Some of the games announced during Microsoft’s big Xbox Showcase on Sunday are coming to the PS5 and PS4 – but it would appear you weren’t supposed to know for at least 48 hours. It seems that the Redmond firm enforced embargoes on some of its partners, including Atlus and Koei Tecmo. We received press releases from both publishers, embargoed until 6PM BST today, preventing us from mentioning the PlayStation ports.
Now this information was ultimately published prematurely by other websites, enabling us to bring you the news earlier than intended, but it’s still noteworthy. Platform holders rarely ever mention competing consoles during press conferences, of course – but usually, publishers will clarify which platforms their games are coming to in press releases and social media posts sent out immediately afterwards. This was true for Street Fighter 6 and Resident Evil 4, for example, which were both announced at Sony’s most recent State of Play.
However, in this instance, it appears that Microsoft didn’t want news of the PS5 versions of Persona and PS5 and PS4 versions of Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty to be publicised until at least two days after its Xbox Showcase. As far as we understand, this was enforced specifically on the Japanese titles, as games like Minecraft Legends were announced for rival platforms like the PS5, PS4, and Nintendo Switch immediately after the livestream.
Of course, it’s understandable that Microsoft wants to associate Xbox with these games, especially when it’s largely considered to have a weaker selection of Japanese titles than its competitors. But we’d argue that having those games on its big stage already served its purpose, and embargoing platforms is just keeping players in the dark. Ultimately, it is just 48 hours, so it’s not the end of the world. But we figured this was worth reporting in case of similar situations in the future, when you may be left wondering whether a game announced at an Xbox Showcase is coming to PS5 and PS4 or not.
I don't see why ANY multiplatform titles are announced at these things.
Should be all exclusives imo. If they don't have enough exclusives then just show the few they have or don't waste the money.
This seems so petty. What on earth is 48 hours supposed to do? Just seems to be implemented out of spite 🤣
48 hours is a bizarre embargo to put in place. Did many people buy an Xbox in those two days?
Really, what does a 48h embargo accomplish? This is just silly. Petty, even.
I don't think I've ever seen this before to be honest. We've had stuff with timed exclusives, but I've never seen outright multiplatform games have an embargo in place to prevent the other systems from being mentioned.
Btw Atlus has still not officially confirmed P4G and P3P for Playstation
This seems specifically designed to dissuade media from reporting the games coming other consoles. Typically articles come out immediately and whenever new information becomes available the publisher of the article issues an update or correction that gets incorporated into the original article’s webpage. 99% of people never see the update/correction, so 99% of people go on believing those games are exclusive. It’s just an effective way of hiding the truth by taking advantage of the way online written media is disseminated.
It's manipulation pure and simple... Just to get a few pre-orders or sales for people that are interested in Japanese games.
Nobody buys an Xbox for those games though, so this stunt may have caused MS more harm than good.
@IonMagi Should be announced later today, an Atlus press release from Eurogamer is saying they will be announced for those systems by Atlus on June 14
Very strange embargo, that. Particularly with it being just 48 hours and on the Japanese titles only. What, do they think that gamers would go straight out and pick up an Xbox instead of a PS5 purely on the strength of that alone? Sure, it could influence a purchase decision, but not within two short days. Very weird indeed.
Fml. Already sold my PS4 and PS5 and bought an Xbox because of this.
@Sam_ATLUS I know but Koei Tecmo/Team Ninja announced their new Game already for PS4/5 too so the embargo seems to be gone. Atlus and Sega are still silent tho
Yep not surprised in the slightest. Glad it backfired and people straight up announced anyway.
Xbox: “If we acquire a game that comes with a big community across a number of platforms the last thing we want to do is take something away.” He continues: “If anything, we feel that it’s our job to be caretakers, to be shepherds, to continue to build and nurture that community, not to cut it up into pieces and try to take some of it away.”
