Forums

Topic: PlayStation 5 --OT--

Posts 321 to 340 of 501

WebHead

I think regardless of the price or full spec setup it is clear the CPU is going to be the star of the show for PS5 and Scarlett.

WebHead

PSN: JTPrime93

JJ2

So what do you guys think of the Xbox games being available on Switch?
We all know Ms isn't bothered about hardware sales anymore. Their focus is on trying to dominate and keep people hooked on XBL and services.
What does that imply for PS5 I wonder?
We saw JKodera promoted JRyan so he could focus on PSN and what that implies. I think native gaming on hardware regardless of internet speed is still Sony focus and to sell their platform, but yea, its PSN that makes money.

Yea its a dummy 'leak' that Ms is going to talk about Scarlet at E3. We ve all known that for a good while. Ms would get away with doing like they did for the X but not PlayStation.

JJ2

Ryall

@JJ2 If we are talking about connecting PlayStation Now to switch as it is. You’ll have the same problem it had on the PlayStation Vita. Different controller that the games weren’t designed to be played with.

I doubt that be willing to pay part of the subscriptions to Nintendo either. The PC is different because they keep all the subscriptions and you can connect a PlayStation controller to it.

Ryall

Ryall

@JJ2 If I had the option to download a port of Ori And The Blind Forest on switch I might well but I don’t think I’ll be interested in streaming microsoft games.

Ryall

BAMozzy

@JJ2 It really depends on the perspective of the individuals. There are still people that think 'Xbox' is 'just' the box of electronics that's under the TV and as such, any other platform is not acceptable if you want to classify any game as an 'exclusive'. For MS, any platform that can plat there titles, as long as you are buying from MS, playing the game on there 'network' etc, its still 'Xbox' - at least now they have renamed all of their gaming divisions as 'Xbox' including all their Studio's which were once Microsoft.

As an Xbox gamer, I couldn't care less if the Xbox exclusives are available on 'Xbox on PC', Xbox on Switch or Xbox on mobile too, I couldn't care less if others get to enjoy the same games I am enjoying - what difference does it make to me if so many others get to play these games too?

I have to buy a Playstation to play Playstation exclusives. If the Playstation is significantly better than an Xbox, it will also mean I play multi-platform games on it too, if the Xbox is better, the Playstation will only be an exclusive box. I don't play on PC, Switch or Mobile, so I will still buy an Xbox too for any Exclusives they may offer. In a perfect world, I would just buy 1 all powerful Console and be able to play 'every' game released rather than having to buy at least 2 for the games that don't run on one system or another. I don't care if only Sony or only MS gamers can play the same games I can play - I just need to know and only really care if I can play them. I have and will never understand why some gamers are more interested in what other consoles don't play or what a 'select' number of games their platform choice enables them to access. It's never mattered to me that certain gamers can or cannot play the same games I am enjoying...

If it is true that Nintendo Switch owners can play some/all Xbox games, so what? It doesn't affect me as I will still be able to play all Xbox games myself. It could work in my favour if I bought a Switch - able to play any/some of my Xbox games on the go...

A pessimist is just an optimist with experience!

Why can't life be like gaming? Why can't I restart from an earlier checkpoint??

Feel free to add me but please send a message so I know where you know me from...

PSN: TaimeDowne

WebHead

It certainly seems like Sony has a walled garden approach like Apple.

WebHead

PSN: JTPrime93

JJ2

@BAMozzy
I'm jot sure why you seem defensive regarding exclusive terms. I was just wondering how that could impact or somehow influence next gen for a playstation gamer (I.e. me haha)
Since you brought up the exclusive thing, I personally and selfishly think its great when games on my platform are developed and optimised for this platform alone. I'm just being pragmatic here. I hope that doesn't prompt a discussion about exclusives and how they are a good thing or not. That's not at all what I meant to discuss though.
I'd just like to try and think if that move from Ms can have any consequence on the PS5 and not having a conversation about rearranging our prejudices so to speak
Look at it this way, if it was actually possible, Ms wouldn't mind allowing their games on PlayStation consoles as long as gamers would have to use XBL, which they already tried with Minecraft if I got it right. Its of course out of the question from Sony s point of view.
In a way, that maybe a good thing for PSN to become even more attractive?

