A Naughty Dog developer has argued there's "no comparison" between the gameplay of The Last of Us: Part I remake on PS5 when compared to the PS3 original. Senior environment texture artist Jonathon Benainous said that "having played both, there is no comparison between PS3 & PS5" in response to a fan questioning whether the remake's gameplay will be close to that of The Last of Us: Part II.
Benainous points out that criticism pointed towards the lack of gameplay evolution is from fans who haven't "actually had their hand on the controller", suggesting the new PS5 version does feel different when you compare it to the 2013 title. Furthermore, he explains that adding the prone mechanic to The Last of Us: Part I would have essentially broken the flow of combat since environments weren't built around it.
In a separate tweet, the senior environment texture artist says it was difficult to see the gameplay leaks happen before Naughty Dog was ready to show the game, especially since the footage "leaked in low rez, with a messed up color grading and no HDR". Since gameplay was posted online from external sources, the Uncharted developer posted an official look at the game with an extended deep dive that seemed to sway some opinions more positively.
The post is another in a line of tweets from current and former employees who have worked on the remake at some point or another, with animator Robert Morrison — who now works at Sony Bend — arguing against the claims The Last of Us: Part I is a "cash grab". In response, he said: "Actually it’s the most meticulously built and crafted project that I have ever seen or been a part of in my entire career. The highest level of care and attention to detail possible."
Pre-orders for the game are now available through the link.
I don't they anyone was comparing it to the PS3 version. It's the PS4 remastered thats it being compared to.
I’m looking forward to it. I believe the devs when they say how much of an improvement it’s going to be.
A guy who worked on it isn't going to say otherwise is he, really?
Can't believe this passes as news....
Anyway, time to get me some 🍿... Again.
How much more drama can Naughty Dog and fans get into? This day and age of social media is very worrisome
Finding it hilarious at this point how much NaughtyDog is actually trying to defend this.
People will buy it either way.
I won't as I don't agree with the price or the need to even remaster/remake it.
It doesn't matter what they say at this point, the internet already decided on the matter. Everyone's wallets will speak on the final matter when it's out.
@rawzeku I'm not buying it either, ND can ***** off
And now they feel like they have to justify themselves... "Don't worry it's just the lighting, I promise it's worth 70€ !"
What a joke.
The people thats complaining they are a bunch of hypocrites and they will still will buy this game🤔.come on dogs.enough said word up son
This is getting boring now, those that want the game will buy it, those moaning about the price don't buy it, so simple.
Now can we all move on
yet no mention of the PS4 version? lol, what a bunch of jokers
Also to all those moaning about the price, its playstation themselves that set the price not the individual studios, instead of attacking naughty dog why don't you aim your anger at playstation themselves
@BlaBlaBla Impossible not to read this in the voice of Reyn from Xenoblade.
The graphical upgrade wasn't the issue.
The lack of updated gameplay mechanics and removal of the online mode (very underrated and enjoyable) is causing the uproar.
When you say "Rebuilt from the ground up on PS5" for a 9 year old game that already has a remaster, expectations will be raised.
@mrtennis1990 So glad I left all social media behind me, couldn't take it anymore.
The problem is that they are thinking of two different things.. the Naughty Dog Developers are looking at how much work they put onto it and how technologically superior it is... But that's mot relevant to most consumers.. consumers don't care about real time vs pre rendered or any of that... Only how betters it looks, and to the untrained eye it doesn't look $70.00 better
Naughty Dog's environmental artists are the best in the business - and I'm incredibly excited for this release. Only 38 more days to go!
The biggest difference is the price am I right
Don't recall hearing the same vitriol aimed at GTA5 or Skrim which has been re-release a few times now too.
Nobody is forcing anyone to buy it, unfortunately, folks who arent interested cannot simply ignore the game and move on with their day, instead they have to winge and moan.
I am excited for any excuse to replay my favourite game again personally, I can't wait!
If your comparison benchmark in 2022 is the ps3 and its 256mb of RAM, color me unimpressed.
Very suspect and honestly embarrassing the play on words here. Obviously if you compare it to the ps3 such can be said.
