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@Deadlyblack It gonna be crazy especially when you realize a lot of cloud infrastructure has scaled up to support this. Thousands of jobs have been created. Hundreds of town have seen a massive income/economy boom solely from this.

If the rumor price of the next Xbox is true. It not surprising… They definitely plan to not sell at a loss, so they don’t really need live to recoup cost.

@Korgon This even isn’t the first time they done this… That strange apart about the whole complaining… Every time they do a Halo 1 overhaul they never give us the multiplayer. Anyone who played Halo 1 remake on 360 knows that the game just launched into the multiplayer for Reach and we just played through that.

Going off that… 343i first project was Halo 1 remake. Now Halo studios first project is Halo 1 UE5 remake… Can’t wait for another 15 years to go by and we get another relaunch of this studio, and we get Halo 1 DX Remake 3. 🤦

Wow. I always thought Sam lake was the CEO of Remedy… Crazy news.

@Nakatomi_Uk Yup. We basically control 30%+ of the global cloud infrastructure market which is a majority share..

@PuppetMaster “ In fact, without Switch version, many devs are avoiding the headache of scalling down their games and can focus more on the best optimization.”

You mean that they can continue to be lazy and not optimize? These low power devices to a lot more for game optimizations than just developing solely for high power systems. When developing for high powered systems all it does is lead developers to rely more on hardware to power through their poor coding.

A recent example is with BF6, Series S, and it lower memory… It forced the developers to actually optimize their software to improve memory management.

If more developers actually developed games for switch or lower power systems… maybe we wouldn’t stick with games want a 5090 to even be payable.

@cainhurst94 @SeaDaVie @StitchJones My comment had nothing to do with performance or a theoretical Switch 2 version out selling the PS5 version… It radical shift we’re seeing in the industry right now. It about the fact that Xbox is imploding in on itself as a brand. No one buying Xbox, people are selling their Xbox, the few who still own Xbox aren’t buying games for it, retailers are removing anything Xbox related from their shelves.

There realistically only two consoles left in the competition (PlayStation and Nintendo) as I’m sure a lot of these chart don’t offer information on PC sales since those aren’t physical.

Developers are really gonna have to start taking in serious consideration of scaling these games enough for Switch or less they’ll be stuck with just PlayStation and PC as Xbox fizzle out. We are starting to see that consideration especially from Japanese companies… It just big western companies aren’t, and funny enough those are the one dying out and selling out to companies like the Tencent and Saudi Arabia. 🤷

“Selling Best on PS5” lol. Until these companies start offering a Nintendo Switch version… It would be hard push for it to not sell best on PS5.

@get2sammyb Wasn't Gears of War available on both Xbox and PS, vs just the Xbox release of Helldivers? (Don't know if they count PC in these sales charts)

@PsBoxSwitchOwner Helldivers 2 was released for Xbox Series X|S on August 26, 2025. This chat is only covering 8/3-8/30. Which means it only counting 4 days worth of sales. It not counting September sales.

I bought a couple thing of the site before… Sad to see it go.

I would be interested in this if it meant that there was potential Switch 2 announcement. I only own the game on the App store for iPadOS. And I don't feel like digging out my iPad Pro M4 to play it...

@Runex2121 Yup. This sell out was always in the books. That why they split the company in 2023 into ea entertainment and ea sports. To make it easier to sell of parts of the company.

@Fiendish-Beaver No, but the games is long, and some of the fights can take hours.

@PuppetMaster Either way… game is old and needs a remake.

@PuppetMaster 2k and 7k is good for a game that came out long ago on top of so many people having already experienced Kiwami before on other platforms… Also, that first just week sales during a time a of couple major releases dropped. Also both Sega and RGG was extremely happy about the sales of the games on Switch, so to update an older game and try to day and date releases of it on Switch 2 has good sales potential.

@PuppetMaster None of the Yakuza games are on Switch besides the one recently announced… and Zero. Switch fan base alone is enough to warrant an update. And while they were. remastered. They was only remaster up to the standard of PS4. It is starting to look extremely out of date since we’re about go in the next generation of consoles.

@themightyant Wasn’t that back in like 2019? It been over 6 years since he had the surgeries? He should more or less be good now.

@Dodoo It may not be hard… But this is game that has been out for how many years now? Some people pick up the Switch 2 or Xbox version as their 3 or 4 copy, and plan to maybe play through it. No one want sit the slog of game so many times in a role. I wanna pick this up for Switch 2 to see how it performs and looks, but I rather not sit through the slog of the game again. After playing through it on PC and PS5. That where stuff like this come in handy.

Ah! So we’re back to comparing hair in the same game running on two different systems… Man, it wasn’t that long ago PC gamers was crapping on consoles gamers for hair looking like that in the console version of games when the PC version had TressFX and hairworks.

Companies are like spoiled children. They rather smash and break their toy rather than watching others kids having fun with them.

