Reaction: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly of Today's PS5 News

I'm still baffled they didn't show Sackboy and Destruction AllStars in favor of Fortnite, yet another FNAF, and DMC5SE. Destruction AllStars in particular needed a big showing and we got borderline nothing.

And this event should have been MUCH longer than 40 minutes. I'm all for showing lengthy demonstrations of games, but some of them either went on for way too long or shouldn't have been there.

Mixed feels. Sony is right that particular games move hardware. BotW sold so many Switches, etc. But, today’s trailers didn’t grab me. Worse, they felt like filler. Like the PS3 announcement that dragged on because they knew the price was high. I wanted to hear about the platform. I am worried it is half-baked. Show the boot sequence and launching a game. Show how backwards compatibility works, movie playback (does PS5 support Dolby Vision for UHD?), what new features will the OS have? Show a teardown of the console. Why is it mid September and it’s a mystery? It shakes my confidence. The event could have been 3 hours.

The price hikes in Europe and UK must be a mistake, either that or they will have to rethink this surely. People will simply not be prepared or even able to pay that much for games.

I want to see more about the console.

Would of been cool if the games trailers launched from the PS5 home screen.

Still no news on pre orders which was rubbish.

No confirmed game dates for luanch.

Seemed as if Sony was forced to do this presentation earlier then it wanted to.

At least Microsoft is more transparent to its customers.

Price wise it was as I expected to be honest so happy with that.

"While none of us would have predicted it from the jaw-dropping reveal trailer, it will undeniably result in compromises, regardless of what the company’s top brass say."

Those compromises have been there from day one of development, because none of these games started development before PS5 hardware was finalized!

BTW, Sony now says they will support the PS4 for the next 3-4 years.

I expect most games that dont require the SSD speeds, to come to PS4 for that window, with visible load screens.

This is good for everyone. Those games wont be held back, sales wise, by an install base that might never reach PS4 levels, and more casual gamers that dont care to upgrade will still get to play those games.

This was an utter failure. The event was amazing, and Sony screwed up big time with so much post event. I can’t believe how badly pre orders went. Absolutely insane!

I have been a long time Sony fanboy, but there’s no defending this. I’m extremely disappointed - I guess on the bright side, Sony just saved me 500$ this year.

All the post showcase news has made me feel better about getting an Xbox first. I can play Miles Morales on PS4 and get a PS5 next year, by then Sony might have a clear idea of what they're doing.

The prices for games are ridiculous. In Australia, Demon Souls is $119 at Amazon, and they're pretty much the cheapest.

While I've already preordered a PS5, also getting an Xbox and Gamepass subscription is looking better and better.

@I_Like_It I think the presentation was ready to go, what was a last minute decision was likely scheduling per-orders for tomorrow (and terribly orchestrated because everyone went out and opened them today and now eBay is full of scalper listings.)

They likely were planning to release their pre-orders either the same day as XBox or later, and wanted to make sure they came in a week ahead.

Not gonna lie, it genuinely feels like Sony is going out of their way to pull the wool over our eyes. There is no reason whatsoever why Spider-Man, Sackboy, and Horizon could not have been announced as coming to PS4 back in June when they were announced.

Oh, and can't forget that for a short while today, it was believed that Demon's Souls was coming to PC and "other consoles" before Sony pulled the trailer and confirmed that it's a PS5 exclusive. Gee, what an odd mistake to make. I can't help but wonder whether Sony was actually just being accidentally honest, but heaven forbid they not have us prospective PS5 buyers believe that Sony's exclusives will remain exclusive. I mean, it's not like they've outright stated their commitment to putting first party games on PC, is it? Oh, wait...

Gotta say, my trust for Sony is pretty low right now. Things have definitely changed over there since Jim Ryan took over.

I still find it kind of frustrating they're attempting to hide the fact that FFXVI is coming to PC when it was literally mentioned twice on a livestreamed presentation in front of thousands of people

Square/Sony should come clean. At least Microsoft's honest about that stuff

Maybe another showcase before launch ?

@art_of_the_kill "There is no reason whatsoever why Spider-Man, Sackboy, and Horizon could not have been announced as coming to PS4 back in June when they were announced."

I dare bet that they were never planning to release these games on PS4.

They likely noticed that demand for XBox Series consoles is high despite MS being committed to make their games available on the older hardware, and decided that they can get away with shipping any game that can run on PS4 hardware with minor sacrifices without the PS5 demand going down. At the same time, they get to sell more copies of the games. Seriously, 100 million install base will be hard to ignore for years to come.

I mean, despite this reveal, the pre-orders already evaporated!

At least they announced this at the same time as the pre-orders. No one pre-ordered under false pretenses. And even if someone did, the pre-order can be canceled.

Concerned about the raise in prices for games? In Brazil, the new price is ~33% of minimum wage. They went from R$ 249.99 to R$ 349.99 - around 40% more expensive.

If the rumors are true about Sony initially wanting $600, I can imagine that they shifted the difference to the first party games.
So I wonder if the choice was $600 console and $60 price vs $500 console and $70 games.

This has been a poor poor showing from Sony when you read the fine print. The greediness is pretty shocking and yes, I know MS aren’t much better but Game Pass gives them the better narrative. Some great games no doubt, but their marketing has been a gigantic flop.

After the conference my hype was sky high but ever since then with every thing we've been hearing my hype is getting lower and lower and its mainly due to the price of the games.

I knew and was expecting them to go up but not by that amount. I can not afford to be spending that amount on games. £70 is just too much, especially when you add to the already pretty expensive cost of the ps5. I don't even want to think what the digital prices will be.

I'm in the US so I can't speak to the UK price hike. Over here games are going from $59.99 to $69.99, so a simple $10 increase (or 16.67%). Looking at Amazon UK it seems that most games are £59.99, and they're bumping it to £79.99, which would be a 33% price hike.

WTF is that all about?

@get2sammyb "There have been some surprises today, yes, but don’t get suckered by the Internet drama that’s often manufactured and overwrought."

Fair, its safer to wait and see. But a lot of the fanbase did get a hell of a field day with the whole "we believe in generations" messaging, that we can now Sony themselves did not buy into.

It still will be hard for Sony to ignore 100 million installed PS4 consoles. They already announced plans to port games to PC because they want to maximize PlayStation Studio software unit sales, not just hardware.

If they can support the console without sacrificing, its very likely their executives will demand they do so, just not with every title, and there is little reason for them not to do so.

I gotta believe that with Destruction All Stars and Sackboy being launch titles, an extended demo must be planned for them in an upcoming State of Play.

