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FullbringIchigo

@LN78 yep now you have explained it i understand and yes the movie was pretty dull i admit although the show has a much better pace and much better writting

although i did't have much anticipation for the Phantom Menace because i was raised in a no Star Wars house, my parents hated it so we never rented the VHS and when it came on TV we never watched it, the Phantom Menace was my first ever Star Wars film as i was old enough to have my own money when that came out and i really enjoyed it, yeah it had issues but afterwards when watching the original trilogy on VHS i saw just as many of the same issues in those too, bad dialogue, wooden acting and dumb moments in fact Return of the Jedi is full of them, i mean Ewoks still make NO sense, how can throwing a small rock at a fully armoured trooper kill him? and Luke "i can bring him back to the good side" line is a lot worse and a lot more cheesy that the "I hate sand" one

i have said may times before Lucas knows how to create a world but he needs someone else to bring it to life but that doesn't stop me enjoying all the films, they are all imperfect messes that somehow still work

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LN78

@FullbringIchigo Yeah. I think the "I hate sand" line is one of the worst lines in cinematic history so go figure. Opinions and whatever. You're too smart for me.

LN78

FullbringIchigo

@LN78 watch a film like Samurai Cop and you will be saying that line is like Shakespeare, Episode 2 might be the weakest of the series but trust me, there is a LOT of films out there that makes even the Star Wars Holiday Special look like a masterpiece

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LN78

@FullbringIchigo Again. You're obviously far too clever for me so best to leave it there.

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FullbringIchigo

@LN78 seriously though Samurai Cop is one of those movies someone HAS to experience at least once, it is SO bad that you will love watching it because it's so funny with how bad it is

same with R.O.T.O.R and anything made by Ed Wood like Plan 9 from Outer Space

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FullbringIchigo

anyway back to Star Trek news, i think we derailed this thread enough

it seems that the Character being played by Michelle Hurd in Star Trek Picard, Raffi Musiker was actually acting as his First officer during the mission that caused Picard to leave Starfleet
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i guess we finally know how they know each other although i wonder want went down during this mission that was so bad that Picard leaves Starfleet and that, by the next time they meet she is pointing a phaser at him

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FullbringIchigo

@LN78 also i want to say i hope you don't think i was getting on at you, i was just trying to understand your reasoning, it's probably one of my biggest flaws but i kind of need to understand how things work and why people think they way they do about certain things but i admit i can be a bit tactless about it

sorry

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FullbringIchigo

so some Trek news Section 31 has a writers room so i guess it's still a thing and Picard is apparently going to be a "Modern Adult Drama" whatever the hell that means

https://trekmovie.com/2019/11/29/kurtzman-section-31-show-has...

so a couple of quotes

We are very excited about the Section 31 show and Michelle Yeoh is excited to do it. She is in the current season of Discovery so she’s working on that right now but we have scripts getting written, and Alex has a writer’s room. We love what we’ve heard so far. It’s yet another tonality of Trek. As Alex has mapped it all out, each show has its own unique sort of voice and vision.

so it sounds like it's still in the early phases right now

as for Picard

The show is inspired by Next Gen, and it’s written by people who grew up loving it but it is very much not Next Gen. It feels like a modern adult drama in the world of Star Trek, which has not actually really happened before. It’s also singularly about a man in his emeritus years and there are very few franchises that would allow you to have an almost 80 year old lead and tell his story.

i'm not sure what to make of this, of course being so focused on one character it wasn't going to be like a traditional Trek show but this literally tells us nothing at all, i really wish these PR people would look at the real world, stop smoking whatever magical mushrooms they have and see this kind of fluff does nothing but confuse people

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RogerRoger

@FullbringIchigo The intricacies of modern marketing aside, I do quite like the sound of Picard, not least for being a show about an elderly gentleman and his not-quite-so-elderly-but-still-not-exactly-MTV-material friends. When the twenty-something Kirk was given command of the brand-new Enterprise in 2009, suspending my disbelief to enjoy the rest of the film was a big ask.

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RogerRoger

Last night I finally started the second season of Star Trek: Discovery. Am three episodes in.

