Really hoping next year 2027 is the beginning of two top Sony Studio AAA games per year. So GOWL and Intergalactic for 2027 2028 maybe a new Astro Bot and something else.
Well it will be what it will be. And lessons will be learnt but the companies and the buyers.
The second biggest issue will be cross generation games for probably nearly all of next generation and with diminishing returns from a PS5 Pro to a PS6 and cross gen games not helping that. Next generation will be the hardest sell in game console history.
We know price matters lots, look in the UK PS5 sales dipping due a smallish price increase, even to point of letting Xbox consoles get to within 400 sales of the PS5.
And worldwide Nintendo are just kicking Sony in the nuts at 2:1 and outselling PS5 in all 3 main territories.
@themcnoisy It is not just 30 million consoles, it’s the cost of game development and only selling those exclusives games to 30 million consoles and that’s if everyone buys the game. Remember the big sellers are fifa, cod and Fortnite.
GOY has only just tipped 5 million sales with a 90 million plus PS5 user base.
@NerdyPaul And that is the potential threat to Sony and they will be aware of that.
Sony will only sell games to PlayStation consoles, same as Nintendo to their consoles.
But these high costs of consoles are making them concerned, sell less consoles the only place you sell games is not great.
Nintendo have some secret winning formula, basically based on less power, less console cost and less development cost.
Sony are known and admired for the power of their consoles and the games they can produce on it.
Due to rising costs and Sony only selling games on PS consoles next generation will very hard to sell especially as will have to make the games cross generation, to get any return on investment.
They are caught in a tricky situation.
They don’t have a 3 Trillion dollar daddy with them either.
I think the hard line Sony has is project Helix that seems to be heading for 2027 release with developer consoles going out to developers in January 2027.
Now we can all go XBOX with the silly console hybrid thing, but I don’t think Sony will see it like that.
Especially if XBOX do some PR and sell it as a console that can play all native series x games and PC games, then for fun XBOX could heavily take a big cost hit to sell the thing.
Well the PS5 Pro is £780 but not the main production machine.
Of course the PS6 has to be more powerful and have exclusives.
And there is the issue EXCLUSIVES, do we really think for probably at least for the first 2 years say Horizon 3 cost millions to develop it won’t be cross generation and on PS5 and PS5 Pro.
So the PS6 will have to show a very big difference over the PS5 and Pro version, even if they get the PS6 cost at say £750.
Next generation will at the moment be a very hard sell and mainly due to PRICE and CROSS GENERATION games.
It always amazes me how a few little independents having fun create stuff like this. You see it a lot with Nintendo stuff.
But massive organised studios with 100s of personnel at their disposal can’t and the top equipment and all the original source coding, data and assets can’t or don’t want to.
Too many coffee and biscuit meetings to discuss it for about 6 months before they even make a start. Hang on, let’s not forget Teams or Zoom for those working at home. 🤣🤣🤣
I wouldn’t mind AI so much of it was just used to improve human and planet and life etc.
Have you seen what it is being used for absolutely rubbish and wasteful most of it. So basically you could half all AI servers etc if it was just used for good and had usage control.
It depends on your market strategy. Sell at higher price but sell less but make more profit per unit.
Sell at lower price but sell more but make less profit.
Both have advantages and disadvantages.
As all common sense has left the game industry this generation, they all sell at a high price but sell less. However this will mean selling less games and less PSN etc etc.
There is absolutely no need for a UK PS5 digital to be £570 or a Pro at £790. Pure profiteering just like petrol and other goods currently in the UK.
Results since price hike, Xbox series £480 only 400 units behind PS5 recent sales in the UK.
I’m glad folks are voting with theirs wallets, might wake Sony up a bit.
Now don’t get me wrong I have a Pro, a Sony 65” TV and Sony Soundbar system, spent an about £4.5 thousand with Sony.
But Sony are an arse of business to me most of the time.
The biggest exclusive pull out for me was gears e day by XBOX. That had at least 300 million in revenue from PS sales, and the game must of been finished or almost on PS5 and Pro with enhancements.
Yet they are realising FH6, Halo and Fable on PS5. Seems a silly idea that far down the road and sends so many mixed signals to box Xbox and PlayStation fans.
Of course you have to get your return on investment and I guess a certain percentage for the effort put it, so maybe something like 5% return would not be enough. Also I do think there might some concerns about project Helix maybe having the ability to run those PS games.
I like exclusives on all platforms especially single player, as usually it enables the developers to really focus and get the best out of the console and also especially Sony and Nintendo use in house developed game engines which helps with that.