Here is a question that I am still not clear:
If i buy Miles Morales for PS4 for $60
Get a PS5
Insert that disk
Do I get a PS5 upgrade?
Will it be free?
Can I "game" the price increase this way, at the expense of having to download the full installation on the PS5?

@get2sammyb "but I’ve never fully understood how things work in the US"

It's on a state by state, even city by city basis. It's annoying because you are expected to kinda know the local tax (potentially city + county + state) even if you are just passing through. The cashier will charge you, and the receipt will note the tax, but hard to argue if you are not a local. Mostly hard to plan ahead, safe to assume you will have to pay 10% extra so you have enough cash to pay, if paying cash.

Highest average sales tax is 9.53% in Tennessee, because that state has no income tax. There are 5 states that don't collect sales taxes.

So, I guess if you buy one of these games in Tennessee, the cost is going up from $65.70 to $76.66.

It’s disappointing that after we believe in generation talk horizon fw and spidey mm will released on ps4, also what’s with demons souls come to pc text? Also there’s no ui demo or anything, the price is fair though so overall I rate this show as good.

@get2sammyb We do pay sales tax on top of the retail price, it varies by state, but it's not anywhere near THAT much. For example, I live in Texas where sales tax is 8.25% (one of the highest in the country), so a $59.99 game ends up being $64.93 after tax.

It's still weird that we don't know anything about the ps5's UI

£80 a game on PS5? That's insane.

PS5 exclusive game prices are extortionate and greedy.

We've receeeed back to the 2007 arrogant Sony. I'll go for Xbox on day one this time.

I wish I had lowered expectations like fans of the other console. Neither side has shown me much but Xbox fans are gleeful while Sony fans seem ready to welcome COVID as a means to end it all.

All the price hike means to me is that I wont be buying anything new anymore. Will stick to purely psn sales. On the plus side, gives me more time to chip away at my backlog. As for the system pricing itself, being Canadian, it is rather pricey. So wont be getting an upgrade anytime soon.

This is the problem with game prices not increasing with inflation. Games have effectively more than halved in price since the 16-bit days. Games tended to be £50 which is the same as £100 today. So we'd pay for games that lasted about 2 hours and be happy with it being 100 quid. My parents got me Super Street Fighter II and it was £65, or £130 in modern £GBP. Fast forward and I got Street Fighter IV for £35 brand new, almost a quarter of the price.

We've all got used to this, and it's shocking how many people don't seem to realise the value of money goes down over time and don't realise how insanely cheap games have become. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to pay £75 for a game either but that's less than what we used to pay. It just seems so bad since games were price locked for so long despite being more expensive to make and having far more content. I don't expect retailers to actually charge this much, though. Games are £60 on PSN but I usually pay no more than £40. If you get a digital-only PS5, though, you're screwed.

Wait... Is that real? Am I going to have to pay $125 CAD for a ***** video game?

Thankfully for Malaysia, games prices are set by Sony Malaysia and not currency so this issue doesn't affect us Malaysian much.

I was expecting a short teardown trailer or a explosion look at the internals ... Oh well. But the price for games is insane, I think most EU contryies have their VAT around 20% so that's why, but maybe not, because the PS Price for 499€ it's before tax. It looks like I will buy more digital games on my US account than using my european one.

Will wait for beta testers, more games and a price drop, $500 and the increase of price for everything it’s a lot for something that looks almost the same to what I already have, I honestly don’t understand how everyone it’s fine with all this when you can hardly see a difference between PS4 and PS5 games

The presentation left me with more questions than answers.

What is the UI like? What is the create button? How fast do games load? Will the playstation plus collection be expanded? Where is the list of PS4 games (if any) that will benefit from being played on PS5?

Not impressed with the price hike on games. Im in Australia where the standard edition AAA games are already on that $99.95 AUD barrier and can go up to $160 and over for special editions. Imagine seeing a premium edition digital day one game on the psn store selling for $200 AUD. Crikey. For some extra skins and an artbook or soundtrack? Nope.

@Matroska I agree. The facts and thruths are there for all to see, even though it is admittedly still hurtful. We all love gaming and it is a passionate hobby for most, but there are definitely more important things to spend your money on.

The good thing is we still have options which I will implore people to consider. Waiting for a sale, or better yet, waiting for the inevitable complete edition to release with all extra content will be the way to go for many this coming generation.

I will suggest only preordering a game from your favorite developer for example.

Just my thoughts as I understand the rise in prices but I am still not happy to see it.

Oh soon as i heard the news that all these first party games would now be cross gen for the next few years, that made my decision easy. Im not spending 500 dollars for a bump in frame rate and resolution on these titles. I knew there was a reason all these titles looked like they could run on a PS4.

Is anybody actually happy to have a new console? All i'm seeing here is a lot of unhappy people that sony have not catered for and they are feeling a bit hard done by..£449 for a next gen console (very good value for money) but the games will be a bit more expensive..is sony supposed to make money on this venture or should sony just let everybody have this new tech for next to nothing? I understand that not everybody can afford this but c'mon guys get real..if you dont want it dont buy it..i'm buying it and i'm buying the games and then i am going to enjoy every last minute of it...

I admit it I’m a Sony fan. Sony has already gave me 25 years of gaming excellence and it won’t change now. I used to pay Mlt 35 for ps1 games therefore equivalent to 80 euro. Therefore games prices have been lower. For the industry to survive to get more excellent experiences we must contribute as well. I’m 44 years in two months and most probably this will be the last console I’ll enjoy. PlayStation has brought gaming to the masses unthinkable when I think of my youth. Now you can critic the pricing the service and the content bit I think Sony has delivered a pure experience many tried to copy none have achieved.

Well preorders are already a bit of a fiasco after Sony saying people will have advanced warning and sending out emails to register interest, yet still shadow dropping preorders and here in the UK doing so late at night? I won't be buying many games if any at £70 and its odd that some are cheaper. We still don't know how well it handles backwards compatibility and what if any enhancements we'll get. That said the games, especially next year are looking great

@lixei32 i will be 48 years young this october and i'll be a gamer till the day i die...could be the last console i purchase but never say never..and if the wifes cooking is anything to go on i may not make 48...

@Matroska

But what you are not adding to that is most full priced AAA games also have microtransactions.

Yeah bit odd that Sony said people will have plenty of notice on preorders and then just dropped them like that.

Less worried about game cost because retailers already sell titles below RRP so it has to be asumed this will continue.

