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@IamJT Exactly, and that's a pretty fair opinion

When it was initially announced, my expectations were higher than what we were given, but at the end of the day I still enjoyed playing it all the way through. That's what matters in the end for the most part.

@IamJT Yeah, after finishing it tonight, I think it's safely a 7/10. That's not a bad thing at all. A lot of the negativity here stems from people who haven't even played it.

@Khayl Actually, it can be a lie when it is literally false. Or whatever you want to call it. Also, no, the person's quote is not how a lot of people are feeling about the game. There have been plenty of people here that actually enjoyed the game. Obviously not everybody, but the vast majority of the negativity here has been from people who haven't even played the game. As for people outside of here, that is not even close to what the majority have said. With a lot of people playing it in Performance mode, there's been far more criticism of the game's graphics and issues people have with the stealth gameplay.

@Vladspartan Why do I automatically have to be a Ubisoft fanboy just because I'm defending the game against a quote I think is ridiculous?

@Voltan That's strange, unless I'm remembering wrong. Or things are different in the US than where you live. Oh well. Moving on.

I honestly didn't notice it this morning when I was playing it after the patch, but it had to have been there, so I guess I'm not as sensitive to it as some are.

Not quite sure the "damning indictment" quote needed to be included in the article @Khayl, especially when it's a flat out lie. It's actually an entertaining game, and it's gotten more than enough negativity thrown at it without having to include that in an article for no reason. Yes, including this in today's patch is obviously bad, but that's not the game's fault.

@djlard I didn't know you exclusively used rest mode. I rarely use it, so I didn't know that.

@djlard @Voltan Didn't you two have the Explore page before they changed it to the Welcome hub? If so, it doesn't add a single button press to play a game as you would automatically start there every boot up. Unless I'm remembering something wrong, I don't get the complaint.

I love Horizon, so if they focus on that, fine. I also don't blame them for wanting to do different things after working on that series for nearly 10 years. It's funny how people are feeling the need to crap on the Horizon series just because they don't want to do Killzone anymore.

Sony could just have a different developer do a new Killzone. It shouldn't be that hard for Sony or fans to think of, but the likelihood of that happening with today's Sony is very slim since they love to leave IPs that fans want to return remain dormant.

Great to see that it's shaping up to be a really good game. I've only ever played one Lego game before, so between getting to play another one finally and being a huge Horizon fan, I'm really looking forward to play this one. Just pre-ordered it.

I don't really like it when they recast a character when the actor dies, but unfortunately like people have said he's almost too important to the plot just to have the character die in between games. That would've been an option though, and then just have Beta take over his work, but I also get not wanting to throw away the character.

My first pick would seriously be LeVar Burton. If not him, then the Keith David pick would obviously work.

My feelings about this haven't changed. I'm still a huge Horizon fan that won't be paying for the Remastered version anytime soon. I've already played Zero Dawn twice and it's still a really good version of the game. Yes, a decent amount of work went into this, but not everybody has changed their opinion.

I don't really think $50 for a AA title is unreasonable. That's still a $20 drop from AAA titles.

As for this, I would like to get it at some point. I know some consider it's PS3 era roots to be a negative, but I actually find it to be a positive since that era is still maybe the best ever for gaming. I'd rather go back and play something like that than some of the modern games.

Given that the 7/10 from here is an outlier amongst other reviews, I'll likely be waiting on this though. I have a lot of other things to play right now, and maybe they'll iron out some of the performance issues other places mentioned.

Just because this game may not sell well doesn't mean the developer will be dead after 1 game. The budget for this game would be a fraction of the budget something like Concord had.

Not a bad idea to release a demo. I've been sold on it ever since it was announced, so I won't be playing the demo since I already have it pre-ordered.

Finally playing Ys VIII when the PS5 version released a couple of years ago made any entry to the series that gets released on PS5 an instant purchase.

Still one of my all-time favorites. It, along with the rest of the series, is also why I'm primarily a PlayStation gamer. Special times back then.

It's too bad PlayStation was too busy remastering and remaking games that are less than 10 years old. Remastering the first 3 games to at least put them on the level of 4 and Lost Legacy would've been great, and even updating the gameplay a bit to the more modern level of them too. So I guess in the end remaking. I'd happily pay for that and play the collection all over again.

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Really looking forward to watching the first season as I was a big fan of the reboot trilogy. It likely won't be right away, but I'm glad it seems to have turned out to be pretty solid, even if it is barely Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes right now.

@Flaming_Kaiser Now that we veered off, I can agree with you.

You are not wrong that a lot of the problems really started after the PS3, which was probably the last of the glory days so to speak. Obviously the PS4 had a lot of amazing games, but the PS3 was the last gen where the disc would have a fully playable game on it at least 9 times out of 10.

Sure, the open world RPG Assassin's Creed trilogy of games ended up getting quite bloated by the end with Valhalla. I still enjoyed it, but Odyssey will always remain my favorite and Origins is probably the perfect length for a lot of people. Hopefully Shadows scales things back a bit when it comes out next year.