Also Xbox: Dont tell ppl these games are multiplatform
Phil Spencer doesn’t want to keep games from other platforms, this is true. He just wants to keep you in the dark for awhile lol. I mean I don’t blame them, but I thought it was evident what was console exclusive and what wasn’t with each intro.
Over the last few weeks it seems like the internet is starting to remember that MS is no worse, and certainly no better, than Sony.
I guess the objective was to have all of these games be almost synonymous with Game Pass?
@get2sammyb Do yall know whether High On Life will eventually come to Playstation? That's the only announcement from that showcase that I want.
Lol real petty.
@Shepherd_Tallon Hopefully that continues because the whole "Microsoft are the good guys" has been one of the most cringe and infuriating trends I've seen on social media these past few years.
@AdamNovice I couldn't agree more.
@Ken_Kaniff Did it have a "Console Launch exclusive" card before the Trailer? If so then yes
It’s really telling that you admit this site received an embargo on it, yet published a blog post to rile people up. Kind of sad honestly.
@Shepherd_Tallon They have been hiding successfully behind the game pass. It is a good value service (especially the vast majority use the loophole of upgrading with 1$) but mainly offering 3rd party independent games (day 1 release). Some people just ignore they have been offering really rubbish games on games with gold for a long time (since gp launch).
But, but... think about the optics! For 48 hours it seems that Xbox is winning 🤣
@mrbone Hiding behind Game Pass more or less sums it up.
Same deal with the "Console Launch Exclusive" rhetoric. It sounds cool and flashy when you see it on the screen but it otherwise tells you "yeah this game is coming to other consoles too...but later."
Can’t get more petty than that. Truly ironic that does nothing except show how much of sleazebag Phil Spencer and his crew are. Thanks for nothing Microsoft.
@AdamNovice Game Pass has made people think Microsoft are the golden boys and can't do any wrong when they are just like any other corporation. It's given them an image that makes them look generous handing out all these big titles for "free" on day 1 as they throw their cash around on studios and third party games for Game Pass to get people interested in the service
It's very manipulating. Wouldn't have made a difference to most of us that follow gaming news well but many that just follow Xbox news or took an interest will fall for it thinking it was exclusive. Seen comments before on social media from time to time when people don't realise a certain game is also coming out to the other platform too until after they used it as bragging ammo.
Lol I don't care about console wars but this is too funny. What in the world did Xbox people even thinking. If you want it to be part of your system then just go all the way and make it timed exclusive, this is too embarassing.
Tbh I'm not impressed by Xbox Showcase, nothing catch my interest at all. I'm never interested in space Elder Scrolls in the first place, but I'm trying to give it a go if Starfield is looking to be a great game but seeing how bland Starfield looks and how bad the framerate was from the showcase, it's just kill any piece of interest of Starfield to me. Also the "1000 planets" sounds like Todd usual *****, bet it's gonna be procedural generated planets with nothing interesting to do.
@Ken_Kaniff Was announced as a "Console Launch Exclusive" so very likely it will at a later date.
Now this is the sort of timed exclusive I can get behind. Those 4 people who were hoodwinked into getting an Xbox within 48 hours and jumping the PlayStation ship only have themelves to blame. If you wanted on PS but pre-ordered on Xbox there is still time to cancel that pre order.
Words cannot express how much I despise this company they've done nothing but make the gaming industry a worse place ever since they bought their way into it. I wish they would just go away forever sleazy scumbags just forever throwing money around because they have no talent to make anything on their own
No big deal to me. I like both systems and Sony does some stupid things too. Looking forward to games coming on both!
Reading some of the hate here is depressing though.
@P3nguinpris0N The embargo has lifted, so we can now talk about this... And it's not to rile people up, as I mentioned in the story, it might help people should a similar situation occur again in the future.
@mrtennis1990 It amazes me how much people online defend Phil Spencer no matter what he does, I've seen Twitter users say you can't criticize him at all because he saved the Xbox brand. He's done some great things for the brand but that doesn't mean he's free of criticism, that is open to everyone
MS really had some people believing they're out to save gaming or something. Not me though, not for one second.