While there is no way i will be dropping the kind of money being talked about on this thread on a single game i'd be surprised if we will be asked to (beyond the initial launch titles).

But this is a reason NOT to buy the digital system where Sony can control pricing. I expect this is how they can subsidise the cost of that machine.

I think we can say the hints have been there for a while. 2K already said their titles would cost more next gen. And i wonder how much Shawn Layden knew when he gave that interview saying that there needed to be more shorter experiences as the cost of game development is unsustainable. Will we have a future of more Miles Morales length games selling for less? I wouldnt be surprised

@Matroska While corporations love repeating that mantra, and consumers for some reason feel the need to help them reiterate it all over the internet like a step cousin of the Net Neutrality mess, that's not true as stated. All things don't just infinitely increase in price until the end of time because "inflation." Inflation is the devaluation of the dollar as a currency (or pound, yen, whatever), it is not inherently linked to consumer buying power, nor is it related to convenience, luxury, goods etc (in fact it's linkage is inverse. there.)

Commodites are pegged against inflation. Video games are not a commodities market. Video games are a luxury item, or mass market consumer good, depending on how you categorize them. As an entertainment/luxury good, they are tied to disposable income alone.

Now as a result of said inflation, consumers have less disposable income than in the past. Inflation has caused commodities including housing, food, fuel, and anything connected with that including transportation to dramatically increase in cost. Wages, from minimum wage through salaries have not on average increased along with inflation, and post 2008 many salaries were decreased, or suppressed either through outright pay cuts, or indirectly through eliminated or deferred raises, which qualify as pay cuts. Most of that never was restored. And now on top of that there's COVID. But even before COVID, disposable income for the average consumer was less than it was a decade or two ago.

Thus the inverse mentioned. A luxury or consumer goods market can bear price increases less due to inflation. That disposable income it depends on is consumed by other inflationary factors.

Now if the games industry were losing money regularly this would be unavoidable. Price increases or reduced expenses would be a must. But the industry itself has driven its own cost increases in production as justification for both market expansion and driving sales volume up. And it worked! Find me a major gaming company that has not shown significant profit increases over the past decade YoY! THey're spending more to cast a wider net, to get higher returns overall from a bigger market.

This is greed. Charging more because "whales" will pay it, and maximizing returns. Not because it's essential for overall economic purposes. What it will result in is market contraction in terms of sales volume. Gamers were simply buying MORE games with a certain amount of money, and with an increase will reign in that spending to buy fewer games and spend the same money.

This works well for AAA(A) publishers. They've moved to a model of producing very few games of a GaaS format and monetizing it extensively. By raising prices and forcing consumers to reduce the quantity of games purchased while consuming the same amount of disposable income, what they're doing is forcing out smaller competitors from the market. THey know they have the big must-have games, and if those games consume the spending of most consumers, people will still buy those AAA(A) games, but buy less A, AA, indies etc. It goes beyond the greed of $10, and has nothing to do with inflation. It's about forcibly contracting the market in favor of themselves as the "last man standing" to gain an increase in total market share by shrinking the market.

Gamers overall aren't going to be paying more for games. We'll buy less games overall. And the ones we buy will therefore be focused around the major publishers alone.

If the preorder debacle is anything to go by, though, this won't matter for quite some time. Half the $70 games will be $40 by the time any of us have a machine to play them on

Good write-up. I agree with everything. It's important for them to get their messaging straight. Even the Demon's Souls blunder on PS blog hurt them I think. It just got confusing really fast. And yeah, those prices... Great launch line-up, and amazing first year if they all make it, but those prices. At least they often drop in price really fast, and can be found cheaper as physical copies as well.

It was ok at best.

We still don’t know what the UI looks or most importantly for me, how backwards compatibility works and if it’s 100% of PS4 games.

I’m not preordering until that is revealed.

@Tharsman So in theory you could live in a state with no income tax, and do your shopping in a neighbouring state with little to no tax on goods?

Sony has said demon soles will be 69.99 us dollars so not as bad as you made it out to be but still bad

bar spiderman, I wasn't feeling many of the games on show. I was also disappointed with the ps plus collection too. I honestly thought they were going to throw in ps now alongside plus but alas nope. just a bunch of games I've already more or less completed.

I thought this was a great showcase but I am concerned at how many of these games are on PS4. I understand it’s great business sense- target that huge market but I see that as little reason to buy a PS5

@Octane yeah but taxes are a lot more complicated than @Tharsman @GeneJacket are making it out to be. I mean most US consumers really don’t pay that much attention. Most think it’s just “state sales tax”. However, some places have more than just state sales tax, taxes can be city, state, and county. For instance, Grand Junction, CO and Palisade, Co have two different tax rates. Also taxes vary by product type. Food for home use usually has less of a tax rate than other items, etc. But yes, you can do your shopping at a state with no sales tax.

If you think $79.99 is bad. Wait till you see the exchange rate in Canada. At this rate I can afford a new game every quarter.

Recently the ERP of exclusives was € 75 so the € 80 price tag for PS5 games is not a big surprise to me.

@mousieone That just sounds unnecessarily complicated. I'm kinda glad it's included over here, because you pay the price you see, no hidden expenses.

@andreoni79 That's digital only, no? I hope retailers can keep the cost of games down. I generally save 10-20% by pre-ordering physical games. So I hope that will continue. I have absolutely no problem paying €60-70 for God of War. But the same price for some of the smaller titles like Sackboy is just not right.

On one hand games price rises have been coming for a while. I paid £50 for Perfect Dark and Majoras Mask on N64 in 2000. PS2 games were all £40 each. That was 20 years ago. This is why we have DLC and IAP: devs need to recoup the costs of development.

On the other a £70 cover price is very off-putting. £50 for the game plus £20 for DLC is a little easier to swallow.

@Octane I bet PS5 games on discs will be € 60-80 as they were € 50-70 on PS4. Thankfully we have many ways to save money and my favourite remains the "Wait few months and get it fully patched at half the original price".

All is lovely until you realise that if you actually want to buy a game you need to remortgage the house 🤣🤣

Couldn't disagree more with the article. It's only natural that ps5 games would cost more than NES games that were made in a few months by much smaller teams.

"but learning that Horizon Forbidden West, a tentpole title, is targeting 2013 hardware as well is a huge kick in the teeth"

I found this part hilarious. A game also being available on ps4, where most ps owners will be for many years because they can't afford to buy a new console at launch is a kick in the teeth? Give me a break. You sound like you're sitting looking for things to be offended by.

What isn't a kick in the teeth these days?