@ArcticSin But then again I’ve had ago about XBOX, but I’m here with a series x as well and GPU until into 2027 and I can’t fault it at the moment. I’m playing FH6 Next up Halo remake, then Gears e day and then Fable. And just downloading COD vanguard which is now free, never played it. Then that’s not including all little game like Minecraft dungeons 2 etc. and the dam it all looks so good on my Sony Bravia 9 65” TV.
@ArcticSin Well I think some game risks are taken by Sony, I mean Saros was a low selling risk Wolverine instead of Spider-Man 3 God of war using Laufey
@ArcticSin It’s a straight forward and sensible strategy and obviously very risk adverse, then Nintendo are the same when it comes to sharing anything.
But let’s be sensible, if series consoles where sitting at 90 plus thousand or at Nintendos level they would be doing exactly the same, apart from games on PC I think.
@ArcticSin Part of me thinks like the Lego HFW releasing on switch and games on PC, partly was to try and entice some to maybe buy a PS5 or Pro for the next big release in that series. A sort of FOMO strategy.
@Swirly You have to have a bit of sod em, but you know why. You have to fight fire with fire. And not bring a little knife to a gun fight, Which is what Xbox are doing.
You got to have strong spirit, put on your best fighting gear and turn up
I don’t think it would hurt PS5 sales if games went to PC.
But it is all about revenue and return on investment when porting to PC and how many copies you sell. And if it is worth the perceived loss to your console sale base. I think there is the little factor of project Helix that may of helped swing it a little but as well.
I mean look at Nintendo they don’t put a single game on anything bar a Nintendo console and I think they are doing great.
If next generation can’t match and go a fair bit above the PS5 Pro when programmed to its best ability, at a good price, then there is absolutely no point to next generation.
@Balosi I think they want to rely on studios that bring the big games and hopefully the money with them, profit in other words.
I don’t think moving forward XBOX are going to be into smaller games for game pass or just in general.
I don’t think they mind a big investment in say a gears e day or fable or FH6 as they know they can probably make on it, even if now or in the near future they can release on PS5 or Switch 2 and make good money back as well.
I think the wake up call was FH5 selling 5 million on PS5 and some smaller other games they released on PS5 doing terrible, which they already did terrible on XBOX and PC.
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Re: God of War Laufey Could Release as Early as February or March on PS5
Really hoping next year 2027 is the beginning of two top Sony Studio AAA games per year.
So GOWL and Intergalactic for 2027
2028 maybe a new Astro Bot and something else.
Re: 'Above $1,000 Is the Floor': Analysts Predict PS6 Price, and It's Not Good
Well it will be what it will be.
And lessons will be learnt but the companies and the buyers.
The second biggest issue will be cross generation games for probably nearly all of next generation and with diminishing returns from a PS5 Pro to a PS6 and cross gen games not helping that.
Next generation will be the hardest sell in game console history.
Re: DOOM: The Dark Ages Gets 'the Cleanest Image We Can Deliver' with PSSR 2 on PS5 Pro
It’s a great game but a bit muddy look wise, great to see PSSR 2 support to clean it up.
Re: Gallery: GTA 6 Looks Phenomenal in Dozens of New PS5 Screenshots
Give me some PS5 Pro game play and performance specs.
Re: GTA 6 'Plays Best on PS5', All Console Features Revealed
Would be great to get some PS5 Pro performance and enhancement details.
Re: Opinion: The PS6 Cannot Come Out in This Era of $1,000+ Consoles
We know price matters lots, look in the UK PS5 sales dipping due a smallish price increase, even to point of letting Xbox consoles get to within 400 sales of the PS5.
And worldwide Nintendo are just kicking Sony in the nuts at 2:1 and outselling PS5 in all 3 main territories.
Re: Opinion: The PS6 Cannot Come Out in This Era of $1,000+ Consoles
@themcnoisy
It is not just 30 million consoles, it’s the cost of game development and only selling those exclusives games to 30 million consoles and that’s if everyone buys the game.
Remember the big sellers are fifa, cod and Fortnite.
GOY has only just tipped 5 million sales with a 90 million plus PS5 user base.
It’s gonna be a rough time for the accountants.
Re: Opinion: The PS6 Cannot Come Out in This Era of $1,000+ Consoles
@Dimey
I know but it’s nice to have it in the background 🤣
Re: Opinion: The PS6 Cannot Come Out in This Era of $1,000+ Consoles
@NerdyPaul
And that is the potential threat to Sony and they will be aware of that.