Edited on by JJ2

JJ2

BAMozzy

@JJ2 I am not being defensive over the term 'Exclusive', just the way others will use it to separate themselves from others or use them to either belittle others or make themselves appear more 'superior'. It annoys me more than the benefits of having games built to specifically make the most of the hardware. I have no doubt that a game like Uncharted would run better on an X (maybe actually native 4k instead of just 1440p on a Pro) and worse on the base XB1 but could and would still run regardless of which console was the lead platform and built around. Its not as if the PS4 is using radically different architecture - both are built around AMD CPU and GPU's with the same architectural family. Its basically politics that prevent games from launching on other systems - nothing else. Of course its Sony's money and Sony are publishing them for their own console only but they 'could' (not that they will) publish them for other platforms - like EA, Activision, Ubisoft etc do, rake in more money from more sales but then 'lose' that 'exclusivity' tag to those games.

I would rather see 'every' gamer have access to every game made so that they can ALL enjoy the games that they want to rather than have one group using some games as a way to make themselves seem more superior and/or belittle others. The amount of people I see listing countless exclusives that Sony have as a way to be superior over Xbox gamers and not acknowledging ALL the exclusives that they cannot play on their Console of choice because Microsoft have opted to support ALL Microsoft gamers inc those on Win 10 PC's. Then when you see the actual sales figures of a LOT of the Sony Exclusives, a lot of them seem to be bought by so very few Sony gamers - sales of 2m or less. If they are 'so' important, then why aren't more people buying them? Wouldn't it be better if they released on all available systems to actually sell more? What difference does it make if others can actually play the games you are enjoying?Are they therefore just being made for 'bragging' rights rather than for gamers to actually play and enjoy?

At the moment, with the discussion surrounding cross-platform play and the way Nintendo is open to Microsoft, its looking like there could be a Sony vs the rest of the world, Playstation vs Xbox, PC and Switch. That may not seem too bad at the moment with so many PS4's sold but could impact them next gen. Of course there will be those that will blindly buy Sony for whatever reason they want but when MS releases the next Xbox, it already has a massive user base that its joined to so any 'launch' games are not just for the 'few' that buy at launch but to a massive user base.

It would make much more sense for games like CoD or Battlefield fans to be united and play together. They are all fans of the game and would have a much better experience if they were ALL able to play together on their preferred platform - not be separated up because of Platform choice. Who actually benefits from being split up because of platform choice? It isn't MS, Sony or the gamers who spent money on these games. All it does is add more bragging rights to one of these, the one that sells more or has the 'best' numerical performance metrics but if they all played together, they would all have a much better experience, more chance to find more local gamers for better ping and a shared interest in playing the same game(s).

Exclusives are almost 'blackmail' - forcing you to buy a specific system to play those games. If they released on ALL platforms, then you don't have any reason to buy a Playstation or buy an Xbox - other than buying the one that may play games better, may have a controller that suits you better etc but you also are united as gamers not separated up into Blue vs Green. As I said, I couldn't care less that Millions didn't or can't play Uncharted, Days Gone or Forza Horizon, I just care that I can and I would much prefer that if I buy Destiny, Anthem, Division etc, that I can also play with everyone else that buys these games as we are 'all' fans.

Its mainly that separation that gives fanboys something to brag about when they aren't even buying a lot of the exclusives they are bragging about. I couldn't care less if MS opens up EVERY game to EVERY possible platform so EVERYONE can choose to play it - not be excluded. It makes NO difference to me as long as I get to play ALL the games I want and hopefully, with online games, get to play with others that also enjoy the same games I do.

A pessimist is just an optimist with experience!

Why can't life be like gaming? Why can't I restart from an earlier checkpoint??

Feel free to add me but please send a message so I know where you know me from...

PSN: TaimeDowne

Ryall

I would consider any game produced for a single platform to being exclusive. If it’s later ported to a different platform that would not change the fact that it was an exclusive it would simply make the later game a port.

Exclusives are on average better than games the target many platform simultaneously.

If you want to build a single game that runs across the PS4 and Xbox One you can’t make use of the PS4 pro’s checkerboarding module or the small amount of superfast RAM and the Xbox meaning the game is like perform worse on on each system the if it had been built for it specifically.

This affect it least pronounced in the Xbox X which has the power to achieve good results even when the developers ignore it secret sauce.

Edited on by Ryall

Ryall

Frigate

@BAMozzy "Exclusives are almost 'blackmail'"
I like your informative posts and I believe you'd be an awesome addition to the Push □ team but, blackmail? That was just a weird choice of words. It's severe persuasion at worst.

