@Cloud39472 AAA games are expected to be better than Indy titles though. Traditionally reviewers give scores for visuals, music etc. So wouldn’t it make sense that there is higher expectations on a game with huge budgets, the best graphical designers and video game composers than there is on undertale which was all done by one guy?
You can score Veilguard whatever you like, doesn’t change the fact that for most people it was disappointing and could have been better. Whether it ticks boxes to get review scores is neither here nor there, it could be the greatest game in the world in all other respects but the dialogue is still so bad it puts most people off playing.
@Cloud39472 6-8 is pretty average for a AAA title with high budgets and expectations. It’s good if you compare it to games from smaller studios but something like Dragon Age should be really looking for 8-10. Origins being an 8 doesn’t really impact review scores, most credible reviewers don’t compare against other games.
As for reviews I guess they have to send to some people but it was a definite thing where press members who weren’t wholly positive in their previews weren’t granted review copies when they usually get them. Fexxtra Life and a few others. And they weren’t even that critical and certainly not part of the anti-woke media. Outlets like IGN simply can’t be trusted when a large proportion of their income comes from EA advertising the game on their website.
Companies want to control the narrative of their reviews as much as they can of course they do. That’s why they send out free stuff to them.
@Cloud39472 objectively simply means fair, or more not influenced by feelings or opinions. Almost all of the very low and very high reviews come with comments about how the game opposes or supports their world view.
Everyone just reviewing it fairly on a scale against every other game out there seems to be finding that 6-8 margin. It’s an average game.
Also they mostly didn’t send review copies to people who were critical. It caused a lot of criticism as people who didn’t like the first play event didn’t get a review copy. There’s plenty of evidence they tried to skew reviews in their favour but I don’t think that’s a terrible thing, it makes business sense.
As for reviews in general, any reviewer who relies on the game company for revenue is bias, even unconsciously so.
@Cloud39472 Honestly I do think a lot of the positive reviews for dragon age have been faked/bought or in many cases with user reviews, inflated to fight the review bombers.
It’s fine to like the game but I think the general consensus is that it’s objectively pretty average, with decent enough gameplay, great production values and below average writing. It shouldn’t be getting 10s anymore than it should be getting 4s I don’t think. Anywhere between 6-8 seems correct.
@Cloud39472 Not necessarily. UK chart is U.K. only and it only counts physical copies sold. It’s not a great metric but it’s one of the few genuine sources of information. I think people are getting under a million sold by the amount of players that have been on steam and industry insiders.
It’s very hard to get accurate information about the game. Every single site telling us it’s been review bombed also go really over the top about good it is/how well it’s been doing.
If this article is to be believed though I’m going to take it that it hasn’t done so well. FF7 Rebirth was a PS5 only game that mostly sold online so it should have outperformed that in U.K. physical sales pretty comfortably. And Dragons Dogma 2 doesn’t have nearly the name recognition of Dragon Age.
You have to remember the media is saying this is the best dragon age game ever and it was the most expensive ever. So just getting by surely has to be deemed a failure.
@PuppetMaster I don’t actually feel it’s for kids. My 7 yo niece loves it, she loves Astro she loves seeing the levels, gets excited to save the bots and she can play a bit.
But she had to hand me the controller a fair bit even on the basic levels and had little/no chance of doing those special levels with the circle/square etc.
If there were any complaints, 100% completion may be too challenging for a lot of the people it attracts.
I’ll give it a 9. Reasons are that it’s a tad too short, that the optional levels can get a bit frustrating towards the end, that the main levels are a tad too easy and I didn’t recognise most of the cameos.
But otherwise it’s just above and beyond in every way, music, colour, sound, gameplay, bosses, level design, love it!
The older final fantasy games were exactly the same though, you just pressed buttons to cycle through text. There’s a scene in FF7 that takes ages to get through and prompts you to save mid way through.
RPGs involve story. If you just want an action game then it isn’t the best choice.
@NEStalgia from all of your comments in all of the articles, unless you’re a troll this game just isn’t for you and you should buy something like Spider-Man instead and just stop concerning yourself with this, it’s making you really mad lol
@gonzilla it’s because it was the prologue of the game. Once it opens up and you start going places it will improve. Most RPGs are dialogue heavy at the start.
@Muttt there’s no real point to their post though. They didn’t enjoy it, so what? It’s not going to be everyone’s cup of tea. It doesn’t add anything interesting or insightful to the conversation and it’s a waste of their time when they could be having fun talking about something they actually do enjoy. Negative opinions are pretty worthless when something is obviously popular and good, and most of them are just trying to bring others down. Really do you think anyone cares if you didn’t like a demo of a video game? Keep it to yourself.
@RBRTMNZ I think it’s fine to be not into the game, but I also think a lot of negative comments are just to be negative or different.
Someone saying they don’t like the demo is fine, it’s their opinion. There’s nothing wrong with them not liking it.
Someone saying the demo is bad or the combat is bad or whatever.. that’s obviously going to get pushback because the clear consensus is that’s not the case.
I’m not really sure why some people feel the need to say they don’t like a game or aren’t going to buy it anyway, it’s not like it’s an important thing to add to a conversation. Generally if I didn’t like something I would be on the comment section of something that I did. Life is too short to spend time on things we don’t enjoy. Shame the demo didn’t do it for you, but there’s a lot of other games coming out, sure one of those will. Let other people have fun eh?
@mikeawmids they said it’s because it’s the prologue to the game so it’s story heavy section. I’d play the second section and if you still find it too dialogue heavy might just not be for you.
@Nalodart did you play with those time accessory things on? They cause most of the QTEs, they’re to help players not great at action games. Without it you should only get a couple of QTE per boss fight.
@nessisonett how much more would it have sold without all the negative publicity?
But beyond that we generally know that bait and switches work the first time. Get broke go woke tends to refer to the death of the franchise. After the bait and switch buys/ratings seemingly always go down for all subsequent entries/seasons. Fans buy it/watch it/play it, are disappointed and don’t buy the next one.
I don’t get why people celebrate woke either way. You want to tell me what was not diverse about the original saints row games which starred about 50 percent minority characters by my take?
It’s not the minorities that make woke content terrible, it’s the forced nature of having to remind us every 5 minutes that they’re a black person/woman rather than just being a badass character like women and black people always were in video games and comics before communists got their hands on them. If you really value terribly written shoehorned characters and trashy writing over a great game/film with a good plot, I just don’t understand it or know what to tell you. There’s a place for radical socialism but I wouldn’t say media was it.
@Danloaded that’s kinda the thing, it is because of woke. I get that you don’t dislike them because they’re a geeky anti capitalist liberal black guy with a bow tie. You dislike them because they’re bland and no effort went into making them likeable.
