I don't think it was because it was a single player shooter. Look at doom 2016 and eternal, or the demand for titanfall 3, or how well armored core 6 sold.
It was a debut IP and developer that had no brand recognition that no amount of marketing would make up for. It should have been smaller budget and priced a lot lower. Personally I liked the look of it and want to play it, but not at the price it released with the games that released around it. Now I'm just waiting for it to hit ea play so i dont have to pay extra for it
@tatsumi Yes...but it takes a lot of grinding to see it. Warframe is not a good casual experience unfortunately. New user experience has come a long way and starts strong, but quite quickly I feel that users get overwhelmed with options and vague directions on how to proceed further. Pity because the story and lore goes deep. It also keeps getting added to which leaves some story additions on a cliffhanger as you wait for the next episode to drop in the next update...which can be cool or annoying depending on how you look at it
"As expected, sales lean heavily to the PS5 version with 96 per cent of the share."
This still annoys me. Sony pricing the ps5 version £10 higher than the ps4 version, yet the ps4 version having a free upgrade to ps5 is their way of sticking to their promise of having a free upgrade, but the masses do not realise and go and buy the more expensive version when they do not need to, meaning more money for Sony. Even now the prices quoted from amazon have the ps4 version cheaper...but the ps5 version is selling so many more copies. This is why sony 1st party are £70, the masses will pay it anyway. This is why Last Of Us PS5 is £70, the masses don't want to play the ps4 version on ps5, they want the ps5 version no matter how much of a minor upgrade it is. Sony raking it in with these decisions to take advantage of the general userbase
I'm playing through lost legacy again, but the ps4 version. MS and 3rd parties and sony previously have offered free upgrades to next gen, I'm against paying sony tax on this one.
It's also why its better to purchase the ps4 version of Horizon 2 as its ps4 prices instead of ps5 prices, and you get access to both ps4 and ps5 verison.
@Isle_Delfino_Man I'm also astonished how many responses are "thanks for the £10 upgrade path". WTF people. MS, EA, SE, Ubisoft, Capcom, most indie publishers all offer free upgrades. Even 2k with Borderlands 3 and Activision with Crash 4 offer some of their library as a free upgrade. Why are people happy that sony are offering a paid upgrade instead of free like the rest of the industry?
Waiting for Game Pass release for series X, and that would be the answer even if I had a ps5. Cant beat game pass value, and theres enough games to play right now.
MS - we will continue to put our first party games on xbox one for at least a year after the series s/x Fans - How could you, we want next gen experiences
Sony - we believe in generations Fans - Take our money
Sony - just kidding! Miles Morales, Sackboy, horizon 2, gt7 and god of war 2 are going to be on ps4 too, so up to around 2 years after launch Fans - that is typical for console generations
Really??? After all they said and all the backlash against MS, now its just fine for Sony to remove more reasons to buy a ps5 knowing that many people bought it specifically for these games, and people just say its expected despite sony never putting out a cross gen title before.
I think its great for consumers and I'm happy with the change, but the vocal fans need to sort out what they are angry about.
Did no one else fully expect this? Digital sales happen so they can compete and drive traffic to the PSN store instead of people buying physical from retailers where Sony gets much less of a cut. Now Sony have an SKU that is entirely digital only, it makes sense that they are keeping the price high as owners of that SKU have no option but to buy from the PSN store.
I expect them to follow Nintendos lead this gen with 1st party games, look how well it works for Nintendo.
After Tom Marks (IGN) line "I envy those who get to try this game in 6 months when its patched", I'm quite happy waiting for a price drop scheduled after 4 months based on witcher 3 release and hopefully with some patches that make the base ps4 version work, or maybe by then stock of ps5 will be a thing again and the ps5 version of cyberpunk will be out.
Kinda Funny outlet says its going to be 4 hours this year. I'm looking for an official tweet from Geoff but can't find it, but I would trust they are in the know.
no option to vote for "i'm waiting for a all the bugs to be fixed/price cut". I'm waiting for which ever of those come first.
All this crap about missing folders, other storage filling up, no NVME support yet, rest mode broken etc etc. I want a working console for that kind of money.
I would have thought that "activities" would be an almost alternative for quick resume given you can jump to many different checkpoints in games , but there doesnt seem to be any talk about that so far. Does it not work as expected, is it just embargoed for some reason?
It has quick resume, just not in the same way as XSX does. That saves the state of any game and allow you to jump back in where you were. PS5 has activities, pre-set checkpoints in all ps5 games that can be jumped to at any time, essentially offering way more save states. Pity theres no way that will extend to ps4 games, so XSX has the upper hand in that it works for backwards compatible games, but theres still some form of quick resume on ps5 games, possibly better implemented than xsx...time will tell
Wow this totally sucks. The vita store is a nightmare to use and I only ever use the webstore for it. Why cant sony just embrace their legacy and keep the old games/systems on the store and have them usable on next gen hardware?