I think Sony and MS are in almost the same position, but MS have handled it so much better. Both consoles are the same price, both consoles will have mostly stuff you can already play on your current console (at least Sony has some next-gen only stuff), and both are likely putting the price of a new game up.

Sony shouldn't have made a big deal out of next-gen is next-gen if they knew they were going to be putting so many of these games on PS4. MS said this was always their plan, but with Sony it feels like they've made a U turn.

Game Pass also makes the £70 (still can't believe that) price of a new game easier to swallow. Most people won't be buying MS first party games day 1 as they will be on Game Pass.

Another thing against Sony is the pre-order situation. They told people don't worry we'll give plenty of notice. Well, a lot of people will just get their news from a website once a day. They'll probably see the news about the price and date sometime today, but it sounds like pre-orders have already started this morning, and in some places last night?

As the article said, I also hate how little of the system features we know about. People have said they will put blog posts up about those in the coming weeks, but pre-orders are today. The whole backwards comparability situation seems really shady to me. Why are you telling us in your showcase that Fortnite is coming to PS5 when we already know everything on PS4 will be on PS5?

@Rob_230 Maybe because that's the first round? So if you haven't preordered yet, you'll be able to next week? Just a thought

Well let’s take a barometer of the massive feel good factor Microsoft produced with their recent announcements and then look at this embarrassing display of self indulgence shall we?

It’s the same cycle of one company being ahead and thinking they can stay there by doing more of the same, the ps plus collection is a pathetic answer to gamepass, how they haven’t come up with some sort of reboot for PSnow/plus is beyond me and shows how arrogant they are and ignorant to the fact that the landscape is changing.

Never in a million years did I think I’d be leaning towards Xbox but everything they’ve done to improve their services, and increase their portfolio of exclusive devs is impossible to ignore.

People buying physical games for £70 they often sell them anyway so not sure why people are complaining. Players want bigger and better games these come at a cost

I'll definitely get one when I can, fingers crossed I can take my digital PS4 library across to PS5!

If we are looking at value for money in what the different platforms are offering there is only one winner its not Sony.

Sony are relying on everyone this generation staying with them without offering a really good incentive. If you stand still you get left behind

@koffing exactly

The releaseprices of games and consoles only matter when you feel the need to buy day one.

The wonderful Black Friday etc.
Come on folks! Y'all should know by now the only way to tell a company what you think is voting by your wallet.
And while lots of folks may complain, those same folks still go ahead and pay full price for things, basically shooting themselves in the foot.

PlayStation records billions of profit. No this is not breaking even or profit based on the initial prices. They focus on increasing the profit on top of the existing profit.

It's a very healthy company and all this nonsense about needing to raise prices of software is marketing jargon. They just confuse people with made up reasons for raising their prices.
Up to folks wether to believe it or not.

it feels exactly like the PS3 launch... and we know how that went.. Sony have already lost this coming generation... resting on its laurels, taking advantage of its customers and providing poor value for money... simply not aggressive or imaginative enough.

Bring back Kaz!

Oh well... bring on next next gen! (maybe we'll start hitting 60FPS / 4K as standard then...)

@Octane Canada is much more straightforward. 10 provinces. 3 Territories. Each one has a sales tax rate. I pay 13% in Ontario, whereas Alberta only pays 5% Many basic, staple grocery items have 0% tax countrywide, like milk and bread.

I'm looking at these next gen game prices, which are listed at $90. Now add 13% in Ontario and you've got $101.70 That's eye-watering for one new game. Alberta isn't much better at $94.49 😰

These prices are for digital on the store...
So expect games to be around £15 cheaper in retail

CAD$101 is stilll only €65; we pay €80, that's about CAD$125..!

I remember at launch the ps4 games were going for €79.99 and there was OUTRAGE of course, but after the first year the launch prices of games went down to what they are now.#

So, wouldn't worry about the prices of games in the future again. Obviously its a pain in the balls for people who want they system at launch, but them the breaks of early adopters. If you want games on day one in the first year, expect to pay for the privilege (god i hate that word, lol).

As for me, I'm trilled some of these ps5 games are coming to ps4 too. I can hold off for a year or 2 or 3 this gen.

I feel totally pissed at Sony. It’s taken months to get a price and release date out of them (understandable on some level but still). So they revealed it last night and I went to bed as I was up early for work. I wake up to find out UK preorders appear to have sold out everywhere. Cheers for that. Does that mean I can still get one for release date? Does it mean I can get one for Xmas? Does it mean I can even get one this year? Will preorders come back online? That fact that I’m not sure on any of these questions is ridiculous.

The actual livestream seemed great, but the details coming to light afterwards are bad. Prices are the biggest problem. Getting a launch console with a few games is too much for me. Then there's their muddy messaging. I'm all for releasing games on both current and next gen consoles, but Sony shouldn't have done their "We believe in generations" rhetoric if they were going to do that.

Ime not even gona bother anymore $500 for the PS5 is fair enough but $70 for a game is taking the piss specially for hard working people like myself that have Bill's and rent to pay that simply cant afford to shell out $70 for a game and since I've a PS4 anyway and with Cyberpunk and Black Ops 5 out in November why would I want a PS5? Seems us normal people who are'nt on mega wages have been forgotten about

@RBMango

Marketing small firstparty titles.

@readyletsgo And if you look around you can get them for €60 or lower.

@RIGORR_MORTIS Dont people have different stores around in the US you surely have some options look on the internet you can probably get them quite a but cheaper. I never had too pay the price that Sony was going for.

@Flaming_Kaiser Yup, pretty much after the first year of ps4 games settled into their own price, depending on how big they were I guess.
But around €60 is what i pay for any game on the switch, ps4 or xbox (seldom) for a day one release.
Prices go down at least 2 months after that.
But everyone knows this, so, whats the problem lol

@Shepherd_Tallon what happened was websites, including pushsquare, making up problems for clicks. And most people are easily influenced no matter what they tell themselves.

@80sGamer in what way?

BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY. The one thing we know nothing more about despite consoles now being open to pre-order. Which of my current games will play on the PS5?!

@RIGORR_MORTIS "Ime not even gona bother anymore $500 for the PS5 is fair enough but $70 for a game is taking the piss specially for hard working people like myself that have Bill's and rent to pay that simply cant afford to shell out $70 for a game"

And why can't hard working people like yourself buy the games they want a few months later, exactly? I have enough disposable income to get all the games I want, but I don't. I wait for a price cut and I enjoy them just fine when I do eventually get around playing.

You'd have a point if these Ninty games that almost never go down in price.