@Flaming_Kaiser Sure, old Ubisoft is the best Ubisoft. They still have released some good games though. It's a popular thing to crap on them. Even while some of it is deserved, they have released good games.

And? That doesn't change the fact that Immortals Fenyx Rising was a solid game. I wasn't talking about sales. Just the fact that they have actually made some quality games over the last 5 years or so.

Star Wars Outlaws is actually a solid enough game. Was it released too soon? Sure, which is why it needs patches and some technical optimization. Again, that doesn't change the fact that it's actually a solid enough game regardless. I guess somehow those of us that have actually really enjoyed the game are somehow wrong though as it goes against people's narratives that everything Ubisoft makes is trash.

@GigaGaia No, they don't need to stop with Assassin's Creed. That is still a series plenty of people love and would end up being a huge loss for fans. They also don't make Assassin's Creed games as frequently as they used to. Valhalla did end up bloated (I still liked it), but Origins and Odyssey were both good.

Star Wars Outlaws is not trash. It's a solid enough game that should've been delayed in order to optimize it better and such, but it is definitely not trash. There are several people, including myself, that have enjoyed it.

Beyond Good & Evil's 20th Anniversary edition is quite good from what I hear. Immortals Fenyx Rising was a solid Zelda clone, so that was good as well.

@UltimateOtaku91 No, you are far from the only one that likes Ubisoft games. It's just the cool thing to hate on them even though they have made good games. Sure, the open world Assassin's Creed games got bloated, but they are still good games, especially Origins and Odyssey.

A lot of the people that like to crap on Ubisoft probably don't even play their games. Yes, they could afford to branch out from their formula, but they have made several good games over the last 5 years or so.

@Mostik Agreed. That would be one legit complaint with the game, as you shouldn't lose rep with the other group if they had no idea you did it. Like you said, you can make it back up, but I've ended up passing on plenty of missions because I knew it would just damage the rep I had with the other group.

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Yes, I know I'm slow with the game, but I'm still enjoying it.

It is a shame how it's being perceived as a total failure when the game itself is quite enjoyable. Yes, it's a mess from a technical perspective in certain ways (especially the resolution in Performance mode), but I've been playing it since the early release and I've been enjoying it.

It probably should've been delayed to try to optimize the Performance mode better so it would be better than 1080p, but it's still worth playing for people whenever they'd get around to it.

This will be a rare month where I claim all 3 of them, and there's a good chance I'll play all of them. I always wait and by the latest WWE 2K around Black Friday, and for no reason I never got around to actually buying Dead Space. Doki Doki was something that was likely to slip through the cracks permanently, but now that I am getting it for free it might end up being a good palette cleanser at some point.

Obviously something that isn't preferred, but the amount of outrage was a combination of funny and a perfect example of how awful the internet is nowadays. Even one of the articles here saying that their background was replaced with an ad was a bit dumb, when the backgrounds had been replaced a long time ago when PlayStation forced the Activity Cards on us, replacing the background artwork with an activity from the game.

So, that's a big reason why I think the backlash was stupid. The ads just replaced an activity card, both things I would ignore every time I went to boot up a game anyways. To be that irate about them, going as far as to protest over it just makes themselves look stupid. Also, to hate the employee trying to calm things down was people being their usual selves on the internet. A useless thing replaced a useless thing. Woopdidoo.

Ummm, your glorious Space Marine 2 background was replaced with an ad? The glorious game backgrounds were replaced long ago when PlayStation decided to force the Activity Cards onto us, replacing the game artwork with an activity from the game. I'm not sure how this is really much worse.

PlayStation has done far worse things lately. To cry over this is a bit much to say the least.

Likely pushing back Horizon 3 so we can get some stupid online Horizon game? Screw that. I'm a huge Horizon fan, but that's for the single player games. I have 0 interest in playing something that is the exact opposite reason why I'm a PlayStation gamer and chose the PS5 as my go-to console this gen.

That is true. Load times and such like that have been a great thing for this generation. Unfortunately actual game design and such has gone straight in the toilet given how poorly some of the games are optimized.

I guess it's not a total surprise that this generation is a bit cursed since it had to start in the middle of a pandemic.

I'll be honest and say I'd actually consider getting the Pro at some point if it wasn't so damn expensive. I still believe it doesn't need to exist, but that's another story.

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@GamingFan4Lyf That makes sense, and would still be the developers' fault like I said as well. At least some of the issues this gen are definitely not the hardware's fault. There's too many examples to the contrary, but you can spend $700-$800 to brute force games to perform close to the way they should have from the start.

I'm not getting a Pro, but it'll be good for some people that Star Wars Outlaws is on the list. I've enjoyed the game, but the game's Performance mode is another one that's poorly optimized, with the resolution being quite horrible at times. That would definitely benefit from the Pro, although I still say instances like that are more on the developers than the hardware itself.

