Topic: The Movie Thread

@KALofKRYPTON Also shifting to the movie thread, what about Specter was rapey? The only thing I can think of that would be close, is the bad guys wife near the beginning. I think rapey is the wrong word, a little advantageous of the situation perhaps and (I remember right) to get some info, but I don't recall any sort of coercion in the movie in that area. I do remember a scene in an older movie where he pretty much said there's a price for you not getting in trouble. Now that's a bit extra unsettling to think about.

@Jaz007 Yeah, the Monica Bellucci interaction was pretty rapey.

There's a fair amount of rapey behavior in the Connery films - not so much after that, but lots of forced kisses leading to eventual acquiescence.

@KALofKRYPTON @FullbringIchigo Not to derail the movie thread, but I recently watched The Night Manager (for Olivia Colman and Elizabeth Debicki, obviously) and really enjoyed it. Hugh Laurie ended up being the highlight of the show though, and I was pleasantly surprised by Tom Hiddleston. All around great cast and a fantastic story. Definitely worth a watch if you're interested!

Did you lot hear about James Gunn moving to DC, to write/direct a new Suicide Squad movie? Crazy stuff.

@FullbringIchigo I'll add another voice of recommendation to The Night Manager, it was an excellent bit of telly, although I perhaps disagree with the idea of Hiddleston as Bond; I'd much, much prefer Superman or a dozen others. There's just something too smarmy about him (not in the good or entertaining way Bond is sometimes smarmy, either). He kinda gives me the creeps.

@Jaz007 @KALofKRYPTON It's a shame that Goldfinger is seen as the quintessential Bond film by many, because it's also the film in which Bond literally rapes a lesbian. Okay, "different time" and all that, but I always found it properly uncomfortable to watch (and I grew up in a pretty blokey, un-liberal household). Also, I was so excited when Monica Bellucci was cast in SPECTRE but you're right, she was on the screen for literally seven minutes, in which time Bond pretty much forces himself on her, taking both physical and mental advantage of her fragile emotional state. It was a total let-down, especially since female characters had been handled pretty darn well by the Craig era until then.

The only Daniel Craig James Bond movie that I liked was Casino Royale. His subsequent Bond movies were pretty average or disappointing imo. Anyways, Henry Cavill also expressed his interested in taking on the role as James Bond. I do hope that they don't cast Idris Elba, though.

@Kidfried Yeah. Even more crazy is Dave Bautista's recent comment about wanting to be in the SS2 movie.

https://sea.ign.com/dave-bautista/142375/news/guardians-of-th...

@WanderingBullet Casino Royale is excellent, certainly Craig's best.

I really like Quantum of Solace - it felt like it could've been a Dalton film. I also much prefer the idea of Quantum. I know it was a substitute name for Spectre (licensing!), but it just felt like it was far more era appropriate. Actual Spectre in the film came across a bit 'cartoon-villainy' and a bit regressive for Craig's Bond.
I hated Skyfall at the cinema. I hate(d) the song too, which never helps! I've watched several times since, and certainly don't hate it quite as much as I did - it's a hell of a lot better than Spectre that's for sure!

@Tjuz @RogerRoger first off i want to apologise for taking so long to answer back but i work at night (my current hours are 9pm-3am, which is actually really good, i get plenty of sleep but still get up early enough to enjoy most of the day ) and i will be giving The Night Manager a go

anyway back to Bond, you know how in many films Bond uses his "charm" (for want of a better word) to seduce women so he can complete his mission (which i suppose is the kind of things Spies might do in real life) well i watched The World is not Enough again recently (probably one of Brosnans best) and i actually thought it was great that the baddie did it to him for a change when Elektra King used her charms to seduce and use him for her personal gain and if it wasn't for one slip up by her in saying "There is no point in living if you can't feel alive" then it would have worked

although Christmas Jones was pretty much useless , she barely did anything

@FullbringIchigo Good shout, very good shout. I remember watching that film for the first time and thinking, during the scene where Bond confronts Elektra and she slaps him down, that there was a genuine possibility of him being wrong about somebody. I also thought one of two things would immediately follow: Elektra would die, or she would be revealed as the real villain. I love that film for keeping you on your toes like that.