Newsflash naughty dog, you already remastered this game. This second remaster is being compared to that.
Jesus ND, really Starting to feel like hearing used car salesmen trying to justify the sticker price on a car that they installed an after market tech upgrade, touched up missing paint with a sharpie and put covers over the seats and called it a rebuilt car and are selling it at full new car retail pricing.
@Lovespuds Skyrim was a free upgrade - only there was a paid DLC which was not mandatory to get the PS5 upgrade. GTA V launched for a fraction of the price (I think it was 10 at launch), not 70 as Sony is asking.
I think the "vitriol" comes mostly from it being priced at the same price as a new game, with no upgrade path or discounted pricing for what is a 9 year old game.
"And the prone, would have simply broken the gameplay, and the combat space as it wasn't built this way originally."
Not on a remake....
because the combat space and gameplay would have been built up together to incorporate these features.
Unless of course, you just ported over the gameplay and combat spaces like you would in a remaster?
I called it a remaster early on based on the first cutscenes that they showed off, but people were adamant that this was a remake. At this point I'm enjoying the devs trying to defend their game by calling it a remaster in all but name.
@dschons you do realize that posting on pushquare also counts as social media, right?
@Richnj in other words, you just want to confirm your bias. No matter what they say, doesn't matter to you. You had made up your mind with close to zero evidence.
I, and many others, remain sceptical till the reviews are out.
@Richnj now, that's a point I would be interested in hearing the devs thoughts on.
@KundaliniRising333 "Jesus ND, really Starting to feel like hearing used car salesmen trying to justify the sticker price on a car that they installed an after market tech upgrade, touched up missing paint with a sharpie and put covers over the seats and called it a rebuilt car and are selling it at full new car retail pricing."
Damned when they didn't address the controversy, damned when they do.
You can't win with internet people. It's like playing chess with a pigeon.
Just want this out so everyone can shut up about it. If you dont want it dont buy it and send the signal that they should do this or that for that price in the future.
"My art is brilliant!", says paid artist.
And why is he comparing it to PS3 rather than the PS4 remaster that's the only one in question because that's the one people can actively play? Their endless damage controlling is humorous though. It looks like like the criticism is being heard, and is effective in expressing dissatisfaction with what they're offering if they feel the need to keep trying to control the optics. Keep it up, everyone that does not accept what they propose! Keep it civil, but keep it up!
@Richnj Exactly that. One side of the mouth says "rebuilt from the ground up, a remake!" The other side of the mouth says "oh, we couldn't change gameplay because the existing level assets were locked in 2013, can't change 'em!" So did you remake them from the ground up and could remake them however you wanted, or did you just migrate finished assets from one format to another with little to no no manual alteration? "Build from the ground up" and "can't change gameplay because the assets weren't built for that 9 years ago" are not compatible statements.
The original Last of Us isn't even that great anyway, so not hard to make something better. I mean, just replace Joel with a sentient refrigerator and no way the game would've been as popular.
It honestly looks a world apart technically, while also sticking very close to the overall OG vibe. So much better with advanced lighting and animation techniques!
The whole naming something a "remake" instead of "remaster" seems to be the sticking point for many people here, along with the price tag of course. Just wait for a price drop, peeps!
Oh I sure do hope we get many more individual articles like this for TLOU. They are riveting. Oooh I hope we are getting a "Soapbox" piece next 😂 /s
@Milktastrophe I'd be interested in seeing how it would go over if he was replaced with a cat...
Edit - in fact, I'll be honest, I'd probably give them the £70 for that.
Put out a demo like they did on the PS3 and let everyone decide for theirselves. If I remember correctly the demo on PS3 was the section right after they picked up Ellie. Put the same section of the game out as a demo.
@Dudditz09 that's why I couldn't say cat, because that'd probably make the game more awesome! 😆 Imagine after Tess leaves the party, Ellie's just like, uh yeah I'll just follow this cat now.
