For many fans, the existence of a PlayStation 4 version has categorically ruled out the existence of flying mounts in Horizon Forbidden West – after all, how could the ancient hardware cope with a feature so awesome? To be fair, we’ve had planes in last-gen games like Far Cry 5 and Just Cause 4, so it never seemed impossible to us – it just depends whether Guerrilla Games actually wants to do it.
Well, according to director Mathijs de Jonge, the team’s at least aware of the request. “We are aware that this feature is very, very high on the wishlists of many gamers, but I cannot confirm or deny anything about [flying mounts],” he told Singapore News Live. “I can only talk about what’s in the actual gameplay demo that we showed [during last week’s State of Play].”
It’s a suspicious answer in our opinion – almost like the feature exists, but Sony is waiting until a future gameplay demo to officially unveil it. This has been heavily requested since the announcement of the first game, so it’s perhaps not surprising that if the mechanic is in the game, it would comprise a key part of the sequel’s marketing schedule. Obviously, there’s no out-and-out confirmation (or, indeed, denial) here – but the way the question’s answered makes us suspect Guerrilla Games has something up its sleeve.
[source singaporenewslive.com]
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It's literally impossible. The PS4 doesn't have the FLY chip that allows for flying mounts.
Maybe it's a PS5 only feature. Needs the 16 GB ram.
I don't understand why riding a flying mount during combat would be such an impossible thing on the PS4, when we have had games with that mechanic using far weaker hardware than even the base PS4 for years prior. What about games like Ace Combat where you do nothing but fly? What's so special about making a flying mount work? Is it something to do with draw distance, physics calculations, AI or animations?
Please only have it in the PS5 version so I can feel superior to the plebs. 🧐
That's pretty the same answer Cory Barlog gave when asked about Kratos getting his blades back. Just throwing it out there.
@munstre Because maybe they want to save it and have it be a big reveal later in the game's marketing cycle. They started off showing a trailer of the environments, then last week we got more information on the gameplay. It's a slow trickle through to launch — they need to keep people engaged and excited, so they hold features back.
@Turismo4GT Yeah, I don't get it either. You can literally fly a plane in GTA5, and that was on PS3!
I get that it might not be the lightning fast mechanic that people perhaps have built up in their minds, but it can definitely be done.
I think it more depends on if Guerrilla actually want to do it or not.
@Turismo4GT Because the level of ground detail in AC is akin to a basic looking PS2 game and would look horrendous if you walked around as a person on the ground. All the times in Uncharted or TLoU when you squeeze through a gap, push something out the way, climb a wall or ladder, etc, that's to load the absolute shedload of stuff needed for the very detailed area you're about to enter.
It's similar in an open world game where even your movement speed is carefully considered based on how quickly new assets can be loaded. The lay of the land, too; lots of cliffs, hills, and obstacles to block line of sight to reduce how much has to be rendered at once. Flying obviously takes away that method, so further limits how nice the game can look and how many things will be around at once.
Flying mounts in the PS4 edition will actually make your console take off🤣
@Matroska Games do not load the highest quality asset for all assets at the same time. They stream in as you approach them.
This wouldn't even be a thing that stops the game having the mechanic. It would just mean the PS4 version looks worse than the PS5 when flying. Which is kinda expected.
@munstre @get2sammyb I'd imagine it's the "subject to change" problem. They may implement or test a mechanic or feature and cut it later if it doesn't work technically or with the game design, or if they don't have enough time to finish the feature.
@Turismo4GT I think people are looking to justify their PS5 purchase, which is just not necessary, and they've created a narrative where the only way to have certain features is to have these games as PS5 exclusive. And for some reason, they've decided that the SSD is the only way to have flying mounts, and if HFW doesn't feature them, then that's proof that HFW was gimped by the PS4.
Ahhh don’t make an article like this. He didn’t hint at it being in the game, he didn’t say anything suspicious, he just said he can’t confirm. When they eventually confirm that flying is not in the game there’ll be articles about them lying and PS4 holding the game back.
Also, let’s stop gatekeeping. There’s no reason why these games shouldn’t be on PS4 too. You guys act like the PS4 is like the PS2 but TLOU2 and GOT literally came out on it less than a year ago.
@munstre No, it's just the way video game marketing has always been. They don't tell you every single thing about the game to begin with, they gradually tease you with new stuff through until launch.
The proof is basically every video game ever.
Why could PS4 not have flying mounts 🤔 FF15 had a flying car. Whats the difference?
I dont get why this feature is only considered possible on ps5
@Richnj That seems to be the case for some of these new PS5 owners. 'I got the new hotness, so who cares about the console that I spent the last 6-7 years having great experiences on, gimme everything on PS5 wahhhhhh.' I'll check back and see how they're feeling in about 5 years when PS6 is on the Horizon (yes, pun intended).