Ps3 could play ps1 games. Vita could play ps1 games and psp games. Ps4 has a psp emulator that they actually used about 3 times...and thats it. Imagine if they put a little effort into some software emulation, you could play ps1, ps2 classics digital releases, psp games, psvita games that actually worked on the pstv (smaller list i know) and actually have a playstation legacy and reward all those fans that have been there since the ps3 days...
Really this is Sony US/EUs fault. Back with the PS1 they started with the transition to X is confirm and O is cancel, while Sony Japan and Nintendo still used O and A in the same location on the right. Now 25 years later after keeping the control scheme separate in Japan and the west, they suddenly decide that the westernised change should be the only choice. Thats going to piss a lot of people off in the east, and wouldnt have been an issue if sony US didnt bother to change it in the first place, we would all have grown up using O for accept and wouldnt feel like theres a problem.
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Re: Immortals of Aveum Cost $125 Million, Branded a 'Truly Awful Idea'
I don't think it was because it was a single player shooter. Look at doom 2016 and eternal, or the demand for titanfall 3, or how well armored core 6 sold.
It was a debut IP and developer that had no brand recognition that no amount of marketing would make up for. It should have been smaller budget and priced a lot lower. Personally I liked the look of it and want to play it, but not at the price it released with the games that released around it. Now I'm just waiting for it to hit ea play so i dont have to pay extra for it
Re: Warframe's Mind-Bending Duviri Paradox Expansion Offers Different Ways to Play
@tatsumi Yes...but it takes a lot of grinding to see it. Warframe is not a good casual experience unfortunately. New user experience has come a long way and starts strong, but quite quickly I feel that users get overwhelmed with options and vague directions on how to proceed further. Pity because the story and lore goes deep. It also keeps getting added to which leaves some story additions on a cliffhanger as you wait for the next episode to drop in the next update...which can be cool or annoying depending on how you look at it
Re: UK Sales Charts: Horizon Forbidden West Soars Back to the Top
@Grumblevolcano ah yes, great point. That would tip the scales towards ps5 version
Re: UK Sales Charts: Horizon Forbidden West Soars Back to the Top
"As expected, sales lean heavily to the PS5 version with 96 per cent of the share."
This still annoys me. Sony pricing the ps5 version £10 higher than the ps4 version, yet the ps4 version having a free upgrade to ps5 is their way of sticking to their promise of having a free upgrade, but the masses do not realise and go and buy the more expensive version when they do not need to, meaning more money for Sony. Even now the prices quoted from amazon have the ps4 version cheaper...but the ps5 version is selling so many more copies. This is why sony 1st party are £70, the masses will pay it anyway. This is why Last Of Us PS5 is £70, the masses don't want to play the ps4 version on ps5, they want the ps5 version no matter how much of a minor upgrade it is. Sony raking it in with these decisions to take advantage of the general userbase
Re: Poll: Did You Buy Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection?
I'm playing through lost legacy again, but the ps4 version. MS and 3rd parties and sony previously have offered free upgrades to next gen, I'm against paying sony tax on this one.
It's also why its better to purchase the ps4 version of Horizon 2 as its ps4 prices instead of ps5 prices, and you get access to both ps4 and ps5 verison.
Re: Poll: We Want You to Rate Your Favourite PS Vita Games
@get2sammyb Thanks! Rated.
It got me to dive into Steamworld dig 2 again on my vita, see if I can get closer to that platinum
Re: Poll: We Want You to Rate Your Favourite PS Vita Games
Two of my faves don't even exist on the list. Ys 8 Lacrimosa of Dana and Steamworld Dig 2. Both would be 9s if I could.
Damn I loved my vita but theres so few truly amazing games, ive rated like 18-9 games as a 10 for switch but very few even make 9 on vita
Mostly used for retroarch now. Also AM2R
Re: Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection Out 28th January on PS5
@Isle_Delfino_Man I'm also astonished how many responses are "thanks for the £10 upgrade path". WTF people.
MS, EA, SE, Ubisoft, Capcom, most indie publishers all offer free upgrades. Even 2k with Borderlands 3 and Activision with Crash 4 offer some of their library as a free upgrade. Why are people happy that sony are offering a paid upgrade instead of free like the rest of the industry?
Re: Poll: Did You Buy Deathloop?
Waiting for Game Pass release for series X, and that would be the answer even if I had a ps5. Cant beat game pass value, and theres enough games to play right now.
