for me the only problem is that because my ps5 isnt primary i cant play couch co-op games online (like sports games for example) with a second account in my console. i am paying ps plus almost exclusevily for the monthly games and because after all these year the library from the membership is big and needed from time to time. the thing i hate most with ps plus is that the discounts are not offered to current member, which is a disgusting tactic from sony.
i really don't care for any of the old ms games releases. The only interesting one for me is gears of war, but i have already played that on pc(same with ori). Sunset overdrive would be fine, but it would need a remake at this point. New gears game and new fable game will be a very welcome addition to the ps catalogue.
just the helldivers 2 ongoing success will probably pay for all the faiures and i guess that this was the plan anyway. For 1-2 games from all this that would stick. They were afraid that they will lose all the revenue from COD when they started all this, so it is pretty understadable. With MS going multiplatform now there isnt any reason to push for gaas. Hoping that there is still time to turn the ship before this generation ends.
with all the huge hype coming with GTA VI , with Rockstar skipping pc release on launch and the PS5 pro, releasing just months before that, we can't really predict what the impact on ps sales will be. GTA will be everywhere and pro will look like first option for most new platform buyers. In a year from now, we will know.
the read on this, is that now that they stopped selling the consoles on a discount, they started having a more healthy operating margin, o about 10% of their revenue, which continue to increase year on year.
@TrickyDicky99 actually there was a 30% of a price increase and they have almost about of 30% increase in ps plus revenue. So the decline on users YOY should be small. Of course on this we have to consider that 20mil new consoles have been sold, though most of them should be transitioning from ps4.
also regarding sony's first party's discussion. I think that the first two years of ps5 were pretty good. 2023 was a bad one and if the upcoming showcase doesn't change the release schedule for the remaining of the year, 2024 could be even worse. I am fairly optimistic for 2025 though, they were silent for too long. But it is just speculation.
@Kienda Sony has to increase the games that they are publishing, but just to note that the comparison with Nintendo is totaly wrong. Switch doesn't run anything else, except by first party games and indies. Sony is obliged to leave room to breath for third party publishers. They are making a lot money from them, but of course Sony's first party studio which right now are more and bigger than they ever were, has to produce and be sustainable by themselves.
@TrickyDicky99 You look at it entirely wrong. In live service games, you need all the people you can reach, if mobile was a possibility for this game it would be more than welcome for Sony.
Check the FY2023 Q3/ Supplemental Information (Page 9) Network Services (which is for the ps plus). The subscribers are certainly down but their income increased since the increased the subscritption.
The last 5 years Sony is in it's best position in their history. They were losing money until the half of the life of PS4. Their revenue has increased in record numbers and they are making more money than they ever did. All the talk is because Nintendo is having more profit(much more) with less revenue(much less). But Sony is in healthy position. The second part in the lifetime of a successfull console, is always much more profitable than the first.
@TrickyDicky99 What does this has to do with anything. Helldivers isn't competing with Fortnite, doesn't cuts revenue from it. It's an expansion to new market for Sony, so more profit is better. Don't understand what you want to say.
@Grumblevolcano Capitalists are greedy. But psn registration doesnt have anything at all to do with the playstation subscriptions. How is that confusing?
@TrickyDicky99 profits from ps+ have been about 10-15% increased after the increase to the subscription price, so i would guess that sony is very happy with that. You can see that on the quarterly statements.
The first quarter of 2023, sony had a 200% increase on hardware sales in Europe from the same period in 2022, having one of the best years ever. A 25% decrease, with the announcements of ps5 pro so close, which many users wait before buying a new playstation now, it's practically nothing.
Sony had a great gaas success which they really werent even expecting with Helldivers and will certainly milk to death the coming years. Sony is fine.
@Sifi fyi sony in 2024 already published two of the most successful games this year(helldivers 2, stellar blade) and also has an exclusive of a goty contender, like ffvii rebirth. Also published MLB going good as always. Rise of the ronin, having a decent reception. Sony is having a fine year until now.
@TrickyDicky99 ps5 sales are at the same succesful level as ps4, ps+ subscriptions remained the same after a huge price increase, profit margins are so good that they managed to absorb a 7b purchase of Bungie and still make profit.