That was all Brosnan, by the way. He pushed to put Bond in new emotional territory in every film; it's why he was betrayed in GoldenEye, met an old flame in Tomorrow Never Dies, was seduced by the villain in The World is Not Enough and then tortured for 14 months in Die Another Day. Proof that you can explore new ground without reinventing the wheel.

@RogerRoger yeah i think at least for me the Brosnan era was probably the best of the original Bond era (as Craig was a reboot i tend to keep them separate) and while Die Another Day really went overboard on the CGI (that surfing scene comes to mind) i still really enjoyed it and loved that they gave Bond a much bigger range to his character, plus his era had SO many great action moments, the Tank Chase in Goldeney, the Parking lot scene in Tomorrow Never Dies, the Boat chase in The World is Not Enough of the cars on the ice lake in Die Another Day

and Brosnan was swath and sophisticated and even a bit charming plus he did the action scenes well

honestly he is probably my favourite Bond

@FullbringIchigo Dalton all the way. I think for me he is closer than Connery to Fleming's Bond.

@KALofKRYPTON Dalton was an awesome Bond, just a shame he only got 2 films

@FullbringIchigo Completely agreed. I do have him right alongside Roger Moore (since I tend to enjoy the lighter, campy stuff more often than not, plus he was the first Bond I saw outside of a videogame) but Brosnan was an incredible all-rounder and his films have aged really well, with the possible exception of everybody's hair in GoldenEye.

Plus, good call on the River Thames boat chase from The World is Not Enough, but I always seem to think of the Caviar Factory sequence before anything else!

@KALofKRYPTON Dalton is very, very good. It's a shame they didn't fully embrace his take on the character, though; I mean, Licence to Kill got close, but there are elements that needed work, whereas The Living Daylights could've (mostly) been a Moore film, if we're honest. He always looks as though he's struggling to escape the franchise's shell, but there are flashes of genius. I'll defend him against criticism, for sure, and rank him above Connery and Lazenby. Maybe even Craig.

@RogerRoger @KALofKRYPTON the Caviar Factory bit was also really good, that poor BMW

if i was going to rank the Bond's it would be

Brosnan
Dalton
Connery
Craig
Moore
Lazenby

@FullbringIchigo @RogerRoger

I have to put:
Dalton/Moore
Brosnan
Connery
Craig
Lazenby

That's probably true of the majority of the film rankings too - with exceptions of course.

@KALofKRYPTON what's strange for me is i like Moores films but i always felt Moore was kind of bland in a lot of them, like he was just phoning it in which is why i put him so far down on the list

@FullbringIchigo I find Moore's Bond to be nicely cavalier. He's just enough smarm, arrogance, spite and flare to really sell the deep-down irredeemable paid killer playboy that Bond really is. He has the most 'lighthearted' films, but they are all brutally violent - and his Bond is brilliantly spiteful.

Also, he has Jaws. It's something missing from the similarly positioned Brosnan run - a recurring henchman! Stamper would've been perfect for it too.

It’s interesting to see the options on Craig’s Bond films. He’s personally my favorite Bond (also being the one I grew up with most of all), and I think Skyfall is actually the best Bond film hands down. It just elevated all of it to a new level. It had an amazing villain and a great take on a more human Bond. Specter was really good, but as good. The villain felt a little bit overdone too.

@KALofKRYPTON i liked Jaws

@Jaz007 the Craig films are good films too but i just rate other Bond's a bit higher, not the films but the Bond's themselves

Daniel Craig's have been all over the place. Casino Royale is easily his best film, and very much a top three Bond film overall. I liked Home Alone Skyfall a lot, but it did feel like a Bond film that was aping The Dark Knight and its "Edgy PG-13 Action-Blockbuster" approach. Quantum of Solace was, of course, a disaster. It didn't even feel like a Bond film. And Spectre... was okay, but very unmemorable. I'd actually forgotten it even existed, and that I'd gone to a theater to see it, until recently.

My biggest issue with his run is that, as with reboot Lara Croft, it doesn't feel like he's "growing into" the character we've come to know and love from previous films.