@BleedingDreamer i'm sure there will be a PS+ game trial
@Milktastrophe I've already got my wallet out 😂
@NEStalgia TL;DR: this product is not for you. Do not buy it. Don't harass the hard-working devs about it because they don't decide which project they choose to pursue or the price point.
Don't buy it?
Demon Souls is still 69.99$ rip off bucks. Did you wail and gnash your teeth at that one as well?
What about say the Mario 3D collection on Switch? I mean I own Galaxy; it should be free right?
Just don't buy it and save your keyboard the stress and not complain constantly.
@naruball "You had made up your mind with close to zero evidence."
No, I had the cutscenes. The cutscenes themselves were so identical, it would be near impossible to do that without using the original data. They clearly hadn't been remade as you'd see in a remake.
And if you are using original cutscene animations, why wouldn't they be using original gameplay too?. I've never seen a remake use original cutscenes and brand new gameplay. Never. It usually happens the other way round. Where original gameplay is kept, but cutscenes are redone. Kinda like Halo 2A.
It was an occam's razor deal. Given the available info, it looked like a remaster, so I called it one.
"you just want to confirm your bias. No matter what they say"
No and yes. I'm more inclined to believe what I see more than what I'm told, and if the gameplay had come out and it was clearly remade, I would have said so. But we've seen the gameplay and all the things people were hoping for, aren't there. It's the same game. And now you have the devs outright admitting it.
You don't have to wait for the reviews, if there was some big gameplay changes, ND would be using that to market the game for it's release in about a month's time.
@supermax4 Nobody's harassing the devs, except for calling them out on nonsequiturs when they choose to speak and defend the product from criticism using contradicting statements. People are voicing dissatisfaction with the product offered, the claims made about it, and the pricing, be it from the studio management or the publisher, and they are doing so in a prominent enough way the devs (but notably not the management) seem to feel the need to try to defend the product and control the conversation. That's very different from harassing devs and what happened to the GoW:R team.
Guys...I recently had a malfunction on my PS4 pro, and I don't own a PS5...so I hooked the PS3 on my 4K UHD TV, and played exactly Last of us ....I was incredibly surprised of the graphics and the handling of the old console. Of course there are going to be a difference, but don't forget how good the page still is. On ny other TV I have connected both ps2 and 3 and still enjoy them.
Another the last of us remake article..this has got to be the most covered game since cyberpunk..cant people move on as i'm pretty sure just about everything has been commented on now..
PS5 renders graphics in higher resolution than PS3 shocker..
Unfortunately, you've already given us a 4K version on something called the PS4 Pro so how does it compare to that? Actually, it seems to look a bit worse?
@NEStalgia What do you want they did their job it looks fantastic. I would love to know when Cyberpunk will be fixed for the PS4. Zelda will probably be remastered for the Switch 2. Skyrim will be rereleased with a higher resolution and framerate to the PS6 and Xbox XXX and Switch 2 what a problem ill buy this one instead.
@sword_9mm The tone of your post makes you sound much more stressed than I’ve ever been. I was just responding to the guy that compared it to Skyrim and GTA V and explaining why I think it’s a way different scenario.
Since you mentioned it, I didn’t buy Demon’s Souls and Nintendo gets the same amount of criticism for selling old games at full price (however the Mario 3D All Stars collection consisted in 3 games at the full price). I have been guilty of buying all the Mario remasters, but primarily because I never had a Nintendo system since my Nintendo 64 until the Switch, so Sunshine, Galaxy and 3D World were all new games for me and I’ll always have a soft spot for Mario.
@Casco You really should get Demon Souls its fantastic.
It's a very slow news time but pages must be filled and clicked. Nature of the business.
Pretty much 0 interesting things happening in gaming at the moment. I guess Nvidia's new car sized 8billion watt GFX cards should be shown sometime soon.
@Flaming_Kaiser I recently added to my library since I got PS+ Extra, but I got sidetracked with Returnal and recently I picked up Elden Ring on Xbox Series X again - Demon's Souls will be next once I'm done with that one.
They should just create a comparison video of the gameplay at this point than responding to people on twitter.