I don't yet have a PS5, but I'm quite content knowing that while I may not have the best graphics or haptic feedback if I play on PS4 now, I can have those features when I do the upgrade.
@Octane It does have a Jaguar chip so at least we can mount them
Would definitely be cool, and lead to some Panzer Dragoon-like aerial battles. Also I would be totally fine without it. Seems like they’re more interested in the underwater stuff anyways, which actually will be infinitely more interesting considering what you could do with underwater caverns, tunnels, ruins, and temples. 🤷🏻♂️
Lair was a PS3 launch title. Sure, the motion controls at launch left a lot to be desired but they patched in normal controls and it was fine.
GameCube had Rogue Leader and everyone thought those graphics were insane at the time in 2000.
I'm sure there are reasons they couldn't get it work in HZD on PS4, but it was more likely the fault of the game engine than the hardware.
Him saying they ‘can’t confirm’ either means they are in the game and he can’t say yet or they weren’t going to be in the game but ‘oh crap, everyone wants flying mounts, we better try and add them!’
If they definitely aren’t going to be in the game they need to confirm it quickly because they don’t want to get everyone’s hopes up at the possibility of flying mounts, only to let us all down if/when it’s confirmed there aren’t.
I hope there are flying mounts. I’m imagining something similar to the Banshees in Avatar: The Videogame, but better.
I hope we get a new Avatar game when the sequel comes out in 2052. That game was great for a movie tie-in.
I remember using a glitch in the first game to 'fly' to some degree with the mounds you did have, was a fun glitch to try and the landscape looked good from the sky.
@Matroska naw, don't you remember epic's ps5 tech demo? Squeezing through gaps is to show off the awesome detail of those rock walls, not to hide loading screens.
Be good to get on a giant techno pterodactyl for fast travel. You could fly or combat how you like, but could only land in certain areas, or you could get knocked off of course!
@Octane true but lucky the PS4 has the GLIDE chip…
I hope there's flying machine that we can call anywhere in the game, and also maybe some sort castle in the sky, it will be really cool I think
@Kidfried If people lost income because covid maybe don't buy games? Like seriously don't just buy full $60 games if you're short on cash, just subs to psplus ($30/year) and play the free games.
I don't understand this "there's some people than can't have something so everyone shouldn't have it too" mindset.
@get2sammyb I completely forgot about gta5, that game is really amazing that it can have flying plane on ps3 hardware. While there's something that the ps4 can't do in horizon 2, I think maybe flying machine isn't one of them.
@Octane @AdamNovice 😂
The ps2 could handle different types of flying in the same open world (san andreas), so i'm sure the ps4 can handle a solarwing (?) flapping about.
@munstre if you look at the history of gaming at large, the console that won the generation (usually by having the best games everyone wanted to play) was very often not the most powerful. At the end of the day good game design and innovative game design doesn't necessarily need amazing hardware, yeah the PS5 will unlock some new possibilites (And we already had 2 ps5 exclusives in 2021) and I can't wait for that but the transitional period between the ps5 and the ps4 is nothing unusual. The PS4 really got the ball rolling in 2015-2016, the ps3 was even more of a mess. We haven't even seen much of Horizon, we haven't seen any comparison to PS4 footage, we don't know what's in or isn't in the game apart for that short gameplay reveal. Let's just calm down for now.
Can it be done? My chocobo flies in FF XIV with no issues 🤷♂️
Flying mounts might be in the game. They might not be. It won't be a deal breaker either way. That gameplay slice they showed the other night looked fantastic.
People are building this mounts thing up in their own minds now and will completely disappoint themselves if it doesn't happen, and then direct that disappointment at Sony. It's getting so predictable now.
I Hope Aloy Can Fly 😍
All these talks about flying mounts is ridiculous lol. I would rather use a fast travel point than use a flying mount to go from point A to B because it eventually gets tiring and time consuming. It is better to ask Guerrilla Games to create a better and polished combat mechanic than flying mounts.
@Kidfried it’s like people don’t have brains anymore. Only thinking about themselves. Complaining about literally everything because it doesn’t suit them. This is a good move for gamers, why are people so mad? Everyone just wants to be elite.
As if GTAV on PS3 didn't have flying and undersea exploration, some people are just ridiculous with the holding back bs.
A strange response by the director. He acknowledges he’s aware that fans have requested it, so you’d think if there were no flying mounts he would just outright say it to avoid getting people’s hopes up.
This noncommittal response has me more optimistic they are saving it as a surprise.
@Turismo4GT Probably has to do with how much detail is on screen, and how fast you can go. Flying tends to be faster, so the game needs to load things faster, and you need a bigger draw distance if you're higher up. Games that already have a flying mechanic are built around this, and probably have less detail in general to accommodate for this.