@AdamNovice We haven’t had a next gen Resident Evil… Wilds is only on PS5, Series, and PC. Resident Evil Village was on PS4, Xbox one, PS5, Series, Stadia, and PC… and has since come Switch, MacOS, iOS, iPadOS. If you wanted to play village, you could easily found an old VCR Xbox One in a the dumpster somewhere and play it. Same can’t be said for Wilds.

@Max_the_German “ Arrowhead should start development of Helldivers 3 (if they haven’t already).”

Nope. They already said that helldivers 3 is years away, and their next game is an entirely a self funded game with no relation ship to PlayStation.

@Kain40 Yes those games were on console but…

Handheld games ported to console does not make it a console game… A handheld game is still designed first foremost for the platform it intends to be on. Those games were not developed with console in mind… cause during conceptual stage those games was never planned to be on console or PC platforms. You easily tell by the visual, design, and gameplay of those games that they was made for limitations of the vita.

Just like if you port a mobile game to console… it doesn’t just stop being a mobile game. Look at Fantasian, yes it on console, but everything in that game scream mobile game limitation.

Everything about this game shows an actual console game not held back by the limitations of a handheld platform. That is probably why it is not coming to the 150+ million switch consoles which is crazy considering Nintendo platforms was home to some of best digimon games, and they’re wasting resources on Xbox still.

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@Robamuffin @Dragoon1994 World Next Order, Cyber Sleuth were vita games ported to console. Hacker memory was a continuation of Cyber Sleuth and was basically built of the same tech… So still was a handheld game. That also still came to vita.

Digimon survive isn’t in the same category as the mentioned games or this one, and is on Switch…

Digimon Story Time Stranger is not coming any of the Switch systems. There is no handheld version. It was entirely built from the ground up take advantage of the power of PS5, Series, and PC. No last gen consoles either. This first real console digimon game in 20+ years

Not surprising that they putting a lot of effort into this game. This is first console Digimon game in over 20 years

@Nakatomi_Uk Also, Capcom wouldn’t just “lend” out their proprietary engine without probably a very strict NDA, and probably a very high licensing fee. Capcom would also have to open a whole support team to be able to provide engine support to Konami which means pulling resources away from their own development teams.

@Nakatomi_Uk Not even a company like Microsoft that is worth $3 trillion wants to spend the cash on internal engines and training… Hell, no company does. Just cause you make money doesn’t mean it goes back right into unless investment like a proprietary engine. That like tell a gamer to spin up their own data center for game servers instead of renting that space from cloud providers like AWS, Microsoft, Google.. etc Every company has generally moved away from internal game engines… CD Project Red, Square Enix… etc.

Training and onboarding is a massive nightmare. That time spent retooling an engine and training new employees could have been spent on actual game development. Instead of spending 6-12 months training and onboarding, you can now just spend 3-6 months, cutting down development costs of a game

There is reason why the next Halo, Cyberpunk, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Witcher is all being built on UE5. Continue use of the FOX engine would drastically draw up development costs. And it would vastly limit the amount of platform a game can release on.

Good luck bringing a FOX engine game to Switch without massively overhauling the engine for an ARM based device.. Then what happens when you do release a Switch game, and it massively does terrible in sales. Making you reconsider future Switch titles. Which means that entire time you spent retooling for Switch a massive lost investment.

The fact that Xbox and PS are basically twins, the move to UE5…etc is all to keep development cost down. You don’t want $70-80 games, but you want them to create a proprietary engine which in turn increasing development costs 🤦‍♂️

Here come the #CoDIsDead doom comments. 🙄

@Nakatomi_Uk The amount of work that requires generational upgrade for internal engine like the FOX engine… Is why so many companies have moved away from proprietary engines to UE5. It way too much money, and the amount of training to get new employees up to speed on game development using a proprietary engine is ridiculous. Most college students only have UE or Unity experience.

Neither the RE or Decima engine is open to general public use like that. Kojima is allow to use Decima engine cause they are making a game for PlayStation. That probably is why Kojima next game with Xbox is using UE5, not Decima.

@Nakatomi_Uk That easier said then done considering there basically no other options on the market… What are they going to use? Unity? 🤣

@johnedwin Cause the argument of the purchase was that Bungie would retrain full independence under Sony(PlayStation) while providing independent guidance for Live Service games. Bungie would only lose that independence if they failed to meet project deadlines and profit goal… Both thing Bungie has failed to do since their purchase gone through. Bungie has also failed their agreement to provide Live Service guidance as Sony has legit failed to launch any really successful live service games.

@EfYI Soon? It took FH1 and FH2 10+ years before their server closed… We’ll talking about FH8 or 9 before any of the recent FH servers close. Microsoft typically keep their servers active for a very long time cause they don’t have to rent the space from another company.

lol… at all the VR comments. VR is dead for this game. PlayStation ain’t footing that bill no more.