I don't despise the company, far from it, but those in charge of the Xbox division are full of themselves and full of *****!
@Sam_ATLUS To be fair, I doubt Phil Spencer made this decision personally. Just like Jim Ryan, for as much criticism as he deserves, is not involved with the majority of the day-to-day decisions of PlayStation.
Both these people set the culture and hire the people around them, of course, but they're probably not involved in tiny details like this. At least, not directly.
@Col_McCafferty perfectly said. I’m sick and tired of people defending this company and act like nothing can be said about them at all.
I genuinely don’t know why Microsoft would spend extra money just to mild inconvenience consumers. They aren’t even paying for exclusivity they’re just, withholding information for a mere 48 hours. It’s weird.
As someone that likes Xbox and rolls my eyes at some of the users hyperbolic comments here…this was a crappy move that just stirred up drama more than we needed. They should’ve let the companies put out a multiplat statement on Sunday after the Xbox show.
Hopefully smoke and mirrors crap like this doesn’t become a new norm.
Even though he tries to hide it, the flames of the console war still burn in Phil Spencer's soul...🤣
For real though, what a strange idea. I mean if someone is looking for news on the ports of an old PS2 RPG and an old PSP RPG I doubt it's someone who is out of the loop on game news so they are going to find out anyway. All they did was delay that info for a couple days. Did they really accomplish anything with this?
I do appreciate Push Square for being open about this. Kudos to the team!
@get2sammyb I meant the original article published after the Xbox showcase by Robert Ramsey titled “Persona 3, 4, 5 Coming to PC and Xbox, No Mention of PS5, PS4” and the subheading Atluuuussss! Which, if you click on it now, brings you to the article wherein it’s confirmed it’s coming to PS5. The original article doesn’t seem to exist except in the feed.
Shocked by this but not surprised. Not a fan of Phil- especially with the fanboys who get the magic sock out for him. Also game pass is a great service for day one games. But for me it’s just a new way of Xbox drm games from the terrible Xbox one showing.
Timed exclusive announcement yay
What a rediculous thing to do. I hope its a one time thung and they get some sense back...
@P3nguinpris0N We didn't have the press releases at that time, and it was worth reporting on. We can now see how events unfolded:
There's no outrage, and there's no drama. Hopefully that helps clear things up for you.
@get2sammyb I don't think we've had one Jim Ryan moment that has been well handled, the man somehow always finds a way to anger people. I've seen people blame him for decisions made in other Sony branches before. I have no idea how much Spencer is involved in these kind of things but my point about him still stands where people say you can't criticize him no matter what. Kind of amusing just how much of a difference the feeling that PS and Xbox fans have towards Jim and Phil are it couldn't be any different
Lol, literally no one will associate Xbox with Persona despite these marketing ploys. The series has been on Playstation for 25 years. Atlus would be wise to remember that. Microsoft have tried the same with Yakuza over the past 2 years. Its a very petty marketing trick, trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the Japanese market
@get2sammyb I appreciate the response and the timeline of events. I misunderstood that you had received an embargo before the original article.
See?! I knew it. That was the only plausible thing that made sense.
@Sakisa Just like I said the day before yesterday about Xbox doing this on purpose. The only difference is there's proof now.
Sad when Xbox does it, sad when sony does it.
It’s isn’t just social media. I don’t mind too much the media propaganda for a company but the cult of personality selling Spencer like he’s Moses is really cringe. Unfortunately it works in these times. You see it the saviour only does good stuff but the bad stuff it’s always some obscure source whereas Jim Ryan is the Devil responsible for everything.
‘ not the end of the world ‘ lol…EVERYTHING is the end of the world for the vocal PlayStation fanbase when it comes to Xbox. We’ve seen that often enough.