But they’re bland because the developers cared more about having a geeky anti capitalist liberal black guy with a bow tie than they did a well written well developed likeable character that fit the story.
@Milktastrophe that might be the official meaning but in the case of things like this it’s the politics and agenda that is the main issue for people rather than the racism you seem desperate to label them with.
As I said among many other examples the original saints row had a major Hispanic, black, Jewish and Asian female character and they were really well liked. Julius, a black man, is the most popular character in the series. This is diversity. People did not rebel against these characters because they were good characters regardless of their background.
In 2022 the directors have gone on record at several points to stress how important it is to be diverse and show diversity in the game, call those who didn’t like the art ‘haters’, while creating a ‘street gang’ made up of the geekiest looking diversity crew they possibly could which in itself damages the credibility of the game as a serious Saints Row reboot from the outset.
The characters themselves stress how important their cultures and diversity are and this is seemingly at the expense of them having any real personality beyond their minority status.
This is done for a purpose, not to show the ‘existence’ of non white people, because the first saints row did that. They force it as part of a political agenda spreading across all media. For what purpose I don’t know, but it’s not to make us aware non white people exist as we’ve known this since 1970.
The initial saints row was a far better example of actual diversity, showing rounded fleshed out minority characters that were more than a box ticking exercise, while also showing that the majority of Americans are white people which like it or not is simply a fact of life.
@Milktastrophe I don’t think that’s it. Woke refers more to a political agenda.
The original saints row had a more diverse cast than this one does - plenty of female characters and Asian and Hispanic and black characters. And that didn’t get criticised, it was praised. But they didn’t make it a selling point of the game in the way they did this time around.
A lot of people want them to focus primarily on them being good characters rather than being (tick box here) which we are seeing more of. Although I do get there’s a lot of racism and things in with the criticism.
@ATaco Forbidden West didn’t sell all that well initially as it came out at a more competitive time. There was Elden Ring, that FF title, I’m sure some other stuff as well.
It always looked like a decent enough game that would be good to buy when the price dropped a bit. Some stores have reduced it already, and it’s benefitting from being part of PS5 bundles and not a lot of quality new games coming out.
It’s not been the hit they had hoped but it’s one of those games they’ll will keep selling along with consoles I think.
There’s just not really much out. I’m still playing the Hitman 3 maps and looking at buying Great Ace Attorney. I’m assuming every PS5 AAA pretty much will take the top spot upon release right now. Hasn’t been a really decent release for it since Elden Ring in.. February?
@ryanburnsred i skipped 3 because it was such a change in direction and tone, I remember being so disappointed in hearing it.
But gave 4 a chance while sick from work and on sale and that was funny as hell! It’s about the boss of the saints becoming president and defending the USA from an alien invasion haha
I bought Saints Row 1 on day one and loved it, more than GTA. I loved it.
2 was a day one buy and I loved that too.
3 I didn’t buy - I was really disappointed by the change of tone and didn’t want to support it.
4 I bought on sale and loved it. I thought I’d probably hate it but would at least have a bit of fun driving around. It was silly but once I got used to it I think I liked it as much as 1 and 2 for different reasons. It was ironically a great superhero game haha.
The new one doesn’t look like Saints Row to me and I haven’t bought. I might pick it up in sale but I’m also thinking to just skip due to bad reviews and what looks like a bad direction. I’m older now and have less time to play games so I don’t really want to waste money on something that might not be good.
I would buy a good saints row, I’m just not sure this is a good direction. I think I’d rather try 3 on PS5 so I could give it a fair chance honestly.
@Oz_Momotaro If you truly had such a degree you’d be aware that companies such as these innovate beyond what you learnt in class and you’d also be capable of doing your own research. A quick google search of ps4 coil whine will show you the capacitors and explain the problem. And there are many videos online of people taking the Xbox apart. Again you took a lot out of context, I never said anything was done specifically to eliminate coil whine or that they completely succeed. Just that they add a liquid substance and it’s better. If you are determined not to accept weird noises that clearly weren’t intended as a defect to justify your purchase then there’s not much more I can say.
At this point I’m just going to be the bigger man because you keep bumping a really old thread needing to have the last word and there’s no prizes for arguing on the internet my man. I won’t be coming back and I suggest you don’t either. Have a nice day.
@Oz_Momotaro I said they put a liquid substance on their parts to prevent coil whine. Which they do. You are talking about liquid cooling. These are two separate things. The substance they use it to keep the parts from vibrating against each other, it has nothing to do with cooling. Perhaps learn about the console before you start lecturing. Or just drop it, it’s really old now.
@Oz_Momotaro also regarding reading the comments, when did I ever mention liquid cooling?
Coil whine comes when the capacitors vibrate. It’s the sound of the parts touching. Sony use cheap parts, the same as in the PS4 pro that also have the problem, and make no effort to limit the noise (Microsoft cover the parts with a substance - not to cool but to stop them vibrating against each other). Then they say ‘electronics make noise’ and refuse to accept it as a defect even though you yourself say that yours doesn’t make this noise.
@Oz_Momotaro I’m not trolling! Do have bad coil whine it’s a shame.
If you read what I said, it’s that the PS4 Pro for exclusive games, and Xbox Series X for the better hardware, which is kinda factual at this point just by looking at specs, is the best combination.
Why? Because how many PS5 exclusive games do you like?
This is easily solved by ditching PS4 support and moving on with the next generation as they promised they would do. But as it is I paid $500 for slightly better looking PS4 games and a broken fridge noise. There is no reason to own a PS5 right now unless you really like Ratchet.
@Sakisa it’s happened every single generation. Tell me one generation where Sony have continued developing first party exclusives for the previous generation beyond the first couple of games.
Usually you get a few years of fifa, assassins creed ports etc, but you’re essentially saying Mario 64 should have been made for the SNES.
Gran Tourismo has always been a launch title for a brand new console. Perhaps the previous generation got a port of it at some point, but developing specifically for out of date hardware isn’t something that has been done before outside of a small initial transition.
Sony literally said GOT and TLOU2 were their last big PS4 titles. It makes no sense to keep developing big games for a console that reached its limit, its holding everyone else back.
When can I have my PS5 games? 2026? Very selfish. You say yourself you’re intending to upgrade to PS5. So you can play crappy PS4 games on it? No, you will want next gen. So just wait like everyone did every other gen is the better solution for you as well as me but ‘wahhhh I want god of war now’ is all I hear from PS4 users. So we’ll all get a gimped god of war. Congratulations.
@Oz_Momotaro I’m not an Xbox fan at all. I’ve only ever owned a 360 which was great, but otherwise I’ve had all the ps generations.