@Nei You're fine. I can go on quite a rant at times, so no big deal.

You are not wrong about Rebirth, but I still put the issues with the game's Performance mode on the developers and not the hardware.

In Fidelity mode, it is indeed a great looking game. Luckily the characters move "heavy" enough that playing it in 30 FPS wasn't a big deal as they wouldn't have moved that much differently in 60. Obviously I still would've preferred to play it in 60 regardless, but it was still enjoyable at 30.

I played FF16 at 30 FPS as well. It is amazing that it wasn't optimized properly either, but as usual that falls back on the developers/game engine and not the hardware. It was designed to be played at 30 FPS at least, so again, it was still enjoyable to play that way.

@Nei Fair enough for a frame rate comparison, but there's still no excuse why it's such a blurry mess in Performance mode. I know it's a cross-gen title, but when I can put in Remake and it looks a lot better than Rebirth does in Performance mode, something isn't right. I shouldn't have to buy a $700 console to get it to look the way it's supposed to. A drop in graphics quality in Performance mode is expected, but not like that.

@Nepp67 That still proves that the PS5 is perfectly capable of running good looking games at 60 FPS. Some developers either don't want to put the work in or just have engines that suck, so then we get heavily flawed Performance modes in some games. Here comes the PS5 Pro to save the day, but that shouldn't have had to happen.

I'm shocked that nobody has brought up the fact that it looks like Kaitlyn did nothing to try to look like Abby. Yes, they way overdid her look in the game, but I know there was plenty of talk when they cast her that she was going to have to bulk up. I know they technically can do their own take on the character, but I figured it would've at least been brought up that it looks like Kaitlyn is how she normally is.

@Gamer83 Exactly. I've said it repeatedly that it's a joke that people will have to spend $700 and probably then some in order to get games to work the way they should have all along. It's not that the PS5 isn't powerful enough to handle the games. It's that the developers were either too lazy or too inept to properly optimize their games. There's plenty of examples of games that look great and also run great. The PS5 has more power than people give it credit for in a sense.

There's no way Ghost 2 had anything to do with this, as I doubt that comes out until several months after Shadows.

A bit of a bummer, but it's not like there's not other games to fill the void until it comes out.

I feel the complaining is ridiculous. Honestly, what was really left to do with Jin? Sure, they could've come up with some generic story that gives him an excuse to be in another game given how well the original did, but they went the much more creative way with it. I'm all for that, regardless of how good Jin's character was.

@Ralizah Exactly. The Performance mode was a bit of a mess when it first came out, with a bunch of shimmering going on that ruined the look of the game. Once they ironed that out though, it was a beautiful game regardless of what mode you played it on. At least they fixed it, unlike Square Enix with FF16 and especially Rebirth.

The thing is, and I'm sure it will look ridiculous, but $700-$810 (Pro+Disc Drive+Stand) better? I dunno about that.

It was pretty mediocre up until the end. If it wasn't something we already knew about, which was a decent amount, then it was just DLC and remasters. Then Ghost 2's trailer started. That made it solid for me, but only because we finally got something substantial announced from Sony's 1st party for the first time in a long time (aside from Astro Bot).

It's taken way too long for PlayStation Studios to announce much of anything other than Astro Bot, so this doesn't erase all of the wastes of time the previous SoPs were mostly this year. They need to start doing this more often as there's still several studios that have showed nothing new on the PS5 or at least nothing for several years.

I'm still in the same boat I was before the State of Play. Don't care about the price, which is what was expected, nor the re-recorded dialogue and such. I'm a huge fan of the series, but that doesn't mean I'll pay for a remaster when I've already played the game twice. Maybe it'll change down the road someday if I get the urge to replay it, but there is nothing radical announced to change my mind currently.

An absolutely atrocious release date for Banishers unfortunately sealed it's fate before it even came out, so they should've expected low sales for that despite it receiving positive reviews. That's on them for releasing it in February. Jusant was never going to be a big seller.

I stopped watching these several State of Plays ago as I got sick of hoping for even a couple of unannounced first party titles and getting nothing (other than Astro Bot). I will continue that trend tomorrow.

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Still playing it, still enjoying it

@Grumblevolcano I got it from the PS Plus collection that they had up for free when the PS5 first came out. I will always have it for free.

We still have no games to release (compared to what they used to do), so let's remaster everything. On that subject, I hope they remaster Astro Bot next. I think I saw one texture in the very background of an area that was only 1439p, just outside of the rendering window. Gotta remaster it.

Even at $10, I'm good. Having a free digital copy of Days Gone from PS Plus is better.

@LowDefAl My mistake. I was unaware of the history. Maybe they would've been better off getting bought by somebody else then. Who knows.

Firewalk likely would've been better off if Sony never bought them.

I can only imagine how much these will cost, as I'd be surprised if they aren't more expensive than the standard models of everything. Otherwise I'd consider getting the DualSense as it looks pretty nice.