He's 100% right too. Dumb people who think prone should be in the game have no idea how much it impacts gameplay and how levels would have to change. At that point it wouldn't be a remake and then they'd just complain more.
@NEStalgia If people are dissatisfied with the product offered, they should just not buy it. Don't go to an environmental texture artist and tell him he did a bad job. Yes, obviously he is defending his game because he worked hard on it for two years. YOU can choose to ignore this release, ignore all the developers, don't choose to be toxic and just simply move on . All the negativity surrounding TLOU is so sad to see.
Part I will be amazing, just as the original and Part II. It sell well and I'm very excited to play through my favourite game again.
Im ready for this to release that way we won’t have to hear about it much anymore. Except for when it beats Elden Ring for GotY. Lol.
Sony needs to put a ban on all comms and let the finished product speak for itself now.
They're not going to change anyone's opinions at this point and the constant defending comes across as weak.
They could have remade the game to support the prone feature. Really his excuse just proves its a remake in visuals only with some PS5 features thrown in and honestly even visually its lacking for a full price remake with some shots looking weaker then the PS4 remaster. Like look at Demons Souls Remake, the jump in visuals is massive, DS on PS3 looks pretty awful even for its time while DS on PS5 is one of the best looking games out there. This remake of TLoU just feels like a remaster with a high quality texture pack and "improved" lighting and character models.
@NEStalgia Yeah, I think "rebuilt" and not "remade" was purposely worded on their part. "Rebuilt" sounds like "remade", it's certainly not "remaster", but when you think of it, it's also telling. The words do have different meanings, and we don't use "rebuilt" when we talk about remakes in video games. Why wouldn't they just say "remade"?.
"Rebuilt" to me, sounds like you took the original, broke it down, and used the materials to reconstruct it somewhere else. Like putting the London Bridge in Arizona.
@Americansamurai1 and PS4 remaster has identical gameplay, so what is your point? The man said it: you can't just go left and right and implement TLOUp2 all gameplay aspects as they would then need to totally rework everything.
Wait a second. Wasn't this supposed to be a remake from grounds up? Ooops.
Just forget it dude, this is just a continuation of their atrocious PS3 to PS4 "upgrade". No discount for previous owners (God forbid a free upgrade). I stopped paying top dollar to Naughty Dog long time ago and I am happier for it. Got a huge backlog and I CAN WAIT. I played TLOUp2 when it came to PS NOW. Cool game.
I was and still am a rabid TLOU (1) fan but there is zero chances I am buying this before it hits the proverbial dirt cheap discount bin (i.e. until they inevitably put it on that PS Plus Mumbo Jumbo whatchamacallit extra/premium tier).
@Flaming_Kaiser Mostly I want them to not try to spin a product as a product it isn't to justify a price that's inappropriate. It does look nice. And as is common to remasters some scenes may look worse, too even if it looks mostly better. And they tuned and tweaked how it handles. But at the end of the day it's a remaster. It's the same game with some visual enhancements to bring it's appearance up to current hardware and some polishing of the handling. What it's not is "built from the ground up" with "modernized gameplay" (he literally just said so by identifying the level design as unaltered, and that the existing assets limited the gameplay design.) But Neil tried to claim it was.
Cyberpunk is a strange choice to defend it though. Cyberpunk created a total poopstorm, remains a joke for it's PS4 release, generated the first known case of a mass refund policy from console vendors, and is a watchword for how to totally fail to other studios. If there's any echoes of Cyberpunk to compare to, then that means this game deserves the criticism, as Cyberpunk also has been raked over the coals, and rightfully so. Although at least Cyberpunk's problem was excessive ambition as opposed to no ambition at all
Yeah, Zelda probably will be remastered and it will be called out, and it will be just as gross as this, if not moreso. I don't know about a Skyrim remake since Bethesda has never really done remakes of anything, even with games that truly deserve it (Morrowind, Oblivion, Daggerfall). Bethesda seems to mostly focus on the next project, and they have their hands very full. That's something that ND really should have been doing. The remaster of skyrim was a definite improvement and out of nowhere, but also didn't consume tremendous time "rebuilding" the game from the ground up just for enhanced visuals.