@JJ2 more like the one pulling the strings of the devil , because that’s just how bad he is
On paper the idea of this embargo makes sense however I feel it's ultimately wasted money to have in place . These show cases are generally only viewed by the most hard core enthusiasts and industry people. Those groups of people generally have a good understanding that if a game shown doesn't say exclusive its probably coming to something else . The general public wouldn't even be aware of this till much later anyway making the embargo all the more useless.
Thats just how I see it anyway.
Case in point haha
@get2sammyb @IonMagi Thanks, I believe it did so fingers crossed.
@AdamNovice This absolutely. And not even starting on Gates.
@Cyrus29 But we know that the worst state a game is ever in while being out in the public is on day1.
@Rafie You were right. I don’t know how this makes sense though. Through and through this is a stupid thing to do.
@JJ2 Thankfully it seems like the honeymoon period for Game Pass is coming to an end. It doesn't feel like GP, or Spencer, are getting away with just making nice promises anymore.
@Sam_ATLUS Mr Spencer is a good decoy for gates. But let's not kid ourselves, in the lesser of two evils camp is Ryan. Gates is magnitudes worse. By far.
Idk. From gamers maybe. I haven’t seen any change from the media for 8 years regarding their hero.
@nessisonett That was my first thought too. And if they did they could probably return or flip the console and keep their PS5.
Sony does the same, it's not like something new! Both sides are guilty of similar actions!
@Korgon Good point. PlayStation fans are more interested in hearing about Persona 3 and 4 than Microsoft for certain. Many of us have played them on either PS3 or when they were released originally.
@JJ2 That's a fair point.
Never understood why one of the biggest companies in the world is praised as the company for the underdog. Again people its just a Apple a Google, Amazon cant beat them buy them.
While this is stupid, it's mostly harmless.
No timed exclusivity will ever top the stupidity of Disgaea 6's timed exclusivity, though.
It was available on PS and Switch in Japan at the same time, but was a regional timed exclusive to Switch for like six months... even though you could, like, have a Japanese account and buy it on Playstation if you didn't care about reading.
Phil and Xbox are just hypocrites, if Sony acted like RE4R was a PS5 exclusive you can bet he would shame them for that.
Doesn't Sony do the same thing with multiplats? Why are we acting like this is new?
Neither Xbox or Sony has ever done anything like this on game announcements, obviously until now. Timed game exclusives are a totally different thing.
And for those that say otherwise & give no example you are full of dog crap, and you know it. I own all the consoles PS4 Pro/PS5, XboxOne X/Xbox Series X & Switch, and follow them all. Not even Nintendo does it
Sony does the same thing, no biggie
Give an example!
@I_Go_by_Many_Names I agree. Phil isn’t perfect, and he is definitely guilty of corporate double speak often enough, but when you see what Mattrick did with almost burying Xbox entirely and the moves Phil made to save the brand, I understand why he’s well liked. Helps that he’s largely the one that made the moves that brought me back to Xbox with the legacy content stuff.
Doesn’t make this 48 hour embargo move any less weird and crappy on team Green’s part though.
It was fairly obvious with Al the vague for Xbox and not stating exclusive on consoles and mostly otherwise stating 'launch exclusive' which is some bizarre PR way of saying timed exclusive
Both Sony and Microsoft gatekeep, it's business when all is said and done. The main purpose of both companies is profit
I'm getting annoyed with both platforms and how they're handling multiplats these days TBH. I'm not a fan of MS doing an "embargo of saying a game is coming to platform X", however, I'm unconvinced that Sony has not been doing the exact same thing for quite some time, selectively, going back at least to DQXI not being discussed for Switch despite being the first third party game announced for "NX" due to, quote, "adult reasons."
It's a sucky move, but there's been weird, obviously not quite on the level antics going on regarding this sorts of thing for ages with Sony, we've just never been able to finger them on it directly with embargoed press releases and such since it seems deeper rooted at the partner level, and they keep the charade going for years, not just 2 days.