@Deityjester but they didnt make any change. it was clear before launch that a third party account was required to play the game. It wasn't hidden. They weren't ready to enforce it on launch because they prioritized to cover the huge demand that they weren't expecting. They didn't ask for money. A free signup that takes minutes to complete. We signup to forums, to youtube, to facebook, to pushsquare , the whole discussion that signing up for a game that you want to play is bad, is just stupid.
review bombing issue has to be addressed right now. You can't give too much power on idiots. it affects all of us in the end. Corpotations understand money, but idiots are just plain idiots.
i really don't understand the conversation on Spiderman budget. The game launched less than 6 months ago and already has made tremendous profits for Sony. At the end of it's cycle it will make far more. The same goes for Ragnarok and pretty much for all big AAA games that sony released until now. How come that this are the problem? Past console generations, the 3 first years there were always loses until they created the instal base to make money on the second half of the console's life cycle. This generation they made huge profits, more than ever in playstation history from day one. Sony is in the best position it ever was. The only thing that is happening, is that they regreted the turn to the gaas gaming, at least not on the scale that they were going initially.
As a gamer if the result is good i am totally fine with it. Many games still can't use voice overs because of the cost and time required. And in any case you can't stop the evolution. It is like the horsecars drivers rioting about trains or cars. If it makes sense financially it will happen despite what people say.
Ps5 console launch was the best console launch ever. Practically all sony first party studios delivered with glorious results the past 3 years that ps5 is in the market. Right now except of Insomniac's Spiderman we do not know what any of the big Sony fp studios are doing. ND(beside factions), SM(the Barlog game), Bend, SP (tsushima 2?), Bluepoint, Housemarque,Pixelopus, Team Asobi, Insomniac's Wolverine, are getting to the 1.5 year release window, so most should be anounced in the summer show. We also should get release dates for third party colaborators like Project: The Perceiver, Death Stranding 2, Ueda's new game, Helldivers 2. The big Cyga games(Granblue Fantasy: Relink, Project Awakening). Maybe for the Pearl Abyss games(Crimson Desert, DokeV, Plan 8). Also Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. And of course all the GAAS games that they are planning like the Horizon MP, Factions 2, Deviation, Haven, Firewalk, London studio, Firesprite (twisted metal) new games, something new from Bungie all should be presented soon.
It has the potential to be huge for Sony.
Instead of incouraging sony to copy the gamepass model, we should be more worrying that with Sony announcing more than 12 gaas games for the near future, they have already started to. Hopefully the big Sony studios will continue to produce the big quality games we expect and love, but keep hearing voices like this post, i am not optimistic.
they showed 40 games, more than 20 were gaas, 10 indies, 4-5 single player games that are probably multiplatform, and some racing stuff. Nothing to be excited. Sony's state of play last week, was far more interesting. If gamepass means gaas and indies, then Sony, please dont.
though i dont care at all for retro games, some of which i would want for the other people to try are:
psx: crash bash, crash team racing
ps2: godhand, Ico, Tenchu
ps3: Asura's Wrath, nba street, Earthworm Jim HD
there are games like ninja gaiden , okami or vanquish that i would like to see the ps4 remastered versions to the service and not the original.
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Re: Beyond Good & Evil 2 PS5 May Not Be Dead Just Yet
the only job related to beyond good and evil 2 i can think of , is a gravedigger
Re: PlayStation CEO Pushed Through Cut-Price PS5 in Japan After Seeing System Slump Against Switch 2
let's hope they don't use any of the big sony's studios to produce nintendo type of games. no one wants that from sony...not in japan, not anywhere.
Re: Talking Point: If Xbox Drops the Cost, Would You Be Happy Still Paying for PS6 Multiplayer?
for me the only problem is that because my ps5 isnt primary i cant play couch co-op games online (like sports games for example) with a second account in my console. i am paying ps plus almost exclusevily for the monthly games and because after all these year the library from the membership is big and needed from time to time. the thing i hate most with ps plus is that the discounts are not offered to current member, which is a disgusting tactic from sony.
