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Octane

Don't see the issue with using a cross, and I'm probably the least religious person you can find. I'm not offended

@nessisonett Still doubt most of those bodies in the Vatican/Rome are even real. I've seen them up close, and they look like terrible mannequin dolls from a century ago.

Octane

zupertramp

@Octane idk, imagine having a deeply held belief in Judaism and your loved one dies and they are represented with a cross. I'm not at all religious either but I also understand some people are, and therein lies the rub. Here's just one of the many articles that come up when you do a search on Jews and the Christian cross.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/25/jews-cr...

I'm not exactly going to storm the courthouse but, having mulled it over much, I maintain it could easily not be a cross.

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Rondoooo9

@nessisonett seems more pointless to get a vaccine when you havent been sick in years and to force that upon people.

Whats up with Johnson and Johnson? Pulled the vaccine back after 6, SIX, not 6,000 or 600, S-I-X people reported having blood clots. Something else is going on. Was it rushed too quickly? Sure doesn't give one much trust to go put a mystery formula in their body. When people were already skeptical, they just made it much worse. What an effin mess. "GD wear a mask a tho". We will break every suggestion the cdc makes unless its the blessed masks lol. Soda? Nope lardass is still chugging. Smoking? Nope iron lung is still huffing. Masks, we will police each other over though. LOL!

Good luck putting the toothpaste back in the tube.

Rondoooo9

nessisonett

@Rondoooo9 The vaccine isn’t just to protect you though. Even if you personally don’t have much trouble with the virus, you could walk past a person with asthma on the street while you flaunt your maskless ‘freedom’ and essentially be responsible for them being in intensive care.

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zupertramp

@Rondoooo9 As far as I know, J&J hasn't pulled their vaccine. (Some) States are probably doing it because although thousands of people safely get it people focus on the few with complications. At least that's the situation stateside. I admit to knowing nothing about what vaccines are available elsewhere.

Also this can't possibly be the first vaccine forced on you so not sure why this one is so much of an exception. In fact some of the compulsory vaccines you got when you were younger probably have helped you lead a life free of sickness.

Edit: I do admit to having some skepticism about this vaccine tbf. I just think the overall benefits outweigh the possible harms that probably only exist in my mind.

Edit 2: my bad, guess there's a recommended pause on the J&J vaccine from FDA and CDC.

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kyleforrester87

@nessisonett hasn't the person with asthma been vaccinated though?

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Rondoooo9

@nessisonett extremely far fetched considering you're outside.

Edit: I live in a rural area. I have to drive miles to go walk down a street. Doesn't happen.

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Rondoooo9

@zupertramp because this one wasnt tested like other vaccines and was rushed out. Sure I had to get the normal vacc shots to attend college.

The point is this J&J issue is damaging their hopes of vaccinating everyone. Something is going on we're not told and this latest development will make more skeptical.

Rondoooo9

Th3solution

I’m not opposed to FDA/CDC being as cautious as possible and these things being studied and watched closely for safety, but I can’t help but think that we’d probably be appalled at the safety data when they gave everyone smallpox vaccines and polio vaccines first came out. Again, not saying we don’t need to be cautious and use modern science to the fullest, but now that we can gather mountains of data we are surely seeing issues that would have never been seen before. It’s probably a good thing, but you have to weigh the risk and benefit. How many people would have died from COVID (which also can cause blood clots I understand, even weeks after recovery) without the vaccine. People are dying everyday from COVID, actually. So at some point, we just need to accept that the vaccines may not be perfect and one in a million people who receive a vaccine may have a bad side effect. Sucks if you’re the one person, of course.
Anyway, not sure how I feel about it all, but I think it’s easy to be “Arm-chair quarterback” or “Monday morning quarterback” (the Americans out there will understand the reference) and judge from a distance. I always find it ironic how people who are anti-vaccine still benefit from those who actually take the chance and get the vaccine. Kinda like we all are the beneficiaries of all the folks who took the smallpox vaccine and polio vaccine back in the day.

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Octane

@kyleforrester87 Keep in mind that there are also people who cannot get vaccinated due to medical reasons. They will be locked up inside until we all are vaccinated.

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Octane

@Th3solution I don't get it either. People don't want to take the 1-in-a-million risk (assuming the cause of death are even caused by the vaccines), yet they don't seem to mind taking the 1-in-a-100 or 1000 risk that is associated with COVID, with the additional risk of spreading it to people who are much more vulnerable than you are.

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kyleforrester87

@Octane if they are locked up then there isn’t much risk of them being breathed on. Anyway, as and when everyone has been offered a vaccine, I hope personal accountability comes to the forefront.

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zupertramp

@Th3solution obviously wasn't alive for rollout of most vaccines but yeah, I can't imagine the adverse side effects that must have occurred. I would like to think we're better at it now than ever before.

That said, I really do understand your skepticism @Rondoooo9. Pharmaceutical companies are some of the least trustworthy in my opinion but as others have pointed out to me in the past, they're really under a microscope at the moment and the incentive (even just profit-wise) isn't really there to harm even a small percentage of the population.

So I suspect the JJ pause is out of an abundance of caution. I was under the impression a similar thing happened with the Astra-Zeneca vaccine in several European countries for the same reason, blood clots. Not sure what the status on that is now but it's my understanding the number of complications was/is much higher.

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zupertramp

Even still, this vaccine isn't exactly compulsory in the states so I think if someone feels that strongly about it and that uncomfortable taking it, perhaps they shouldn't. Even with some of the most enforced vaccines there's usually some way to get an exemption.

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Rondoooo9

Very true statements in all replies. At this point in the game the majority are either vaccinated or have already contacted it. Specifically in US. We're closer to the light at the tunnels end. Keep in mind your employer cannot force it upon you or even ask if you're vaccinated. Thats a lawsuit waiting to happen.

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squirrelguy22

I'm personally going to vaccinate tomorrow. Upvote if will not be back with an response ))

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themcnoisy

I am a pro vaccer. It works and the science is sound.

However I had the Astra Zeneca and felt like shi" for a week after the vaccine. No light symptoms here, banging headaches, no energy, temperature etc. Even now I'm not 100% and this was months ago. I have my second jab in May and am having second thoughts.

Corona whipped through my work, everyone was taken down bar me and a relatively new colleague in January. We had both had it last year. So I dunno man, it's a harder question to answer if you have autoimmune issues as the vaccines can really screw you up. I would say for under 30s not to have the vaccine as I don't think it's worth the risk especially when getting it for the majority of people in that age bracket won't be effected badly if at all.

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Octane

@themcnoisy Even if you don't get the symptoms, you can still spread it. The more people can get it, the faster it can spread. Even if all the vulnerable people are vaccinated, it's just waiting for it to mutate into something that does bypass the vaccine to a degree that sends us back into lockdown.

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