PS5 is just hugely disappointing. The main reason to go with Sony is the exclusive games and if I can play them all on my PS4 then that totally negates that advantage.
And as I say terrible coil whine, need tv on more than medium to not hear it from 4-5 feet away. Sounds like a broken old fridge. Hugely obvious in menus and stealth sections such as Hitman 3. Trying to sneak around and just have a constant buzz from the console. And you may have it and not know - it only comes on PS5 version of games when the console is really being pushed and some people just can’t hear coil whine as it’s a frequency noise. But the majority of units seem to have some and Sony are saying it’s normal and they’re supposed to do that.
With Xbox Series X and a PS4 pro you have the best of both worlds. Sony’s latest exclusives (bar ratchet and clank) and a next gen machine which is built better and technically superior to the PS5.
It’s you who has the ‘fanboy’ problem here it seems. I’m simply looking at the pros and cons of each. The Xbox series X is undeniably better if Sony aren’t using their exclusives on PS5. Not only does it not have coil whine but they’ve actively put a liquid substance on their parts to prevent it. While Sony are using the same cheap capacitors they used in the PS4 pro.
I’m not sure what we’re debating here. It’s a well known fact that the Microsoft hardware is better - they make PCs in the main. But it was the Sony exclusives that sold the consoles, not haptic feedback that never gets used because the game is made for PS4 first and foremost and is little more than a gimmick to begin with. Until they ditch the PS4, most people are better off saving their money and I wish I had.
@danlk1ng you keep talking about snobs and elitism. No one is saying that.
It’s simple. Run cyberpunk on your PS4 and tell me that it’s good. PS4 was never a good console technically and it’s been pushed far beyond what it’s capable of doing and has been exposed. It’s time it was put on the shelf as far as new IPs go. As is the way in every generation of consoles.
Games like Gran Tourismo could be far superior without being held back by 7 year hardware. If you don’t want next gen games fine, go back to your PS4 pro or whatever but stop putting words in peoples mouths and looking down on others. The only one talking about snobbery is you.
@SJBUK it doesn’t have to make use of every aspect of the PS5. Just be beyond the PS4. And we’re already there, look at cyberpunk 2077. They weren’t able to realise that on last gen.
So basically anything as ambitious as that we can’t have anymore and we’re going to be stuck with the last of us 2 as the benchmark for console gaming. Because they simply can’t do any better than that on PS4.
Remember they all said the PS4 was pushed to its limit with GOT and TLOU2. So if it isn’t abandoned then there’s no such thing as next gen gaming really. Just prettier graphics on games that are restricted on memory, AI, weather conditions, map size and generation etc etc...
@B_Lindz they wouldn’t lose millions by not making first party games on PS4. You’d simply by them when/if you upgraded and you’d have more incentive to do so.
No one was saying the PS4 should die, but traditionally they would only be getting third party ports from now on. But seemingly we’re going to have to put up with subpar games made for decades old tech longer because you weren’t able to get a ps5 yet. But guess what, when you get one you won’t have anything great to play on it so it’s lose lose for all involved.
Imagine where gaming would be if sega and Nintendo had needed all their new games to run on the nes and master system. That’s what you’re asking for.
@danlk1ng completely different complaint. People complaining that Sony games go to pc are just being silly. People complaining god of war won’t be as good as it should be because it’s being designed to run on PS4 have a valid issue.
I’d agree with you if it’s just ‘these people playing my games’ but that’s not mine or most people’s concern.
Look at the very few games made for PS5 alone, Astro, ratchet etc... then look at something like Hitman 3 or REVIII. There’s a difference in quality. One is next gen and the others are last gen with a shiny coat of paint.
Until games are made that just won’t run well on a PS4, you have a PS4 pro pro, not a PS5.
The problem with next gen isn’t that it’s not better than the last gen. Its simply that it’s shackled if they keep making it so the games have to run on PS4.
It’s like if Nintendo made it so Mario 64 had to run on the Super Nintendo. It would be a different game.
As you said people aren’t using haptic feedback. But if all consoles had it or similar it would be industry standard.
@twitchtvpat I get not complaining about something that isn’t out yet but I can’t see how these games aren’t going to be worse than they would be if developed solely for next gen consoles.
I mean, imagine if Super Mario World had to be playable on the NES. Or Mario 64 on the SNES.
I understand PS4 is at a better standard than older consoles were but it’s still old technology, that really was outdated some time ago now and is exposed by high end PCs (see cyberpunk ps4 v pc version) which is where the PS5 should be. So to have to accommodate it is going to hold gaming back.
I’m also not saying they should let PS4 die. I fully expect them to get versions of COD, FIFA, Assassins Creed etc for the next few years at least.
But traditionally the top next gen first party games move to the new console in order to bring gaming forward and encourage sales.
If Horizon and God of War don’t at least run terribly on a PS4, then they’re not nearly as good as they could be had they made it for the new gen. But it sounds more like they’ll be spruced up last gen games at this point. Look at every PS5 exclusive game from returnal to Astro. They all look far better and use more new features than the cross play games PS5 version. There’s a reason for that, they aren’t held back by decade old hardware.
@AhmadSumadi that’s really not the problem here. I could care less if you’re poor or whatever.
It’s simply not next generation if the last generation is capable of playing it.
Hitman 3 for example. That is not a next gen game. It’s a PS4 game with shiny graphics on PS5. And we were told next gen games were going to be built from the ground up for these new consoles. We were also told GOT/TLOU2 were the last big games for PS4. That was clearly the intention but Sony decided to milk it for longer.
It isn’t about other people here, it’s about the games not being as good as they should be because they have to work on your ten year old base PS4 that was out of date tech soon after it released.
@Adidas3590 how am I an Xbox fanboy if I have a PS5? It’s just my opinion, it’s the worst system they’ve launched.
The PS5 has a coil whine issue. I heard weird buzzing over the tv from 6 feet away. The capacitors used are very cheap. Also they’ve used several fans so while some have a really good one, many have noisy ones. There’s a huge difference between models made in Japan and made in China. PS5 is ugly and cheaply made if we’re honest.
But Microsoft have always been technically better than Sony at this. Where Sony win is the games. And if you have a PS4 then the only games here are Astro, Demons Soul and Returnal. Because all the best games are just ps4 games being scaled up slightly. There’s nothing next gen here.
So on this occasion you’re better off with a series X.It’s the better machine, and Sony gave up its biggest weapon in any console war. Or just skip the generation altogether, as you said it’s just faster loading times and all the games are on PS4. Next gen just seems to just be an unnecessary cash grab this time.
