@Bentleyma exactly!! Now you get it. The game HAD NO DEMAND as a game. The entrepreneurs are changing the dynamic by creating a new reason to want the product, its potential future value. In fact they are appealing to people's greed by persuading them that in years to come the game will increase in value due to its scarcity and infamy!!! And they're probably right! Go and buy one now!! 😆😆
@bindiana that's exactly what I am saying. And that's why it's not scalping. The game has not been denied to gamers by scalpers because gamers don't want to buy the game in the first place.
The 'scalpers' are selling the game now in a completely different market which was not the intended market for the product, and that is entrepreneurial.
They've seen a way that the product can be seen to have value, as a functionless collector's item, and are CREATING a new demand for it. 101 economic enterprise. Very smart.
@Bentleyma honestly, I can't facepalm myself enough over how you can't grasp simple economics.
"Hey everyone!! I own a game you didn't want! A game that's so unpopular it's made history! A game that's lost the publisher hundreds of millions of dollars.
I could get money back but I'm selling it to.......ummm I don't know, nobody wants it. I'm not denying anyone access to the product to bottleneck the market in my favour, because nobody want it.
So I'm going to take a risk. What I'll do is create a subjective reason why you may want it that has nothing to do with the original objective reason for its existence, in an attempt to encourage you into buying it from me for profit."
Sounds like a smart move. Appealing to a new market. Wish I thought of it. The game is going to be immortalised just like ET from Atari.
Go and look at how much a sealed copy of ET from ATARI is on eBay and tell me what these 'scalpers' are doing isn't a brilliant risk to take. In fact, they are mad to sell their copies! They should make sure its as scarse as possible!! Don't sell them. Keep them for 30 years and sell one of them alone for a fortune!!!!!!!!!
@Bentleyma it's not in demand. You even say you don't think it's in demand. Sony is DISCONTINUING(!) the game in its entirety after a week of sales such is the lack of DEMAND! Sony is issuing REFUNDS. The game sold so poorly that Sony has made history pulling it from the shelves.
By your and my definition scalpers take advantage of existing demand. THERE IS NO DEMAND. The people buying a game to resell that has NO demand is trying to CREATE a demand for a product no one wants by appealing to it become infamous due to it being the most expensive failure in the history of gaming. That is entrepreneurial and risk-taking.
If they can CREATE DEMAND where there is none then that is them taking a risk and they stand to lose their investment.
How is this so hard to understand for people? I genuinely can't get my head around how people can't see the difference. It's so basic.
@djlard who are they scalping? How is this scalping? This game is NOT in demand. The game disks are being pulled from sale. They are showing initiative and entrepreneurship by trying to drum up business for a product that is NOT wanted by appealing to it becoming a collector's item in the future due to its infamy and impending scarcity now the publisher is discontinuing it.
Who exactly are they scalping when the product is not in demand in the first place? This isn't a PS5 during its launch when demand far outweighed supply and SCALPERS bought multiple PS5, denying regular customers the opportinity because a significant proportion of the stock was captured, and then put back on sale at a hugely inflated price to take advantage of the massive DEMAND that existed before, during and after the scalpers got involved.
In fact, they are taking a risk that they will lose money. They are buying up games, a game that is one of the most unwanted failures of all time and trying to create a demand for it. This is entrepreneurship in a nutshell. AND they are doing Sony a favour buying the game when no one else is! And they won't be asking for a refund!!
Please explain to me why I am wrong. I am willing to change my mind if you can convince me they are scalping, and I will acknowledge I'm wrong.
He says he's a little disappointed, but not in a way that shows contrition or regret for the game not BEING as good as it could be. He's dissapointed that the criticism exists.
'I'm a little disappointed with the Metacritic; Of course, recognition from press and critics is very important to us, but players are really connecting with what we did'
It's like saying, 'I'm sorry you feel that way'. It's insincere and does not reflect introspection about the game but externalises the problem as being with the critics.