The price was always going to go up for games but that is quite the hike. @get2sammyb for cross gen games such as HZD2 could we not just buy the PS4 version (£30 cheaper) then just put it in the PS5 and get the free upgrade thus saving the price difference????

I kinda think Sony face planted this showcase actually. There are two first party release games, Destruction Allstars and Sackboy's a Big Adventure we saw nothing of, at all. Yet we saw more of Oddworld? Really? It's been the same game for 25 years, and we saw more than enough at the reveal event. Why did we need to see Fortnite again?

The next-gen / cross-gen situation is horribly muddled now. So Spider-Man Miles Morales is cross-gen after all, as is Sackboy and Horizon: Forbidden West. What about Ratchet & Clank? GT7? Returnal? God of War Ragnarok? I thought Sony believed in generations. What happened to that? Developing on the PS4 as well absolutely will have limited what could've been achieved with those games. Not saying it's a bad thing, as those who can't be on PS5 at launch won't be left in the cold for new games... but it is at odds with what Sony's previous communications have been.

The lack of UI in the show is baffling as hell at this point. It has to be ready because they are shipping the damn things right now, and they'll be installing the OS. So why haven't they shown it? Again for me that's a face plant moment. There's simply too much about the experience of owning a PS5 that they've not shared, and this close to launch? That seems mental to me. They have so, so much more they need to show still.

The price of games... ouch. I think we could be looking at the next console gaming crash, I really do. Jim Ryan wants the fastest adoption rate ever? Not at €80 a game you won't Jimmy Boy. This just shows to me that Sony need to very rapidly realign their PS+ and PS Now services into something that can compete with Game Pass, because if they don't they'll struggle. Those price hikes are exhorbitant.

And finally, the pre-order mess? What the hell were they thinking? They didn't give us a date, they just started a free-for-all and it's a mess. They promised they wouldn't just drop it on people, well they did, and that's unacceptable in my opinion. Not that the Standard Edition here in Sweden is going to sell at all with it being marked up at pretty much 6000 SEK (or £525, $680 or €576). For comparison the Digital Edition is way cheaper at 4100 SEK, to the point where it seems like they are trying to kill physical in Scandinavia.

But hey, Demon's Souls looked nice, right?

@Mostik I don't think there will be free upgrades, I now think this is why Sony were so ambiguous. There's no free upgrade of Miles Morales it seems. So why would there be for any of their other cross-gen games, which at this point could be all of them.

@naruball I dont agree a lot with you but you are right wait a little and get games at a discount.

@naruball I agree with not buying all games day 1, in fact I urge people to never do that, because some games ship in a terrible state. Some are never fixed. However, at those prices... Sheesh... I do think ultimately that's going to cut down on the amount of games purchased. And for the industry that might back fire. Last time games got that high, well let's just say it reduced average game purchased per year to roughly 1. Doubt it'll get quite that bad, but with fewer purchases per customer in could see many developers go under. I was expecting it, but honestly, looking at it in the cold hard light of day? It's not a great look during a global Pandemic.

@SirAngry Fair point I noticed the MM game was listed with a remastered version of Spiderman on the PS5 so i'll give you that but there are some larger games that are giving PS5 upgrades for free as listed here: https://www.pushsquare.com/guides/ps4-to-ps5-all-games-with-confirmed-free-upgrades suppose the only issue is such as Cyberpunk the upgrade wont be available for around 3 - 6 months after release which is too late.

I missed the event but watched a re upload of the stream and it was rubbish Sony right now seems to be that Sony from the PS3 era big headed and doesn't have much to say to its customers but it think it doesn't need to and it reckon ps5 will just sell because of how well PS4 went. Microsoft forced there hand on this presentation and it was poorly done

@Mostik that's all voluntary, but mostly because Microsoft forced them as part of their licensing agreement. It seems like Sony won't be going that route. Looks like Sackboy isn't offering a free upgrade path either. Compare that approach with Microsoft and Sony do not look good. I actually think Ubisoft have played a blinder keeping their games priced the same, because compared to everyone else they don't look so greedy now. That might actually get them some more sales.

As for the game prices, I will continue to buy digital only, never right as it launches and on sale for over 45% off. Im in no rush so I'm ok waiting for a steep discount. This is why I'm going digital only system.

Sony milking the herd it seems.. ridiculous game prices. Vote with your wallet, or spend a generation on bargain hunting for games,

@SirAngry Ah OK I hadn't realised that but I did know Ubisoft and CDPR were doing it so at least there are some decent guys out there even if they do have ulterior motives!
Where it is available though do you think it is worth just buying the PS4 versions and loading up the free upgrade on installation or will that still be inferior to the actual PS5 release!?!? Just curious!

@SirAngry Keep in mind that Sony tried to charge ps3 prices for psvita games, but soon realized that it wasn't the best idea and they started charging less. Maybe something similar will happen here again? I know it won't change anything for me and anyone else who can wait a bit for a price cut.

@80sGamer fair enough!

Again with the game prices. As long as people demand high profile games to have inflated budgets and bloating features like 4K (which is only advertised as topical because companies including Sony want to sell new TV models as well), the cost has to go somewhere - either high launch prices or MTX and whatnot. Sure, the latter would be hard to get rid of fast as an income goose after years of many gamers proving to combine the age of transaction consent with the self-control of a toddler... but no longer keeping the default pricetags at the level of PS2 era might be a productive step in the opposite direction. And for everyone who simply can't afford the new prices... once again, when does PS Store even NOT have various sales lately?

In the UK and Europe, the price of games should not be increasing. They bumped us up for this generation.

The whole "4K assets take more work" argument doesn't hold water either... they've been creating these for PC for some time, and prices there aren't increasing with each new graphics card. In fact, now that consoles can handle 4K assets and don't need 'downsizing', there should actually be less work for them than there was previously.

@SirAngry The firstparty titles are the ones i get without a second thought on day one never had a real problem with that.

@Mostik if it's an "upgrade" you'll essentially get the PS5 version on PS5. But again, Sony haven't communicated this clearly, and they've created this horrible gray area where it just isn't clear, unlike Microsoft who are very clear. There dies now seem to be confusion around the free upgrade of SIE games too... apparently there will be free upgrades... maybe. It's a mess and the marketing manager Eric Lampel should take the blame, although given Geoff Keighley's Twitter gave more official information out last night than the PlayStation Twitter account, perhaps Geoff Keighley is the new Senior Vice President, PlayStation Worldwide Marketing, because Lampel and his team were nowhere to be seen.