@Richnj it’s simply Sony delaying progress for money. It was made very clear when marketing the PS5 that GoT and TLOU2 were the last big Sony games for that console generation and they made statements about believing in generations but PS4 users cried.
Now we have to accept that all new games need to run well on decades old hardware which wasn’t actually that great to begin with and is already pushed to its limits on every AAA title and can’t run things such as Cyberpunk. Of course games are worse for having to accomodate that. PS4 ran its course years ago.
I personally hope last gen just gets terrible ports, but I think it’s obvious that PS5 is just getting upscaled PS4 games at this point. No need for it, the PS4 library is massive and PS5 needs games to sell systems. People should upgrade or wait to play it.
And You’re basically saying PS5 games shouldn’t come out until over halfway through its life cycle. Which is ridiculous.
@Col_McCafferty so far all cross gen games with the exception of one, have been upscaled from the last gen. Bringing PS5 down rather than PS4 up.
Where is the haptic feedback for example, or the improved AI? It’s non existence. We simply get graphics and frame improvements. Because for the game to run well on PS4 thats all they can do. Otherwise it ends up like Cyberpunk. And companies aren’t going to want to risk all the abuse and damage to their reputation that CDPR got from current gen owners expecting their base PS4 to run it the same as a high end PC.
I hope you’re right personally. I hope Horizon explodes peoples PS4s and is a fantastic next gen experience. But I’m sure it will just be another limited PS4 game with prettier graphics. We’re stuck with TLOU2 as the benchmark quality until people start making exclusives. It’s the maximum a PS4 can run.
@Iroha no, graphics is the one thing that they can improve upon when porting PS4 games to the PS5.
But the games maps, AI, control scheme etc are all limited to what the PS4 can handle.
Look at Cyberpunk, a game made for high end PCs. It absolutely ruins the PS4.
The aim should be for gaming to move to Cyberpunk high end PC aspirations. PS5 has the technology to do so. But you want us to play PS4 games for the rest of time by the sounds of it. And the cries of PS4 players over cyberpunk is clear that you don’t care if it holds gaming back, as long as it’s good for you.
@Shinnok789 I’m starting to wonder why either company went to next gen consoles rather than just Xbox two and PS4 Pro 2.
The technology is obviously there but they weren’t willing to go all in yet due to their install base. And if they’re just going to play upscaled PS4 games there was no need for anything more than a revision of PS4 tech.
Also asides from possible spoilers I don’t understand all these PS4 users championing games being worse than they need to be just so they can play them now. Unless they intend to stick to PS4 for life. I am in this position with cyberpunk and opted not to play an inferior version and instead wait for the PS5 update. I don’t see why people are being impatient here, surely they would want good PS5 games to play when they do upgrade rather than a shinier version of something they already have. They’re holding gaming back.
I don’t foresee any real change in quality of games for 5-8 years or so at this point. Think Sony were just being greedy with the PS5. Quite a cheaply made ugly system too, don’t think it will be remembered fondly. Seems like every second generation is the charm for Sony.
@Tharsman they aren’t cross gen releases though are they. They are last gen games that run at a slightly better frame rate.
Astros playroom is probably the most impressive game on the system (didn’t play demons souls) because it’s the only thing that actually feels next gen in the way it plays.
@twitchtvpat yes the PS5 version will be better but it’s still essentially a PS4 game. We care because we want to play games designed for the newest technology, not decades old technology which was already out of date 6 years ago.
For a game to function on PS4 the only improvements the PS5 gets are essentially graphics. However if the devs didn’t need to make it for PS4 we could see vast improvements in map design, AI, control mechanisms etc.
If they’re going to continue this way they should take a ‘if it runs it it runs approach’ to PS4 and make games for Next Gen with a watered down cheaper cost port for last gen which allows people to see it and get the story - kinda like cyberpunk.
As it is they’re holding gaming back by doing this and can’t really insist on PS5 games costing more when it’s essentially just a shiny version of the same game on PS4.
@sanderson72 it was heavily heavily implied in the marketing that Ghost of Tsushima, FF7R and TLOU2 were the last big AAA PS4 titles.
No one expected games to stop coming out, obviously they were going to get ports of the latest FIFA and anything that could be scaled down easily enough probably for years to come.
But this is the first generation I remember where almost all the big name games are releasing on outdated hardware and holding the new generation back. PS4 games are being scaled up rather than PS5 games being scaled down, so we can never progress beyond where TLOU2 got to basically.
Yes, there’s been games, Zelda twilight Princess etc. But you wouldn’t expect to see Mario 64 on the Super Nintendo for example, and that’s what they’re essentially doing with Horizon and God of War. And again it’s almost all of them, not just one.
Also Sony’s main developers making their flagship games would know roughly what they should be doing for PS5 development, even 5 years ago.
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@Cloud39472 AAA games are expected to be better than Indy titles though. Traditionally reviewers give scores for visuals, music etc. So wouldn’t it make sense that there is higher expectations on a game with huge budgets, the best graphical designers and video game composers than there is on undertale which was all done by one guy?
You can score Veilguard whatever you like, doesn’t change the fact that for most people it was disappointing and could have been better. Whether it ticks boxes to get review scores is neither here nor there, it could be the greatest game in the world in all other respects but the dialogue is still so bad it puts most people off playing.
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@Cloud39472 6-8 is pretty average for a AAA title with high budgets and expectations. It’s good if you compare it to games from smaller studios but something like Dragon Age should be really looking for 8-10. Origins being an 8 doesn’t really impact review scores, most credible reviewers don’t compare against other games.
As for reviews I guess they have to send to some people but it was a definite thing where press members who weren’t wholly positive in their previews weren’t granted review copies when they usually get them. Fexxtra Life and a few others. And they weren’t even that critical and certainly not part of the anti-woke media. Outlets like IGN simply can’t be trusted when a large proportion of their income comes from EA advertising the game on their website.
Companies want to control the narrative of their reviews as much as they can of course they do. That’s why they send out free stuff to them.
I’m glad you like the game.
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@Cloud39472 objectively simply means fair, or more not influenced by feelings or opinions. Almost all of the very low and very high reviews come with comments about how the game opposes or supports their world view.
Everyone just reviewing it fairly on a scale against every other game out there seems to be finding that 6-8 margin. It’s an average game.
Also they mostly didn’t send review copies to people who were critical. It caused a lot of criticism as people who didn’t like the first play event didn’t get a review copy. There’s plenty of evidence they tried to skew reviews in their favour but I don’t think that’s a terrible thing, it makes business sense.
As for reviews in general, any reviewer who relies on the game company for revenue is bias, even unconsciously so.