He further reinforces his position by appealing to emotion, that the developers' feelings towards their job in some way serves to demonstrate that in of itself how they feel is proof enough that the product must be good.
'....a level of pride, happiness, and a sense of accomplishment" for the work that went into the game. It took roughly four years to make, during which time they "literally reached for the stars'
Literally reached for the stars. Idiot. Of course they didn't literally do that. What, they reached up with their hands to the sky throughout development?!
It's in the Codex of AC2 that Altair invented the double bladed weapon upgrading it from single blade. Seriously, do you do any research before you publish stuff or just copy and paste from other websites? 😆😊
Codex 19
“I have refined the blade so that it can be used without the sacrifice of a finger, and have also designed a second blade. Together, they allow for greater flexibility in combat.”
@Khayl Why are you classing these people as scalpers? They are not buying highly sought after products that are in short supply, to sell at hugely inflated prices.
You should apologise for the insult and the inference that what they are doing is immoral. It's borderline libellous.
It broke the sales record held by CoD for 14 years?! 😮 Imagine parts of the media being so biased in a professional capacity to boycott a game that popular with gamers.
I've yet to play it because what I've heard anecdotally is that it's a bit heavy with filler missions and needs more focus, but I'm sure a sequel would learn from that and trim the fat.
Out of interest, did it have any microtransactions or anything like that? Is there any indication WB could be tempted to make monetise it further, like how Dead Space (I know the game is from EA) became more about the store with each passing sequel?
@Gremio108 you're probably right. He makes so many errors in his articles I don't think he bothers proofreading, from what I can tell. Or respond to feedback.
@ShogunRok right, thanks. Not sure if that'll keep my interest. It's not like Monster Hunter then, where I'm trying to optimise gear to beat all the challenges. I'll be able to beat everything long before I've got the best gear. Shame.
How long is the game and is the end game just to unlock more gear, or what? Is there an actual end, or is it a case of creating a host of different builds?
@HotGoomba that fair. However, the recent sackings, cost cutting and stock price drops suggest Disney has had more failures than successes in the last few years, so overall they have gone backwards.
This ain't just another game, it's a thunderous charge into the heart of darkness where you'll rain holy vengeance on the enemies of Mankind. You're not just playing a game, you're donning the armour of a Space Marine, the Emperor's finest, and delivering righteous fury! FOR THE EMPEROR!
@Stickleman please elucidate. I don't understand the point you are making and how you've reached such a conclusion about most people here based on what's been said here or in the article. I'd like to understand your point of view.
@Fiendish-Beaver the quotes I posted are from GS to various game websites, but yes it's indirect. So, my apologies. I thought it was direct, I misread the articles. I'll make that clear in my reply to you so as to not mislead.
@Americansamurai1 Vampire Survivors was held back from PS5 because the developers found it difficult to get the game running on the Sony Walkman TPS-L2
Edit: the following is not direct from GS, apologies, I misread the articles. I won't delete it to hide my error.
Game Science has been straight with us...
"The game is reportedly suffering from a bug known as 'Memory Leak,' which can cause significant crashes that could compromise the performance of your Xbox console. Due to this issue, the game has not passed Xbox's bug detection tests and has therefore been indefinitely delayed until they manage to optimize the game for Series X|S"
Another report GS explains, "Black Myth: Wukong has already failed Xbox certification twice, primarily due to a memory leak problem. The memory leak causes substantial crashes that not only compromise the game’s performance but potentially affect the Xbox consoles themselves"
@mazzel are you one of the infinite monkeys forced into labour to prove the hypothesis that with infinite time you'll write all the works of Shakespeare?
"I've heard good things about Jade Raymond's game. Is it Fairgame$? I've heard good things about that. So there's a few, I know people who are a bit skeptical about the trailer, but I've heard internal chatter is very positive about it."
I read that quote and it sounded familiar...and then I understood why when I reread it in Trump's voice. Sounds like his style of delivery.