Same with both companies and "launch exclusives" and "timed exclusives" and Square keeping XB and Nintendo players in the dark forever regarding FF7R, never giving straight yes or no answers and dangling carrots forever. Same with Atlus until now regarding P5R. Same for a number of games.
I can agree with every PS fan here regarding disliking MS doing this, but let's not pretend Sony's not been doing similar things in different ways and both of them haven't been doing it with their weird uncertain timed whatever.
I really don't have any positive feelings toward either of them when they do this, and the awkward indefinite no comment from partners, with both companies, is utterly enraging.
Once upon a time people could tell you to put your tin foil hat on for saying such things, but we've learned from the Apple v Epic case and bringing to light the Sony contract for getting iOS royalties for sales if playtime is mostly on PS, just how deep and entangled (and toxic) the contracts in this industry are. Nothing is really what it seems.
Yes, call out MS for it. But also call out Sony for it. And the partners that tacitly go with the program for both.
Never understood the logic behind this. It's one thing to pay for the trailers to be presented at your own presentation but what good will this do? If the intent is to spark arguments over SNS then it's working and definitely gotten certain fanboys argue.
@sword_9mm next time they’ll call you up for approval of what games they should show off
Typical scummy move from ms
@I_Go_by_Many_Names what more lies and deception? He's called Phil spinster for a reason
A 48 hour embargo does nothing. Leaks will always pour through. It’s wasted money. But then again, these companies sure have a lot of money to waste…
@I_Go_by_Many_Names he did nothing more than convince some of the higher-ups within MS to splash the cash on some shiny new toys. He isn't responsible for a single great game coming into being.
He's a fraud, fake and full of *****. Can't stand his stupid smug grin on his stupid smug face.
Other than all of that though, yeah he's pretty great.
@RiceC03 maybe they assumed they were system sellers and people would order consoles directly from them or like in the case of modern news, put out the story first to a wide audience issue corrections later.
Maybe MS shouldn't be paying for sony's advertisements and vice-versa?
Embargo is fine to me if MS wants to try and make folks believe some games are XB exclusive. They're advertising after all.
Filthy Phil strikes again.
@Rob_230 I fully agree, when people talk about persona playstation comes to mind straight away and always will, it's fanbase is on playstation and will stay that way, especially in Japan.
There's more chance of it being more successful on nintendo than xbox
I jokingly called it 1 day announcement exclusivity. Seems I wasn’t far off.
I’m guessing it’s for the Twitter generation, where news is fashion, disappearing quickly amongst the noise.
@Jimmer-jammer hey man what’s that artwork you have as your avatar?
I went to a rave back in the day and that was on the flyer! Not seen it since but recognised it straight away!
@get2sammyb Whatever Microsoft’s reasoning was to put this embargo in place, it did get you all worked up and wondering if certain games were ever going to come to PlayStation. The Callisto Protocol and Street Fighter 6, both 3rd party games shown on State of Play only mention them coming to PS4/PS5 so how is that any different to what MS did?
When is 48 hours up? We'll get told is coming to Switch at that time!
@eltomo Then 48 hours after that it will be announced for the Ouya.
He isn’t a fake or fraud, it’s just the almost cult like reverence he benefits from that is such an eye-roller.
To his credit though, he never tried to do what others did and blame mattick for everything, he took full responsibility for the complete mess he made of Xbox one:
For me, he is annoying as he’s so, well, corporate America. I know what others say about his (smarmy) face and attitude, but it’s just how guys at that level are.
He’s done some good consumer related stuff but, for me, his focus on safety (boring tech, cheapo subscriptions, rather than true innovation like VR or feature rich controllers for example) means he’s pushing gaming in a direction that doesn’t interest me much.
Still, certainly not a fake. He loves corporate doublespeak, but he doesn’t lie or misrepresent more than others in his position.
@get2sammyb It's strange because Push Square never mention if a game is heading to Xbox as well as PlayStation. 😂😂😂 Seriously, I struggle to think of a single game announcement where you guys have specifically mentioned Switch or Xbox ports.