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@Cloud39472 Honestly I do think a lot of the positive reviews for dragon age have been faked/bought or in many cases with user reviews, inflated to fight the review bombers.
It’s fine to like the game but I think the general consensus is that it’s objectively pretty average, with decent enough gameplay, great production values and below average writing. It shouldn’t be getting 10s anymore than it should be getting 4s I don’t think. Anywhere between 6-8 seems correct.
Re: Dragon Age: The Veilguard Sales Keep Pace with Dragon's Dogma 2, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth in UK
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare Rebirth did alright but remember it was PS5 only. So it still presumably has sales to come for PC and/or Xbox.
Re: In the UK, You Can't Buy a PS5 Pro Disc Drive without Paying a Premium
Scalpers would exist if stupid people didn’t buy from them. Leave them to sit on a loss.
Re: Dragon Age: The Veilguard Sales Keep Pace with Dragon's Dogma 2, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth in UK
@Cloud39472 Not necessarily. UK chart is U.K. only and it only counts physical copies sold. It’s not a great metric but it’s one of the few genuine sources of information. I think people are getting under a million sold by the amount of players that have been on steam and industry insiders.
Re: Dragon Age: The Veilguard Sales Keep Pace with Dragon's Dogma 2, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth in UK
It’s very hard to get accurate information about the game. Every single site telling us it’s been review bombed also go really over the top about good it is/how well it’s been doing.
If this article is to be believed though I’m going to take it that it hasn’t done so well. FF7 Rebirth was a PS5 only game that mostly sold online so it should have outperformed that in U.K. physical sales pretty comfortably. And Dragons Dogma 2 doesn’t have nearly the name recognition of Dragon Age.
You have to remember the media is saying this is the best dragon age game ever and it was the most expensive ever. So just getting by surely has to be deemed a failure.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Astro Bot?
@PuppetMaster I don’t actually feel it’s for kids. My 7 yo niece loves it, she loves Astro she loves seeing the levels, gets excited to save the bots and she can play a bit.
But she had to hand me the controller a fair bit even on the basic levels and had little/no chance of doing those special levels with the circle/square etc.
If there were any complaints, 100% completion may be too challenging for a lot of the people it attracts.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Astro Bot?
I’ll give it a 9. Reasons are that it’s a tad too short, that the optional levels can get a bit frustrating towards the end, that the main levels are a tad too easy and I didn’t recognise most of the cameos.
But otherwise it’s just above and beyond in every way, music, colour, sound, gameplay, bosses, level design, love it!
Re: Final Fantasy 16's Demo Has Been a Huge Hit With PS5 Players
The older final fantasy games were exactly the same though, you just pressed buttons to cycle through text. There’s a scene in FF7 that takes ages to get through and prompts you to save mid way through.
RPGs involve story. If you just want an action game then it isn’t the best choice.
Re: Final Fantasy 16's Demo Has Been a Huge Hit With PS5 Players
@NEStalgia from all of your comments in all of the articles, unless you’re a troll this game just isn’t for you and you should buy something like Spider-Man instead and just stop concerning yourself with this, it’s making you really mad lol
Re: Final Fantasy 16's Demo Has Been a Huge Hit With PS5 Players
@gonzilla it’s because it was the prologue of the game. Once it opens up and you start going places it will improve. Most RPGs are dialogue heavy at the start.
Re: Poll: What Do You Think of the Final Fantasy 16 PS5 Demo?
@Muttt there’s no real point to their post though. They didn’t enjoy it, so what? It’s not going to be everyone’s cup of tea. It doesn’t add anything interesting or insightful to the conversation and it’s a waste of their time when they could be having fun talking about something they actually do enjoy. Negative opinions are pretty worthless when something is obviously popular and good, and most of them are just trying to bring others down. Really do you think anyone cares if you didn’t like a demo of a video game? Keep it to yourself.
Re: Poll: What Do You Think of the Final Fantasy 16 PS5 Demo?
@RBRTMNZ I think it’s fine to be not into the game, but I also think a lot of negative comments are just to be negative or different.
Someone saying they don’t like the demo is fine, it’s their opinion. There’s nothing wrong with them not liking it.
Someone saying the demo is bad or the combat is bad or whatever.. that’s obviously going to get pushback because the clear consensus is that’s not the case.
I’m not really sure why some people feel the need to say they don’t like a game or aren’t going to buy it anyway, it’s not like it’s an important thing to add to a conversation. Generally if I didn’t like something I would be on the comment section of something that I did. Life is too short to spend time on things we don’t enjoy. Shame the demo didn’t do it for you, but there’s a lot of other games coming out, sure one of those will. Let other people have fun eh?
Re: Poll: What Do You Think of the Final Fantasy 16 PS5 Demo?
@mikeawmids they said it’s because it’s the prologue to the game so it’s story heavy section. I’d play the second section and if you still find it too dialogue heavy might just not be for you.
Re: Poll: What Do You Think of the Final Fantasy 16 PS5 Demo?
@Nalodart did you play with those time accessory things on? They cause most of the QTEs, they’re to help players not great at action games. Without it you should only get a couple of QTE per boss fight.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Saints Row Claims the Throne, Sells Best on PS5
@nessisonett how much more would it have sold without all the negative publicity?
But beyond that we generally know that bait and switches work the first time. Get broke go woke tends to refer to the death of the franchise. After the bait and switch buys/ratings seemingly always go down for all subsequent entries/seasons. Fans buy it/watch it/play it, are disappointed and don’t buy the next one.
I don’t get why people celebrate woke either way. You want to tell me what was not diverse about the original saints row games which starred about 50 percent minority characters by my take?
It’s not the minorities that make woke content terrible, it’s the forced nature of having to remind us every 5 minutes that they’re a black person/woman rather than just being a badass character like women and black people always were in video games and comics before communists got their hands on them. If you really value terribly written shoehorned characters and trashy writing over a great game/film with a good plot, I just don’t understand it or know what to tell you. There’s a place for radical socialism but I wouldn’t say media was it.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Saints Row Claims the Throne, Sells Best on PS5
@Danloaded that’s kinda the thing, it is because of woke. I get that you don’t dislike them because they’re a geeky anti capitalist liberal black guy with a bow tie. You dislike them because they’re bland and no effort went into making them likeable.
But they’re bland because the developers cared more about having a geeky anti capitalist liberal black guy with a bow tie than they did a well written well developed likeable character that fit the story.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Saints Row Claims the Throne, Sells Best on PS5
@Milktastrophe that might be the official meaning but in the case of things like this it’s the politics and agenda that is the main issue for people rather than the racism you seem desperate to label them with.