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Re: Concord PS5, PC Scalpers Attempt to Cash In on 'Rare Collector's Item'
@bindiana 🤦 please....I've explained it enough times. I can't do any more 👍
Re: Concord PS5, PC Scalpers Attempt to Cash In on 'Rare Collector's Item'
@Bentleyma maybe he'll pay me to take it. It's a crap game 😆👍
Re: Concord PS5, PC Scalpers Attempt to Cash In on 'Rare Collector's Item'
@Zemo55 really? I'm buying one, no joke. In 30 years time it'll be worth much more. Trouble is I'll probably be dead 😪😊
Damn! Just checked all the sites. Not for sale anywhere
Re: Concord PS5, PC Scalpers Attempt to Cash In on 'Rare Collector's Item'
@Dampsponge scalper!! I'll take it! 😆😆👍
Re: Concord PS5, PC Scalpers Attempt to Cash In on 'Rare Collector's Item'
@Barryburton97 it's the kind of entrepreneurship that used to be lauded as savvy. Take a product nobody wants and make it appealing to a new market.
Scalping does the opposite. Scalping take a product in high demand and holds it to ransom to take advantage of people's desperation to own it.
Re: Concord PS5, PC Scalpers Attempt to Cash In on 'Rare Collector's Item'
@Bentleyma exactly!! Now you get it. The game HAD NO DEMAND as a game. The entrepreneurs are changing the dynamic by creating a new reason to want the product, its potential future value. In fact they are appealing to people's greed by persuading them that in years to come the game will increase in value due to its scarcity and infamy!!! And they're probably right! Go and buy one now!! 😆😆
Re: Concord PS5, PC Scalpers Attempt to Cash In on 'Rare Collector's Item'
@bindiana that's exactly what I am saying. And that's why it's not scalping. The game has not been denied to gamers by scalpers because gamers don't want to buy the game in the first place.
The 'scalpers' are selling the game now in a completely different market which was not the intended market for the product, and that is entrepreneurial.
They've seen a way that the product can be seen to have value, as a functionless collector's item, and are CREATING a new demand for it. 101 economic enterprise. Very smart.
Re: Concord PS5, PC Scalpers Attempt to Cash In on 'Rare Collector's Item'
@Bentleyma honestly, I can't facepalm myself enough over how you can't grasp simple economics.
"Hey everyone!! I own a game you didn't want! A game that's so unpopular it's made history! A game that's lost the publisher hundreds of millions of dollars.
I could get money back but I'm selling it to.......ummm I don't know, nobody wants it. I'm not denying anyone access to the product to bottleneck the market in my favour, because nobody want it.
So I'm going to take a risk. What I'll do is create a subjective reason why you may want it that has nothing to do with the original objective reason for its existence, in an attempt to encourage you into buying it from me for profit."
Sounds like a smart move. Appealing to a new market. Wish I thought of it. The game is going to be immortalised just like ET from Atari.
Go and look at how much a sealed copy of ET from ATARI is on eBay and tell me what these 'scalpers' are doing isn't a brilliant risk to take. In fact, they are mad to sell their copies! They should make sure its as scarse as possible!! Don't sell them. Keep them for 30 years and sell one of them alone for a fortune!!!!!!!!!
Re: Concord PS5, PC Scalpers Attempt to Cash In on 'Rare Collector's Item'
@Bentleyma it's not in demand. You even say you don't think it's in demand. Sony is DISCONTINUING(!) the game in its entirety after a week of sales such is the lack of DEMAND! Sony is issuing REFUNDS. The game sold so poorly that Sony has made history pulling it from the shelves.
By your and my definition scalpers take advantage of existing demand. THERE IS NO DEMAND. The people buying a game to resell that has NO demand is trying to CREATE a demand for a product no one wants by appealing to it become infamous due to it being the most expensive failure in the history of gaming. That is entrepreneurial and risk-taking.
If they can CREATE DEMAND where there is none then that is them taking a risk and they stand to lose their investment.
How is this so hard to understand for people? I genuinely can't get my head around how people can't see the difference. It's so basic.