@naruball I know what they tried pulling with PS Vita, but this is an industry wide push to up the price of games, and @nhSnork please don't fall for the industries propaganda over next-gen games costing more because of 4K and RT, because it is nonsense. We don't have to do more work to get more pixels, it's the system itself that does that. In fact the time to get stuff up and running on PS5 and XSX is less than PS4 and X1. There's also less need for outsourcing assets to downscale them now too, although the XSS does throw a wrinkle in there. No, this is about increasing profit margins pure and simple.

Dualshock 4 not being compatible with PS5 is also another Sony lie then... If I can play Miles Morales and Horizon on my PS4, then surely I can use my Dualshock 4 for certain games on the PS5. Despite Sony saying games would utilize the new haptic feedback in exclusive ways, it seems yet another of the Sony lies...
They just had to be upfront, fair and rely on their exclusives to sell the console. This is hideous mismanagement and as a brand are now not trustworthy in my eyes.

No major issues for me regards last nite. The pricing of games is always higher when a console is first released. Has been for the 30 plus years Ive been buying consoles/games.. So patience will bear fruit some 6 months down the line or even less with how prices drop so quickly now.... While games on PS5 running lesser versions on Ps4 isn't a deal breaker either, everybody is annoyed at the lack of Sony simply being upfront about it.

Would have liked more info re back compatability, as sitting with a couple hundred games in my library, but for that reason, theres no need to rush out for a new console as yet..

Ps plus add on is good, IF expanded on.. Also interesting that an EA title was included but, so makes you wonder if a less publicised deal with them is gonna happen, which would be good in terms of aligning with Ms gamepass inclusion

Will happily wait and see.. But nothing has changed my mind. I will get one, just a case of when, rather than if..

@pip_muzz of course it’s a lie. What really stops you having a ds4 for a second controller on fifa? They just want you to pay for another one

@pip_muzz do they just mean you cant use the abilities of the dualsense controller in a dualshock 4 on a ps5 to get full sense of emersion? When using the ds4 controller on a ps4 to play horizon etc you just won't take advantage of the new tech they have placed in the dualsense i think is what sony is trying to say but very vague on the information which in turn can seem they lied or not very clear in what they are saying. Thing is kinda annoyed me is the whole were creating next gen games to play on ps5 etc then the next gameshow they are saying these games will be playable on ps4, originally did they not say they would be ps5 only? I'm sure they did so to me thats where they lied for sure.

It was enough to get me to pre-order. I've never been a day one hardware buyer, but I'm older and lucky to have a little bit of disposable income. The games they have announced are insane in terms of quality, and while the cross-gen thing is confusing, you just know they will all look better, and more importantly, run better by a mile on the new machine.

And I think the console looks cool as hell.....

@RBMango I couldn't disagree more. Though I respect the difference of opinion. We saw the game, we saw gameplay, and we know what they are about. Games like Miles were great, as we needed to see gameplay.

@Octane you could do your shopping across a state or city line, very few people, relative speaking, are in a location to make that worthwile.

For a long time Amazon would hide behind not having business presence in a given state to not collect sales tax, but that has chaged as states have cracked down on that.

Some states have ways to avoid at least big purchases from going around that, like, car registration in a given state will demand proof of how much sales tax you paid when you acquired your car, and should the sales tax be lower than the local one, they force you to pay the difference to let you register it locally.

@mousieone I did mention the city/county/state tax complexity. Didn't get into oroduct type differences because I think no state tears video games as an exception.

Most common product type differences are on cigarettes, gas and groceries, with the first one being very high, gas it's while world, and groceries like produce or milk sometimes being lower or entirely exempt.

"I think it's safe to say, we'll let you know when pre-orders will happen. It's not going to happen with a minute's notice. We're going to at some point let you know when you can pre-order a PS5 so please don't feel like you have to go run and line up anywhere until you receive official notice on how that will work."

Eric Lempel

"PS4 controller will not work with PS5 games because PS5 games should take advantage of the new capabilities and features we're bringing to the platform, including the features of DualSense wireless controller".

"We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."

Jim Ryan, 29th May 2020.

The price of the ps5 is cool.definetly getting the standard physical ps5.god of war 2 will be a masterpiece of course.games are getting expensive but.they always go down fast in price.word up son

@Tharsman ahh sorry about that. Misread your comment completely.

Actually, I meant more as “adding a tax” to video games. I’ve seen that tossed around a few times in a few states. I don’t think anything passed yet, but they are trying.

I can't recall a hardware transition that's felt less definitive.

The console price isn't bad but the price of games might make some people hold off since we're dealing with the corona, people losing jobs, people who haven't returned to work, companies closing down etc.

Wait and see how it plays out but until then I may put off getting a PS5 for at least 6 months because the launch games aren't my cup of tea.

If this had been their presentation in early August I would have been way more understanding.

After yesterday I feel like I was invited on the Titanic and the lifeboat racks are half empty and Sony is assuring me they are working on it as we pull from the dock.

I don't care about the "issue" of cross-gen games. BotW wasn't made worse by being cross gen, and I'll bet Horizon won't be less than a 10/10 for it either. I also don't care about the silence on the UI features. Playstation's UI has always been garbage. If the SSD is to be believed, I won't be spending much time on that screen anyway. I buy a console to play games, and PS5 definitely has the games.

Which brings me to the game price hikes. I don't mind...if a game launches at a high quality. I certainly won't buy a game blind at launch, or at launch at all if it has issues. If they want me to pay that price, then the product's quality needs to reflect that, and quite frankly the industry's standard day one update followed by numerous patches to fix issues because the game released too early doesn't cut it for me at $60. At $80 it's a complete non-starter.

@Flaming_Kaiser @Octane it sounds like in Europe retailers actually charge less than MSRP for new games? That's probably where some of the weird MSRPS come from. Not so in the US. Games are generally MSRP everywhere, which is also why digital is just the same fixed price. Prices come down on most games as they age and sales slump, but new, it's sticker price or no buy.

@Peach64 At least in the US preorders started about 15 minutes after Sony said it would be "tomorrow." and were sold out within 15 minutes of that. Walmart started it and then every other store opened it. One by one like dominos, so the entire internet swarmed the one and only vendor of PS5s at that moment and depleted each of them in 10-15 minutes bringing the websites of several major US retailers down for much of the night. It is seriously the worst console preorder debacle I have ever seen.