As I said among many other examples the original saints row had a major Hispanic, black, Jewish and Asian female character and they were really well liked. Julius, a black man, is the most popular character in the series. This is diversity. People did not rebel against these characters because they were good characters regardless of their background.
In 2022 the directors have gone on record at several points to stress how important it is to be diverse and show diversity in the game, call those who didn’t like the art ‘haters’, while creating a ‘street gang’ made up of the geekiest looking diversity crew they possibly could which in itself damages the credibility of the game as a serious Saints Row reboot from the outset.
The characters themselves stress how important their cultures and diversity are and this is seemingly at the expense of them having any real personality beyond their minority status.
This is done for a purpose, not to show the ‘existence’ of non white people, because the first saints row did that. They force it as part of a political agenda spreading across all media. For what purpose I don’t know, but it’s not to make us aware non white people exist as we’ve known this since 1970.
The initial saints row was a far better example of actual diversity, showing rounded fleshed out minority characters that were more than a box ticking exercise, while also showing that the majority of Americans are white people which like it or not is simply a fact of life.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Saints Row Claims the Throne, Sells Best on PS5
@Milktastrophe I don’t think that’s it. Woke refers more to a political agenda.
The original saints row had a more diverse cast than this one does - plenty of female characters and Asian and Hispanic and black characters. And that didn’t get criticised, it was praised. But they didn’t make it a selling point of the game in the way they did this time around.
A lot of people want them to focus primarily on them being good characters rather than being (tick box here) which we are seeing more of. Although I do get there’s a lot of racism and things in with the criticism.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Saints Row Claims the Throne, Sells Best on PS5
@ATaco Forbidden West didn’t sell all that well initially as it came out at a more competitive time. There was Elden Ring, that FF title, I’m sure some other stuff as well.
It always looked like a decent enough game that would be good to buy when the price dropped a bit. Some stores have reduced it already, and it’s benefitting from being part of PS5 bundles and not a lot of quality new games coming out.
It’s not been the hit they had hoped but it’s one of those games they’ll will keep selling along with consoles I think.
Re: UK Sales Charts: Saints Row Claims the Throne, Sells Best on PS5
There’s just not really much out. I’m still playing the Hitman 3 maps and looking at buying Great Ace Attorney. I’m assuming every PS5 AAA pretty much will take the top spot upon release right now. Hasn’t been a really decent release for it since Elden Ring in.. February?
Re: Poll: Did You Buy Saints Row?
@ryanburnsred i skipped 3 because it was such a change in direction and tone, I remember being so disappointed in hearing it.
But gave 4 a chance while sick from work and on sale and that was funny as hell! It’s about the boss of the saints becoming president and defending the USA from an alien invasion haha
Re: Poll: Did You Buy Saints Row?
I bought Saints Row 1 on day one and loved it, more than GTA. I loved it.
2 was a day one buy and I loved that too.
3 I didn’t buy - I was really disappointed by the change of tone and didn’t want to support it.
4 I bought on sale and loved it. I thought I’d probably hate it but would at least have a bit of fun driving around. It was silly but once I got used to it I think I liked it as much as 1 and 2 for different reasons. It was ironically a great superhero game haha.
The new one doesn’t look like Saints Row to me and I haven’t bought. I might pick it up in sale but I’m also thinking to just skip due to bad reviews and what looks like a bad direction. I’m older now and have less time to play games so I don’t really want to waste money on something that might not be good.
I would buy a good saints row, I’m just not sure this is a good direction. I think I’d rather try 3 on PS5 so I could give it a fair chance honestly.
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Re: God of War Ragnarok, Gran Turismo 7 PS4 Versions Confirmed
@Oz_Momotaro If you truly had such a degree you’d be aware that companies such as these innovate beyond what you learnt in class and you’d also be capable of doing your own research. A quick google search of ps4 coil whine will show you the capacitors and explain the problem. And there are many videos online of people taking the Xbox apart. Again you took a lot out of context, I never said anything was done specifically to eliminate coil whine or that they completely succeed. Just that they add a liquid substance and it’s better. If you are determined not to accept weird noises that clearly weren’t intended as a defect to justify your purchase then there’s not much more I can say.
At this point I’m just going to be the bigger man because you keep bumping a really old thread needing to have the last word and there’s no prizes for arguing on the internet my man. I won’t be coming back and I suggest you don’t either. Have a nice day.
Re: God of War Ragnarok, Gran Turismo 7 PS4 Versions Confirmed
@Oz_Momotaro I said they put a liquid substance on their parts to prevent coil whine. Which they do. You are talking about liquid cooling. These are two separate things. The substance they use it to keep the parts from vibrating against each other, it has nothing to do with cooling. Perhaps learn about the console before you start lecturing. Or just drop it, it’s really old now.
Re: God of War Ragnarok, Gran Turismo 7 PS4 Versions Confirmed
@Oz_Momotaro also regarding reading the comments, when did I ever mention liquid cooling?
Coil whine comes when the capacitors vibrate. It’s the sound of the parts touching. Sony use cheap parts, the same as in the PS4 pro that also have the problem, and make no effort to limit the noise (Microsoft cover the parts with a substance - not to cool but to stop them vibrating against each other). Then they say ‘electronics make noise’ and refuse to accept it as a defect even though you yourself say that yours doesn’t make this noise.
Re: God of War Ragnarok, Gran Turismo 7 PS4 Versions Confirmed
@Oz_Momotaro I’m not trolling! Do have bad coil whine it’s a shame.
If you read what I said, it’s that the PS4 Pro for exclusive games, and Xbox Series X for the better hardware, which is kinda factual at this point just by looking at specs, is the best combination.
Why? Because how many PS5 exclusive games do you like?
This is easily solved by ditching PS4 support and moving on with the next generation as they promised they would do. But as it is I paid $500 for slightly better looking PS4 games and a broken fridge noise. There is no reason to own a PS5 right now unless you really like Ratchet.
Re: God of War Ragnarok, Gran Turismo 7 PS4 Versions Confirmed
@Sakisa it’s happened every single generation. Tell me one generation where Sony have continued developing first party exclusives for the previous generation beyond the first couple of games.
Usually you get a few years of fifa, assassins creed ports etc, but you’re essentially saying Mario 64 should have been made for the SNES.
Gran Tourismo has always been a launch title for a brand new console. Perhaps the previous generation got a port of it at some point, but developing specifically for out of date hardware isn’t something that has been done before outside of a small initial transition.
Sony literally said GOT and TLOU2 were their last big PS4 titles. It makes no sense to keep developing big games for a console that reached its limit, its holding everyone else back.