Re: Star Wars Outlaws Director a 'Little Disappointed' with Critical Reception
@PsBoxSwitchOwner good point. Buyer's Remorse is a powerful reaction.
Re: Concord PS5, PC Scalpers Attempt to Cash In on 'Rare Collector's Item'
@djlard who are they scalping? How is this scalping? This game is NOT in demand. The game disks are being pulled from sale. They are showing initiative and entrepreneurship by trying to drum up business for a product that is NOT wanted by appealing to it becoming a collector's item in the future due to its infamy and impending scarcity now the publisher is discontinuing it.
Who exactly are they scalping when the product is not in demand in the first place? This isn't a PS5 during its launch when demand far outweighed supply and SCALPERS bought multiple PS5, denying regular customers the opportinity because a significant proportion of the stock was captured, and then put back on sale at a hugely inflated price to take advantage of the massive DEMAND that existed before, during and after the scalpers got involved.
In fact, they are taking a risk that they will lose money. They are buying up games, a game that is one of the most unwanted failures of all time and trying to create a demand for it. This is entrepreneurship in a nutshell. AND they are doing Sony a favour buying the game when no one else is! And they won't be asking for a refund!!
Please explain to me why I am wrong. I am willing to change my mind if you can convince me they are scalping, and I will acknowledge I'm wrong.
Re: Ceramite-Armoured PS5 Looks Like a Worthy Space Marine 2 Relic
I'm going to enter it now out of spite 😆
Re: Double Assassinations Will Return in Assassin's Creed Shadows After Almost a Decade
@Czar_Khastik 😆 quick! Someone invent journalism!! 😆👍
Re: Star Wars Outlaws Director a 'Little Disappointed' with Critical Reception
He says he's a little disappointed, but not in a way that shows contrition or regret for the game not BEING as good as it could be. He's dissapointed that the criticism exists.
'I'm a little disappointed with the Metacritic; Of course, recognition from press and critics is very important to us, but players are really connecting with what we did'
It's like saying, 'I'm sorry you feel that way'. It's insincere and does not reflect introspection about the game but externalises the problem as being with the critics.
He further reinforces his position by appealing to emotion, that the developers' feelings towards their job in some way serves to demonstrate that in of itself how they feel is proof enough that the product must be good.
'....a level of pride, happiness, and a sense of accomplishment" for the work that went into the game. It took roughly four years to make, during which time they "literally reached for the stars'
Literally reached for the stars. Idiot. Of course they didn't literally do that. What, they reached up with their hands to the sky throughout development?!
Re: Double Assassinations Will Return in Assassin's Creed Shadows After Almost a Decade
It's in the Codex of AC2 that Altair invented the double bladed weapon upgrading it from single blade. Seriously, do you do any research before you publish stuff or just copy and paste from other websites? 😆😊
Codex 19
“I have refined the blade so that it can be used without the sacrifice of a finger, and have also designed a second blade. Together, they allow for greater flexibility in combat.”
Re: Concord PS5, PC Scalpers Attempt to Cash In on 'Rare Collector's Item'
@Khayl Why are you classing these people as scalpers? They are not buying highly sought after products that are in short supply, to sell at hugely inflated prices.
You should apologise for the insult and the inference that what they are doing is immoral. It's borderline libellous.
Re: Hogwarts Legacy 2 One of Publisher's 'Biggest Priorities' for the Future
@Rob_230 oh, that is surprising. Well, I'm hopeful then that WB will take that into account and continue in the same manner.
Do you know how to put words into italics or bold on here? I really wanted to emphasis 'is' but I don't know how.
Re: Minecraft's Weird Live Action Movie Is Going to Be Massive, Isn't It?
@Loamy Jack Black is like a bad parody of Jack Black
Re: Hogwarts Legacy 2 One of Publisher's 'Biggest Priorities' for the Future
It broke the sales record held by CoD for 14 years?! 😮 Imagine parts of the media being so biased in a professional capacity to boycott a game that popular with gamers.