Re: What the Hell Has Happened to Call of Duty?
the first smart and original idea COD developers ever had
Re: Poll: What Did You Think of Sony's State of Play for February 2025?
expecting more first party reveals, so pretty poor. Just a generic road map, for 2025.
Re: Halo PS5 Rumours Intensify in Aftermath of Forza Horizon 5 Reveal
i really don't care for any of the old ms games releases. The only interesting one for me is gears of war, but i have already played that on pc(same with ori). Sunset overdrive would be fine, but it would need a remake at this point. New gears game and new fable game will be a very welcome addition to the ps catalogue.
Re: PS Plus Essential Games for February 2025 Announced
stop with the fps on ps plus
Re: Reaction: Sony's Live Service Push Has Been a Disaster of Utterly Insane Proportions
just the helldivers 2 ongoing success will probably pay for all the faiures and i guess that this was the plan anyway. For 1-2 games from all this that would stick. They were afraid that they will lose all the revenue from COD when they started all this, so it is pretty understadable. With MS going multiplatform now there isnt any reason to push for gaas. Hoping that there is still time to turn the ship before this generation ends.
Re: Naughty Dog Turns Off Intergalactic PS5 Trailer's Comments As Discourse Turns Nasty
people are so dumb and it isnt funny anymore.
Re: Poll: Are You Happy with Your PS Plus Essential Games for July 2024?
stop giving first person games.
Re: Forget About the Cheesy Reveal Trailer with 20 Mins of Dragon Age: The Veilguard Gameplay
this is so gorgeous
Re: Reaction: You Said You Were Sick of PS5's Sad Dad Sims, So You Better Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is
bring me more sad dads plz
Re: Reaction: Why You Shouldn't Worry Too Much About PS5's Year-on-Year Decline
with all the huge hype coming with GTA VI , with Rockstar skipping pc release on launch and the PS5 pro, releasing just months before that, we can't really predict what the impact on ps sales will be. GTA will be everywhere and pro will look like first option for most new platform buyers. In a year from now, we will know.
Re: PS5 Sales Reach 59.3 Million as Sony Falls Just Short of Fiscal Year Forecast
the read on this, is that now that they stopped selling the consoles on a discount, they started having a more healthy operating margin, o about 10% of their revenue, which continue to increase year on year.
Re: PS Plus Revenue Is on the Up Following 2022's Multi-Tiered Overhaul
@TrickyDicky99 actually there was a 30% of a price increase and they have almost about of 30% increase in ps plus revenue. So the decline on users YOY should be small. Of course on this we have to consider that 20mil new consoles have been sold, though most of them should be transitioning from ps4.
Re: Poll: Years Later, How Do You Feel About PlayStation's PC Strategy?
@Kienda we agree 100%
also regarding sony's first party's discussion. I think that the first two years of ps5 were pretty good. 2023 was a bad one and if the upcoming showcase doesn't change the release schedule for the remaining of the year, 2024 could be even worse. I am fairly optimistic for 2025 though, they were silent for too long. But it is just speculation.
Re: Poll: Years Later, How Do You Feel About PlayStation's PC Strategy?
@Kienda Sony has to increase the games that they are publishing, but just to note that the comparison with Nintendo is totaly wrong. Switch doesn't run anything else, except by first party games and indies. Sony is obliged to leave room to breath for third party publishers. They are making a lot money from them, but of course Sony's first party studio which right now are more and bigger than they ever were, has to produce and be sustainable by themselves.
Re: Poll: Years Later, How Do You Feel About PlayStation's PC Strategy?
@TrickyDicky99 You look at it entirely wrong. In live service games, you need all the people you can reach, if mobile was a possibility for this game it would be more than welcome for Sony.
Check the FY2023 Q3/ Supplemental Information (Page 9)
Network Services (which is for the ps plus). The subscribers are certainly down but their income increased since the increased the subscritption.
The last 5 years Sony is in it's best position in their history. They were losing money until the half of the life of PS4. Their revenue has increased in record numbers and they are making more money than they ever did. All the talk is because Nintendo is having more profit(much more) with less revenue(much less). But Sony is in healthy position. The second part in the lifetime of a successfull console, is always much more profitable than the first.