When can I have my PS5 games? 2026? Very selfish. You say yourself you’re intending to upgrade to PS5. So you can play crappy PS4 games on it? No, you will want next gen. So just wait like everyone did every other gen is the better solution for you as well as me but ‘wahhhh I want god of war now’ is all I hear from PS4 users. So we’ll all get a gimped god of war. Congratulations.
Re: God of War Ragnarok, Gran Turismo 7 PS4 Versions Confirmed
@Oz_Momotaro I’m not an Xbox fan at all. I’ve only ever owned a 360 which was great, but otherwise I’ve had all the ps generations.
PS5 is just hugely disappointing. The main reason to go with Sony is the exclusive games and if I can play them all on my PS4 then that totally negates that advantage.
And as I say terrible coil whine, need tv on more than medium to not hear it from 4-5 feet away. Sounds like a broken old fridge. Hugely obvious in menus and stealth sections such as Hitman 3. Trying to sneak around and just have a constant buzz from the console. And you may have it and not know - it only comes on PS5 version of games when the console is really being pushed and some people just can’t hear coil whine as it’s a frequency noise. But the majority of units seem to have some and Sony are saying it’s normal and they’re supposed to do that.
With Xbox Series X and a PS4 pro you have the best of both worlds. Sony’s latest exclusives (bar ratchet and clank) and a next gen machine which is built better and technically superior to the PS5.
It’s you who has the ‘fanboy’ problem here it seems. I’m simply looking at the pros and cons of each. The Xbox series X is undeniably better if Sony aren’t using their exclusives on PS5. Not only does it not have coil whine but they’ve actively put a liquid substance on their parts to prevent it. While Sony are using the same cheap capacitors they used in the PS4 pro.
I’m not sure what we’re debating here. It’s a well known fact that the Microsoft hardware is better - they make PCs in the main. But it was the Sony exclusives that sold the consoles, not haptic feedback that never gets used because the game is made for PS4 first and foremost and is little more than a gimmick to begin with. Until they ditch the PS4, most people are better off saving their money and I wish I had.
Re: Talking Point: Did Sony Lie About PS5?
@danlk1ng you keep talking about snobs and elitism. No one is saying that.
It’s simple. Run cyberpunk on your PS4 and tell me that it’s good. PS4 was never a good console technically and it’s been pushed far beyond what it’s capable of doing and has been exposed. It’s time it was put on the shelf as far as new IPs go. As is the way in every generation of consoles.
Games like Gran Tourismo could be far superior without being held back by 7 year hardware. If you don’t want next gen games fine, go back to your PS4 pro or whatever but stop putting words in peoples mouths and looking down on others. The only one talking about snobbery is you.
Re: Talking Point: Did Sony Lie About PS5?
@SJBUK it doesn’t have to make use of every aspect of the PS5. Just be beyond the PS4. And we’re already there, look at cyberpunk 2077. They weren’t able to realise that on last gen.
So basically anything as ambitious as that we can’t have anymore and we’re going to be stuck with the last of us 2 as the benchmark for console gaming. Because they simply can’t do any better than that on PS4.
Remember they all said the PS4 was pushed to its limit with GOT and TLOU2. So if it isn’t abandoned then there’s no such thing as next gen gaming really. Just prettier graphics on games that are restricted on memory, AI, weather conditions, map size and generation etc etc...
Re: Talking Point: Did Sony Lie About PS5?
@B_Lindz they wouldn’t lose millions by not making first party games on PS4. You’d simply by them when/if you upgraded and you’d have more incentive to do so.
No one was saying the PS4 should die, but traditionally they would only be getting third party ports from now on. But seemingly we’re going to have to put up with subpar games made for decades old tech longer because you weren’t able to get a ps5 yet. But guess what, when you get one you won’t have anything great to play on it so it’s lose lose for all involved.
Imagine where gaming would be if sega and Nintendo had needed all their new games to run on the nes and master system. That’s what you’re asking for.
Re: Talking Point: Did Sony Lie About PS5?
@danlk1ng completely different complaint. People complaining that Sony games go to pc are just being silly. People complaining god of war won’t be as good as it should be because it’s being designed to run on PS4 have a valid issue.
I’d agree with you if it’s just ‘these people playing my games’ but that’s not mine or most people’s concern.
Look at the very few games made for PS5 alone, Astro, ratchet etc... then look at something like Hitman 3 or REVIII. There’s a difference in quality. One is next gen and the others are last gen with a shiny coat of paint.
Until games are made that just won’t run well on a PS4, you have a PS4 pro pro, not a PS5.
Re: Talking Point: Did Sony Lie About PS5?
@3MonthBeef it is far better than the PS4 though.
The problem with next gen isn’t that it’s not better than the last gen. Its simply that it’s shackled if they keep making it so the games have to run on PS4.
It’s like if Nintendo made it so Mario 64 had to run on the Super Nintendo. It would be a different game.
As you said people aren’t using haptic feedback. But if all consoles had it or similar it would be industry standard.
Re: God of War Ragnarok Delayed to 2022 for PS5, Sony Confirms
@twitchtvpat I get not complaining about something that isn’t out yet but I can’t see how these games aren’t going to be worse than they would be if developed solely for next gen consoles.
I mean, imagine if Super Mario World had to be playable on the NES. Or Mario 64 on the SNES.
I understand PS4 is at a better standard than older consoles were but it’s still old technology, that really was outdated some time ago now and is exposed by high end PCs (see cyberpunk ps4 v pc version) which is where the PS5 should be. So to have to accommodate it is going to hold gaming back.
I’m also not saying they should let PS4 die. I fully expect them to get versions of COD, FIFA, Assassins Creed etc for the next few years at least.
But traditionally the top next gen first party games move to the new console in order to bring gaming forward and encourage sales.
If Horizon and God of War don’t at least run terribly on a PS4, then they’re not nearly as good as they could be had they made it for the new gen. But it sounds more like they’ll be spruced up last gen games at this point. Look at every PS5 exclusive game from returnal to Astro. They all look far better and use more new features than the cross play games PS5 version. There’s a reason for that, they aren’t held back by decade old hardware.
Re: Talking Point: Did Sony Lie About PS5?
@AhmadSumadi that’s really not the problem here. I could care less if you’re poor or whatever.
It’s simply not next generation if the last generation is capable of playing it.
Hitman 3 for example. That is not a next gen game. It’s a PS4 game with shiny graphics on PS5. And we were told next gen games were going to be built from the ground up for these new consoles. We were also told GOT/TLOU2 were the last big games for PS4. That was clearly the intention but Sony decided to milk it for longer.
It isn’t about other people here, it’s about the games not being as good as they should be because they have to work on your ten year old base PS4 that was out of date tech soon after it released.
Re: Talking Point: Did Sony Lie About PS5?