@Odium TBH... I think these people on this site is in the minority. I had almost heard nothing but fantastic praises about Infinite from friends, family, and just the general public. It sits at a 94 on metacritcs, and won multiple awards. Elizabeth is generally considered one of the most beloved and memorable companions in gaming history. Some people are just mad that it didn't have the same "horror" element found in the first 2... But that still haven't stopped it from being the best selling game in the franchise

Most developers are wage slaves anyway? Most studio are in overly expensive areas where even 100k a year is living on poverty line. We hear non stop about the long hours, crunch, poor conditions and environment, harassment… etc. Just cause they work in better looking building than a McDonald’s.. and can add PlayStation or Xbox to their resume doesn’t make them above wage slaves.

Since the inception of the helldiver IP. An ODST crossover always made perfect sense. Glad that it finally happening. May give me a reason to hop back in since release.

@shedX75 With the way this industry is… You can’t get comfortable. Big tech over the last decade has shown us they’re not jobs you really retire from. If you’re not consistently thinking about your next move, you’ll get left behind.

@Bionic-Spencer They’ve already have two other projects greenlit. One that they was working on along side hellblade 2, and another that recently greenlit.

@UltimateOtaku91 “ Great to see, hopefully this becomes the COD killer we need.”

Battlefield has been trying to be the CoD killer for last 15+ years… This one ain’t going to be it. We still have to hope it not broken on the release like the last couple battlefields.

@TheArt “I was looking forward to them building on their open world yet they decide to go backwards”

I glad they went backwards… Mafia 3 was absolute broken mess. Mafia: Definitive Edition wasn’t any better. Hanger13 can’t make a mafia game to save their lives… So taking a step backwards to evaluate things was a smart idea.

@Markatron84 Usually tool development cost is a one time thing that can reused for multiple games, and Sony tend to not keep their game server up for very long. At least with LBP they made their money back. They made 3 LBP, a spin off move game, a spin off kart game, ported the first game to PSP... That would crazy to make all of that for a franchise that was not a financial success.

Dreams on the other hand... probably not.

@Markatron84 Little Big Planet was their bona fide hit… Each game has sold multiple million copies, and has gained several awards. It probably help that MM isn’t a large studio.

Sack boy was basically was PlayStation adorable tiny mascot for the PS3 generation. He has now been replaced with Astro Bot.

But that probably why we’re see all these founding members leave the last couple of years after Dreams…MM next game is probably their last of it doesn’t do significantly well.

@nhSnork “ Speedstorm's own racer/crew capsules would have news for you”

That must have been something new they add…

“ Capsules were first introduced in the 7th Season.”

Ah. Yup. They completely changed their system post beta, post early access, and almost a year after free to play launch… So, my information is outdated as I dropped the game season 5-6.

Freemium games doesn’t make a game a gacha… I was strictly talking about gachas. And not just freemium purchases your character micro transactions games. Games where literally base core concepts rely solely on rolling for characters (Genshin, Honkai, Zenless, ArKnight, Wuthering Waves… etc)

Bleach: Brave Souls is recent release for switch so I didn’t release that came to the platform.

@shiningpikablu252 " Can't say Switch 2 chances got completely killed (we don't know exactly just how much more a base PS4 is holding things back than a PS4 Pro), but I'd estimate the shots just got longer..."

Grant, if any of these games was gonna come to Switch... They wasn't going to use the console/PC fork of the game. They would use the mobile/ARM version of the games. You won't port a x86 to ARM, you port ARM to ARM. Switch 2 should have no probably running any modern ARM code at max settings.

PS4 support being drop isn't surprising. PS4 is the weakest x86 version of the game, and the support just isn't there vs say supporting a lower tier ARM version since the mobile code will still be viable in the future due to low cost mobile phones still releasing on the market.

There must be something else going in the back ground other than just performance reason for Genshin to not to come the Switch. None of the major other gacha have release on the platform, and for a system that is that did as well as the Switch... that is very strange. Star Rail hasn't even released on the Switch, and that not open world, and more linear Persona turn base style game play.

@rjejr “ And it's not just the Gatcha as Switch 2 has Fortnite and Disney Speedstorm”

Those aren’t gacha games, you pay money and you get what you want in those games… you aren’t endlessly spinning a wheel in the hopes you eventually get what you want like with gacha. There are actual no gacha games on Nintendo system. There are a few games with gacha like systems like Xenoblade Chronicles 2. But actual no full gacha…

@SillyG "Couldn't they have just charged another tenner and given us a cartridge?"

Then you run into the issue of people complain about "x" games being more expensive on Switch which would anger far more people than just those who are upset about key card games. We don't need more Nintendo tax situations.

@Lowdefal “ It's more that they don't do it for AAA games, and as big as DQ is it's not a AAA game.”

The correct answer, is that they don’t do turn base for AAA aimed at the west. The modern day FF are more popular in the west than Japan. While Dragon Quest is a vastly more popular franchise in Japan vs the West.

@SeaDaVie It wasn't exactly no man's land... Nintendo was also out there with them in $80 game land.

What live service genre havent WB not touched yet? We’ve had MMO, we’ve had whatever suicide squad was, we had a moba… I guess we haven’t had a hero shooter and a 2.5D fighter

TBH… I wouldn’t mind a sequel to Gotham knights.