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BAMozzy

February's 2020 Games with Gold lineup for Xbox One includes: TT Isle of Man and Call of Cthulhu.

For Xbox 360 owners (and through Xbox One backward compatibility), February kicks off with Fable Heroes, followed by Star Wars Battlefront.

Overall - Meh!

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FullbringIchigo

@BAMozzy i thought NT was working on the Hellblade sequel? or is that done already?

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BAMozzy

@FullbringIchigo They are - but they also have other projects too - such as Bleeding Edge (a multiplayer Online combat game due to launch in March 2020) and Project Mara - a new in-development experimental title that explores new ways of storytelling.

"Project: Mara will be a real-world and grounded representation of mental terror. Based on real lived experience accounts and in-depth research, our aim is to recreate the horrors of the mind as accurately and realistically as possible. Project: Mara will be an experimental title and a showcase of what could become a new storytelling medium."

Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice itself was made by a 'skeleton crew' of about 20 people whilst the rest of Ninja Theory were 'developers for hire' - working on contracted jobs for others. The majority of Ninja Theory had to do this to have the funds to make their own game - Hellblade and one of the reasons it wasn't launched on multiple platform. It wasn't because Sony paid for exclusivity but because they didn't have the manpower to make it on all platforms at the start.

Point is, they were a large studio of over 100 people but only 20 were able to make Hellblade whilst the rest were involved in outside projects. No doubt they will be shifting people around as necessary to finish Hellblade 2 but also working on other projects. They also set up the Insight Project - a Research and Development project dealing with Mental Health. With The Insight Project, Ninja Theory plans to build smaller games to "help people identify and control negative emotions" and maybe Project Mara was born out of this too. The Insight Project also builds upon and continues the co-operation between Ninja Theory and Paul Fletcher, a University of Cambridge psychiatrist and professor of health neuroscience who had consulted the studio on Hellblade.

It looks like Ninja Theory will be continuing to explore Mental Health and build games to help understand what people suffering from Mental Health issues feel. It also seems that they will be making other games - like Bleeding Edge too.

I got the impression that Obsidian and Ninja Theory were tasked with making something relatively 'quickly' to boost the output of Exclusives before the next gen - hence Bleeding Edge and Grounded. Neither seem particularly 'deep' but could be fun for those that enjoy that type of thing...

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KratosMD

So I just started using Xbox Game Pass for the first time after seeing 1 month of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate being offered for only €1. This subscription really appeals to me so far, it's nice being able to have a catalogue of hundreds of games and choosing which ones to play and then simply downloading them. I'm guessing PlayStation Now is similar, however my download speed on my Xbox One is somehow faster than on my PS4. Needless to say, I mostly use my PS4 now for my physical games, while I'm fine with downloading games on my Xbox One and that's where the appeal is.

But the overall appeal of this concept is being able to play and finish indie games that I otherwise wouldn't want to spend money on buying because 1) they're not really worth keeping once I'm finished with them, and 2) most indie games are short experiences, so I feel like it's not worth buying them even when they're on sale.

For example, I'm currently playing Untitled Goose Game and apparently I'm halfway through the game already and I've only played one hour. Isn't the game like €20 usually or something? That's just ridiculous, I would never pay that much for this game, not even 1/4 of that price. It IS enjoyable and there are plenty of easy achievements to get, which is nice. But this is exactly the kind of game I would love to play through Xbox Game Pass; a short indie experience. I would rather buy the AAA games instead because they are 1) more worth it and 2) they're longer games, meaning I could spend probably a half month's worth of Xbox Game Pass just to play one game. I should instead save them for a later date, for example when I'm not subscribed to this service.

Simply put, I'm actually interested in using this service in the future because it lets me use my Xbox One more, I get to collect more achievements (which I prefer wholeheartedly over PlayStation trophies) and most importantly, I get to play lots of indie games that I just want to experience once without having to pay for them. Right now I have the following games queued up on my to-play list: Afterparty, Braid (completely missed out on that game last gen), My Friend Pedro, Outer Wilds, What Remains of Edith Finch and I might even add Life is Strange 2 on there since that's also another game I don't feel like paying for.