From flying PS4s to not having fly chips I like this comment thread 🤣
@Octane Xenoblade Chonicles X does this in a highly detailed open world (larger and more varied than Horizon’s) and on a WiiU. You’re probably right that these decisions have to be made very early on in development to do well.
GTA V on PS3 yes 3 had airplanes that could be flown. It is a good thing they made it before the PS5 came out or it would have been impossible.
@Richnj it’s not about justifying the PS5 purchase. It’s simply that the PS4 is at this point holding gaming back.
To make a cross platform game you need to develop for the weakest platform and upscale otherwise you end up with cyberpunk 2077.
If you’re developing for the PS4 then PS5 is essentially just getting the port plus whatever features they add. But any cherries you put on top of the ice cream doesn’t stop the ice cream from being cheap and tasteless. It won’t truly be next gen unless it’s designed for next gen.
Theres no real reason to do this besides profit. The PS4 was never technically that great of a console and struggles with these games now. It has a huge library of games you can play on it if you want to stick with it. It had a great life but it’s time to move forward into the next generation of gaming.
@Turismo4GT you’re missing the point that we get all a worse game so that you can play it now. Not just from graphics or haptic feedback, but the whole game design has to be catered around a 10 year plus system rather than a brand new one.
You could just wait to get a PS5 when you’re ready and play it then. It wouldn’t go anywhere. And it might actually inspire more people to get a PS5 if it was an exclusive.
It’s not about elitism. It’s about PS4 holding gaming back at this point, it can’t really go beyond what it has already reached. And there’s a great library of games on there to choose from, more than you can ever play. You don’t need this particular one.
@Justin113 Cyberpunk was a management issue. It started development before the PS4 even released, yet somehow targeted the PS5 and was scaled back to the PS4?
That's just not how games development works. They built the game on PCs, as all games are made, then ported a version to the consoles they were releasing on. Unfortunately for everyone, they obviously took to porting the 8th gen last less ideal approach, and didn't thoroughly test the game and was forced to release an unfinished version.
It wasn't the 8th gen that held back Cyberpunk, it was straight up poor management.
"there's no real reason to do this besides profit"
I mean, I could say that about everything they do. They are a for profit business after all. Or I could go the other way and say they wanted to make sure more people had the chance to play their game since the PS5 is facing shortages and the PS4 install base is like 10-11 times the size.
"But any cherries you put on top of the ice cream doesn’t stop the ice cream from being cheap and tasteless."
Implying that anything not made for a PS5 is cheap and tasteless is one hellva take.
All those masterpieces are no longer masterpieces because of a lack of flying mounts in their games.
@Kidfried
By your logic, we should demand Sony to make all these new games for PS3 too because there are some people that don't have money to buy a ps4/ps5 so they will miss these games.
@Ah-Void Techinically, Sony could still do this if they wanted to. But they are taking into account the amount of userbase where they could sell the most copies of their game. The budget for HFW and GoW Ragnarok is probably double or triple than RC Rift Apart and Returnal, and if Guerrilla Games and Santa Monica Studios waited for the PS5 devkit before they developed HFW and GoW Ragnarok, then we wouldn't expect these games to be released this year or on 2022 and the PS5 will be dry af - "no exclusives for years".
Anyway, the more people who can play these games the better. PS5 owners can enjoy a better experience, so I don't really know what's the crying about. Sony would gradually abandon the PS4 just like every other console generation that comes before it.
@Spiders XCX looks like an open world Wii game, so that explains it. I never got the praise, I don't think it looks all that great IMO...
@Kidfried
My reaction was never like "Oh no, PS4 players are going to play GOW too". The only reason that I am sad is that I have to wait till around 2029 to play a true next-gen GOW game. It would be much better if they delayed the game till 2023 so that more people buy PS5 and we all experience the true next gen GOW earlier. One of my biggest problems with GOW4 was the level design (too many fake paths or doors) and the new one will most definitely have the same problem.
@Kidfried I'm not happy with this cross-gen stuff, the reason sony still make ps4 games isn't because they're so generous they want ps4 gamers to play it too, but they're more greedy now compared to before.
$500 is not a cheap price for me, so it's disappointing that sony still doesn't make games that using the full capacity of the console, with the only exception is ratchet ps5.
@wiiware $500 for the guarantee you'll be able to play all the big releases until some time after the PS6 comes out? Seems like a pretty good deal compared to PC, regardless of all the other bells and whistles.
@theheadofabroom I rarely play on pc (lately only play valheim) so I'm not comparing it with pc price, console always have the best value for hardware. I'm comparing to not buying it and play on ps4 instead.
Of course since ps5 is hard to get at msrp price (ps5 official availability basically near 0 in my country after launch), I'm glad I have it unlike ps4 back then when I can wait for good exclusive games before buying it (infamous second son).