Edited on by Frigate

Frigate

BAMozzy

@Frigate Well Blackmail is somewhat harsh terminology in this instance. Its not a criminal offence to ensure that people buy your console in order to play a game or more so it is somewhat a harsh word to have used.

Sony are forcing gamers to buy their platform in order to play their games. There is no threat or potential harm to someone who refuses to pay so they aren't exactly blackmailing anyone and you can't exactly call it a 'bribe' either as you still have to pay for both console and game. Its not Extortion either as they aren't getting you buy games with force or threats. No 'harm' will come to you if you refuse to buy their console - just won't have access to their games as a result.

I am well aware of the fact that the language I used wasn't necessarily appropriate and particularly over the top. It does annoy me though that I am forced to buy a plastic box with virtually all the same general parts (I said 'general' here as they all have an APU, RAM etc built for playing games) just because each has a 'few' Exclusives a year I will want to play but the bulk of all games will be available on both. I would much prefer to buy just one box that can play every game with Sony, MS and Nintendo just publishing their studios games like EA, Activision and Ubisoft do rather than be forced to buy several for the 'few' different games that I have to buy a specific box for.

I wouldn't mind if you got a few 'bonus' cosmetic treats for buying a 'Sony' published game on a Sony (or Sony partnered) box or buying Xbox branded games and console(s) but everyone can still play every game. It annoys me the way some people act just because of a 'choice' of box and some can't even enjoy the multi-platform games without it being about whether 'their' console has the best resolution and/or performance. DF comments are usually filled with some gamers ridiculing the Pro, the base XB1 or gamers who bought these instead of enjoying the game and/or getting at the devs to improve the game for all if none actually hit the target frame-rate.

The downside of a unified system would probably be yearly box releases as each tries to keep ahead of the other. We would end up with more competition too - as electronic giants would probably make consoles too that played all the games - like we see in the PC and Mobile world. Its not necessarily the best solution either so maybe if we can get all multi-platform online games and their gamers playing together, it may unify gamers a bit more instead of driving big wedges between people all with a common interest.

A pessimist is just an optimist with experience!

Why can't life be like gaming? Why can't I restart from an earlier checkpoint??

Feel free to add me but please send a message so I know where you know me from...

PSN: TaimeDowne

Rudy_Manchego

To be honest, right now, I think exclusives are doing good things for providing more choice to gamers. It is like Netflix or Amazon - they don’t need to appeal to all gamers, what they are there to do is show breadth of a catalogue and to persuade people with different tastes to invest. Third party companies want to appeal to the biggest denominator to appeal to the most people. Not many AAA publishers would have funded Bloodborne, Cuphead, BOTW etc.

It is a pain that we can’t all cross play and I do think Microsoft are going all out on subs as opposed to hardware but this gen, honestly, most of the best AAA games I have personally enjoyed have been exclusives

Now I may be an idiot, but there's one thing I am not sir, and that sir, is an idiot

https://jambags.co.uk

PSN: Rudy_Manchego | Twitter:

JohnnyShoulder

A unified system is a bad idea imo. It would most likely lead to an increase in prices because there will be no competition. It will be like Apple are now with their products - overpriced for what you are actually getting.

Saying Sony is forcing gamers to buy their console is a bit over dramatic if you ask me. Ninentdo are the same and so are M&S, they have only started to change in recent times because they have too.

Edited on by JohnnyShoulder

We are now in a world of people being offended for other people who they think should be offended, who arent offended.

PSN: JohnnyShoulder

Octane

The thing about console exclusives is that they would never happen if they weren't exclusive in the first place. Console exclusive games aren't always made to sell a ton of copies; as long as they provide good press for the system it's a win. Stuff like Dreams, The Last Guardian, the SOTC remake, Gravity Rush, etc. None of that would've happened if Sony was just another third party publishers like EA, Activision or Ubisoft.

On top of that, first party games are usually one of the best games; even if they aren't, they tend to be very polished experiences. Companies like Sony and Nintendo seem to care more about quality than meeting a deadline.

Octane

WebHead

Man this sony silence is driving me nuts lol

WebHead

PSN: JTPrime93

JohnnyShoulder

@Frigate Yes! You heard it hear first! With the first months sub you get a free dressing gown. For some reason my spell checker always changes MS to M&S. Other predictions available are mash and mass.

We are now in a world of people being offended for other people who they think should be offended, who arent offended.