Early impressions are much, much improved over Season One. I won't go into too much detail, but I think now that I've gotten over my initial knee-jerk reaction of "this feels wrong" I can settle into a more disposable, glossy take on the franchise. I also now understand why everybody is begging for a Christopher Pike series, based solely on his first couple hours in command. Michelle Yeoh is awesome as always, so now there are two characters I actually like.

But yeah, every time somebody mentions Spock, my eyes glaze over. I hate how everything must revolve around him, one of the most overrated and overused characters in the franchise (not to diminish Leonard Nimoy's forever beautiful work, mind). I quite like Michael Burnham when she's part of somebody else's plot, but this whole "Search for Spock" thing is annoying me no end.

Thankfully, there's plenty more going on to keep me entertained. I'm mostly on board, and will likely enjoy the rest of the season as this week continues.

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After deciding not to push a fourth episode last night, I randomly flicked around Netflix for clips of the other Star Trek shows available (okay, fine... my OCD likes having all the Trek shows lined up in my "Continue Watching" list, paused on episodes with good thumbnails of my favourite characters). I selected an early episode of Star Trek: Enterprise and noticed the resolution was much, much improved from the Blu-Ray. Whilst the effects shots are still a little blurry, I think the rest of it 4K, or at least upscaled to as near as possible. It looks incredible, so might add a re-watch of its early seasons to my schedule.

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FullbringIchigo

@RogerRoger thankfully that kind of presence Pike has carries through the entire season, he really was a breath of fresh air in that show, he was well written and Anson Mount was great in the roll a perfect choice

if ViacomCBS turned around and said that they was doing a Pike series or film i would be first in line on it's release day

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RogerRoger

@FullbringIchigo Me too. He's definitely a highlight.

Despite seeing early signs of the "unearned emotion" criticism I'd heard about, I'm still with it three more episodes down the line. Some of the Saru stuff was... well, not weak exactly, but not exactly original either. He's kinda fitting into the same box in which I keep my opinions of the Klingons and Vulcans; they're cool and iconic but dear goodness, their dedicated episodes are dull.

But it's also nice to see a modern spin on a couple of familiar tropes, like the "anomaly of the week turns out to be alive" episode. I just hope they hurry up and find Spock; not because I want to see him, but because the amount of delays and excuses for not seeing him are becoming laughable.

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RogerRoger

@FullbringIchigo Might be worth a look-see, but then it also might simply be a bunch of Big Bang Theory episodes starring Wil Wheaton.

Meanwhile, I'm super-excited because tomorrow evening, Lalaland Records are (FINALLY!!) releasing their second four-disc soundtrack to Star Trek: Voyager, this time including the entire score to "Endgame" as well as a bunch of other important episodes missing from the previous album. They've been promising it for years. Can't wait to properly hear all this incredible music!

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KALofKRYPTON

@RogerRoger I hope your time with STD is, well OK! As you've already noted, Pike is the absolute highlight. Spoke and the red angel story is dross. Really incredibly lazy/boring and trope-laden. It is incredibly messy, and gets worse as it plays out. The overarching Spoke/Burnham story line is tiresome (as the whole Spock/Burnham concept) and feels like watching 'Deal Or No Deal'; y'know, the game show that could be over and done in about 3 minutes if they just cut out the waffle.

Good news on the Lalaland Records release. You've recommended them to me before but I'm yet to take the plunge!

EDIT: Oh! And the finale! I can't wait for you to get to the season finale!!
@FullbringIchigo I expect E4 will put a bunch of films on or something.

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RogerRoger

@KALofKRYPTON Yeah, I didn't get around to watching any yesterday. I had the chance to squeeze in an episode late last night, but couldn't really bring myself to do so because the whole "Let's get Spock, oh wait, we've been delayed, okay, let's get him now, wait, that's not him, let's go over here instead, what do you mean he left three days ago?" is making me wanna binge it in chunks; at least that way, there's more of a chance of finding some actual plot in amongst the (admittedly pretty and well-acted) filler.

So excited to place my Lalaland Records order later. There's a bunch of soundtracks on their website I've been holding out on, because I thought "as soon as I order them, they'll release the second Voyager album and I'll have to pay for shipping twice" so hurrah for patience, I guess!

Will obviously return with Discovery thoughts the further I get (or when I'm done).

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KALofKRYPTON

@RogerRoger
I actually can't wait for you to get to the finale. Please post your reaction to it as quickly as possible!

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