I've yet to play it because what I've heard anecdotally is that it's a bit heavy with filler missions and needs more focus, but I'm sure a sequel would learn from that and trim the fat.
Out of interest, did it have any microtransactions or anything like that? Is there any indication WB could be tempted to make monetise it further, like how Dead Space (I know the game is from EA) became more about the store with each passing sequel?
Re: Players Take the Easy Way Out in Pursuit of Concord's Coveted Platinum PS5 Trophy
@Gremio108 you're probably right. He makes so many errors in his articles I don't think he bothers proofreading, from what I can tell. Or respond to feedback.
Re: Mini Review: Gundam Breaker 4 (PS5) - An Impressively Addictive Return to Form
@ShogunRok right, thanks. Not sure if that'll keep my interest. It's not like Monster Hunter then, where I'm trying to optimise gear to beat all the challenges. I'll be able to beat everything long before I've got the best gear. Shame.
Re: Mini Review: Gundam Breaker 4 (PS5) - An Impressively Addictive Return to Form
Ummm...was your post to answer questions rhetorical? 🤔 😁
Re: Mini Review: Gundam Breaker 4 (PS5) - An Impressively Addictive Return to Form
@ShogunRok is it addictive?
/joke
How long is the game and is the end game just to unlock more gear, or what? Is there an actual end, or is it a case of creating a host of different builds?
Re: Minecraft's Weird Live Action Movie Is Going to Be Massive, Isn't It?
@HotGoomba I've got some reserved for them too for abandoning Henry. Dumbest decision ever made.
Re: Why Is No One Talking About 1950s Courier Game Deliver At All Costs on PS5?
We're probably not talking about this game because no one on reddit has said anything sensational to tempt websites into reporting on it.
It's to your credit that you have. I knew nothing of this game, but now I do, so thanks. I like curious indie games like this.
Re: Internal Sony Fairgame$ PS5, PC Chatter Is Reportedly Quite Positive
@Rich33 it's true isn't it! 😆😆
Re: Minecraft's Weird Live Action Movie Is Going to Be Massive, Isn't It?
@HotGoomba that fair. However, the recent sackings, cost cutting and stock price drops suggest Disney has had more failures than successes in the last few years, so overall they have gone backwards.
Re: Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 (PS5) - Grimdark Shooter Is an Instant Co-Op Classic
@Loamy which 6 numbers did you choose for the lottery? I need to know what to avoid now you've won it.
Re: Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 (PS5) - Grimdark Shooter Is an Instant Co-Op Classic
@Loamy see you online!
Re: Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 (PS5) - Grimdark Shooter Is an Instant Co-Op Classic
@code45709 and I'll ready my placard full of racist comments!
Re: Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 (PS5) - Grimdark Shooter Is an Instant Co-Op Classic
@code45709 Bruce Willis in space it is then!
Re: Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 (PS5) - Grimdark Shooter Is an Instant Co-Op Classic
@Dodoo the aliens have loads of pronouns in this game as they are gender fluid, if that helps you make a choice
Re: Minecraft's Weird Live Action Movie Is Going to Be Massive, Isn't It?
Still better than anything Disney is doing, that isn't Deadpool.
Re: Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 (PS5) - Grimdark Shooter Is an Instant Co-Op Classic
@code45709 I too have felt the Captain of the Lower Deck stir in anticipation of the forthcoming struggle!
Re: Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 (PS5) - Grimdark Shooter Is an Instant Co-Op Classic
@ShogunRok what is Khayl's favourite food?
Re: Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 (PS5) - Grimdark Shooter Is an Instant Co-Op Classic
This ain't just another game, it's a thunderous charge into the heart of darkness where you'll rain holy vengeance on the enemies of Mankind. You're not just playing a game, you're donning the armour of a Space Marine, the Emperor's finest, and delivering righteous fury! FOR THE EMPEROR!
I think I'm buying it.