Re: Poll: Years Later, How Do You Feel About PlayStation's PC Strategy?
@TrickyDicky99 What does this has to do with anything. Helldivers isn't competing with Fortnite, doesn't cuts revenue from it. It's an expansion to new market for Sony, so more profit is better. Don't understand what you want to say.
Re: Poll: Years Later, How Do You Feel About PlayStation's PC Strategy?
@Grumblevolcano Capitalists are greedy. But psn registration doesnt have anything at all to do with the playstation subscriptions. How is that confusing?
Re: Poll: Years Later, How Do You Feel About PlayStation's PC Strategy?
@TrickyDicky99 profits from ps+ have been about 10-15% increased after the increase to the subscription price, so i would guess that sony is very happy with that. You can see that on the quarterly statements.
The first quarter of 2023, sony had a 200% increase on hardware sales in Europe from the same period in 2022, having one of the best years ever. A 25% decrease, with the announcements of ps5 pro so close, which many users wait before buying a new playstation now, it's practically nothing.
Sony had a great gaas success which they really werent even expecting with Helldivers and will certainly milk to death the coming years. Sony is fine.
Re: Founders, Long-Time Employees Reportedly Say Xbox Now Effectively Microsoft Gaming
@Sifi fyi sony in 2024 already published two of the most successful games this year(helldivers 2, stellar blade) and also has an exclusive of a goty contender, like ffvii rebirth. Also published MLB going good as always. Rise of the ronin, having a decent reception. Sony is having a fine year until now.
What Microsoft has?
Re: Poll: Years Later, How Do You Feel About PlayStation's PC Strategy?
@TrickyDicky99
ps5 sales are at the same succesful level as ps4, ps+ subscriptions remained the same after a huge price increase, profit margins are so good that they managed to absorb a 7b purchase of Bungie and still make profit.
Re: Poll: Years Later, How Do You Feel About PlayStation's PC Strategy?
pc like ps plus is a good cemetary for games that run their circle and add extra value to them. For Gaas it is fine.
Re: Helldivers Turn on Arrowhead Following Undemocratic Firing of Community Manager
They fans confused the movies. From starship troopers, went to idiocracy.
Re: Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement Backtracked on PC After Brutal Review Bombing Campaign
@Balosi why it isn't? what 's the issue with a one minute sign up?
Re: Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement Backtracked on PC After Brutal Review Bombing Campaign
@Deityjester but they didnt make any change. it was clear before launch that a third party account was required to play the game. It wasn't hidden. They weren't ready to enforce it on launch because they prioritized to cover the huge demand that they weren't expecting. They didn't ask for money. A free signup that takes minutes to complete. We signup to forums, to youtube, to facebook, to pushsquare , the whole discussion that signing up for a game that you want to play is bad, is just stupid.
Re: Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement Backtracked on PC After Brutal Review Bombing Campaign
review bombing issue has to be addressed right now. You can't give too much power on idiots. it affects all of us in the end. Corpotations understand money, but idiots are just plain idiots.
Re: Sony Doubles Down on Helldivers 2 PSN Requirement by Taking It Off Sale for PC in Numerous Countries
this have to be the most idiotic internet drama in gaming ever. people are dumb.
Re: Reaction: The Problem with PlayStation Right Now
i really don't understand the conversation on Spiderman budget. The game launched less than 6 months ago and already has made tremendous profits for Sony. At the end of it's cycle it will make far more. The same goes for Ragnarok and pretty much for all big AAA games that sony released until now. How come that this are the problem? Past console generations, the 3 first years there were always loses until they created the instal base to make money on the second half of the console's life cycle. This generation they made huge profits, more than ever in playstation history from day one. Sony is in the best position it ever was. The only thing that is happening, is that they regreted the turn to the gaas gaming, at least not on the scale that they were going initially.
Re: Game of the Year: #2 - Baldur's Gate 3
the most overrated game in years. peope are sheeps.
