.
@cragis0001 really you are comparing psygnosis to actiblizz. Not only that but also a purchase made when playstation was not even a thing to when xbox has been around for over 20 years and still have no first party to show for it so now they go out and buy a publisher.
@Bingoboyop people underestimate Psygnosis's importance. As the company accounted to 40% all video games sold in Europe in 1995/96 compared to Activision Blizzard's 66% in 2017. So yes Psygnosis was a big player. Sony had little to no first party titles either before they bought Psygnosis 😆😆 it's why Sony bought them to boost there catalogue in the EU/US. Just like why Microsoft is buying Activision Blizzard & the others.
@cragis0001 dude playstation was not a thing when sony bought them, so no ***** they had no first party titles. The first ps came out in 1994 and they bought them in 93. How the hell are these situations comparable. People conveniently forget that xbox has been around for more than 20 years. Nd, suckerpunch, santa Mónica, London, japan, media molecule and a bunch of second party studios were a thing when ps was 20 years old.
@Bingoboyop PlayStation was in development when Sony purchased Psygnosis in 1993 & were seeking developer support throughout the year for the launch in late 1994 in Japan, 1995 in EU/US. Xbox has created 343 industries, The Coalition, The Initiative, World's Edge & Xbox Studios Publishing in 20 years. So what's your point as both sides have created talented studios & bought up many more also.
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