Sony will only sell games to PlayStation consoles, same as Nintendo to their consoles.
But these high costs of consoles are making them concerned, sell less consoles the only place you sell games is not great.
Nintendo have some secret winning formula, basically based on less power, less console cost and less development cost.
Sony are known and admired for the power of their consoles and the games they can produce on it.
Due to rising costs and Sony only selling games on PS consoles next generation will very hard to sell especially as will have to make the games cross generation, to get any return on investment.
They are caught in a tricky situation.
They don’t have a 3 Trillion dollar daddy with them either.
Re: Opinion: The PS6 Cannot Come Out in This Era of $1,000+ Consoles
@Northern_munkey
It’s not the PS5, the main selling machine so they produce more and get better component deals.
The PS5 Pro is more niche and sells less so component deals won’t be as good.
Though some components are the same.
SIMPLES
Re: Opinion: The PS6 Cannot Come Out in This Era of $1,000+ Consoles
I think the hard line Sony has is project Helix that seems to be heading for 2027 release with developer consoles going out to developers in January 2027.
Now we can all go XBOX with the silly console hybrid thing, but I don’t think Sony will see it like that.
Especially if XBOX do some PR and sell it as a console that can play all native series x games and PC games, then for fun XBOX could heavily take a big cost hit to sell the thing.
Re: Opinion: The PS6 Cannot Come Out in This Era of $1,000+ Consoles
Well the PS5 Pro is £780 but not the main production machine.
Of course the PS6 has to be more powerful
and have exclusives.
And there is the issue EXCLUSIVES, do we really think for probably at least for the first 2 years say Horizon 3 cost millions to develop it won’t be cross generation and on PS5 and PS5 Pro.
So the PS6 will have to show a very big difference over the PS5 and Pro version, even if they get the PS6 cost at say £750.
Next generation will at the moment be a very hard sell and mainly due to PRICE and CROSS GENERATION games.
Re: Valve's New Steam Machine Costs Almost Twice as Much as a PS5
@DennisReynolds
The Pro just became the bargain of 2026.
Just Shhhhhh don’t tell Sony 🤣
Re: Valve's New Steam Machine Costs Almost Twice as Much as a PS5
If it can only just keep up with a PS5 and Series x what’s the point.
Even the Pro is cheaper and higher spec and performance.
Has the world gone mad.
Re: Valve's New Steam Machine Costs Almost Twice as Much as a PS5
I will keep my Pro thank you.
Re: The Last of Us 2 Is Finally Getting Multiplayer, But Naughty Dog Ain't Making It
It always amazes me how a few little independents having fun create stuff like this. You see it a lot with Nintendo stuff.
But massive organised studios with 100s of personnel at their disposal can’t and the top equipment and all the original source coding, data and assets can’t or don’t want to.
Too many coffee and biscuit meetings to discuss it for about 6 months before they even make a start.
Hang on, let’s not forget Teams or Zoom for those working at home. 🤣🤣🤣
Re: The Witcher 4 Can't Be Another Cyberpunk 2077, and CD Projekt Red Knows It
Simple for me, wait for the release and reviews.
Nowadays every new release from any studio, no matter how good or bad their last game was, should be approached with caution.
Re: Sony May Mitigate Hardware Pricing Nightmare by Simply Selling Fewer PS5s
@twitchtvpat
Absolutely PSSR especially 2.0 is amazing and totally a good use of AI.
Re: Sony May Mitigate Hardware Pricing Nightmare by Simply Selling Fewer PS5s
I wouldn’t mind AI so much of it was just used to improve human and planet and life etc.
Have you seen what it is being used for absolutely rubbish and wasteful most of it.
So basically you could half all AI servers etc if it was just used for good and had usage control.
Re: PS5 Maker Admits First-Party Single Player Games Are Its 'Core Strength'
Sony single player mmmmm Live Service scene and PR.
In a different way is to XBOX
Exclusives mmmmm maybe exclusives scene and PR
Re: Sony May Mitigate Hardware Pricing Nightmare by Simply Selling Fewer PS5s
Meant PS5 disc at £570
Re: Sony May Mitigate Hardware Pricing Nightmare by Simply Selling Fewer PS5s
It depends on your market strategy.
Sell at higher price but sell less but make more profit per unit.
Sell at lower price but sell more but make less profit.
Both have advantages and disadvantages.
As all common sense has left the game industry this generation, they all sell at a high price but sell less.