Re: Black Myth: Wukong's Xbox Delay Isn't Due to Platform Limitations, Says Microsoft
@Fiendish-Beaver we're all friends here FB 😊👍
Re: Black Myth: Wukong's Xbox Delay Isn't Due to Platform Limitations, Says Microsoft
@Stickleman please elucidate. I don't understand the point you are making and how you've reached such a conclusion about most people here based on what's been said here or in the article. I'd like to understand your point of view.
Re: Black Myth: Wukong's Xbox Delay Isn't Due to Platform Limitations, Says Microsoft
@Fiendish-Beaver the quotes I posted are from GS to various game websites, but yes it's indirect. So, my apologies. I thought it was direct, I misread the articles. I'll make that clear in my reply to you so as to not mislead.
Re: Black Myth: Wukong's Xbox Delay Isn't Due to Platform Limitations, Says Microsoft
@Americansamurai1 Vampire Survivors was held back from PS5 because the developers found it difficult to get the game running on the Sony Walkman TPS-L2
Re: Internal Sony Fairgame$ Chatter Is Reportedly Quite Positive
@Fiendish-Beaver
'Sony seems to think it may have a banger on its hands'
Maybe Sony has developed an obsession with sausages 🤔😊
Re: Black Myth: Wukong's Xbox Delay Isn't Due to Platform Limitations, Says Microsoft
@Fiendish-Beaver
Edit: the following is not direct from GS, apologies, I misread the articles. I won't delete it to hide my error.
Game Science has been straight with us...
"The game is reportedly suffering from a bug known as 'Memory Leak,' which can cause significant crashes that could compromise the performance of your Xbox console. Due to this issue, the game has not passed Xbox's bug detection tests and has therefore been indefinitely delayed until they manage to optimize the game for Series X|S"
Another report GS explains, "Black Myth: Wukong has already failed Xbox certification twice, primarily due to a memory leak problem. The memory leak causes substantial crashes that not only compromise the game’s performance but potentially affect the Xbox consoles themselves"
Re: Dragon's Dogma 2 DLC Hopes Reignited By Suspicious Steam Updates
Dragon's Dogma 2 DLC Hopes Reingnited by Websites Reporting Rumours on Reddit
Re: Black Myth: Wukong's Xbox Delay Isn't Due to Platform Limitations, Says Microsoft
@mazzel are you one of the infinite monkeys forced into labour to prove the hypothesis that with infinite time you'll write all the works of Shakespeare?
How's it going? 😊👍
Re: Jennifer Hale Says AI Is Coming for All of Us
@Northern_munkey thank you for saying so.
@mazzel I think AI suplanting a few voice actors is a byproduct of the real impact AI is going to have across all of society.
Re: Enjoy 22 Minutes of Developer-Led Dragon Age: The Veilguard Gameplay
"Metaphor: ReFantazio will be first out of the gate by a couple of weeks (11th October on PS5, PS4), leaving connoisseurs with a harrowing choice.."
Connoisseurs will buy both if the are both worthy, there's no angst to be had.
The harrowing choice is for regular, less discerning RPG fans who only have the budget for one.
Re: Reaction: PlayStation Needs to Take a Long, Hard Look at Itself
@mkr same with TLoU Factions MP, if it had to be an online MP game.
Re: Reaction: PlayStation Needs to Take a Long, Hard Look at Itself
@Deityjester it's a tactic straight out of Disney's playbook.
Re: Internal Sony Fairgame$ Chatter Is Reportedly Quite Positive
"I've heard good things about Jade Raymond's game. Is it Fairgame$? I've heard good things about that. So there's a few, I know people who are a bit skeptical about the trailer, but I've heard internal chatter is very positive about it."
I read that quote and it sounded familiar...and then I understood why when I reread it in Trump's voice. Sounds like his style of delivery.
Re: Players Take the Easy Way Out in Pursuit of Concord's Coveted Platinum Trophy
"..it seems like the game is locked in a death spiral of a new and entirely literary kind"
@Khayl In what way is what they are doing directly related to literature? I don't understand the reference.