Bethesda might be a good example though of where a remake really is needed. Morrowind for example is a great game in a great world, but is catastrophically dated to the point it's nearly unplayable even if modern hardware can run it and make it look nice. But fixing that would require truly remaking it. All of it. From the levels to the UI, to the controls, animations, sounds, questing, inventory, absolutely everything. It would have to be a retelling of Morrowind as a new game, much like the FF remakes except hopefuly without screwing up the story. But they so far have never expressed interest in rebuilding these old worlds and instead focus on a whole new entry. Skyrim had 2 remastered rereleases, but the first was reduced priced and jumped between consoles without BC, and the second was free if you bought the second. Not really comparable. Skyrim is really the ideal of how these situations should work, even if it could be argued they were too generous due to MS money.
@supermax4 Nobody is saying this guy did a bad job making environmental textures, which is what he did for some period of time over 2 years span. The criticism is the product, and the claim he's made in contrast with what management claimed. If it's good enough for you, great! But that doesn't negate the criticism based on misleading marketing claims.
@Richnj Definitely careful word selection was involved. And that's troubling. And not dissimilar from some of the prelaunch PS5 marketing claims (generations etc) that were stated a certain way, created a certain community reaction, and then the company never stepped in to interrupt the beneficial narrative the carefully led community manufactured on their own. A remake is just that, a remake. A whole new creation retelling the familiar narrative, but in a new way, in a modern game design. Here he's literally saying they did not redesign the game, they maintained the original assets and the limitations created by them. Rebuilt in a new way or in higher quality or not, the assets are the same with the same limitations.
I get why they had to make this. The old PS3 engine is probably about as portable to PC as FFXIII's Crystal Tools is portable to modern consoles, so they needed a new engine, and to do that they probably need to recreate a lot of meshes, scripts, animations, and assets, because the PS3 stuff is probably entirely incompatible with anything modern, and if doing that, might as well throw some spice in there and make some other improvements while they're wading in the murk. But the goal was not to "remake" the game in a modern way, it was purely to bring the game 1:1 to a new engine they can port to PC, with some enhancements while they're at it. But that doesn't focus test well. So instead it's marketing-enhanced as a "rebuilt from the ground up modernization" like you've never seen it before, play it again for the first time! It's the dishonesty that bugs me. If they just said "hey, we rebuilt assets for a PC engine port, you can buy it on PS5 for excessive premium so you're not left behind PC, thanks for being a loyal customer, insert coin to continue" I still wouldn't like their policy but I'd respect them more than....this. Persona5/Ys8 is offensive. This is less offensive but more insulting.
At this point it's just noise. Everyone has made up their mind one way or the other. If ND is that confident this was absolutely worth the effort then let the game speak for itself. As for folks not in support of this project just hang in there. It will come and go before you know it. And for the folks buying it, I hope you enjoy it and don't regret your purchase.
@NEStalgia the term 'remake' is relatively new, and very open ended. Your lengthly description is more what you expect of one.
Ie final fantasy 7 remake likely fits your description, yet there is quite a sizable crowd of people who think it has wandered so far that it doesn't deserve the word.
@NEStalgia Oh yeah. I'd respect the hell out of that. Being treated with a bit of respect, and like a valued customer, and not a consumer, is a great way to get my money. Personally.
“Wasn’t originally built this way”…again, is it a REMAKE from the ground up, or a remaster???
Can already tell this game is going to get review bombed on metacritic, which is unfair for naughty dog as they have done an amazing job.
Its sonys fault for the price but naughty dog are the ones who's going to have to face abuse, death threats, and people slandering their work on sites like this, social media and reviews.
Sony need to look after their studios better
No one has said this isnt going to be better than the ps3 version. They have only said the difference between the ps4 remaster and whatever this is isnt a 70 dollar upgrade.
I've decided to make up my mind about this remaster after it's out and been properly reviewed. I have no plans on buying it anyways as I've already played it multiple times on os3 and ps4.
Protecting that cash cow, huh?