However this will mean selling less games and less PSN etc etc.
There is absolutely no need for a UK PS5 digital to be £570 or a Pro at £790.
Pure profiteering just like petrol and other goods currently in the UK.
Results since price hike, Xbox series £480 only 400 units behind PS5 recent sales in the UK.
I’m glad folks are voting with theirs wallets, might wake Sony up a bit.
Now don’t get me wrong I have a Pro, a Sony 65” TV and Sony Soundbar system, spent an about £4.5 thousand with Sony.
But Sony are an arse of business to me most of the time.
Re: Rumour: GTA 6 Price Potentially Leaked by European Retailer
Yep MKW set the example
I said £74.99 so let’s see.
However retails may drop to £69.99 or even 64.99 to get first sales.
Keep an eye on Curry’s UK they normally do great pre-order deals.
Re: Hermen Hulst Allegedly Said Sony's PC Ports Didn't Make Enough Money
The biggest exclusive pull out for me was gears e day by XBOX.
That had at least 300 million in revenue from PS sales, and the game must of been finished or almost on PS5 and Pro with enhancements.
Yet they are realising FH6, Halo and Fable on PS5.
Seems a silly idea that far down the road and sends so many mixed signals to box Xbox and PlayStation fans.
Re: Hermen Hulst Allegedly Said Sony's PC Ports Didn't Make Enough Money
Of course you have to get your return on investment and I guess a certain percentage for the effort put it, so maybe something like 5% return would not be enough.
Also I do think there might some concerns about project Helix maybe having the ability to run those PS games.
I like exclusives on all platforms especially single player, as usually it enables the developers to really focus and get the best out of the console and also especially Sony and Nintendo use in house developed game engines which helps with that.
Re: Uproar as Halo PS5 Demands 2 PS Plus Subscriptions for Local Co-Op
What ever happened to the good ole gaming days.
Just plug it in and play.
Re: Uproar as Halo PS5 Demands 2 PS Plus Subscriptions for Local Co-Op
This is simple, just don’t buy XBOX games and let them keep them all as exclusives.
Everyone’s a winner then.
Having said that 5 million plus FH5 on PS5 isn’t going to help.
Re: Uproar as Halo PS5 Demands 2 PS Plus Subscriptions for Local Co-Op
Let’s get this right if I want to buy and play say FH5 or Halo single player I have to have a Microsoft account to play them on PS5 Pro?
Re: Poll: How Much Will GTA 6 Cost?
Wouldn’t surprise if it matched MKW at £74.99 in the UK.
XBOX should money it and put it on game pass ultimate 😆
Re: 'There's No Ambiguity in Sony's Strategy': Trusted Journalist on PS5's Exclusivity Approach After Wishy-Washy CEO Statement
@ArcticSin
But then again I’ve had ago about XBOX, but I’m here with a series x as well and GPU until into 2027 and I can’t fault it at the moment.
I’m playing FH6
Next up Halo remake, then Gears e day and then Fable.
And just downloading COD vanguard which is now free, never played it.
Then that’s not including all little game like Minecraft dungeons 2 etc.
and the dam it all looks so good on my Sony Bravia 9 65” TV.
Re: 'There's No Ambiguity in Sony's Strategy': Trusted Journalist on PS5's Exclusivity Approach After Wishy-Washy CEO Statement
@ArcticSin
Well I think some game risks are taken by Sony, I mean
Saros was a low selling risk
Wolverine instead of Spider-Man 3
God of war using Laufey
Ok not total diversity but some risk.
Re: 'There's No Ambiguity in Sony's Strategy': Trusted Journalist on PS5's Exclusivity Approach After Wishy-Washy CEO Statement
@ArcticSin
It’s a straight forward and sensible strategy and obviously very risk adverse, then Nintendo are the same when it comes to sharing anything.
But let’s be sensible, if series consoles where sitting at 90 plus thousand or at Nintendos level they would be doing exactly the same, apart from games on PC I think.
Re: 'There's No Ambiguity in Sony's Strategy': Trusted Journalist on PS5's Exclusivity Approach After Wishy-Washy CEO Statement
@ArcticSin
Part of me thinks like the Lego HFW releasing on switch and games on PC, partly was to try and entice some to maybe buy a PS5 or Pro for the next big release in that series. A sort of FOMO strategy.
Re: 'There's No Ambiguity in Sony's Strategy': Trusted Journalist on PS5's Exclusivity Approach After Wishy-Washy CEO Statement
@Titntin
Yep I noticed most had missed about Helix being PC really.