Re: Baldur's Gate 3 Is a Lock for Game of the Year, According to Most PlayStation Fans
Alan Wake 2 is such an achievement for gaming. Those who vote BG3(D:OS 3 more likely), probably havent even play it and just go with the flow...
Re: Poll: What Will Win Game of the Year at The Game Awards 2023?
bg3 is overhyped for nothing. boring battle system destroys it.
Re: The Finals Opted for AI Voices Because 'It Gets Us Far Enough in Terms of Quality'
As a gamer if the result is good i am totally fine with it. Many games still can't use voice overs because of the cost and time required. And in any case you can't stop the evolution. It is like the horsecars drivers rioting about trains or cars. If it makes sense financially it will happen despite what people say.
Re: Sony Acquires Firewalk Studios, New Team Behind Innovative Multiplayer IP
nice to see sony continue with the organic growth
Re: Random: The Last of Us Is Finally an FPS in Jaw-Dropping PC Mod
really disgusting, it's like taking something great and make it like every other ***** game out there.
Re: Rumour: Sony's Big PS5 Showcase to Take Place in Approximately Two Months
Ps5 console launch was the best console launch ever. Practically all sony first party studios delivered with glorious results the past 3 years that ps5 is in the market. Right now except of Insomniac's Spiderman we do not know what any of the big Sony fp studios are doing. ND(beside factions), SM(the Barlog game), Bend, SP (tsushima 2?), Bluepoint, Housemarque,Pixelopus, Team Asobi, Insomniac's Wolverine, are getting to the 1.5 year release window, so most should be anounced in the summer show. We also should get release dates for third party colaborators like Project: The Perceiver, Death Stranding 2, Ueda's new game, Helldivers 2. The big Cyga games(Granblue Fantasy: Relink, Project Awakening). Maybe for the Pearl Abyss games(Crimson Desert, DokeV, Plan 8). Also Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. And of course all the GAAS games that they are planning like the Horizon MP, Factions 2, Deviation, Haven, Firewalk, London studio, Firesprite (twisted metal) new games, something new from Bungie all should be presented soon.
It has the potential to be huge for Sony.
Re: Koei Tecmo Wants to Know Which PS5, PS4 Games You Want on PS Plus
Rise of the Ronin, obviously
Re: Random: The Last of Us Looks Kinda Awesome As an FPS
disgusting. no. never.
Re: Reaction: PS Plus’ Revamp Is Hours Away, But Sony Still Has a Game Pass Problem
Instead of incouraging sony to copy the gamepass model, we should be more worrying that with Sony announcing more than 12 gaas games for the near future, they have already started to. Hopefully the big Sony studios will continue to produce the big quality games we expect and love, but keep hearing voices like this post, i am not optimistic.
Re: Reaction: PS Plus’ Revamp Is Hours Away, But Sony Still Has a Game Pass Problem
they showed 40 games, more than 20 were gaas, 10 indies, 4-5 single player games that are probably multiplatform, and some racing stuff. Nothing to be excited. Sony's state of play last week, was far more interesting. If gamepass means gaas and indies, then Sony, please dont.
Re: Reaction: PS Plus’ Revamp Is Hours Away, But Sony Still Has a Game Pass Problem
@Martsmall
this is revenue, not net income. It's totally different things.
Re: Talking Point: What PS1, PS2, and PSP Games Do You Want on PS Plus Premium?
though i dont care at all for retro games, some of which i would want for the other people to try are:
psx: crash bash, crash team racing
ps2: godhand, Ico, Tenchu
ps3: Asura's Wrath, nba street, Earthworm Jim HD
there are games like ninja gaiden , okami or vanquish that i would like to see the ps4 remastered versions to the service and not the original.
Re: Sony Responds to Activision Blizzard Buyout, Expects Games to Still Come to PS5, PS4
@Kienda microsoft has lost 300 billion of it's value the last month. These numbers mean nothing. Stocks go up and down. It's a game people play.
Re: Sony Responds to Activision Blizzard Buyout, Expects Games to Still Come to PS5, PS4
@Kienda It fell 13% yesterday and already today risen 6% .Before the news they were in all time high. They are fine.