PSN: JohnnyShoulder

BAMozzy

@JohnnyShoulder I know a unified System may not be such a good idea. You would have so many different 'specs' and have to optimise games yourself specifically to your hardware (like PC players do). Devs could have a hard job if something works on one system but screwing up on another - especially if the OS is radically different too on each system.

I can see prices though not necessarily escalating and potentially driven hardware costs down. If anyone can make a 'console' system that plays all games, you would have more competition. You would still have the same competition for games too - assuming Physical remains an option. You may have Sony, MS and other retailers also competing in a Digital store war - you could pick which 'digital' store had the 'best' price for a certain game.

I know it won't happen, its just that I get annoyed by all the pettiness and childish behaviour of fanboys. It just really brings down the image of 'gamers' and makes us all look like petty, childish, pathetic people who spend more time fighting over the little details than they do enjoying the games. If you look at the comments section of any gaming video, its just pathetic squabbling over which version is best, taking a dig at the other console for something. Its absolutely ridiculous. Instead of uniting together and just enjoying the game on whichever console you prefer for whatever reason and, if the game isn't up to standard, uniting together to demand better, uniting together to kick out bad practices etc...

I know MS and Nintendo do exactly the same with Exclusives too btw, the thread though wasn't discussing MS's next box or Nintendo's Switch, it was talking about Sony's PS5 and therefore I only mentioned Sony. I don't have 1 rule for Sony and a different rule for MS. If I say something 'negative' about Sony because this is a Sony focussed site, that negative would apply to MS or Nintendo too. I don't need to be told that MS/Nintendo do it too as if that somehow makes it right or invalidates the 'negative' I am applying to Sony. If I don't think Sony should do something, then I don't think MS or Nintendo should either!

@Octane I am certain that Sony, Nintendo and MS would still continue to make the games they do whether there is exclusivity or not. All 3 could be just big publishers of games for a single unified system - much like any other big publisher with multiple studio's. Sony compete with Universal, Paramount etc in the movie world so could compete with EA, Ubisoft etc in the gaming world too. I am sure a lot of their games would sell more and generate much more income than they did if they were multi-platform. Just think how many games Spider-Man would of sold if PC and Xbox gamers could buy it too. Its not just how many more games Sony could have sold either but how many more games might you of bought if you could without having to spend all that extra money on a 2nd or 3rd box to play games on - would more people have bought Sunset Overdrive, Cuphead, Zelda etc if they could play it on their system. Would buying a Switch make more sense if you could take your entire Sony digital Library with you on the go - if Nintendo stick with mobile options for example.

Sony are used to making electronics to be compatible with standard formats. You can buy a 4k HDR Bluray player from Sony that works with any TV, plays CD's, DVD's, Bluray's and 4k HDR Blurays regardless of whether they are 'Sony' discs with Sony Music or Sony Movies - you buy a Sony Bluray player if its the 'best' for the money or if not, buy any other brand. Same as it was with Hifi, with Mobiles, with TV's etc. Gaming though is separated up into different factions. I know its a bit like iOS vs Android but its still annoying.

I can't see it changing and maybe it shouldn't change either. I do think though that gamers perhaps should change. I think its ridiculous that often adults (18 is still considered an Adult) are arguing over resolution or frame rate - even if its fractionally better on one system or another. Competition can be healthy for consumers but its not healthy if that also breeds animosity, disrespect and contempt...

A pessimist is just an optimist with experience!

Why can't life be like gaming? Why can't I restart from an earlier checkpoint??

Feel free to add me but please send a message so I know where you know me from...

PSN: TaimeDowne

Octane

@BAMozzy I've never said they will stop making games. But without the incentive to sell a platform, I think we would miss out on a lot of passion projects that wouldn't have been funded otherwise. So in that regard it's a good thing. And seeing how the majority of the big publishers seem to be more profit-driven than anything else, I don't really want them to join them. More than half of the games I buy every year (excluding indie games) are either Sony or Nintendo published games; and I don't think that's a coincidence.

Octane

JJ2

@Octane
I agree. Exclusives are a strong, if not the main, incentive for buying a console, and therefore Sony has a strong incentive for making quality games because they are exclusives.
I think Ms has every interest to kill exclusivity and console gaming actually. That's my opinion, don't hate please haha
Seriously though, BAM is right about PSN being vs the world because XBL seeks some sort of monopoly I figure, which can't be a good thing.

JJ2

Top

Please login or sign up to reply to this topic