This is a PlayStation site so I'm not saying you should at all. But why should any platform holder have branding for a competitor in their show or in the aftermath???
@__jamiie I’ve also noticed that. NintendoLife or PureXbox will usually mention other systems a game is coming to at least once in their articles while PushSquare doesn’t.
@sword_9mm yeah it was called the Xbox & bethesda games showcase but most of the games shown aren't made by Xbox or bethesda & are coming to multiple consoles I watched it hoping for news on Xbox franchises like gears of war & crackdown but apart from Forza there was nothing really shown from them (I'm not counting Bethesda games that were already being developed before xbox bought them)
@nessisonett I don't know if pre orders Went live for the games shown but that might've had something to do with it
@banacheck How much do you really follow? Microsoft did the exact same thing with Scarlet Nexus. It was damn near impossible to find out a PS version existed for a while and Bandai only ever maybe 2 times ever mentioned the existence of the PS version. Even Preorder links they would exclude the PS version. Like I had multiple PS5 and PS4 owning friends that thought it was a Xbox exclusive and I had to tell them they can buy the game lol. MS has been doing these dirty tactics. This is almost as bad as Making the next gen Yakuza timed exclusive but not the last gen version lol. MS will do anything to deceive. It's literally what I hate about them. I'm fine with bad communication and I can put up with SOME of Nintendo's scummy ways. But MS is just pure manipulation tactics. Like PS will literally put a time limit on their timed exclusives in their videos and such. MS will make a publisher exclude the other platforms existence when posting anything on the game coming to all platforms same time.
@ErrantRob I thought they'd made the new expansions for teso & fallout 76 exclusive to Xbox I was corrected on pure Xbox but don't know why they didn't list PS4 & PS5 in the trailers at the showcase
@MaccaMUFC @get2sammyb At the state of play of course you don't mention other platforms. As you don't at MS or Nintendo events. Unless maybe MLB the show if it shows on one lol. It's the versions of the trailers released by the publishers and such after that can't mention the other platforms that's the issue. Example, those games were immediately known to be multiplatform after the event lol. Also Sony wasn't calling a bunch of games exclusives.
Here's the difference. SFVI for example is allowed to advertise every version of the game from the start. Immediately. Persona, they just say PC and Xbox despite the press release saying otherwise
@get2sammyb Microsoft paid to delay the the PS5 release of Yakuza: LAD, it's no surprise they would do other weird stuff.
Pretty scummy tactic when you think about it. Some People will be watching and think they're exclusive to Xbox without checking otherwise and then think they have no other option but to play them on Xbox/GamePass.
And with Microsoft 'forcing' it that shows desperation I think. They know GamePass is their last chance to stay relevant which is why they've also been buying big publishers to ensure content, although that's not going so well with barely anything in 2022 and most first party game releases are pretty mediocre so far.
And if it's true that they paid for chip priority then it also adds to it.
@Sam_ATLUS why does everyone always forgive Phil for all the BS he pulls, from saying stuff like "we're making Xbox One X for high quality VR" to saying he doesn't want to take games away from communities (cough*ES6*cough) etc.
He's constantly lied, way more than Jim has done yet it's always forgotten (bigger lies at that).
@NB-DanTE No one has done this before 🤦♂️
@Dodoo It’s a 1952 painting, ‘Galatea of the Spheres’, by Salvador Dali. Depicting his wife, it was apparently inspired by the idea that everything is made up of individual atoms, which never actually touch each other (well, not in the traditional sense). Not surprised to hear you saw it at a rave considering Dali’s proclivity for psychedelic imagery 😄
@frankmcma Which games did MS say were exclusive solely to Xbox? I just quickly ran through the showcase and not once did they say a multi platform title was a console exclusive. A few said they were console launch exclusives, meaning it’s coming to Xbox consoles first but that’s different to claiming it’s never coming to other platforms.