I'm really excited to start using this service more in the future!

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nessisonett

@KratosMD It’s great on PC, I agree about the short indie games being the best games on the service. Ape Out was the stand out game for me, a short but extremely fun indie game that I wouldn’t have bought outright but had a tremendous amount of fun with.

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Rudy_Manchego

@KratosMD That is interesting and I do think indie games can benefit from subscription models because people are more likely to take a risk on it. I have Apple Arcade and have found some great gems on that I tried because I could. It also means they get some promotion by the platform holders and that makes a big difference.

I do still buy a lot of indie games new - I bought Untitled Goose Game for something like £15 at launch and don't regret it. I did the same with My Friend Pedro. For me personally, I don't mind supporting games I really want to play at launch even if the length is only a few hours. My favourite game of last year was Katana Zero and I bought that for £15 and it was about 4-5 hours and loved every second. That said, I don't have much time for long games so indie games being shorter works well for me.

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KratosMD

@nessisonett Yeah exactly, and it also lets you try out the games so you don't have to worry about wasting money on something that you may end up not liking. It's also a great way to try out indie games you don't know much about and find a hidden gem or two. It has a lot of value for me in that regard.

@Rudy_Manchego I can see that. Personally, I buy a lot of AAA games so I don't really feel compelled to try out indie games, much less pay full price for them. A subscription service could be a good way to change that, and I don't even have to stay subscribed throughout the entire year. I can wait a couple of months and see which titles are being removed and which are being added and when there are enough new indie games, I can subscribe for a month and play through all of those. I remember we talked about if Gris and Sayonara Wild Hearts were worth buying a couple of months ago and I ended up not buying them because I either didn't feel like they were worth the price or they just didn't appeal to me. However, if both were to be added to Xbox Game Pass, among many other indie games, I'd be happy to pay the €14 monthly fee once just to experience all those games.

The thing is that I don't really care about collecting and preserving indie games either as much as I do with AAA games. Not to mention that indie games are even more expensive in physical format. Most of the indie games I buy are digital and after I've finished them, they usually just sit on my hard drive with no further use. I never revisit indie games when I've beaten them, so experiencing them once is enough for me.

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FullbringIchigo

@KratosMD i just brought an external HDD for my XB1 and it came with a months free Game Pass Ultimate so i thought i would take the chance to play a few games i never got round to buying such as Shadow of the Tomb Raider

personally i still don't think the service is for me, i still prefer to own my games physically and i'm still not sold on the idea that i wouldn't be able to play any game pass games if my internet went down (and given i live in a rural area it happens quite often) but i guess i can see why some people would be drawn to it

on a side note does anyone know why games i already owned, including physical game are showing up in my game pass games list? and will anything happen when my free month runs out? i don't want to lose access to games i legitimately own

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Rudy_Manchego

@KratosMD Understand completely - indie gaming is quite important to me personally, but in my mind, indie wouldnt work without AAA or even AA games since they are a nice alternative. I tend to revist indies more than AAA but that might have something to do with length. I do like owning games though and I must say, I miss owning some indie games physically.

The Limited Run games and companies like it are good, I guess, but I can't afford them or pre-order and pay for games 4 months before they get posted out when I can buy them digitally for a fraction of the price. I'd love physical copies of Night In the Woods, MY Friend Pedro etc. but not able to pay £30-40 for them to be delivered.

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JohnnyShoulder

@Rudy_Manchego I agree.

One thing I don't like about these subscription services is when games get rotated in and out of them. I like to play games at my own pace, I could not stand to rush through a game because it is coming off the service.

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KratosMD

@FullbringIchigo Well here's the thing, Xbox Game Pass allows me to experience titles I wouldn't have played otherwise. I just finished Untitled Goose Game and I would never have bought it with my own money. But I'm still glad that I experienced it through this service, and I plan on playing more games that I've not played yet.

@Rudy_Manchego I do happen to own some indie games physically, like Shovel Knight and SteamWorld Dig 2. I think those are worth owning physically, as with a game such as Hollow Knight.