I understand horizon 2 cross-gen, I don't like gow 2 cross-gen, and gran turismo 7 cross-gen is insulting to the hardcore gt7 fan that promised the game will be using ps5 power unshackled from 7 year hardware.
@wiiware Like it or not, the PS5 isn't competing with the PS4. That'll be phased out soon enough, especially with the discontinuation of the Pro console. There will be games coming out which won't play on the PS4 and your choice is PS5, XBox Series Whatever, or PC. I'm not talking about exclusives here because if you need to play them, you're buying a PlayStation anyway.
I've only booted my gaming PC twice since the PS5 landed, and part of that is that it's getting outdated, and only plays things at a PS4 Pro settings level, while part of it is the superior controller and exclusive games. For me it was literally a decision to buy a PS5 instead of spending more money on upgrading my existing rig to the latest specs.
If the value proposition isn't there for you, maybe you shouldn't have bought one, there are plenty of other people who want them. If the value proposition is there, what are you complaining about?
That was getting a bit long, so this is a separate post. My point was that if you spent the same money on a brand new rig, it wouldn't be able to play many of the latest releases at 4k30 or 1440p60. If you have an aging rig to upgrade you might be able to hit that, but you'll be needing to spend money on it again in two-three years time to keep up with the latest games, and if you want 4k60 or more, you're going to be sitting even more money.
Even if it costs $700 where you are, it's still a bargain for what you get. You just have to decide whether you want it.
@Octane It’s running at 720p if that’s what you mean, but it still beats many PS4 titles in terms of detail, scope, variety, and insanely layered vertical exploration - and that all before you get a mech and FLY. A lazy 1080p port and this game would smoke many PS4 open worlds - just look at a CEMU emulation running. Please let’s not pretend PS4 is holding back something like flying mounts. It’s obviously a design choice and not a technical limitation of last-gen hardware.
@theheadofabroom Ps5 has full BC with ps4 so it's no brainer to preorder one and sold my ps4 pro, I just don't like ps5 now has become ps4 pro 2 rather than ps5. Oh well, at least there's ratchet ps5 soon.
@Richnj you’re just advocating for worse games here. Not sure why.
PS4 isn’t that bad a console so it’s fine to make the new games for it seems to be your point.
So let’s just stop making new consoles altogether and just stay at PS4 forever??
I don’t get it. Better technology is available, they should be using it to its full capacity.
@Justin113 No. I'm advocating for people to disconnect the newness or high tech-Ness of a product from the quality of said product.
A lot of the best rated and best selling games of the last year are available on the 8th gen or Switch. Their lack of exclusiveness to a 9th gen high end system has not held them back.
We can continue to release ever better tech, and slowly drop older tech as it becomes obsolete, but it's disingenuous to suggest that this process needs to happen in the first year or that older tech is making games worse.
@Richnj it’s simply Sony delaying progress for money. It was made very clear when marketing the PS5 that GoT and TLOU2 were the last big Sony games for that console generation and they made statements about believing in generations but PS4 users cried.
Now we have to accept that all new games need to run well on decades old hardware which wasn’t actually that great to begin with and is already pushed to its limits on every AAA title and can’t run things such as Cyberpunk. Of course games are worse for having to accomodate that. PS4 ran its course years ago.
I personally hope last gen just gets terrible ports, but I think it’s obvious that PS5 is just getting upscaled PS4 games at this point. No need for it, the PS4 library is massive and PS5 needs games to sell systems. People should upgrade or wait to play it.
And You’re basically saying PS5 games shouldn’t come out until over halfway through its life cycle. Which is ridiculous.
@Justin113 You keep telling me what I'm saying, instead of actually listening to what I'm saying. You're also constantly repeating the same things over and over, even though I've addressed them and don't care.
"I personally hope last gen just gets terrible ports"
The amount of spite in you is disgusting. It's not all about you. I personally hope you absolutely hate all PS5 games, while everyone else on both PS5 and PS4 are having a great time.
I agree with the poster which called out PS5 owners for thinking games should be exclusive to the new format. I got my PS5 in January along with a new display to enable 120 fps in future titles. I've spent a small fortune because it's my lone hobby, and I've been a gamer for 35 years. I'm grateful to have the setup I do, and don't think it entitles me above anyone else either.
Owning a PS5 shouldn't be making people feel entitled, or getting the attitude that last generation owners should receive less. PS4 owners should gave a chance to play these new exclusive, and third party games as well. Plenty of folks spent $300-$400 on a slim or pro in the past few years, and don't deserve to be denied new content after that investment. It was Hulst or Ryan one that said abandoning 115 million gamers is not good business. I whole heartedly agree with that statement. Eventually the games will become advanced to a point where it's no longer realistic to put them on PS4. However that time is definitely NOT right now.
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