@Octane In the US, physical games are rarely ever cheaper to preorder. If you want cheaper, you wait 6 months or so. Not since the BB GCU and Amazon's competition ended. It's always sticker price at launch. Bascially we jumped from paying $50 for new games 3 years ago with Amazon/BB GCU to paying $70.... For Amazon/BB customer's this is a 40% increase in game cost in 3 years. That takes a massive bite out of what you're willing to buy. And I don't expect discounts (unless the increase exists only to pad those retailers to give you "$10 off" new games and still charge exactly what they were charging before.)

Taxes here....yeah it's complicated. Most places don't have that layered sales tax structure mentioned above with city sales tax + county sales tax + state sales tax. Usually it's state only, though there's also usually different rates on necessities like food and clothing in many places. There are really fine lines with what is taxable as one thing and another. The food business gets it hard. Serve it boxed for takeout, it's one tax, serve it at a table, it's another box, serve it with a drink.....even the government can't be consistent on what that is taxed as.

But the biggest thing here is your total tax rate. Sales tax is only part of it. But beyond that there's fuel tax local tax, emergency services taxes/fees, a half dozen different taxes in your phone bill, electric bill, several from the state, a few from federal. We had a tax paying for the Spanish American War of 1898 until the 1990s on every phone bill. Then there's the municipality taxes (separate from trash and sewer fees, not taxes), county taxes, federal taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes (taxes taken out of your money for them by the employer so you never see the taxes taken out on that), school taxes (which are usually greater than all the other taxes combined.) And then on top of all that you have sales tax which is variable by item and location. That all plays into each other because the places that have the highest sales tax in the nation don't have income taxes and the like. Some with no sales tax have high corporate taxes which affects cost of local services and the like. etc. So what you're paying in total taxes isn't really transparent to you and you'd need to do fancy accounting to figure out what your total cost of living is, including consumption, in one place for another.

@NEStalgia I believe that retailers are allowed to charge whatever, but are encouraged to not go over the MSRP. I have seem retailers charge €65 or €70 for a game that is €60 or lower elsewhere. So it does happen, but rarely in my experience. They do try to undercut each other, a lot. I don't know what they pay per game, but they don't mind making only a few bucks per game it seems.

I remember getting Uncharted 4 for €52 at launch, even though it was a €60 game. I got God of War two days early, and for only €53. The copy of Mario 3D All-Stars I have pre-ordered was ''only'' €56. And Nintendo games don't usually get that low, but all other games generally do. I can pre-order Immortals Fenix Rising currently for €51 on Switch for example. And these are all €60 games.

@Octane That's interesting. Yeah, here, it's pretty much never under MSRP on new games (they drop over time, except Nintendo, of course.) Except the GCU/Amazon competition era of 20% off across the board for members. That made Switch launch era a lot more pleasant. When that ended is when I went digital and went to buying games late on sale, actually.

Of course, we generally have only 5 stores to choose from which doesn't help. Target, Walmart, Best Buy, Game Stop, Amazon is basically it. The smaller stores vanished a long time ago. Some exist but they're rare. And then there's the member's warehouse club things like Costco....but the other big one is Sams...which is Walmart. And they usually don't have the "new releases" in general.

@NEStalgia I still can't fathom that a country as big as the US have so few stores. And the fact that you go to Walmart (you can also buy groceries there, right?) is even weirder. A quick glance, and we have around 60 different retailers that sell games. Most are video game stores, but some are general hardware stores and may not get all the niche products. And that's for a country with only 17 million people lol. I can also order from Germany, Belgium, UK, or Denmark with ease (though Germany has these ugly USK rating stickers that ruin the games, so they may as well not exist).

So yeah, physical is definitely the cheaper option for me. And I get to keep my games. Hurray.

@Matroska cartridges where much more expensive, CDs, DVDs, and Bluray disc lowered the manufacturing costs. They make much more from a game now them they did back then.

@NEStalgia These couple of comments are probably my favourite on this site. I don't understand why people can't see that wages/income has not kept up with the increased cost of living. Superbly well put

@BleedingDreamer A CD game in 1994 would be £40 which is the same as £80 now. And yeah carts were more expensive but not to the point that £100 in modern money for an hour long game made any kind of sense. So yeah, not only were games expensive as hell, they were typically far shorter and thus cheaper to make, plus only had small teams and less dev time so far fewer wages to pay over far shorter time. For example, in a four year period we got FFVII, VIII, IX and X. In the span of time that, say, a can of Coke has gone from 25p to 60p or more, games have gone from £40 to £40 so we've all been massively spoiled by that.

@ShadowofSparta It's hard to find data on it but I did find this article.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2229213/Cheer-better-Average-wages-grown-62-25-years--richest-seen-biggest-rise.html

It says in 1986 the average hourly wage was £3.87 and in 2011 it was £12.62. If you use the Bank of England inflation calculator and input £3.87 for 1986 and then check what that was worth in 2011, you're claiming it would be more than £12.62 since you say wages haven't kept up with inflation, right? Well the adjusted for inflation value is £9.30 meaning that the wage increase outstripped inflation by 33% roughly. That makes it even worse than what I'm claiming as not only would a £50 NES game be equivalent to £120 in 2011 money, people's wages were lower in 1986 than in 2011.

Feel free to check yourself:
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator

@Matroska the production costs for discs are just a few cents and alot of people are buying more digital now. Digital purchases cut out production costs, shipping costs and the middle man. The gaming industry is making plenty of money.

@ShadowofSparta Thanks, much appreciated!

@Octane Wow. I remember when there were once small stores and the like. And I'm "streamlining" that a little as there are handfuls and pockets of smaller chains and independent stores around the country. But they can't compete with Best Buy and Walmart. There are some regional stores that may exist. But few, and not for everyone.

Ultimately nobody could deliver overall lower prices, with such immense buying power, and such a wide distribution footprint with so much product as those companies. Since those were the cheapest and the most universal, people just stopped going anywhere else. And as real estate prices rose, only those companies had the margins to afford it. There's almost 5,000 Walmart stores, plus online. And they have so "few" because their model involves setting up far from everyone on cheap land and making them travel for the "savings." Mostly they ruthlessly leveraged their buying power to undercut everyone for years with a "ring" strategy (they'd choose a target town, build like 5 Walmarts around them, undercut, with targeted price cuts any competing local or regional store until they had to close. Then when WMT was the only one left, they'd close the other 4 stores and make everyone drive to the 1. At that point they were the only main employer in the town and were too important to harm.They did that nation-wide for 30 years. What was left was a monolithic retailer, no competitors that could even touch them, and carte blanche in the industry.)

We have those 5 stores (at least within the video game sales category) but even that's sketchy, long term. Best Buy has been on the rocks several times and has cut a lot of stores over the years. They opened some additional ones but they were small format selling mostly only the most popular products.