It's funny though, as yesterday I bought an indie game digitally on Switch called "Flipping Death". Apparently it also has a physical release on Switch, but the game was on sale on the eShop for only €5 while the physical version was €25, i.e. five times as much! In that situation I'd rather just buy a game digitally since the €20 extra is a huge difference. I could buy other games for that amount, especially if the game in question is not that appealing to me.

I think it's important to be flexible if you want to experience all kinds of games without wanting to spend too much money. On one hand I want to own most of my games physically, but on the other hand I also want to experience as many games as possible. I think buying AAA games physically, some indie games physically and digitally, and play most indie games through a service like Xbox Game Pass is a good way to go about it, at least for me.

@JohnnyShoulder I agree to a certain extent. A game like Untitled Goose Game only takes 2 hours to complete, so it shouldn't take an entire month to finish a game like that. But as I mentioned before, I don't want to spend my time with Xbox Game Pass by playing a AAA game that's 20-30 hours long, i.e. will take up weeks of my subscription time. That's why I think shorter experiences is the most beneficial way to use this kind of service.

I also don't know how frequently games get rotated in and out for Xbox Game Pass. If it is every month then it could get annoying if you don't plan ahead. For example, I wouldn't start a game that's 10 hours long the day before it gets rotated out. Even if it disappears, I'll still have plenty of other games to play and who knows, maybe the game will get rotated in in the future. There are hundreds of games to play so I wouldn't be too bothered by that.

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LocalPenguin

With Series X on the way, I was wondering...do you think we'll see the return of sister site Pure Xbox??

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FullbringIchigo

@LocalPenguin probably not, it was shut down due to lack of traffic to begin with sadly but that's why this thread was set up (and there is a similar one on Nintendo Life)

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KratosMD

@LocalPenguin @FullbringIchigo I think there's potential though for a revival depending on how popular the console will be. Xbox One failed miserably, so it's not surprising that it affected other Xbox-related things such as Pure Xbox. But if Series X turns out to be as great as Xbox 360, which it certainly has potential for based on all the acquisitions Microsoft has made lately on top of their refocusing on video games first and foremost, then the console's popularity will increase demand for an Xbox website.

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LocalPenguin

@KratosMD @FullbringIchigo Well that's what I thought, if Microsoft can really turn things around then the need for a dedicated website would surely be there?
Right now there isn't anything with a focus purely on Xbox, certainly nothing to the same caliber as PS and NL.
Personally I'd love to see a return of Pure Xbox

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Rudy_Manchego

@JohnnyShoulder That is true - MS gamepass does show you what is leaving soon but it takes me ages to get to games so I might miss them...

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Jaz007

At this point, I think Games with Gold is better than Plus free games. It's easier to have a hit with 4 games and Plus should be matching or upping that anty. It really is a shame. The Plus games have been pretty mediocre lately too, less games aside. If we had 6 I guarantee you we'd be finding something we want a lot more. Well, I guess Xbox needs to do something better.

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KratosMD

Gotta say that Xbox Game Pass has been absolutely great so far. It's encouraged me to play more on my Xbox One and it's also introduced me to games that I didn't know anything about. Been playing My Friend Pedro lately and it's definitely the coolest indie game I've experienced possibly ever. Even though I suck at it, it's still lots of fun. And while Batman: The Telltale Series isn't on Game Pass per se, I've also had a blast with it on the system. I haven't gotten too far into it, but the time I've spent with it has shown me that it has the potential to be the best Telltale game. The opening chapter was just simply amazing.

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Jaz007

@KratosMD I tried to play the Batman Telltale series once since it was a Plus game. It wouldn't load. I'm serious, apparently there was some save issue with a complicated fix that stopped the game from actually starting (can't remember if I even saw the main menu or not). I wonder if it ever got fixed on PS4. I want to say it was an Xbox issue too so it gives me hope if it worked as it supposed to on your Xbox.

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KratosMD

@Jaz007 Yeah I've noticed that the game does have quite a few technical issues as well. For me it's been mostly audio issues where voice clips wouldn't play sometimes. It really feels like an unfinished game in some aspects, which is disappointing.

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