They know their fans will buy it, they can stop defending it.
Tlou is probably the best game ever. I've played them all. Will I buy it, yes but not at £70.
I would have rather naughty dog made tlou3 and corrected their woke story of part 2
This is definitely a weird one for sure. While I'll admit as it is right now with everything we've seen and know without playing it for ourselves it doesn't look like the traditional remake like FF7, RE1 and RE2 where they look completely different to the originals. Here's the thing though this Last of Us doesn't sound like a traditional remaster either. There's far too much work done on it to be considered just remastered and yet it's not the traditional remake either. It's like a very weird inbetween I dunno. The remastered versions of Sleeping Dogs or GoW3 are perfect examples of something remastered where everything is identical to the original just running on a more capable console with zero changes. Call it what you will remake, pointless, no one asked for it, remastered, cash grab I do know one thing this ain't no traditional remaster. I'll be enjoying it day one to find out for myself in my own living room set up. Anyone trying to say why I shouldn't purchase it is like trying to convince a fish to get out of the water and live a nice dry life on land ain't happening
@TheDudeElDuderino nice essay
@Americansamurai1 right, which is why there is no mention because they have to build a fake argument (straw man) to win an argument no one is having. That’s why the running meme is TLOU: Remastered Remaster. The way they’re handling this is making me believe in all the ridicule that’s been levied at them for the past couple of years. Shameful.
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This comments section is nuts
@BleedingDreamer As if they would let people use anything but blind faith and fanboyism guide their informed purchase decision.
Gawtdamn. Pushsquare is really pushing this narrative. We get it, cash grab for some, not others. Devs and some online defend it, others don't.
Im sure he would say this. He wants ot to sell
Please insert 'X Doubt' gif
@Balosi Actually I'm not a big fan of the "reimagining" of ff7. I don't hate it but I don't love it. I expected taking the story, characters, and scenes of the original in a completely new game with modern systems and design sensibilities as though ff7 we're a new rpg being made today with today's knowledge and expectations, not a completely new story that runs parallel to to original. So, no, I wouldn't expect tlou1 to reinvent it's story or tell a new one. Buta remake would be expected to be an actual new gameplay/environment design to tell to original story through a modernly designed game. Not just the original game with enhanced asset quality and animation which falls way more in line with what we expect from a remaster than a remake.
Stop comparing it to the PS3 version. Let's compare to the version that is playable on PS4 and PS5, and then that price tag feels too much.
“Going prone would break the game”.. well that’s for YOU TO FIGURE OUT FOR 70$!? We expected remade levels for the new mechanic, we didn’t want to play the ps4 remake AGAIN!? So there is no new content for the game then? It just plays better than PS3 but exactly like PS4 (which is the version EVERYONE IS COMPARING THE GAME TO) ND is really going on my nerves defending this clear cashgrab.
I figure that would be the kind of stuff a Remake would not have to worry about. A remaster, on the other hand, needs to stick to the old rules.
@UltimateOtaku91 it makes me so upset knowing the review bombing is coming.
It’s genuinely sad picturing all the sad internet gremlins sitting in the dark or worse, on the toilet, typing away about a game they will claim they played.
Ahh, seeing as it’s the same game only dressed up there is an obvious and total comparison lol
So...this game is re-engineered not re-designed. I guess they remade new assets, they just didn't make a new blueprint.
@NEStalgia i have to be honest and say that even though i'm not a fan of this game i think the visuals were exceptional on the ps3 and the ps4 update just refined them..this remake/remaster looks damn nice so i think its hard to improve on a game that visually was superb on both previous gen consoles..i thought skyrim was a bloody lazy remaster and i say this because when i built my gaming pc around 10 years ago and bought skyrim the amount of graphical mods that were ready for use made the game look 50 times better than the ps5 version..i know there are mods you can use but there is nothing that can even compete at the same level of fidelity for skyrim on the ps5..my pc is positivley ancient compared to the ps5 and the only component in my pc that stands up to the ps5 is probably the msi gtx970 graphics card installed..so really skyrim on the ps5 was a cash grab and a lazy half arsed one..this game has had a lot of work done to just about everything in it and its being slagged off left right and center by everybody who is still going to get it day one and then proclaim it as the 3rd coming..the 2nd was elden ring🤪.