@Adidas3590 how am I an Xbox fanboy if I have a PS5? It’s just my opinion, it’s the worst system they’ve launched.
The PS5 has a coil whine issue. I heard weird buzzing over the tv from 6 feet away. The capacitors used are very cheap. Also they’ve used several fans so while some have a really good one, many have noisy ones. There’s a huge difference between models made in Japan and made in China. PS5 is ugly and cheaply made if we’re honest.
But Microsoft have always been technically better than Sony at this. Where Sony win is the games. And if you have a PS4 then the only games here are Astro, Demons Soul and Returnal. Because all the best games are just ps4 games being scaled up slightly. There’s nothing next gen here.
So on this occasion you’re better off with a series X.It’s the better machine, and Sony gave up its biggest weapon in any console war. Or just skip the generation altogether, as you said it’s just faster loading times and all the games are on PS4. Next gen just seems to just be an unnecessary cash grab this time.
Re: Sure Sounds Like Horizon Forbidden West May Have Flying Mounts After All
@Richnj it’s simply Sony delaying progress for money. It was made very clear when marketing the PS5 that GoT and TLOU2 were the last big Sony games for that console generation and they made statements about believing in generations but PS4 users cried.
Now we have to accept that all new games need to run well on decades old hardware which wasn’t actually that great to begin with and is already pushed to its limits on every AAA title and can’t run things such as Cyberpunk. Of course games are worse for having to accomodate that. PS4 ran its course years ago.
I personally hope last gen just gets terrible ports, but I think it’s obvious that PS5 is just getting upscaled PS4 games at this point. No need for it, the PS4 library is massive and PS5 needs games to sell systems. People should upgrade or wait to play it.
And You’re basically saying PS5 games shouldn’t come out until over halfway through its life cycle. Which is ridiculous.
Re: Sure Sounds Like Horizon Forbidden West May Have Flying Mounts After All
@Richnj you’re just advocating for worse games here. Not sure why.
PS4 isn’t that bad a console so it’s fine to make the new games for it seems to be your point.
So let’s just stop making new consoles altogether and just stay at PS4 forever??
I don’t get it. Better technology is available, they should be using it to its full capacity.
Re: Guerrilla: Cross-Gen Has Not Limited Horizon Forbidden West in Any Way
@Col_McCafferty so far all cross gen games with the exception of one, have been upscaled from the last gen. Bringing PS5 down rather than PS4 up.
Where is the haptic feedback for example, or the improved AI? It’s non existence. We simply get graphics and frame improvements. Because for the game to run well on PS4 thats all they can do. Otherwise it ends up like Cyberpunk. And companies aren’t going to want to risk all the abuse and damage to their reputation that CDPR got from current gen owners expecting their base PS4 to run it the same as a high end PC.
I hope you’re right personally. I hope Horizon explodes peoples PS4s and is a fantastic next gen experience. But I’m sure it will just be another limited PS4 game with prettier graphics. We’re stuck with TLOU2 as the benchmark quality until people start making exclusives. It’s the maximum a PS4 can run.
Re: Talking Point: Did Sony Lie About PS5?
@Iroha no, graphics is the one thing that they can improve upon when porting PS4 games to the PS5.
But the games maps, AI, control scheme etc are all limited to what the PS4 can handle.
Look at Cyberpunk, a game made for high end PCs. It absolutely ruins the PS4.
The aim should be for gaming to move to Cyberpunk high end PC aspirations. PS5 has the technology to do so. But you want us to play PS4 games for the rest of time by the sounds of it. And the cries of PS4 players over cyberpunk is clear that you don’t care if it holds gaming back, as long as it’s good for you.
Re: God of War Ragnarok Delayed to 2022 for PS5, Sony Confirms
@Shinnok789 I’m starting to wonder why either company went to next gen consoles rather than just Xbox two and PS4 Pro 2.
The technology is obviously there but they weren’t willing to go all in yet due to their install base. And if they’re just going to play upscaled PS4 games there was no need for anything more than a revision of PS4 tech.
Also asides from possible spoilers I don’t understand all these PS4 users championing games being worse than they need to be just so they can play them now. Unless they intend to stick to PS4 for life. I am in this position with cyberpunk and opted not to play an inferior version and instead wait for the PS5 update. I don’t see why people are being impatient here, surely they would want good PS5 games to play when they do upgrade rather than a shinier version of something they already have. They’re holding gaming back.
I don’t foresee any real change in quality of games for 5-8 years or so at this point. Think Sony were just being greedy with the PS5. Quite a cheaply made ugly system too, don’t think it will be remembered fondly. Seems like every second generation is the charm for Sony.
Re: God of War Ragnarok Delayed to 2022 for PS5, Sony Confirms
@Tharsman they aren’t cross gen releases though are they. They are last gen games that run at a slightly better frame rate.
Astros playroom is probably the most impressive game on the system (didn’t play demons souls) because it’s the only thing that actually feels next gen in the way it plays.
Re: God of War Ragnarok Delayed to 2022 for PS5, Sony Confirms
@twitchtvpat yes the PS5 version will be better but it’s still essentially a PS4 game. We care because we want to play games designed for the newest technology, not decades old technology which was already out of date 6 years ago.
For a game to function on PS4 the only improvements the PS5 gets are essentially graphics. However if the devs didn’t need to make it for PS4 we could see vast improvements in map design, AI, control mechanisms etc.
If they’re going to continue this way they should take a ‘if it runs it it runs approach’ to PS4 and make games for Next Gen with a watered down cheaper cost port for last gen which allows people to see it and get the story - kinda like cyberpunk.
As it is they’re holding gaming back by doing this and can’t really insist on PS5 games costing more when it’s essentially just a shiny version of the same game on PS4.
Re: God of War Ragnarok Delayed to 2022 for PS5, Sony Confirms
@sanderson72 it was heavily heavily implied in the marketing that Ghost of Tsushima, FF7R and TLOU2 were the last big AAA PS4 titles.
No one expected games to stop coming out, obviously they were going to get ports of the latest FIFA and anything that could be scaled down easily enough probably for years to come.
But this is the first generation I remember where almost all the big name games are releasing on outdated hardware and holding the new generation back. PS4 games are being scaled up rather than PS5 games being scaled down, so we can never progress beyond where TLOU2 got to basically.
Yes, there’s been games, Zelda twilight Princess etc. But you wouldn’t expect to see Mario 64 on the Super Nintendo for example, and that’s what they’re essentially doing with Horizon and God of War. And again it’s almost all of them, not just one.
Also Sony’s main developers making their flagship games would know roughly what they should be doing for PS5 development, even 5 years ago.