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It certainly looks better, but that's about it. And at the price point I wouldn't buy it unless there was a CE in the UK.
Why not just release a playable demo ahead of release so people can decide better?

@Akurusu I know right!
But once you did it, what a feeling.

In this game, once you get past that pain in the arse part... you literally have to do it again.

I hate that.

@Cloud39472 thanks.
I have a neurological disorder, so sadly it'll never improve.
But who cares when you can play playstation? Literally has saved my life by reducing depression about my circumstances. Something to be thankful for.

@Constable_What to be honest, if you're buying this game for great gameplay... you might as well save your money and watch a walkthrough online...

@Cloud39472 sorry about that, I haven't been well for a few years and my short term memory isn't very good. No offence intended.

I'm sure people will disagree, but let me out it this way...
Remember in the TLOU, hanging upside down while infected come towards you and you fight for your life?
Remember that moment after storming that house and taking over the sniper post?
Remember the elation you felt getting to Ellie's hospital room?
The temporary elation meeting Harry and Sam?
The craziness of Bill?
The ending? The beginning?

Hardly anything will stick in your memory in this game. It's like the Order 1886 in a post-apocalytic setting. There are no great moments, other than the one you're REALLY p***ed off that happened.

@Akurusu have to admit, I was expecting something far better. The 100% scores have just added fuel to a fire. It's not a 10% game even to the most ardent fan.

@Constable_What all games are marketing, to be honest.

@Constable_What can't agree there. It's far more gameplay than story driven, even compared to its predecessor. At points, infuriatingly so (one of my criticisms).

@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L both you and Cloud49572 would give it a marginally higher score than me, and I suppose that's based on how we weight our scoring. For me, TLOU was mainly driven by the story, the characters and their development, and what it brought new to the table.
For me TLOU2 falls down on these but also other elements: such as (if we're honest, terrible) combat mechanics, bad AI, etc.
Given how long we waited for this, I feel it could have been much better

@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L I'm using a phone but things don't load in a rational order. I may have overlooked some settings.

@Constable_What well, I'm sure the cost will come down over time. It's not urgent that people play a game right away.

@Constable_What didn't say you had, was just responding and giving my view. It wasn't solely about your views, in fact I was agreeing with most of what you said.
Maybe the nuance was lost because it's all in text.

@Constable_What besides, plenty of us have paid for the games. Yeah, they might seem expensive. But given what the production budgets are now, and that game companies have to turn a profit to justify their budgets, I don't think games are over-priced.

@Constable_What I think the point people are making is that you can't really express an opinion on an experience unless you've experienced it.

@Cloud39472 yeah.
I just hate the way the reviews are mainly based around political ideology. The left wing press (e.g. Guardian) are giving this a solid 100%, while right wing sources have nothing to say that's positive.
But then, the critics do get things wrong. This is like Days Gone in reverse where the critics were harsh and gamers loved it.
I find it odd how well it has done with the critics and media.
We all have our own biases; as an example I love the Watch Dogs and Far Cry games, and my favourite games of all time are WD2 and FC5. But there's no way on Earth I'd give those games 100%. There's always something missing.

@Constable_What so don't play it then, and stop whining. It's nobody else's problem. Either buy a game, or don't. It's not the end of the world, just entertainment.
Believe it or not, some people don't even play games.
Shock... horror....

@Constable_What meh, I bought the collectors edition. Gamers will pay what games cost.

@Cloud39472 I can see your point there.
I just find it strange that reviewers are giving this mostly 0% or 100%.
It's good, but not great, and certainly not terrible.

@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L not showing up that way in my feed. Maybe it's my browser?

@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L
I don't disagree with you there. Everything is closely becoming a farce. Leftist media (and it is leftist) are giving this game ridiculously high scores seemingly because rightist don't like it.
User scores are giving this game ridiculously low scores because the leftists love it.
It's sad to see. There's a lot this game can be praised and criticised for, as with all games.
Personally, I'm not taking a political side on this because the "woke stuff" in the game (and it would be dishonest to pretend it isn't there) is so vague and petty, it isn't worth worrying over. I'm actually a little depressed that the hobby I love has become bogged down with political fighting.
I'll stand be my scores until I finish it - 6, possibly 7, out of 10. There's no way this is a 100% or worse, 0%, game.

Another thing: could we at least see comments either by how popular they are, or the time they were posted?
Not just if someone agree with PS and how "awesome" the game is?

@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L
Why is this even about ideology? Why is anyone getting annoyed over that?
It's its own story and game, and the be honest it's not a terrible game, nor is it amazing. It's above average, but nothing special.
Anyone who wants to make this about homosexuality, left or right wing talking points, etc, is a moron. Plenty of entertainment media pushes the envelope when it comes to social issues, but they don't have to be appraised by the social standards of the day.
Let's just judge it on its own merits.

Am I the only one who doesn't want to to pretend this is the greatest game ever, because everyone seems to want to argue from an ideological perspective, or because we all loved the first game?
I've only cleared day 3 in Seattle, but there are some serious problems to me.
First is: it drags, in a bad way. There are numerous sections where you think "I'm glad I got through that", only for the same thing to happen immediately after. It feels like ND are just trying to make the game larger at the expense of moving the story forward or the player even caring anymore about getting to the end. Yes, difficult points are important in a game, but there has to be some let up, or a change of pace otherwise is gets monotonous.
This also happens in the flashbacks. Important as they are, they are much longer than they should be. ND have let themselves down with the pacing - they could have halved this content and still told a great story. The problem with the story is the pacing, as we. It's drawn out in a way the first one wasn't. What made TLOU magical was the story, character development, and how it dragged you in to the world. This time around, things seem a little forced, character development is almost non-existent, and as for the characters themselves, it's difficult to really care for any of them other than Joel and Ellie. Abby doesn't make sense as a character in her personality. Dinah and Jesse? I just cannot feel anything for them, they're very 1D.
There's a lot to love about this game, and a lot more flaws I have found. But let's stop attacking each other over whether they liked a game or not.
I'd give this 6, at most 7, out of 10.

I really hope so, those games were great: different, humorous, fun and challenging.

Thisbis basically why I always wait a week or so before playing new games. There will inevitably be a "version 1.xx" in that time.

On graphics? The Order 1886, Get Even, RDR2, BF1, Mafia 3.
Just personal choices.

NOT Days Gone.
Thanks a lot, Yodel!