GameStop is our only remaining "video game store" aside from those handfuls of independents and local chains that may have survived here and there. They spun out from Barnes & Noble book store, and followed the same model of acquisitions of all competitors, and ringing in the competitors so that only they remained, then contracted to close many of the former stores once they were the only one left.

To be fair, a product like dish soap will be sold in convenience stores, drug stores, supermarkets, hardware stores, Walmart big box type stores, and a variety of other stores, so something like electronics is particularly a narrow category here. It's very low margin, and only the biggest can play.

The other problem then is, with that streamlined distribution model, companies like Sony and Nintendo simply don't have the need, time, or reason to bother with anyone smaller than Target. if you do business with those 5 retailers + Amazon, you've reached 100% of your total market. Why mess with dozens of local chains when 6 giant warehouse-store networks cover your whole customer base? Investors want those savings returned. One person can handle all your distribution contracts in a single week! If not a day! Although with how preorders went with Walmart, maybe 60 mom and pops could have put a better lid on it.

Under "Ugly", you failed to mention that transphobic J.K. Rowling will probably make a boatload of money out of that stellar looking Hogwarts Legacy game....

Almost bought one, had on the cart, but no. I want more info, more transparency.

Xsx is certain for me on day one, at this time I know what I'm buying.

With ps5, it fells I'm buying a early access product.

A thing to keep in mind about the US market:

Federal minimum wage has not gone up since 2009, it still is 7.25, and that is only an increase from , and an absurd number of jobs are minimum wage. Due to many things that have happened in the last decade and a half, the percentage of minimum wage employees is pretty much the same as it was (and percentage of low wage workers is higher.)

In many states, someone working a fast food job is going to earn $7.25 an hour, and its not like they can ask for extra hours on their already fixed weekly schedule (at least not paid hours, they will be lucky if they are not forced to work unpaid overtime... sadly happens too often.)

My point being that the increase of $10 might not sound like much for many, but for a huge chunk of the player base (younger people with entry/minimum wage jobs and lots of time) will simply be forced to cut back on their gaming.

Explaining it with "but inflation" wont help them since their income has not kept with inflation either.

Pricing is Absolutely outrageous, for Europe and U.K. I’ve owned every PlayStation at launch but I will be skipping this one, decided to jump ship to Microsoft as they seems insanely better value and not as anti consumer as Sony. I will be a ps5 in maybe a few years with a handful of very cheap ps5 games.

@Old-Red that’s the trouble, they have sold a ***** ton of ps5 games at that price and while people are willing to cough up full price, Sony won’t lower prices. No business would.

@GeneJacket greed!! because they know PlayStation fan base will pay it

@get2sammyb when have prices gone down outside of sales/used? they don't where I live

@Kefka2589 are you planning on waiting a long time and buy used games? Unless you wait a very long time, used games tend to only be $10-$15 lower than full price, hardly a huge saving but I guess it’s better than nothing

@Freakdahouse feel like you are buying a mystery parcel, toobmany Unknown’s which should of been revealed months ago.

@Eadgar very true, I plan on only buy used unless there is a deep sale on a game I want or it’s an amazing game (think cyberpunk).

I think Sony’s strategy on pricing for games have given Microsoft a lifeline, this gen its going to be very very close between the ps5 and Xbox in terms of sales.

@Northern_munkey a bit more??? They are over 25% increase in some countries, it’s outrageous. Even mainstream media are reporting about the prices being stupidly overpriced.

@carlos82 @lixei32 the cheaper games are supposedly for PS4 and ps5.

I will be buying used games only. I don’t mind waiting 6-12 months, I will have cyberpunk and plenty of PS4 games I have yet to play in my library

@JapaneseSonic maybe not for you it won’t but for a lot of people it will

@Rob_230 if people buy the launch titles full asking price in droves, There is no way Sony or any other publisher will lower prices when they can sell just as many but for much more unfortunately. I honestly think Sony are testing the waters in Europe and U.K. to see if people accept the new prices, if people do accept the them, then expect high prices to stay with more and more publishers following suit

@Kefka2589 sounds like you got a good thing going on. I plan on only buying used as well. I might buy the odd game at full price, maybe demons souls if it comes down a little but the rest of my games will be used after that

@get2sammyb
Each state has different sales tax. In a couple of states it is zero but for many states it's more like 7% or a bit higher. So a $70 is more like $75. Also, if MSRP is $70 then it will be $70 everywhere - I think many places in the UK actually sell cheaper at launch theen the MSRP, but not in the US.

Also, the minimum wage is $7.25, so it's not great that someone may need to work more than 10 hours just to buy one game. With income tax they may need to work more like 12 or 13.

@RBMango what do you mean? We got like 3 seconds of Destruction Allstars gameplay in the ending sizzle reel.

That was sarcasm btw, but the game looked SO GOOD in those 3 seconds. Id argue it looked better than the first trailer even.

@KeanuReaves Those three seconds did look good. That's why it's so frustrating we haven't seen another big gameplay trailer for it.

@Sunsvsmoon and the games will stay thst price forever yes? The ps4 games were expensive to start with and after a few months started to drop..somethings got to give and to have the console at a reasonable price but pay extra for games initially isnt a bad trade off...maybe people should pick a less expensive hobby...damn those pro v1x golf balls at £4 each..WTF?

I don't see the need in rushing for a price hike so early in the new console gen. Gaming market has grown considerably following Covid-19 which should be more than enough to offset the high cost of console hardware. Competition is heating up with game subscription and the global economy is still recovering from the pandemic. My guess is that prices for PS5 games will fall quickly if you can wait just a few month longer, so be smart and vote with your wallet.

I really dislike Sony as a company. I hate most of their decisions and what they've turn into in the last several years... BUT I love PlayStation games and so, I keep getting its consoles.
I managed to preorder a PS5 Digital Edition and don't regret it, but I don't have any games for it. Not at launch and not for the foreseeable future either.
I will get Miles Morales... but that isn't really a PS5 game, is it?
So, my new PS5 will become just a Cyberpunk 2077 machine for the foreseeable future.
I'm selling my PS4 Pro so I guess that my PS5 will become my new "PS4" lol
2021 looks promising though...

@3MonthBeef As long as I keep liking the games they do, then yep... Just as you said.
Applies to 99.9% of the people who buys video games (regardless of platform), you included probably.

Very very disappointed that some new games are cross gen.. I want new games running at their peak not straddling a line between generations with downgraded frame rates and resolution.