@iKickBullies “Persona, they just say PC and Xbox despite the press release saying otherwise”
But you said this in the previous paragraph
“At the state of play of course you don't mention other platforms. As you don't at MS or Nintendo events”
So you agree each company shouldn’t have to mention other platforms in their own events but then you criticise MS for not mentioning other platforms in it’s own event? You make no sense lol
@Sam_ATLUS the thing that annoys me about Phil Spencer is that whenever Xbox does the slightest thing pro consumer it's all down to Phil Spencer but then on the flip side whenever they do something bad he suddenly isn't the one calling the shots & it's someone else making decisions 🤷♂️
Lied about VR
Lied saying he won't take games away from playstation
Cancelled projects like Scalebound that fans were looking forward to.
Has mostly provided lower quality games at a much reduced cadence from before his current position (NO big first-party release this year despite all the studios they own).
Pushed for GP over anything else as a method to charge their consumers more for mere rentals and vastly reducing support for devs/pubs from consumers.
Convinced gaming media that services like GP is the future of gaming and all we should care about regardless of the problems it presents.
Downplayed the importance of high quality single-player games when both Sony and Ninty were providing them but Xbox wasn't.
Is Just literally buying out studios and whole publishers to succeed against Sony/Ninty.
Continued pushing terrible DRM practices despite the backlash to 2013 and mattrick (who actually provided games despite all that business)
Released two consoles without a single exclusive game to take advantage of the hardware... and still haven't!
But yh he's a Saint of the industry. 🤦♂️
@TheRealPaperKut show me a single instance of Sony announcing a multiplat and forcing publishers to keep quiet about other platforms for days after reveal?
I wonder how much money Microsoft paid to make Atlus look tone-deaf for 48 hours?
@MaccaMUFC did sony prevent the devs/pubs from announcing competing platforms for their games for days after their reveals?
@__jamiie before speaking on something, try to understand what the actual conversation is about... Just a little tip for ya
@MaccaMUFC it's not about MS announcing other platforms... They are FORCING other devs/pubs to keep quiet about their games going to PlayStation, try to keep up with the conversation. 🤦♂️
Seems pretty obvious that Xbox was hoping for gamepass subs or maybe push some XSS unto ppl.
@frankmcma “The two day embargo let thousands of articles go up which made it seem like 30 new and exclusive games.”
This is literally why they do it. It’s just marketing. No big deal. In the end, they’re all just trying to make money.
Nah, i think it's pretty ***** and anti-consumer of them.
@IonMagi The Atlus website now states that P3P and P4G will be coming to PS4 (no mention of PS5), while P5R will be released for PS5 in October:
Most of xbox showcase games is on gamepass, so I'll play most of the games on my series x 😃
If Phil Spencer didn't want to keep games away from other platforms, he wouldn't have bought Bethesda to make their games exclusive, especially not games already well into development like Starfield.
Phil is a master of doublespeak, so you always have to look for the hidden meaning in what he says.
I don't approve of these practices at all, shady as heck.
Oh well, not like there's anything I can do to stop them.
@I_Go_by_Many_Names the media and gamers gave him that nick name. Mans a fraud with a very punchable face.
@viciousarcanum Don't be so rude, condescending and aggressive. Also try not to get so butt hurt over a topic that really doesn't matter.
Ouch. How does that work out for the delusional Xbots on N4G like orchard that have that DLC riddled E3 Showcase placed at an 8/10 lol?
The annual post Xbox showcase placebo high was already wearing off for them. This will make reality set in much faster.
If that showcase was an 8, then PlayStation at E3 2016 was a 26/10.
Why do people put so much stock in where they play their video games? So much so they feel it is appropriate to attack an individual doing a job. It's beyond pathetic. Clearly Phil Spencer lives in some of your heads rent-free.
‘the guy has basically brought the Xbox back from the brink’
That’s completely false narrative spread by the press rewriting history.
The positive you mention are questionable and open to debate.
It’s impossible to list all the lies and bad takes he came up with here and it’s probably easily forgotten since not blown out of proportion like they do with Jim Ryan.