Re: Talking Point: Did Sony Lie About PS5?
MS - we will continue to put our first party games on xbox one for at least a year after the series s/x
Fans - How could you, we want next gen experiences
Sony - we believe in generations
Fans - Take our money
Sony - just kidding! Miles Morales, Sackboy, horizon 2, gt7 and god of war 2 are going to be on ps4 too, so up to around 2 years after launch
Fans - that is typical for console generations
Really??? After all they said and all the backlash against MS, now its just fine for Sony to remove more reasons to buy a ps5 knowing that many people bought it specifically for these games, and people just say its expected despite sony never putting out a cross gen title before.
I think its great for consumers and I'm happy with the change, but the vocal fans need to sort out what they are angry about.
Re: When Will PS5 Exclusives Drop in Price on PS Store?
Did no one else fully expect this? Digital sales happen so they can compete and drive traffic to the PSN store instead of people buying physical from retailers where Sony gets much less of a cut. Now Sony have an SKU that is entirely digital only, it makes sense that they are keeping the price high as owners of that SKU have no option but to buy from the PSN store.
I expect them to follow Nintendos lead this gen with 1st party games, look how well it works for Nintendo.
Re: Poll: Are You Buying Cyberpunk 2077?
After Tom Marks (IGN) line "I envy those who get to try this game in 6 months when its patched", I'm quite happy waiting for a price drop scheduled after 4 months based on witcher 3 release and hopefully with some patches that make the base ps4 version work, or maybe by then stock of ps5 will be a thing again and the ps5 version of cyberpunk will be out.
Re: When Is The Game Awards 2020?
Kinda Funny outlet says its going to be 4 hours this year. I'm looking for an official tweet from Geoff but can't find it, but I would trust they are in the know.
Re: Poll: Did You Get a PS5?
no option to vote for "i'm waiting for a all the bugs to be fixed/price cut". I'm waiting for which ever of those come first.
All this crap about missing folders, other storage filling up, no NVME support yet, rest mode broken etc etc. I want a working console for that kind of money.
Re: All PS5 Launch Games
@BansheeNorn
I totally missed that - even though I knew it was timed exclusive on ps5 and probably coming to xsx soon.
Given that demon souls is a ps3 game on steriods....Astro is the only true ps5 game on day 1! Yay Astro.
Re: All PS5 Launch Games
@BansheeNorn bugsnax is also ps4 - not ps5 exclusive
The only true exclusives are Demon Souls (which is a ps3 remake) Astros Playroom, and Godfall.
Re: PS5 Doesn't Have Quick Resume, But Loading Is Lightning Fast
I would have thought that "activities" would be an almost alternative for quick resume given you can jump to many different checkpoints in games , but there doesnt seem to be any talk about that so far. Does it not work as expected, is it just embargoed for some reason?
Re: PS5 Review - The Future of PlayStation
Do we know if game sharing is still a thing on ps5? primary account sharing its game library with a secondary account?
Re: Days Gone Gets Huge 25GB Update Ahead of PS5
25GB for stability and performance fixes...wtf?
Re: Fans Are Trying to Figure Out if PS5 Has Quick Resume
It has quick resume, just not in the same way as XSX does. That saves the state of any game and allow you to jump back in where you were. PS5 has activities, pre-set checkpoints in all ps5 games that can be jumped to at any time, essentially offering way more save states. Pity theres no way that will extend to ps4 games, so XSX has the upper hand in that it works for backwards compatible games, but theres still some form of quick resume on ps5 games, possibly better implemented than xsx...time will tell
Re: Sony Launching New PS Store on Web and Mobile This Month
Wow this totally sucks. The vita store is a nightmare to use and I only ever use the webstore for it. Why cant sony just embrace their legacy and keep the old games/systems on the store and have them usable on next gen hardware?
Ps3 could play ps1 games. Vita could play ps1 games and psp games. Ps4 has a psp emulator that they actually used about 3 times...and thats it. Imagine if they put a little effort into some software emulation, you could play ps1, ps2 classics digital releases, psp games, psvita games that actually worked on the pstv (smaller list i know) and actually have a playstation legacy and reward all those fans that have been there since the ps3 days...
Re: Sony Abandons Decades-Old Japanese Controller Logic for PS5
Really this is Sony US/EUs fault. Back with the PS1 they started with the transition to X is confirm and O is cancel, while Sony Japan and Nintendo still used O and A in the same location on the right. Now 25 years later after keeping the control scheme separate in Japan and the west, they suddenly decide that the westernised change should be the only choice. Thats going to piss a lot of people off in the east, and wouldnt have been an issue if sony US didnt bother to change it in the first place, we would all have grown up using O for accept and wouldnt feel like theres a problem.