Sony is coming across mighty spineless in this whole affair. All this negativity and bad pr is happening because of their bad management and absurd pricing. I think it would be more productive to channel the complaints in their direction instead of Naughty Dog to be honest.
Why on Earth they didn't price this like a mid price game in the vein of Miles Morales is beyond me. The model was there, they've just chosen to ignore it for some reason.
@Old-Red Honestly Sony has been pretty awful this gen. Yes, their studios are still firing out great games, but some of the decisions the hierarchy have been making and the way they’re communicating them is troubling.
I wonder how many that complain that the Last of us remake is made did buy the crash ans Spyro collection. Jak and daxter collection (PS3/PS4), sly Cooper trilogy, shadow of the collusus remaster and remake, demon's souls. Mass effect, etc. Wich are all the same as the original gameplay wise. I agree on the pricetag though, for me this should be a 50€ game instead of a 75.
@Martijn87 you really trying to compare crash & spyro trilogy's with this ? Those were ps1 games that's were completely remade everything & they were priced very generously
@Would_you_kindly only on the gameplay and level design being the same. On price and graphics comparison there's no match. Crash and Spyro wins by miles.
@Martijn87 There's a difference of a remaster/remake from PS3 to PS4 as there is no backwards compatibility.
PS5 remasters of a PS4 game, especially from the Pro era, just smacks of cash grabbing and this is the title that just takes the biscuit.
Personally, I think Sony are preying on their own PS5 mugs...er, I mean customers, who will buy anything PS5 only to have it on their shelf and not jar every time they see the blue and white PS4 logo.
I'm still waiting, for almost 2 years now, for a PS5 game to blow my socks off and make me want one. With Sony's lacklustre output, I may have to look to the 3rd party studios pushing out something that's actually next gen.
I've learned not to care at all about this kind of stuff. I don't care what the media is saying people are saying because I don't care what people are saying.
The facts are the game isn't released. The previous release was highly politicised with any good reason.
No one's forcing anyone to buy this.
@ShadowofSparta I still don't understand why there hasn't been a state of play for TLOU and God of War. I don't think I have seen any gameplay of God of war which seems strange unless it will spoil a big reveal like you dont play as Kratos
My personal opinion on the whole thing is that it wasn't needed seems a waste of talent to be honest. I do feel this gen is all about remakes/remasters and sequels I doubt we will see many new IP's this generation. A lot of the discussion would be moot if they priced it reasonably. But I can see why they are doing it as from talking to a few people and reading the comments there is enough people that will buy it at full cost because its TLOU
@bindiana I'd change your last part to say "enough people that will buy it at full cost because its PS5 only" as I can't see anyone who's played the PS4 remaster (especially on a Pro/PS5) forking out any money for a worse looking version of a very polished game.
It certainly looks better, but that's about it. And at the price point I wouldn't buy it unless there was a CE in the UK.
Why not just release a playable demo ahead of release so people can decide better?
My issue is all the podcasts and developers all just try and keep comparing the transition from ps3 version to the ps5 version and the reasoning behind such a high price for a remaster.
Yet seems to me that they are forgetting we got a great remaster on ps4 and a ps4 pro version.
Comparison is we got spiderman miles morales at a cheap price with the inclusion of spiderman remaster for free.
It just doesn't make sense. It is a cash grab whatever way you look at it.
They could of just patched in a ps5 version and be fine with it but they want the money.
As a consumer i understand the 70$ price tag when the developer put enormous effort 5-6 years to give me a new and unique experience. What effort Naughty Dog put to this remake for 2 years so it deserves 70$ price? same game, same story with only few updates...no no no...the 70$ price tag is hilarious for this minor effort from the developer.
Will adding a vibrating feed back controller REALLY make much difference? Maybe but not enough to justify paying and playing again
The relentless PR is a tad concerning.