Oh well, I think it is the best strategy for Sony like Nintendo do.
As where Microsoft’s with XBOX games is still not here or there and leaves some gamers hanging, so no difference there then.
Re: Sony Finally Speaks on PC Cancellations, Wants to Enhance Value of PS5
@Swirly
You have to have a bit of sod em, but you know why.
You have to fight fire with fire.
And not bring a little knife to a gun fight,
Which is what Xbox are doing.
You got to have strong spirit, put on your best fighting gear and turn up
Re: Sony Finally Speaks on PC Cancellations, Wants to Enhance Value of PS5
Let have fun and go off topic.
Metacritic journalist reviews.
Gears e day 91
Wolverine 88
Your turn
Re: Sony Finally Speaks on PC Cancellations, Wants to Enhance Value of PS5
I don’t think it would hurt PS5 sales if games went to PC.
But it is all about revenue and return on investment when porting to PC and how many copies you sell.
And if it is worth the perceived loss to your console sale base.
I think there is the little factor of project Helix that may of helped swing it a little but as well.
I mean look at Nintendo they don’t put a single game on anything bar a Nintendo console and I think they are doing great.
Re: GTA 6 PS5 Pre-Orders Open on 25th June, Cover Art Revealed
Will buy digital when I do.
Will wait for reviews and inspection of any bad bugs etc.
And definitely waiting to see the Pro enhancements.
Re: 'Some Analysts Believe Sony Is Considering Pushing the PS6 Back': Embracer Report Hints at Later Than 2027 Launch
If next generation can’t match and go a fair bit above the PS5 Pro when programmed to its best ability, at a good price, then there is absolutely no point to next generation.
Re: GTA 6 PS5 Pre-Orders Open on 25th June, Cover Art Revealed
Let’s see the PS5 Pro specs first.
Re: GTA 6 PS5 Pre-Orders Open on 25th June, Cover Art Revealed
No rush it will still be there digitally when I want it 🤣
Re: 'There Are Other Xbox Studios in Trouble': Ominous Reports as Microsoft 'Bloodbath' Looms
It’s happening to all in some places in the UK
BBC announces 550 job cuts as first part of £500m savings plan
Re: 'There Are Other Xbox Studios in Trouble': Ominous Reports as Microsoft 'Bloodbath' Looms
Let all stay calm on Push Square and wait a few months.
Bungie will be next with 850 employees in some shape or form.
Re: Sony Reiterates God of War Laufey Is 'Coming Soon' to PS5
@LowDefAl
Was a joke 🤣
Decided to take the light hearted approach, as the poor gaming industry is going through a lot at the moment.
Re: Sony Reiterates God of War Laufey Is 'Coming Soon' to PS5
It’s the GTA6 stand in game, incase it gets delayed again.
Re: Halo: Campaign Evolved Goes All-In on PS5 Pro Support as Xbox Bets Big on Rival Console
@Oram77
No no no FH5 on pro was well enhanced
And the best on consoles by far.
Re: Halo: Campaign Evolved Goes All-In on PS5 Pro Support as Xbox Bets Big on Rival Console
Well they did a great job of Pro with FH5 as well and they probably will with Fable and maybe one day Gears E Day hopefully.
Re: Rumour: Gaming Industry 'Bloodbath' Imminent, as Sony, Microsoft, and More Brace for Mass Layoffs
Yep today we all have ago at Xbox.
Next month it will be Sonys turn.
They will be both at it, the only one seeming on sound ground is Nintendo at the moment.
Re: Several Xbox Studios at Risk of Closure, in Talks to Become Independent
@Balosi
I think they want to rely on studios that bring the big games and hopefully the money with them, profit in other words.
I don’t think moving forward XBOX are going to be into smaller games for game pass or just in general.
I don’t think they mind a big investment in say a gears e day or fable or FH6 as they know they can probably make on it, even if now or in the near future they can release on PS5 or Switch 2 and make good money back as well.
I think the wake up call was FH5 selling 5 million on PS5 and some smaller other games they released on PS5 doing terrible, which they already did terrible on XBOX and PC.
Re: Three Xbox Studios at Risk of Closure, in Talks to Become Independent
As per update.
Those three developers are Compulsion Games (We Happy Few, South of Midnight), Double Fine (Psychonauts), and Ninja Theory (Hellblade).
All three smaller studios that have not had a big hit and got the return on investment back on development probably.
Does not mean I agree or it’s right to do.