Just a question
Who is to blame for Xbox 1 reveal?
Who is to ‘praise’ for drm upturn and actually good launch?
Who is to blame for Xbox 1 under performing last gen?
Who is to praise for the bunch of exclusives they had at beginning of xb1 ?
What about the DRM this gen?
always the same story. Phil good cult of personality.
Some latest hypocrisy of his is saying he was frustrated before when his show was full of CG in comparison to Sony (as if he wasn’t to blame)
In 2020 he felt really good after watching Sony show and bragged about hardware advantage and amazing line up they would show in CG
@SuperPotato316 People are hoping the switch announcement is being saved for a Nintendo Direct. It's the type of daft thing I could totally see Nintendo doing... I hope it's true though. I mean, I'll play P4 on Playstation if needs be but it's really handy to have 100 hour RPGs in handheld form for me.
Sounds like some pathetic practice.
@frankmcma Which 10 games were labelled Xbox exclusive? All I saw at the beginning of every trailer was World Premiere and Xbox Launch exclusive. I do know what console launch exclusive means has I already explained it in my previous post, if someone didn’t know what it meant than that’s on them, it only takes seconds to type in a question to receive an answer.
Also so what if MS had NDAs on devs/publishers, they won’t of been forced, they’d of been paid and regardless of what you think of the practice at the end of the day it’s all just business and doesn’t affect anyone, it’s not like anyone got hurt right? Not physically anyway lol
Spencer was fully on board on the original all in one vision. Heck you really believe he would have been the one to announce the price if he didn’t like the product? I’m sorry but it’s a completely out of topic conversation that would take forever to go through.
Free to believe in nowadays cult of him but at least read this article carefully and tell me with a straight face Spencer wasn’t involved and didn’t believe in the original vision he was FORCED later to change trying to fix his own crap and dump Kinect taking credit for the cheques his boss made earlier to get those exclusives in development from third party not that he came like a saviour ‘bringing Xbox back from the brink’ silly tale story for children. He actually made it worse during that generation as it went on.
I see you replied even without taking time to read the link but you do you (as you said) Though I’m not fond of using silly cliche trying to look down on people and hinting at being blind. That’s not my intention.
I edited so I repeat in case you missed Spencer made it worse during the course of that generation. I’m sorry but the numbers don’t lie.
Have a lovely day
No that interview shows he believed in the original vision and then it took him a long time to unbundle Kinect which should have been obvious from the start.
Lack of ‘exclusives’ , poor sales compared to original ambition. I think most people at least admit Xbox one was almost irrelevant by the end.
@SuperPotato316 back to port begging I go...
It’s ok man. Tolerate others opinion is exactly the opposite of being fanatics so it’s ok to have different opinions and move on.
You see things differently.
‘I feel good about where we are now …’ is what he said then (in August 2013). What he said for this gen launch line up. What he’s saying. And what he will always say. It’s PR bs and he’s full of it. Facts.
The point of my reply to you was that Spencer was responsible for what happened to xb1 last gen unlike what the press said.
@get2sammyb Calysto Protocol restricted pre-orders to PS only even though it is multi-plat.
Timed exclusives hide the fact they will be coming to other platforms. How long did Kena hide the fact it was even going to be multi-platform even though that was the plan all along? Stray?
@ImGumbyDammit I was gonna say this as well.
Plus, I swear every time I watch a Sony conference that has multiplats they deliberately leave it ambiguous on where it’s coming to so that people associate the game with PlayStation, even if we find out it is multiplat later. This and the timed exclusives thing are both on the same level as this embargo to me.
That just gives me a reason to not return to Xbox after all. Seriously, I may have asked for the port, but that's somewhat scummy
@Jey887 I personally want to see all of them on Switch because I'm the same way. I just wish they'd bring back the Digital Devil Saga games now.
@Jimmer-jammer ah thanks for the info. Thinking about it I probably should have guessed it’s by Dali!
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