@Martijn87 they're platformers there's not really much they could've changed & as a fan I wouldn't have wanted them to change anything
When seeing Druckman reveal this remake the first time I had the distinct impression that it was something he didn't really want to make, but was ordered to by the higher ups at Sony.
Kinda like "OK we'll let you make that new IP you were so excited about, but first we just need this little favour"
@Bez87 Spider-Man remastered didn't come free with miles Morales you had to buy the ultimate edition to get it
@Northern_munkey "so really skyrim on the ps5 was a cash grab and a lazy half arsed one"
The PS5 upgrade was free. Kinda hard to cash grab when you don't charge money.
The Anniversary content was a DLC bundle for both PS4 and PS5 and was like £16. Which would be a massive discount on that content if compared to being bought through the original creation club store.
I wouldn't classify 'free and a discount' as a cash grab. Lazy?, sure, cash grab? no.
@Richnj ooops my bad..sorry everybody i got carried away with the "cash grab" madness...apologies all round..👍
@Northern_munkey Haha, @Richnj already beat me to the punch. The main take away from this whole TLOU thing is that I really feel bad for Bethesda. They handed out something for free and everyone thinks they're charging for it
@NEStalgia Yes! I think we must give Bethesda their due.
@HarmanSmith i dont think we should..they could have done so much more with their skyrim remaster..i love skyrim and i played the pc version to death but the ps5 version should have been more..l
This place is turning in to cesspool ! Buy the dam thing or don.t stop all the crying every day !
This seems somewhat disingenuous; people's expectations are for an improvement over the remaster, not the original PS3 version. We have already had that...
Give ya about three fiddy for it.
@Northern_munkey Yeah, I'd like to have seen a more thorough update to it, and that probably would have cost money for an upgrade, but it's definitely not Bethesda's style. I don't think they've ever "remade" anything, they just go onto the next project and take any improvements forward. They could have made a lot of money remaking Morrowind and Oblivion during the Skyrim hype era, but Todd doesn't like to polish old games when there's new bugs yet to be experienced. It just works!
Plus they know the modders already make the enhancements for the game, and it's already out there on PC for free, which is their main platform, so they'd probably suffer pretty low sales from any remake anyway.
Skyrim still suffers 7th gen grey/brown texture syndrome, but it looks pretty ok. Even Oblivion (on PC, and XB which uses the PC textures, but not on PS) looks pretty good still, but the UI has tons of jank is largely ok. Morrowind probably really deserves a remake. But if they ever try that we won't get TES6 until 2043.
@rawzeku You must be stupid if you can't use google to find day one games at under full RRP
I have pre-ordered for PS5, can't wait to play this
@UltimateOtaku91 lol Naughty Dog is owned by Sony, you doofus.
@Maximos you think I don't know that, but it's sony who set the prices not the studios, so it's pointless aiming abuse at naughty dogs staff
While I appreciate your general point and snark, they ARE fully compatible statements. You can rebuild a game "from the ground up" in a new engine but just copy the gameplay and level design as is. This isn't a REIMAGINING unlike Final Fantasy 7 "remake" (wrong term in my book) or Resdient Evil 2 & 3 that completely changes all the gameplay and is effectively an entirely new game just with thematic ideas from the original.
It's clear to all of us that this is mostly just a graphical remake, they haven't engaged the teams that deal with new gameplay ideas or level design and all the iteration involved in that. It's FAR less work this way.
I'm not trying to justify the remake - it's a waste of time in my book aside from the accessibility features - but it IS possible to remake a game from the ground up yet decide to keep the original gameplay. Even if I think that is the wrong choice in this case.
Also doesn't justify why it costs £70, which it shouldn't, and why it doesn't have an upgrade path. Won't be supporting it.
@Cornaboyzzz saw you get slapped up by SuperGT 😀
Never understood why people love this game so much, it is so repetitive,so boring
its concept stolen from diverse games mixed with a sauce of telltale walkining dead.
I played this game for 4 hours, then the story and gameplay starts to irritate on me. There are way better games in this genre, like day's gone.
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